from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 2026 12:37
https://lemmy.world/post/43991849
Wang Yi cautioned against a return to the ‘law of the jungle’ but stopped short of criticising Trump directly
War in the Middle East “should never have happened”, China’s foreign minister Wang Yi has declared, even as he struck a more conciliatory tone with the US ahead of a highly anticipated visit by Donald Trump.
Regime change, a key stated aim of the US president as the US and Israel continue to attack Iran, “will find no popular support”, Wang said on Sunday. “A strong fist does not mean strong reason. The world cannot return to the law of the jungle,” he added.
Speaking on the sidelines of China’s annual parliamentary and political gatherings, known as the Two Sessions, the country’s top diplomat and foreign affairs official notably avoided directly criticising the US.
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Any war should never have happened. But at one point some people decide that the status quo isn’t good and war is the only way to move forward. Perfectly good resources are wasted, civilians die, trust between peoples is destroyed.
And when war has begun, politicians again use the war as a basis for argumentation for their own agenda. It colors the meaning of a statement.
It’s mind-boggling that the entire history of war hasn’t been “our leaders decided they wanted a war so we tossed them in a pit with sharp sticks to figure things out and suddenly they decided war was avoidable”
We have more in common with a random American Crack dealer, a random middle-Eastern farmer, Chinese retail worker, South American factory worker, than anyone who leads major countries, anyone in the 1%.
I have no ill will toward any Iranian, in fact I’ve known quite a few immigrants and think better of Iran than most US states, yet my country leaders decided it was a good idea to bomb the fuck out of them. We should toss them in a hole until they can work together with the rest of us, yet here we are…
Wouldn’t the world be rapidly conquered by some Thrud the Barbarian type leader then?
You know, I was considering putting the potential downside of “one country might just have a young and jacked leader that can thrash all the old rich people” but figured my comment was getting too long for anyone to care to read.
I think at that point the people would just have to chuck him in an active volcano instead of a pit.
The perversion of executive into leader is part of how we got here. Executives are supposed to answer I other people not lead anything. Like how a CEO in theory answers to a board of directors.
i met a few iranians, one was obviously Openly lgbtq+ another one later in a different university was ba’hai and she hated the islamic regime because they were ethnically cleansing the ba’hai
Probably the best way to sum up war, honestly.
We need to have our leaders personally duel instead, loser can give some concessions. Challenged leader gets to pick the weapon…
History on the side of China.
So does I
Good to hear Taiwan will only be reunified diplomatically, if ever.
You don’t understand the situation. China does not consider Taiwan a separate independent country, and has never recognized it as such. Unfortunately USA and most of the world has agreed to accept the 1 China policy, which means Taiwan is not treated as a real country in many international contexts.
China see Taiwan as an occupied part of China.
So by their definition they are within their right to attack Taiwan, including by international law as they see it.
So in their view, they can say this, and attack Taiwan, without seeing that as a double standard. And the west has basically agreed to it from a legal perspective. But at the same time USA say they protect Taiwan, which would traditionally have meant likely the rest of NATO too. But now NATO is in shambles because of Trump, so maybe USA will be alone now. America first!
How’s this post related to Taiwan? Do you have to talk about the island every single time China is mentioned?
It’s not related to Taiwan, but that commenter made a connection. Do you not get it?
The western lib obsession with Taiwan is unbelievable. China hasn’t entered a war in 50+ years, it’s literally inconceivable for the western mind that China actually has good trade relations with Taiwan, because you can only understand violence and sanction, as is the case of Cuba by the US.
Using ‘lib’ as an insult just exposes the idiocy, thanks for self reporting.
Red MAGA, Green MAGA, it doesn’t change.
It’s not an insult, it’s a description of your political position, a shortening of the word “liberal” in the USian sense of the word.
What’s green MAGA? Genuinely curious, I never heard that before. Maybe following the teachings of Gaddafi’s green book?
