It’s a common stereotype (I can confirm anecdotally) that whenever a woman goes to the doctor for any reason, the doctor will do one or more of the following:
ask when their last period was, regardless of the presenting issues
tell them to lose weight
order a pap smear
dismiss their distress as insignificant due to period/hysteria/any-BMI-higher-than-a-supermodel/just being a woman.
This happens a lot. I don’t know the stats but it’s happened enough times to women I know to actually cause them to avoid medical treatment.
I do believe 1. Is because everything changes as soon as a woman is pregnant and they have to stop doing any treatments that haven’t been tested on pregnant women for liability issues. Doesn’t really justify the others though.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
on 12 May 06:49
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ive heard it alot, especially if you are a poc, or black women they more than likely will go harder on those stereotypes.
No, I mean, I know that, but I was thinking they were referencing a specific case or something, because that sounded very extreme.
I was under the impression that high BMI was often used to dismiss health concerns regardless of gender, though; and that hysteria was soooo last century, but I guess not :C
According to a review I read, Scandinavian countries are better at this. Perchance we all move to Sweden.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
on 11 May 21:47
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If you’d actually read the article instead of jumping straight from the headline to the funny quip you thought of:
Why? Because what she was telling [them] was [that she had] an episode of coughing some days ago that had disappeared, and what she was having at that moment was kind of like stress or anxiety or nervousness. So it was not catalogued [as hantavirus],” [Spanish health minister] Padilla said.
This doesn’t sound like a discrimination thing; she literally described a cough that went away days ago and an anxiety she was feeling.
So out of curiosity because I shit on MAGA for this all the time. This is a special interest story trying to make us feel a certain way isn’t it? It’s not about statistics or facts. It’s about a feeling. It’s manipulative.
What is that message the author wants us to feel
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
on 12 May 06:13
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They just want you to click so they can get paid. It’s called clickbait. It isn’t a special interest story.
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world
on 11 May 21:33
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This wouldn’t’ be the first time medical misogyny was fatal.
When professional medicine was new, a doctor (male) was about three or four times more likely to kill a pregnant person or their infant than the midwife (female), who knew about washing her hands. The AMA was a pioneer in early American anti-abortion activism. Not for moral objection, just to discredit midwives and clever-women who dominated reproductive care at that time.
The article does not mention sex or medical actions based on the sex of the doctors and the patients.
This seems like something a sexist would just conclude to. You want it to be something bad for the sex you hate, but realistically, there is nothing at all weighing behind where your mind went.
StillAlive@piefed.world
on 12 May 01:15
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Oh god shut the fuck up. Did you see the word ‘misogyny’ and got triggered?
No. I saw someone being inventive with a new narrative that contradicts the actual narrative. I don’t care if the social agenda is gender-based, raising classes of ethnicity, or if they just started being all pro-MAGA; the behaviour is still the same, regardless of the diversity of values in their agenda. It is intentionaly deceitful and the plague that has killed the Information Age.
So, I think it’s insane to call out my behaviour like that. Not even a male but got “triggered” by a single word reserved for males that lean extreme on a spectrum for males. Gaslight all you want, I’m simply incompatible with what your convenience wishes of me.
That said, your links are excellent. I encourage you to post them as actual posts where discussion and awareness can be spread proactively, avoiding any disservice toward such important things. Let’s keep our information clean and honest, knowing many people rely on comments over actually reading the content of posts.
The article does not mention sex or medical actions based on the sex of the doctors and the patients.
Fucking really?
Literally the first line of article:
A French woman who tested positive for hantavirus after she was evacuated from a cruise ship reported symptoms to doctors onboard but was told it was probably just anxiety, the Spanish health minister has said.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus
on 12 May 02:45
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the woman…had been suffering flu-like symptoms but they appeared to be getting better and she did not have a fever.
“They were not thinking that these symptoms were compatible with hantavirus. Why? Because what she was telling [them] was [that she had] an episode of coughing some days ago that had disappeared, and what she was having at that moment was kind of like stress or anxiety or nervousness. So it was not catalogued [as hantavirus],” Padilla said.
“It is not that the patient was feeling bad and she was saying: ‘OK, I’m not going to say anything because I want to be on the plane.’ It was like: ‘OK, we have measured your temperature, it was not fever, afterwards you have been on the plane, it has taken off, you have started feeling bad, we have measured your temperature and it was fever.’”
Padilla said passengers could not have been tested onboard the vessel because there were no rapid PCR tests for hantavirus available. Any testing would have involved flying samples to Madrid to a specialist lab
She had no fever, she mentioned a brief cough that was gone, and then described feelings of anxiety. There were no tests that could be done there that would be definitive, so they cleared based on other factors. She didnt present any significant symptoms until she was on the flight.
What were the specific symptoms she reported to the doctors?
