New Iran videos show bodies piled in hospital and snipers on roofs (www.bbc.com)
from throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to world@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 22:27
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homes@piefed.world on 26 Jan 22:57 next collapse

The worst part is that Trump is trying to outdo Iran in Minneapolis.

This is the beginning of a trend, not the end. If you want it to end, stand up and fight! It’s now or never.

tyrant@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 00:07 next collapse

There are reports of 30,000 dead in Iran.

homes@piefed.world on 27 Jan 00:08 next collapse

Yeah… Stay strong!

DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com on 27 Jan 03:41 collapse

Are there reports of how many Jews Israel killed with the Hannibal Directive on Oct 7th?

BassTurd@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 02:07 collapse

30k+ deaths vs 2. Trump is a tyrannical asshole, but equating the two is dumb AF.

HalfAFrisbee@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 02:38 next collapse

Trump isn’t constraining himself and if he could get away with 30k dead, he would.

BassTurd@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 03:28 collapse

You might be right, but there truly is no real comparison between the two. As bad as shit is here, these are wildly different magnitudes of difference in the situations.

arrow74@lemmy.zip on 27 Jan 03:34 next collapse

I’m not saying it’s comparable to 30,000 , but more than 2 people have been killed by ICE. 2 have had very good videos published but ICE has verifiably killed at least 7, allegedly more.

Not relevant when comparing to 30k people in Iran, but I like my numbers a bit more accurate

Zahtu@feddit.org on 27 Jan 12:47 collapse

yeah no. every live is precious and every person killed because of their political views or in shielding and protecting other lives is one too many.

BassTurd@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 14:36 collapse

I agree. But the original post I responded to has the tone that what’s happening in Minnesota is just as bad as in Iran. Every life lost like you mentioned is bad, so 30k deaths is significantly worse than 2. It said Trump is trying to out do Iran. The two situations aren’t the same other than they are political protests. One is mass slaughter, the other is two political murders. I’m not saying it won’t get worse, but it’s not the same.

AltMediaGuy@altmedia.house on 26 Jan 23:25 next collapse

They are manufacturing consent for war

altmedia.house/post/183856

TheTechnician27@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 02:21 collapse

More established Human Rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have refrained from reporting total death counts amid the uncertainty caused by the internet blackout.

That’s fine, but they have been abundantly clear that there are ongoing country-wide massacres. HRW ten days ago, for example:

In the capital, Tehran, videos show a heavily militarized response to the protests as they grew. Human Rights Watch verified videos that began to circulate on January 11 of body bags and bodies piled up in and around the Forensic Diagnostic and Laboratory Center in Kahrizak, south of the capital. The bodies were placed there for families to identify their loved ones. Human Rights Watch counted at least 400 bodies visible in several videos from that site alone. This number is an undercount, as bodies were piled on top of each other, making counting difficult.

Witnesses also said that many bodies were at Tehran’s Behesht-e Zahra Cemetery Complex, 600 meters from the Kahrizak morgue. One person who went to identify the body of a loved one on January 10 said: “When we got close to the [large] halls, we saw bodies piled on top of bodies. They were in body bags, and some had tags with identification details. From the size of the halls, I could estimate that between 1,500 to 2,000 bodies were held there.” The witness said that more bodies were arriving by refrigerated trucks in the late afternoon when they were leaving the cemetery.

I think based on what you wrote that you do actually care about Iran’s civilians and denounce their massacre by Khamenei’s regime but don’t want fascists to use it as a pretext for invasion, so I assume you can, in good faith, acknowledge that this BBC News article isn’t just “manufacturing consent” and that civilians really are being murdered by the thousands by an authoritarian, theocratic regime.

AltMediaGuy@altmedia.house on 27 Jan 08:51 collapse

The Islamic Republic is under clandestine assault by the US and Israel with the help of heavily armed Kurdish infiltrators. I do not “denounce their massacre by Khamenei’s regime” because it’s unclear who is massacring and who is being massacred, and to what scale these massacres are occurring. If innocent civilians are dying it is accidental. And these accidents are occuring because the Islamic Republic is under extreme pressure from these armed infiltrators and not because of something systematically wrong with its system of government, which allows for democratic vote under clerical supervision. The United States has a similar system with democratic vote under the supervision of AIPAC.

