Iraq makes same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in jail (www.theguardian.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 23:05
https://lemmy.world/post/14770121

Amendments to anti-prostitution law also enable courts to sentence trans people to three years in prison

Iraq’s parliament has passed a bill making same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in prison, in a move condemned as an “attack on human rights”.

Transgender people will also be sentenced to three years in jail under the amendments to a 1988 anti-prostitution law, which were adopted during a session attended by 170 out of 329 lawmakers on Saturday.

A previous draft had proposed capital punishment for same-sex relations, in what campaigners had called a “dangerous” escalation. The new amendments enable courts to sentence people to between 10 and 15 years in prison, according to the document seen by AFP, in a country where gay and transgender people already face frequent attacks and discrimination.

They also set a minimum seven-year prison term for “promoting” same-sex relations and a sentence ranging from one to three years for men who “intentionally” act like women.

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autotldr@lemmings.world on 27 Apr 23:10 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Iraq’s parliament has passed a bill making same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in prison, in a move condemned as an “attack on human rights”.

They also set a minimum seven-year prison term for “promoting” same-sex relations and a sentence ranging from one to three years for men who “intentionally” act like women.

The amended law makes “biological sex change based on personal desire and inclination” a crime and punishes trans people and doctors who perform gender reassignment surgery with up to three years in prison.

Lawmaker Raed al-Maliki, who advanced the amendments, told AFP that “the law serves as a preventive measure to protect society from such acts”.

He said passing the new amendment was postponed until after Iraqi prime minister Mohammed Shia’ al-Sudani’s visit to the United States earlier this month.

LGBTQ+ Iraqis have been forced into the shadows, often targeted with “kidnappings, rapes, torture and murders” that go unpunished, according to a 2022 report by Human Rights Watch and the IraQueer non-governmental organisation.


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FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 23:18 next collapse

Wow. Two stories in one day about how America brought freedom to Iraq.

fawanen@startrek.website on 27 Apr 23:38 next collapse

How is this America’s fault? If anything, this is only happening because the US can’t protect them.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 23:41 collapse

It’s America’s fault because Bush invaded to “bring freedom” to Iraq and then America stayed there for seven years and this is the result a decade later. And you think America should still be occupying Iraq? Should it be annexed as the 51st state or something?

fawanen@startrek.website on 27 Apr 23:51 next collapse

What makes you think women and queers would have better living conditions if the US didn’t invade?

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 23:56 collapse

Queers? I don’t know. Women? Because I do know.

Until the 1990s, Iraqi women played an active role in the political and economic development of Iraq.[121] In 1969, the Ba’ath Party established the General Federation of Iraqi Women, which offered many social programs to women, implementing legal reforms advancing women’s status under the law and lobbying for changes to the personal status code.[121] In 1986, Iraq became one of the first countries to ratify the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women.[121]

During the 1970s and 1980s, Saddam Hussein urged women to fill men’s places in schools, universities, hospitals, factories, the army, and the police. However, women’s employment subsequently decreased as they were encouraged to make way for returning soldiers in the late 1980s and the 1990s.[122] In general in cases of war, as Nadje Sadig Al-Ali, author of Iraqi Women: Untold Stories from 1948 to the Present, argues, "women carried the conflicting double burden of being the main motors of the state bureaucracy and the public sector, the main breadwinners and heads of households but also the mothers of ‘future soldiers.’[123]: 168  In the years following the 1991 Gulf War, many of the positive steps that had been taken to advance women’s and girls’ status in Iraqi society were reversed due to a combination of legal, economic, and political factors.[121] As the economy constricted due to sanctions, women were pushed into more traditional roles.[121] Moreover, Saddam Hussein, in an attempt to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists, brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes.[123]: 202  However, despite Saddam’s appeals to the anti-women elements of Iraqi society, according to local NGOs, they concluded that “women were treated better during the Saddam Hussein era and their rights were more respected than they are now.”[124]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Iraq

The Criminal Code of 1969, enacted by the Ba’athist party, only criminalized sexual behavior in cases of adultery, incest, rape, prostitution, public acts, or cases involving fraud or someone unable to give consent due to age or mental defect. Homosexuality per se was not a crime, but could be justification for government discrimination and harassment under laws designed to protect national security and public morality.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iraq

So I don’t know for sure if queer people’s lives would have been better, but at least they wouldn’t have been automatic criminals.