If I go to the doctor and I report “I’m feeling generally nervous and a little scared”, I would expect the doctor to respond “That sounds like anxiety”.
If I report “I’m having a worsening cough, and body aches”, I’d expect “That sounds like a viral infection”.
If I were to report “I had a cough several days ago, but it has disappeared. I’m feeling generally nervous and a little scared”, should the doctor listen to what I am saying and conclude “anxiety”? Or should they focus solely on the symptom I reported in decline and conclude “virus”?
StillAlive@piefed.world
on 12 May 05:47
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Were you on a ship which had a disease outbreak and 11 cases?
That’s a very, very good point, but not the one you think it is.
Of the ~240 people aboard the vessel, 100% are experiencing symptoms of “anxiety”, while about 5% have been identified as also experiencing “Hantavirus”.
Everyone aboard is quarantined, and regularly being interviewed by medical personnel to determine if they are symptomatic. Did she initially report virus symptoms along with the anxiety affecting everyone? Or did the virus symptoms appear later?
“Ma’am, even though you have reported no symptoms indicating you have contracted the virus, we’re going to go ahead and say you have it.”
Asymptomatic. Correct. You just agreed with the doctor that she was not displaying symptoms of Hantavirus.
Like the other 95% of asymptomatic people on board, she was already under quarantine. Like all of them, she was already being treated as an asymptomatic carrier.
I agree with the medical misogyny part but the hand washing nurses part is incorrect AFAIK. They weren’t washing their hands either but the doctors were working on cadavers and so more riddled with nasty bacteria.
Women giving birth in the street had higher survival rates than either of the two hospitals in question which is fucking wild.
Half arsed history does a really great episode on it. Episode 91. Highly recommended.
Even after Semmelweis forced everyone to wash their hands and proved how life saving it was, he got enormous pushback for the notion that doctors could be killing their patients. Arrogance costing lives.
You’re being hysterical, dear. Maybe it’s that time of the month? I recommend Epsom salts and bromide. Sorry, I’ll explain again to the head of the house.
Fine. Here’s my credit card. Now can you just relax?
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world
on 12 May 06:30
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doctors from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control and the Spanish foreign health service assessed the French woman and dismissed her symptoms as anxiety or stress
Somehow, this doesn’t engender confidence in the ability of these entities to provide accurate assessments moving forward into what could potentially be a larger outbreak.
“That guy coughing up a lung look okay to you, Clef?”
“Mmm? Oh … yeah. Just a little stress, I’d imagine. Have you seen the price of petrol lately?”
insaneinthemembrane@lemmy.world
on 12 May 07:24
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Statistically likely they would treat a man more seriously though. Women are far too often dismissed with anxiety or just dismissed altogether.
In the US perhaps, over here we are proud to dismiss anyone with anxiety regardless of gender, women in particular get instead dismissed with period cramps or potential pregnancies! /s
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world
on 12 May 08:57
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“We have the best dismissal rates. I know all about dismissing women. Nobody knows more about dismissing women than me. Women come up to me all the time, tears in their eyes. ‘Mr President, you raped me when I was 13’. I just call them a bitch, and dismiss them. And when you’re famous, you can do it! Believe me. Believe me”.
(It’s so hideous some of that was based on actual events).
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Sounds familiar.
“Bloody vomit and passing out with a 43° fever? Bitch your BMI is 33 what do you expect?”
What? What are you referencing here?!?! That’s beyond medical malpractice, holy crap…
It’s a common stereotype (I can confirm anecdotally) that whenever a woman goes to the doctor for any reason, the doctor will do one or more of the following:
This happens a lot. I don’t know the stats but it’s happened enough times to women I know to actually cause them to avoid medical treatment.
I do believe 1. Is because everything changes as soon as a woman is pregnant and they have to stop doing any treatments that haven’t been tested on pregnant women for liability issues. Doesn’t really justify the others though.
ive heard it alot, especially if you are a poc, or black women they more than likely will go harder on those stereotypes.
No, I mean, I know that, but I was thinking they were referencing a specific case or something, because that sounded very extreme.
I was under the impression that high BMI was often used to dismiss health concerns regardless of gender, though; and that hysteria was soooo last century, but I guess not :C
According to a review I read, Scandinavian countries are better at this. Perchance we all move to Sweden.
If you’d actually read the article instead of jumping straight from the headline to the funny quip you thought of:
This doesn’t sound like a discrimination thing; she literally described a cough that went away days ago and an anxiety she was feeling.
So out of curiosity because I shit on MAGA for this all the time. This is a special interest story trying to make us feel a certain way isn’t it? It’s not about statistics or facts. It’s about a feeling. It’s manipulative.
What is that message the author wants us to feel
They just want you to click so they can get paid. It’s called clickbait. It isn’t a special interest story.
I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!
Well, not that shocked
This wouldn’t’ be the first time medical misogyny was fatal.
