Search for survivors after Yemen Houthis sink second Red Sea cargo ship in a week (www.bbc.com)
from Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 09 Jul 17:52
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rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 09 Jul 18:30 next collapse

End the genocide

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 09 Jul 19:39 next collapse

...or we'll drown more people!

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 09 Jul 19:52 collapse

They was warned multiple time

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 09 Jul 20:00 next collapse

We warned the Houthis, too, so I guess it's OK to bomb some.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 09 Jul 20:07 next collapse

Houthis is an armed political and religious movement not an ethnic group within Yemen. Yes, it’s ok to bomb them

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 09 Jul 20:56 collapse

And the people on the ship were Filipinos...

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 09 Jul 21:05 collapse

I feel sorry for them. The genocide should end it will save everybody lives. The houthis didn’t attack any ship during the cease fire so why the countries that have the obligation to do the best to stop it isn’t doing all they can?

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 09 Jul 21:16 next collapse

They was warned multiple time

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 09 Jul 23:15 collapse

How are you this ignorant? The houthi basically started as a civil war in Yemen, not some moral high ground against Israel.

Stop re-writing the history to serve your narrative.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 09 Jul 23:19 next collapse

You are the ignorant one saudis started the war.

Zionists like you are the master of rewriting history

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 09 Jul 23:22 collapse

Saudi arabia are not zionists you goofball

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 09 Jul 23:31 collapse

They are, ziotard

www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-731942

israelhayom.com/…/revealed-saudi-arabias-intercep…

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 00:18 collapse

Dude, please stop being willfully stupid. Just because Saudis are not allies with Iran or their proxies, does not mean they are zionists.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 10 Jul 00:36 collapse

Stop being willfully stupid. Why saudis protecting israel under what obligation? Why israel have military cooperation with saudis. If you support israel unconditionally you are a zionkst simple as that

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 00:42 collapse

They are fighting against Iran, not defending Israel. The two hate each other. Clown, not everything that happens in the world happens because of Jews. They have been at each other’s throats for a very long time. In fact, almost no one there likes Russia or Iran, you’re one of the rare ones defending them.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 10 Jul 00:48 collapse

They are fighting against Iran, not defending Israel.  How dumb can you be how throwing missiles on israel an attack on the saudis?

Clown, not everything that happens in the world happens because of Jews

Clown nobody blame jews for everything. I hate Muslim idf soldiers as much as all other idf soldiers killing civilians

almost no one there likes Russia or Iran, you’re one of the rare ones defending them. I don’t defend Russia, Russia started a war of aggression of Ukraine. Iran is a theocratic countries oppressing all oppositions and women. This doesn’t mean Iran can’t defend itself from Israel . How many Iranian civilians was you willing to sacrifice for implementing a puppet state?

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 09 Jul 23:33 next collapse

The saudis backed up yemen dictator Seleh and started the civil war. You love rewritting history

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 00:33 collapse

How what you just said is remotely similar to what you said before? So were houthis at war before Israel invaded Gaza or not?

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 10 Jul 00:38 collapse

I answer enough questions you asked. Answer my questions first

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 00:48 collapse

Your question makes no sense. Palestine is not part of NATO. What defense obligations are you talking about?

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 10 Jul 00:54 collapse

Don’t act ignorant. My questions was

Do you believe in international law? Do you acknowledge that Israel is occupying Palestinians , acknowledge all the human right reports showing israel is indeed killing civilians Did you justify collective punishment when you said a big chunk of palestinians support Hamas?

Palestine is not part of NATO. What defense obligations are you talking about?

As members of the UN all states are obligated not to recognize Israel’s sovereignty or territorial claims over the occupied territories, including East Jerusalem. They must not provide aid or assistance

Israel’s internationally wrongful acts give rise to State responsibility, not only for Israel, but for all States.” Pillay said. “All States are obligated not to recognize territorial or sovereignty claims made by Israel over the occupied territories. States must distinguish in their dealings between Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory, such as a State must not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel or place its diplomatic representatives to Israel in Jerusalem. States must not render aid or assistance in maintaining the unlawful occupation. Aid and assistance include financial, military and political aid or support

ohchr.org/…/international-law-obligates-un-member…

Look at how you claim that i am the stupid one when i provide sources from international law about my claims while you keep spreading lies without any sources

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 18:49 collapse

Don’t act ignorant. My questions was Do you believe in international law?

What is international law? Are you talking about ICJ, where most important countries are not even member states? Then obviously no, you gotta have only few brain cells left in 2025 to think international law is a thing, otherwhise we would not see such massive war in Europe.

Rest of your comment is pretty stupid too. Most of you seem to live in some imaginary land, completely delusional from real life.