See above: re Satayana.

fawanen@startrek.website on 28 Apr 01:09 collapse

Saddam Hussein, in an attempt to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists, brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes.[123]: 202  However, despite Saddam’s appeals to the anti-women elements of Iraqi society, according to local NGOs, they concluded that “women were treated better during the Saddam Hussein era and their rights were more respected than they are now.”

It looks to me like this would’ve happened anyways, it was just a matter of time.

Did you think they were going to stop “attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists” at any point?

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 10:31 collapse

Yes, I quoted that part. It came after the part I bolded that said “In the years following the 1991 Gulf War,” which makes me think you didn’t actually read much of it.

The 1991 Gulf War was when the U.S. invaded Iraq the first time. It was, again, America’s fault.

fawanen@startrek.website on 28 Apr 13:57 collapse

1991 takes place after 1990, which is when Saddam “brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes.”

They started “attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists” before the 1991 Gulf War, yet you think the 1991 Gulf War is what caused them to "maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists”?

You also think that if it wasn’t for a war that took place after they started "attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists” that they would’ve magically stopped "attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists.”

Interesting.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 14:08 collapse

1990? You mean when America started threatening to Invade and Saddam sought the aid of the fundamentalists to stay in power, going against his own party?

Yes, I agree, Saddam was a terrible dictator.

That doesn’t change the fact that homosexuality was legal when he was in charge and illegal now.

fawanen@startrek.website on 28 Apr 14:25 collapse

That doesn’t change the fact that homosexuality was legal when he was in charge and illegal now.

I re-iterate my previous point of “it looks to me like this would’ve happened anyways, it was just a matter of time.”

“Did you think they were going to stop ‘attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists’ at any point?”

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 14:37 collapse

And I re-iterate my previous point that it wouldn’t have happened anyway if America hadn’t stuck its nose in.

Saddam didn’t reach out to the Islamists while at war with Iran. He certainly could have.

Shalakushka@kbin.social on 27 Apr 23:57 next collapse

Iraq independently passes shitty law

This is all America's fault even though they aren't there and have nothing to do with it

Surely if left to their own devices, a woman and LGBT friendly paradise would be there

America Bad even when an independent country makes its own decision somehow

You realize that by reducing all political activity in Iraq to the invasion of Iraq, you are posing the Iraqi people as puppets with no will of their own?

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 23:58 collapse

So that I don’t repeat myself, see this reply: lemmy.world/comment/9699031

Homosexuality was legal in Iraq while Saddam was in power.

Edit: re your edit-

You realize that by reducing all political activity in Iraq to the invasion of Iraq, you are posing the Iraqi people as puppets with no will of their own?

No, but I am saying their will isn’t being represented. Because it isn’t.

chathamhouse.org/…/iraqi-elections-still-do-not-d…

EdibleFriend@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 01:57 next collapse

They were a shithole before we invaded and they are still a shithole. We didn’t bomb homophobia into the country.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 10:32 next collapse

And yet, homosexuality was legal then and it’s illegal now. Seems like a big difference to me.

SulaymanF@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 17:11 collapse

Iraq was a secular country with the best healthcare in the region. The US war made electricity and water no longer available 24/7 and allowed a wave of fundamentalism in. Pretending it was broken before the war is ignorance.

DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe on 28 Apr 04:04 collapse

I’d trade Iraq for Texas. They have more oil and probably less genocidal bigots, even in light of this news.

At least you can talk Iraqis down from the death penalty.

wyre@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 23:39 collapse

Must be time to bomb them back into compliance with western values.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 23:43 next collapse

The sad thing is a significant chunk of Lemmy seems to have either forgotten America’s role in shaping Iraq into the way it is today or aren’t aware of it at all. Satayana would be shaking his head.