The exact same Principle applies to judging the Russian aggression against Ukraine, the American and Israeli aggression against Iran and the possible Chinese aggression against Taiwan.
The difference for the latter is that so far it has only been threats, hence only concern about the possibility of it happening is justified, whilst judging China for it is not justified.
Not saying that some (maybe even most) people knee-jerking “Taiwan” as soon as somebody says “China” aren’t being good little propaganda-driven muppets, rather I’m saying that some are not and their concern comes from personal principles around aggression and self-determination.
The Russian republic had armed conflict in the 90s and 2000s with the Chechen wars, it has precedent of militaristic attitudes.
The US had armed conflict in the 90s, 2000s and 2010s, and Israel has been genociding Palestinians since its inception
China doesn’t have a recent history of militarism. It’s pure speculation and kinda senseless looking at China’s attitudes towards Taiwan and their extensive trade agreements.
Communist China has invaded and annexed Tibet.
So China when governed by the very same political force as governs it now is a proven imperialist.
They’re also more powerful than Russia and on their way to supplant the US.
It makes total sense to be worried that a powerful nation which under a government of the same ideology as governs it now has done so, will invade another far weaker and much smaller neighboring country which they’ve been consistently claiming to be “part of our nation” for decades.
What it doesn’t make sense is to blame China for something they haven’t actually done, only talked about.
This is over 50 years ago as I said, and you’re mischaracterizing what happened. Tibet was a feudal kingdom where the vast majority of the population were starved serfs legally bound to the land of their god-given lord. China liberated Tibet from feudalism and rose life expectancy and material conditions massively, while preserving their heritage, language and culture, and a degree of autonomy within China higher than most other regions (Tibet is an autonomous region).
That’s the “they were ruled by evil dictators so we freed them” argument so beloved by Americans when they invade a country to take their shit.
That Chinese propaganda right now - 2026 not 50 years ago - justifies China’s invasion and annexation of Tibet with the same kind of argument as America’s invasions are justfied, says all we need to know about the mindset of the power elites in both countries being pretty much the same, reinforcing fears that the Chinese Communist Party that rules China right know still has the same principles as it did back when it invaded and annexed Tibet and hence will do the same in a similar situation.
You parroting that just further makes my point that it’s justified to be concerned with the possibility of China invading the weaker neighbor country is has always claimed to be part of it rather than a separate sovereign country.
The difference are the results. In Tibet now there’s a high development index state with conservation of their culture, traditions and language, a functioning government with autonomy, and high levels of education and welfare. In Iraq, Syria and Libya, you have dismantled failed states, terrorism, religious extremism, disintegration of infrastructure and a total lack of education and welfare state. If you cared a minimum about informing yourself on Tibet and its inhabitants, you’d know this, instead of swallowing the American propaganda whole and using Tibetans as a political weapon instead of considering them as people with an agency and power.
Again, you’re just digging the hole deeper:
Basically you moved from using the American justification argument to using the Israeli justification, which I’m afraid isn’t actually less imperialist, quite the contrary.
Something completelly different and totally valid, IMHO, is if China had inspired Tibetans to overthrow their leadership and install Communism - similar to Vietnam - but that’s not what China did: China chose annexation and colonization - the path of domination not the path of partnership.
Did you ask Tibetan people what they believe of this? There hasn’t ever been any significant independence movement in Tibet regarding this. I could compare that to my homeland of Spain, which had literal terrorist strikes from ETA because of Basque independence movements, and Catalonia’s extremely tense political situation that led to the imprisonment sentences of high-profile pro-independence politicians such as Charles Puidgemont or Oriol Junqueras. Nothing like this has been seen in Tibet, you’re literally pretending you know better about the self-governance of Tibet than Tibetans themselves. There is not any significant pro-independence political or social movement in Tibet, you’re making up the question of self-determination based on ideas and comparing with the west without analyzing the particular situation of Tibet or the desires of Tibetans.