Look at how you claim that i am the stupid one when i provide sources from international law about my claims while you keep spreading lies without any sources

Holy shit this genuinely made me laugh. What next, you’re going to provide me source that says using chemical weapons is banned and then ask me where is collective punishment for russia? My brother, get out from your cave

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 10 Jul 18:52 collapse

Bye ziotard

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 18:55 collapse

You literally have 60 IQ, don’t you?

Saleh@feddit.org on 10 Jul 20:58 collapse

Where the Houthis come from doesn’t change the fact that they are pretty much the only one territorial actor outside of Palestine standing up militarily for Palestine. That they stand up for Palestine doesn’t whitewash what else they are doing, but if any of the leaders of Sunni majority countries would have half a spine, the Houthis wouldn’t have to be lauded as being such an exception to the rest.

BakerBagel@midwest.social on 09 Jul 22:52 collapse

I warned my neighbor that i would shoot him if he tried to pick my back door one more time. He warned me that he would kill my wife. Clearly we are both the same

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 09 Jul 23:04 collapse

Did you warn your mailman not to drop off mail at your criminal neighbor's house or you would blow up his truck?

3abas@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 01:40 collapse

No, but I did warn my mailman not to deliver the ammo to my neighbor who has already killed my uncle’s entire family and is promising to murder my wife next.

We can play this game forever. The reaction to genocide isn’t worse than genocide.

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 10 Jul 03:49 collapse

Anything less than genocide goes, I guess.

3abas@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 04:23 collapse

You guess very stupidly, and without evidence. No one suggested “anything goes”, and you’re once again implying an action that occurred in an attempt to stop genocide is isolated act of aggression.

It doesn’t “go”, Houthis don’t just get to sink ships, that’s not the argument being made.

Israel is actively slaughtering children, and they’ve been warned for well over a year now to stop or ships heading their way will be attacked.

I know you understand the concept, you’ll happily attribute the death of civilians indiscriminately bombed in a besieged enclave to the resistance militants and disgustingly call them human shields… But here they aren’t living in an open air prison that they aren’t allowed to leave, here they took a job on a ship going to a state that’s currently unapologetically live streaming a genocide.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 09 Jul 23:13 collapse

The Houthis warned Philippines that they will attack their ships? When did that happen, or are you full of shit as usual? They are often shooting ships indiscrimately, there were even cases of them hitting aid going to gaza or their allies ships. They literally said that they’re terrorizing international shipping canal to show solidarity with hamas, backed by Russian and Iranian rockets.

Madison420@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 02:02 collapse

That’s a blockade, yeah. Israel has been doing that on and off to Palestine for like 40 years.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 19:07 collapse

Israel has been blocking international shipping lane/sea? Weird, I thought they only blocked a port without affecting unrelated countries.

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Saleh@feddit.org on 10 Jul 20:54 collapse

Israel has been attacking any ship that aimed for Gaza. The latest case they abducted a dozen Civilians in international waters. before they bombed a civilian ship bound to bring food to Gaza off the coast of Malta.

So yes, Israel has been attacking targets in international water quite recently.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 22:53 collapse

So internationally that makes them terrorists. What’s bizzare to me is how hard it is for lemmy to say the same thing about houthis

Madison420@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 23:02 next collapse

You’re being absurd. Who’s said houthis aren’t terrorists? Literally every major world power has engaged in terrorism on scales that are hard to fathom. The issue is that the word is fucking useless because one man’s terrorist is anothers freedom fighter, it’s all just perspective.

We can call them belligerent nation currently taking part in genocide and apartide while occupying three of it’s neighbors. To me at least that’s more descriptive then the same word used for someone who shoots up ten people at a gas station or whatever.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 11 Jul 00:06 collapse

You’re being absurd. Who’s said houthis aren’t terrorists?

Literally multiple people on lemmy, with my own eyes. There was even a comment saying they’re the good force in this fucked up world

Madison420@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 01:07 collapse

Who here said that.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 11 Jul 03:42 collapse

Bro I’m not about to spend literal working hours digging thru lemmy history looking for few comments amongst ocean of them, be realistic. I’ve genuinely never even used search function on this app (boost).

You’d be surprised at the shit people say. Are you new to the internet?

Madison420@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 04:03 collapse

Ok so what you’re saying is no one here that you know of has refused to call houthis terrorists? So what exactly is the relevance of that particular tidbit of information?

I’m not surprised no, I’m curious as to why you care or what difference the existence of comments that may or may not exist had here now.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 11 Jul 04:34 collapse

… it’s like talking to a wall

Madison420@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 05:24 collapse

It is, you’re claiming someone is doing something they aren’t and when pressed you can’t cite a single time it has happened nor why that might actually be relevant.

Saleh@feddit.org on 11 Jul 05:12 collapse

Israel attacking Civillians in international waters make the Houthis terrorists?