The Islamic Republic is not against protesting. The Ayatollah recognized the initial protests as legitimate—they were in response to real economic crisis caused by US sanctions. If the US cared about Iranians, it could ease the sanctions. The problem is when these protests are co-opted by infiltrating groups with weapons.

The BBC article cites the HRANA, the NGO I mentioned in my article which is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy. Yes, they are manufacturing consent.

stickly@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 13:45 next collapse

I do not “denounce their massacre by Khamenei’s regime” because it’s unclear who is massacring and who is being massacred, and to what scale these massacres are occurring. If innocent civilians are dying it is accidental.

Lol. Lmao even. My favorite tankie argument.

Goverment unilaterally disrupts all outgoing media that would give us any visibility but that paper thin deniability means we can ignore the situation. You think if the regime had hard proof of a force big enough and well equipped enough to slaughter thousands of people they wouldn’t be shouting it from the rooftops?

“Well the wife was screaming for help and then the husband closed the curtains and then the woman screamed louder and blood started seeping under the door. No clue what happened. Maybe she was trying to kill him?”

Nothing happened. And if something did happen it was an accident. And if it wasn’t an accident then someone else made me do it. And if someone else didn’t make me do it then they deserved it anyway.

🤡🤡🤡

AltMediaGuy@altmedia.house on 27 Jan 13:52 collapse

except there’s a whole foreign element smuggling starlink terminals, weapons, and explosives in - a whole other man, with a knife, in your stupid analogy. Bullshit.

stickly@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 13:58 collapse

Me waiting for actual evidence of that: 💀

What kind of a broken ass government wouldn’t be aware of enough resources flooding into their country to arm a full scale nation wide revolt. Are you kidding me?? They must be as blind as you 🧑‍🦯

AltMediaGuy@altmedia.house on 27 Jan 14:01 collapse

From my article linked above in the thread that you didn’t read altmedia.house/post/183856

The US, Israel, and the West are involved in a large scale clandestine assault against Iran. Former CIA director Mike Pompeo claimed that there were Mossad agents “walking besides” the protestors. Iranian assets of these foreign forces were caught smuggling guns, ammunition, explosives, and Starlink devices into Iran. US-aligned Kurdish separatists admitted to activating and targeting Iranian security forces during the protests. The output of “Human Rights Activists in Iran” and “International Center for Human Rights” seems in alignment with the forceful clandestine targeting of Iran and not like objective human rights work.

stickly@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 14:20 collapse

Lmfao “200 kg of explosives”. I guess those terrorists were planning on toppling the government by distributing the equivalent explosive payload of a large firework to each city.

“We heard voice recordings from abroad giving instructions” Well then I guess you have nothing to worry about because these terrorists are stupid enough to communicate over a clear channel. Wtf is this, WWII? And you still let them massacre your civilians when you have that level of intel? 😂

And a bunch of starlink devices? Seems pretty goddamn benign when you consider the government keeps cutting the internet. Hell I wish they had more of those so we would have a clear answer on what is happening on the ground, don’t you???

Give up dude, your precious gender-apartheid government is clearly so strong that they don’t need you to white knight for them. Go take your critical support and simp for some other autocratic religious fanatics. 🤡

AltMediaGuy@altmedia.house on 27 Jan 15:22 collapse

hey man, I’m just trying to help you see through obvious fabricated propaganda coming from CIA fronts like the NED. But if you love the slop this much, by all means continue consuming it.

edible_funk@sh.itjust.works on 27 Jan 14:53 collapse

Well that’s the first Iranian agitprop bot I’ve seen here.

DrFistington@lemmy.world on 27 Jan 01:38 next collapse

Send Iranian rebels arms, and our armed forces to DC to liquidate several Russian assets

ryannathans@aussie.zone on 27 Jan 01:38 collapse

There are also Israelis on social media going nuts about their photos being used in the press and on TV where it’s falsely claimed they were executed by Iran after the protests