Crackhappy@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 23:47 next collapse

whoosh

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 23:49 collapse

Do please tell me what I’m missing. Is the person I was replying to who I was essentially agreeing with also missing the same thing?

otp@sh.itjust.works on 28 Apr 00:32 collapse

Your original reply seemed like you were talking about the comment, not agreeing with it

wyre@sh.itjust.works on 28 Apr 00:46 collapse

Just to be clear I was joking. I don’t want to bomb anyone ever.

otp@sh.itjust.works on 28 Apr 00:49 collapse

Yeah, and the other commenter got it, but the other other one thought that that other commenter thought you were serious. But the other other commenter was wrong; that other commenter knew you were joking. And so did I.

Man, this is getting confusing. But everyone understood your comment, at least! Lol

Crackhappy@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 01:01 collapse

Well I was wrong about someone else being wrong but I think you’re about who was wrong or right. Am I right?

otp@sh.itjust.works on 28 Apr 01:03 collapse

No, I think we’re both wrong to the right.

Crackhappy@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 02:26 collapse

Three rights make a left.

Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works on 28 Apr 02:03 collapse

Iran has been shaping them into what they are now though.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 10:37 collapse

Iran didn’t “guide” them into creating a constitution that was deferential to Islam. In fact, the Ba’ath party, which was gotten rid of when Saddam was defeated, was secular. It was the U.S. that did that.

saltesc@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 00:07 collapse

Bombing isn’t really in the Iraq playbook yet.

Maybe it can be added after the latest section on insurrection sand we’ll see about next time.

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Sanctus@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 00:01 next collapse

Its weird republicans hate middle eastern people so much. These guys are enacting the laws they wish they had.

mycathas9lives@mstdn.plus on 28 Apr 00:03 next collapse

@Sanctus @MicroWave

Do you remember the Dave Chappel skit where a blind black man was a white supremacist and joined the KKK?

He did not understand why they wanted to kill him because he thought he was just like them.

BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee on 28 Apr 03:48 collapse

that KKK also had a gay man at their meeting. his head exploded

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 28 Apr 00:06 next collapse

They only hate them because they ain’t them.

DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 02:33 next collapse

Well that and their racism

blazeknave@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 14:57 collapse

It’s a movie reference

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org on 28 Apr 14:48 collapse

And wrong religion

afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 16:45 next collapse

Not to me. People can agree and not like each other. For example both me and another man can agree that X belongs to someone, X is very desirable to have, and that X’s ownership is in dispute between me and someone else.

Christians and Muslims agree on many things that doesn’t mean less conflict it means more.

Iceblade02@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 20:34 collapse

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Dkarma@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 01:11 next collapse

Man all the freedom the USA brought in action bigly

HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social on 28 Apr 02:50 next collapse

Coming soon to a red state near you!

DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe on 28 Apr 03:57 collapse

Including them being talked down from the death penalty.

tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Apr 04:56 collapse

Florida is already there. They’ve been trying to:

  • Allow the death penalty for sexual abusers
  • Make trans healthcare for children (and later, for anyone) a kind of sexual abuse
  • Reduce the number of jurors needed to give someone the death sentence
Heni_meat_smasher_69@ani.social on 28 Apr 13:54 next collapse

Thanks American brought freedom to Iraq

Son_of_dad@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 15:31 next collapse

Yeah, I mean before America showed up, they were all for same sex marriages over there. Saddam loved the LGBT community! /S

afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 16:43 collapse

The point is “liberating” them didn’t make things better. Not that things were good before.

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afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 17:03 collapse

I responded to a comment about the US invasion. It wasn’t me making anything about about something else.

Sure I know what the real origin of this whole thing is. Islam, like the other Abrahamic faiths, is anti-LGBT.

Phegan@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 18:16 collapse

America is on that path right now too. I hate it here.

afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 16:52 next collapse

Stop believing in skydaddy and save the life of a LGBT person

ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 19:24 collapse

they’re proposing to lock same-sex partners together for 15 years? why not just let them live together by themselves – they save 15 years’ worth of taxpayer money per person!

idiomaddict@feddit.de on 29 Apr 08:09 collapse

It’s just really extreme marriage counseling