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 11 Jul 14:33 collapse

Lol what? No, why would Israel doing something make someone else terrorists? Clearly I meant the more logical option

ameancow@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 20:58 collapse

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sea_crisis

The Houthis say that any Israel-linked ship is a target,[90][87][88] including US and UK warships, but they have also attacked the ships of many nations with no connection to Israel.[91][92] From October 2023 to March 2024, the Houthis attacked more than 60 vessels in the Red Sea.

edit: the fact that people are snarling at actual, neutral reporting of factual events should be the clue-in that you’re all literally doing the exact same thing we despise from the right, letting feelings cloud our judgement about who our real allies are or are not. Use your fucking heads you hysterical children.

I am fully convinced that most of you are reflexively reacting because your favorite political streamer said something good about Houthis at some point and you’re not even sure why or what the nuance is.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 10 Jul 21:08 collapse

They didn’t attack before 7 of october and didn’t attack during the ceasefire. End the genocide

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 09 Jul 18:50 next collapse

Man, just imagine doing your job, living at the other side of the world, spending months on sea to bring back some money for your family, and then some cunts just kill you because of a conflict you might not even know exists

BakerBagel@midwest.social on 09 Jul 22:51 next collapse

Sailoring has always been a dangerous job. The past 50 years os the exemption, not the rule.

catty@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 10:03 collapse

damn sirens

3abas@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 01:35 next collapse

Man, imagine watching a live steamed genocide for two years and when a few people get hurt because they’re working on a ship that supports the genocide, that’s when you feel empathy.

lepinkainen@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 04:34 next collapse

Is there a master list of ships that support genocide, so that I don’t end up on one?

Saleh@feddit.org on 10 Jul 21:00 collapse

If the port you are bound for is one of the following, you should not be on that ship to not become complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity:

en.wikipedia.org/…/Category:Ports_and_harbours_of…

ohulancutash@feddit.uk on 10 Jul 05:26 next collapse

They attack any ships they have the opportunity to. The “supporting genocide” nonsense is cover for their useful idiots.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 10 Jul 19:36 next collapse

They never attacked before the war and not during the cease fire . You are the idiot

3abas@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 07:19 collapse

That’s objectively not true.

Goodman@discuss.tchncs.de on 10 Jul 06:00 next collapse

You can literally feel empathy for both though?

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 19:04 collapse

What a weird comment

EDIT: About his assumption that I don’t feel empathy towards people. Out of the blue and random

3abas@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 05:48 collapse

Not weird at all. It’s weird to verbalize empathy towards workers supporting genocide.

Notice I’m not advocating for their death, but when they are warned not to work on a ship because it will be attacked because it’s supporting genocide, it’s weird to exclusively share en empathetic view that paints them as innocent workers…

Madison420@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 01:58 next collapse

You can’t transit the area and not know. I’m pretty sure theres been a maritime advisement for like a decade generally and for Liberia there’s been a specific warning provided to relevant shipping companies and captains. It would be like sailing the coast of Somalia and saying you didn’t know theres a pirate issue.

SectoidLexi@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Jul 13:20 next collapse

“A conflict you might not even know exists” see that’s just bullshit. Not only is Israel’s genocide reported heavily across the globe, if you run a shipping company, it is your responsibility to at least be somewhat aware of the regional conflicts in the area you transport goods to and from. Also, if there’s a military blockade threatening all vessels who enter a port, it is also your responsibility to not put your employees in danger by trying to bypass that blockade with no assurances of safety. I would hold the owners of this vessel/company accountable for prioritizing profit and getting these people killed.

ameancow@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 21:01 collapse

I would be nice if people broadly opposed bombing ANYONE but even here, a site that appeals largely to self-proclaimed leftists and progressives like this is just oozing with as much bloodlust as you would see from the worst people we condemn.

This bloodlust for the deaths of others is why we have a genocide raging to begin with. Why can’t we all be better and be consistent.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 10 Jul 22:57 collapse

Lol don’t bother. Each time I say something similar (ie. everyone should calm the f down), I get downvoted into oblivion. What’s even more ironic is that I got downvoted for saying we don’t need another genocide.

brendansimms@lemmy.world on 09 Jul 19:06 next collapse

From this BBC article: “It is the second vessel the Houthis have sunk in a week, after the group on Sunday launched missiles and drones at another Liberian-flagged, Greek-operated cargo ship, Magic Seas, which they claimed “belong[ed] to a company that violated the entry ban to the ports of occupied Palestine”…The group has said it is acting in support of the Palestinians in the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, and have claimed - often falsely - that they are targeting ships only linked to Israel”.

From The Times of Israel: “Both the Eternity C and Magic Seas were part of commercial fleets whose sister vessels have made calls to Israeli ports over the past year.”