When professional medicine was new, a doctor (male) was about three or four times more likely to kill a pregnant person or their infant than the midwife (female), who knew about washing her hands. The AMA was a pioneer in early American anti-abortion activism. Not for moral objection, just to discredit midwives and clever-women who dominated reproductive care at that time.
Source?
The article does not mention sex or medical actions based on the sex of the doctors and the patients.
This seems like something a sexist would just conclude to. You want it to be something bad for the sex you hate, but realistically, there is nothing at all weighing behind where your mind went.
Oh god shut the fuck up. Did you see the word ‘misogyny’ and got triggered?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c23v42jdle7o
https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/how-gender-bias-medicine-has-shaped-womens-health
https://jaapl.org/content/52/4/398
No. I saw someone being inventive with a new narrative that contradicts the actual narrative. I don’t care if the social agenda is gender-based, raising classes of ethnicity, or if they just started being all pro-MAGA; the behaviour is still the same, regardless of the diversity of values in their agenda. It is intentionaly deceitful and the plague that has killed the Information Age.
So, I think it’s insane to call out my behaviour like that. Not even a male but got “triggered” by a single word reserved for males that lean extreme on a spectrum for males. Gaslight all you want, I’m simply incompatible with what your convenience wishes of me.
That said, your links are excellent. I encourage you to post them as actual posts where discussion and awareness can be spread proactively, avoiding any disservice toward such important things. Let’s keep our information clean and honest, knowing many people rely on comments over actually reading the content of posts.
Fucking really?
Literally the first line of article:
She had no fever, she mentioned a brief cough that was gone, and then described feelings of anxiety. There were no tests that could be done there that would be definitive, so they cleared based on other factors. She didnt present any significant symptoms until she was on the flight.
What were the specific symptoms she reported to the doctors?
If I go to the doctor and I report “I’m feeling generally nervous and a little scared”, I would expect the doctor to respond “That sounds like anxiety”.
If I report “I’m having a worsening cough, and body aches”, I’d expect “That sounds like a viral infection”.
If I were to report “I had a cough several days ago, but it has disappeared. I’m feeling generally nervous and a little scared”, should the doctor listen to what I am saying and conclude “anxiety”? Or should they focus solely on the symptom I reported in decline and conclude “virus”?
Were you on a ship which had a disease outbreak and 11 cases?
That’s a very, very good point, but not the one you think it is.
Of the ~240 people aboard the vessel, 100% are experiencing symptoms of “anxiety”, while about 5% have been identified as also experiencing “Hantavirus”.
Everyone aboard is quarantined, and regularly being interviewed by medical personnel to determine if they are symptomatic. Did she initially report virus symptoms along with the anxiety affecting everyone? Or did the virus symptoms appear later?
^ much more problematic diagnosis.
What even are asymptomatic carriers smh my head
Asymptomatic. Correct. You just agreed with the doctor that she was not displaying symptoms of Hantavirus.
Like the other 95% of asymptomatic people on board, she was already under quarantine. Like all of them, she was already being treated as an asymptomatic carrier.
Well she literally reported anxiety, and a cough a few days prior that went away, according to the article…
I agree with the medical misogyny part but the hand washing nurses part is incorrect AFAIK. They weren’t washing their hands either but the doctors were working on cadavers and so more riddled with nasty bacteria.
Women giving birth in the street had higher survival rates than either of the two hospitals in question which is fucking wild.
Half arsed history does a really great episode on it. Episode 91. Highly recommended.
Even after Semmelweis forced everyone to wash their hands and proved how life saving it was, he got enormous pushback for the notion that doctors could be killing their patients. Arrogance costing lives.
You’re being hysterical, dear. Maybe it’s that time of the month? I recommend Epsom salts and bromide. Sorry, I’ll explain again to the head of the house.
Fine. Here’s my credit card. Now can you just relax?
Somehow, this doesn’t engender confidence in the ability of these entities to provide accurate assessments moving forward into what could potentially be a larger outbreak.
“That guy coughing up a lung look okay to you, Clef?”
“Mmm? Oh … yeah. Just a little stress, I’d imagine. Have you seen the price of petrol lately?”
Statistically likely they would treat a man more seriously though. Women are far too often dismissed with anxiety or just dismissed altogether.
In the US perhaps, over here we are proud to dismiss anyone with anxiety regardless of gender, women in particular get instead dismissed with period cramps or potential pregnancies! /s
“We have the best dismissal rates. I know all about dismissing women. Nobody knows more about dismissing women than me. Women come up to me all the time, tears in their eyes. ‘Mr President, you raped me when I was 13’. I just call them a bitch, and dismiss them. And when you’re famous, you can do it! Believe me. Believe me”.
(It’s so hideous some of that was based on actual events).
This article has been removed due to being inaccurate.
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