You probably mean Han? Are you really trying to argue about ethnic policy in China and you literally cannot spell the name of the majority ethnicity in the country? You’re not arguing from a point of being well informed and well-read on the topic, you’re literally repeating Reddit comment-level propaganda.
Honestly, you’re just showing you are literally making up reality with that comparison, proving yet again that you have literally no idea about the topic. Ethnic Tibetans make up 85+% of the population in the region, Han peoples are 12%ish. Open a book for once in your life and stop regurgitating anti-China propaganda which is clearly not coming from a well-intentioned nuanced critique but from literally made up realities. It’s absolutely fucking insulting that you would dare compare the living standards of ethnic Tibetans in Tibet with the literal genocide of Palestinians in occupied Palestine. This conversation is over, I don’t argue with genocide denialists who minimize the genocide of Palestinians by comparing it to the living conditions of Tibet.
Your take on Self-Determination boils down to just saying “I know better than they do” - you think they should change their mode of government to something else which you think is better and if they don’t then it’s perfectly justified for those who you aprove off to do it for them.
That’s pure Imperialist bullshit, no different from what from the bullshit out of the elites of every single imperialist power, including America and Russia, and is a variant of the good old “it’s civilized people coming to civilize the barbarians” idea so common in justifying the atrocities European colonialism.
Maybe me being Portuguese rather than Spanish and my countrymen chosing to kick out the Fascists rather than, like in Spain the Fascists deciding to given themselves immunity for their actions and “allow” a transition to Democracy, explains why I believe that self-determination eventually works and you believe that outsiders imposing their will is a morally righteous path.
As for the rest, that’s pure dissembling and raging at strawmen to avoid addressing my points - if you could disprove what I wrote you would have done it rather fixating on spelling and raging like a child at your own, self-crafted purposed miscaracterisation of myself and what I wrote.
You’re obviously putting political loyalty above Principle and in doing so you display the same contemptible lack of Morals and Principles as the worst Americans and Russians.
Frankly, you sound a lot like the Fascists: different political flag same authoritarian heart.
Just be thankful I didn't bring up the Hundred Acre Wood.
Oh wow, thank you so much <3
That’s what Xi keeps repeating, that reunification is only possible by continuously strengthening economic, cultural and even political ties. Western media keeps trying to claim he wants to “take Taiwan by force” but there’s never a source, it’s always “read between the lines” of his speeches.
Idk continuous military landing drill and jets doesn’t really look peaceful.
Plus this: reuters.com/…/china-says-it-absolutely-will-not-r…
I don’t plan on having arguement with .ml so just ignore though.
Truth. Based.
China has to speak from both sides of the mouth. Iran is a client and source of its oil. US is a client and source of its $1 trillion dollar trade surplus. China needs both of them.
which they are both frenemies of russia, he doesnt want to upset that balance too.
Just about everything that tRUMP is even remotely connected to almost definitely shouldn’t have happened.
China has the power to end the war with ultimatums against US navy, if not Tel Aviv. Tolerating an illegal war “that should have never happened” is weakness or opportunism. US may be too depleted to prevent China focused annexations, and they may get reconstruction/development contracts with Iran.
The pure demonism of Israel to only want destruction of country, and perpetual assassinations of every leader is something that deserves a nuclear ultimatum for immediate ceasefire, and if not for IDF/people to exterminate their own rulership within a short number of days. The pretense of US strength is oppressive, and must be disillusioned instead of the “do nothing and win” slow advantage accumulation of China.
We absolutely do NOT want to escalate it to a nuclear war, are you insane?
Israel would take the safe bet of ceasing their illegal war, or IDF/citizens could choose the extermination of their demonic rabid rulers. Perhaps Israelis devotion to genocide is not phased by the prospects of losing the game they initiated. US forces also get the freedom to leave, but sinking navies is allowed, and nuclear is just quick and easy. Nuclear weapons promised peace over demonic BS. If no one ever threatens world peace, then demonic crackheads will never stop.