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 09 Jul 21:29 next collapse

The time of israel lol

ohulancutash@feddit.uk on 10 Jul 05:32 collapse

These quotes do not contradict each other.

massive_bereavement@fedia.io on 09 Jul 20:03 next collapse

Wait, the Signal chat told me that this was solved for evar...

Reverendender@sh.itjust.works on 09 Jul 20:57 next collapse

I was told that the massive and exorbitantly expensive air strikes solved this problem.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 11:05 next collapse

after a decade of the US helping Saudis turn Yemen into a parking lot, they can strike Israel and control the red sea.

makes me wonder what they fuck where they bombing that Yemen can still fight?

Saleh@feddit.org on 10 Jul 20:53 collapse

Civilian infrastructure, specifically farms, to facilitate genocide by hunger, weddings, schools, hospitals, ports…

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 22:21 collapse

i wonder if US foreign policy is doing this with the explicit intent to promote anti American terrorist groups, to ensure there’s always a target to promote the military industrial complex.

not sure if it’s a conspiracy, because they are already doing it, and that is the outcome, the only tin foil hat part is their intent

hoch@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 01:28 collapse

Well they’re clearly asking for some more

sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Jul 04:04 next collapse

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mlg@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 08:03 next collapse

A military enforced trade blockade is too much for some people to handle who think battling a state responsible for genocide can be done without violence… which is exactly what a military specializes in.

Of course now that the US has gone home, no one is there to intercept all the antiship missiles, so any vessel aiming for Israel should really take the alternative route.

remon@ani.social on 10 Jul 08:11 next collapse

Of course now that the US has gone home

What do you mean? A 2nd carrier group just got there …

Samskara@sh.itjust.works on 10 Jul 19:48 collapse

The Houthis targeted plenty of ships not going to Israel.

ameancow@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 20:56 collapse

The part where this goes off the rails in the public discourse is that people are broadly absolutely fucking STUCK in linear, binary thinking, I can list a thousand examples of this in every-day-life and it’s a weakness that governments exploit daily. For some reason our species can live comfortably in the cognitive dissonance about things like faith and reason existing alongside each other, but cannot fathom the idea that bad people can fight other bad people and they’re both bad. Or that people lie in ways that appeal to your own feelings to try to get public sympathy behind their own agenda.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sea_crisis

The Houthis say that any Israel-linked ship is a target,[90][87][88] including US and UK warships, but they have also attacked the ships of many nations with no connection to Israel.[91][92] From October 2023 to March 2024, the Houthis attacked more than 60 vessels in the Red Sea.

They’re pirates. If the genocide stopped tomorrow, they would still be fighting for their own political agendas and of course the wealth onboard these giant ships full of goods, including food, aid and other vital supplies destined for countries unrelated to Israel, Yemen or Palestine.

Samskara@sh.itjust.works on 10 Jul 23:38 collapse

The Houthis have done so many crimes towards their own civilians, including denial of humanitarian aid. Just because they literally have written „Death to Israel. A curse upon the Jews.“ on their flag and act accordingly makes them good guys in some people’s eyes.

When Arabs kill Arabs Western leftists don’t pay attention.

in the public discourse is that people are broadly absolutely fucking STUCK in linear, binary thinking

Polarisation has empowered the most radical and extreme voices. Nuance is punished harshly and immediately by campists. Facts and truth matter less and less regardless of political affiliation.

catty@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 10:03 next collapse

Brace yourself, it’s about to go down

ameancow@lemmy.world on 10 Jul 21:05 collapse

Our dumb, violent, primate species fucking deserves the apocalypse we’re crafting in laboratories as we speak.

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml on 10 Jul 22:35 next collapse

Parent company of the ship had other ships which delivered to Israeli ports. Sad that they used human shields for their complicity in genocide.

SkyezOpen@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 04:51 collapse

Wait so the targeted ship wasn’t even going to Israel? Wasn’t that the whole point of the blockade, not just attacking anyone vaguely related to Israel?

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml on 11 Jul 06:16 collapse

Ships related to Israel. The parent company very directly violated the blockade so they have become a target.

hoch@lemmy.world on 11 Jul 01:27 collapse

The number of people in this thread defending this shitstain terrorist organization is unreal.

You do realize you can be anti-Israel without supporting literal terrorists?

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com on 11 Jul 08:11 next collapse

Can we all just agree that attacking and killing civilians is bad, regardless of who is doing it? I wouldn’t expect that to be too much.

Tbh, killing military personnel isn’t exactly “good” either if the destroying equipment, vehicles, and structures is enough to achieve military objectives.

SectoidLexi@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Jul 13:31 collapse

That’s a good idea, let’s oppose Israel but also oppose all the forces that are actually fighting it because they are scary Muslims who use violence which is a no-no. We should instead write a stern letter that genocide is bad but we will not do anything effective to stop it. That should work!