Other than the very convenient fighting between Pakistan and Afghanistan leading up to Iran war, would you prefer Chinese/Pakistan Air force operations to shoot down axis bombing jets? Blow up Gulf bases, and assassinate the pig fuckers that oppress their people and let US bases operate? Perhaps you just want to protect the pig fuckers with more time for destruction, or not allow other countries/people side against them?
For those with the power to stop wrong, saying something’s wrong (as in Venezuela/Cuba/Caribbean fishing boat bombings) and not doing anything about it, hasn’t stopped a bigger wrong the following week, because even when they say it is unacceptable, doing nothing is defacto acceptable.
Wow you are doubling down on nuclear war! You really are insane. 🤮
You’re the one doubling down on permission for axis of demonism to be unopposed. I also provided options to draw out the war such that more innocent non-Israelis die and suffer. It’s the threat of justice that makes people law abiding and civilized.
In my view, it is your defacto full throated support for demomic evil to reign unopposed that is insane.
I absolutely have NEVER argued that it should be unopposed, what a giant straw man!
You seem delusional.
If only he had said that to Putin too, when Russia invaded Ukraine and started a full scale war.
Time for Europe to hold him to this announcement.
China did denounce the war in Ukraine.
As I recall it, that was a bit ambiguous.
Iirc they said that diplomatic measures should’ve been employed instead.
All in all, it didn’t matter then and doesn’t now, because they just keep this ‘neutral’ thing going and denounce this and that. The actual trade policy and such work by a completely different logic. They aren’t gonna boycott the US or sever trade with them, just as they haven’t with Russia.
Which is total bullshit, what diplomatic measureless were necessary or even possible? When Ukraine was absolutely peaceful, and Putin was promised that Ukraine wouldn’t become a NATO member? And Putin attacked Ukraine with an argument of denazification, which is insane since Ukraine is a democracy, and their leader is Jewish! Of the 2 Russia is clearly the very Nazi like totalitarian regime.
That statement by China was for appearances only, it was hollow and completely lacked any criticism of Putin or Russia or the war crimes Russia is committing.
Which is why I don’t remember China speaking against the war in any real way.
USA did promise to gorbachev about not one inch to east tho? But NATO is just expanding and expanding
I am not justifying russia, what they did was stupid and evil but talk on facts
Nope, no such promise was ever part of any formal agreement between NATO/USA and Russia.
It would also be pretty moronic, since voluntary unification of Germany was always a goal for West Germany. Which would automatically move the NATO border east.
There was possibly a promise that East Germany would not be used by NATO forces, but that agreement had nothing to do with including new member countries.
Also that agreement wasn’t formal, and was definitely not meant to be binding long term.
This was said after unification of Germany
US ambassador to USSR Jack F Matlock also accepted this on TV
An ambassador simply can’t make such a promise, you are being ridiculous.
My guess is you are parroting Russian propaganda, because it sounds just like it.
As I CLEARLY stated earlier, there are no official agreements to anything like that.
If there were, you should point to that, instead of what some cleaning lady may have said, which is about as valid an international agreement as some diplomat saying something on TV.
I didnt said they made a promise, an ambassador however saying that on TV cant be disregarded either, I never claimed it was a valid assertion by russia I am just saying things like that were said at that time, it wasnt a written agreement so I guess they expanded.
Of course there could still have been diplomatic measures, Zelensky wanted to negotiate with the Russians until the very end and Ukraine seemed to believe Putin wouldn’t ultimately invade even when USA was saying they’re almost certainly going to and released supporting intel.
That’s not to say Russia wasn’t always in the wrong since the 2013 events of course but it doesn’t mean the Ukrainians weren’t willing to compromise on some things in 2022 just to get some normalcy.
Obviously calling for a diplomatic solution makes no sense until AFTER the invasion.
Before that as you mention, even Zelensky didn’t think the Russians would invade.
Why would China call for a diplomatic solution to something that hasn’t happened yet?
It wasn’t just the invasion that needed a diplomatic solution, there was after all a war already going on in Eastern Ukraine since 2014 even if it had somewhat frozen. The Russian troop concentrations were interpreted by some like Zel as just posturing in order to bring that conflict to an end through a diplomatic solution while the previous agreements had failed.
Yes, that was some great lip service.
Exactly. Just like this time.
Based china. Crazy timeline we live in where china is the voice of reason.
Theyre just taking advantage of a golden opportunity for PR.
I don’t believe its honest, given what goes on inside their own borders.
Although to be honest, do you know any government that is honest? It’s all PR.
Agreed! Given the opportunity they WILL invade Taiwan.
Watching the West enter another Forever War for Israel is great for China.
Its pretty normal for anyone who isnt a wesern liberal🤷♂️
lol yeah while flying fighter jets above taiwan daily
It never would have happened if Trump were… Oh… Nevermind.
Democrats need to stop nominating the lesser evil if they truly want to stop the greater evil.
The problem is the ones who live in mini-mansions don’t want to pay more in taxes, so they convince everyone under them that raising taxes is a bad idea.
It’s not like they have much choice. You look at the ballot and choose fascism or fascism light.
Well I mean how else was the president going to distract us all from him being in the Epstein files millions of times.
Probably a lot more of those. And none of these involve killing people.
All at the low low cost of eradicating people you find genetically inferior: en.wikipedia.org/…/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin…
Yeah but you forgot that our president is a malignant narcissist.
Americans only care about what gives more power to their rulers.
It was never about that. There’s already been a lot of instability in Iran (massive water shortages) and this was just an opportunity to put their foot on Iran’s neck to cause even more instability. With that instability created and oil prices going up, it will cause global inflation. With things becoming priced out for regular people it will cause some markets to crash, then the ultra rich will buy up those things and consolidate even more wealth and power.
It would never have happened if Kamala was the president and if it had she’d have ended it in 24 hours.
edit: looks like people have not been paying attention to Trump’s comments and/or the far lefties feel personally attacked by this, lol
Larp larp
Kamala called iran to be americas greatest adversary Pledged to have most lethal fighting force Also supported israel openly
Was mostly meming about the bs Trump has been spewing by using his words about Ukraine but yeah I’m fairly convinced she would have not started an illegal war against Iran together with Israel… or let Israel completely steamroll Gaza while making plans to transform it into a holiday resort for the rich.
Also, who cares if he called the US military lethal, that’s in fact a true statement but it matters whether or not you use it to start illegal wars and settle personal grudges, rob other countries of their natural resources, kill civilians in the Caribbean or bomb schools with almost 200 little girls because the rules of engagement are “bold” etc.
The far left gets offended any time you suggest things would be better if trump wasn’t president. Strange…
Yeah, it’s a consequence of pretending that there is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans and ending up helping Trump get in power.
A Zionist state should never have happened.
American electing a president which supports a Zionist state should never have happened.
This aggressive war is one link ina much larger chain of things which should never have happened, as is the next link, the war crimes already commited by the aggressor states.
Well yes, but he assumes the Trump administration has at least an iota of competence, when really they’re the administrative equivalent of a monkey with an assault rifle.
EDIT: I’ve been contacted by the Monkeys With Assault Rifle Association (MWARA) and would like to issue a formal apology for this false equivalency, as it was an insult to their competency. They sure made a monkey out of Trump.
EDIT2: Again, I’d like to issue a formal apology…
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So troubles in the shadow organization? China’s handlers not on board with their prophecies? Nah, fake posturing
Great. I agree.
What does China think of what’s been going on in Ukraine for the last four years?
Who?
Vlad the Paler
America should have never elected a felon pedophile.
It’s insane how poised China is to be the next global leader.
Idk why Americans are so stupid, but they get taken advantage of every day because of it.
The Mainlanders learned from elsewhere on how to get ahead no matter how, as the national goal is to make this century theirs by 2049.