Gaza police battle gang members accused of stealing humanitarian aid (www.middleeasteye.net)
from Saleh@feddit.org to world@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 2024 09:39
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Saleh@feddit.org on 20 Nov 2024 09:41 collapse

The gangs are backed by Israel according to an UN memo obtained by the Washington Post washingtonpost.com/…/gaza-looting-aid-convoys-isr…

jonne@infosec.pub on 20 Nov 2024 10:04 next collapse

Accuse Hamas of being Isis (after supporting them financially for decades), then turn around and support actual ISIS to aid in their genocide. Warms my heart to see the most moral army in action.

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 2024 17:43 next collapse

Israeli soldiers have also set a school on fire right after it got aid to prevent the starving population from getting any aid

ShepherdPie@midwest.social on 20 Nov 2024 20:52 next collapse

This latest aid convoy was also forced to abandon their planned departure time and route by the Israeli military and told to go early and on an unfamiliar route where they wound up getting attacked and hijacked. This was so obviously planned out by Israel.

trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world on 22 Nov 2024 01:53 collapse

Didn’t this happen some time ago or did they just do it again?

ShepherdPie@midwest.social on 22 Nov 2024 02:47 collapse

I’m not sure. The one I’m referring to just happened and was the first one after all the recent reporting of the famine and humanitarian issues happening in Gaza.

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Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 2024 21:44 collapse

From the Haaretz article:

A school in northern Gaza burned down on Monday, hours after humanitarian aid trucks had arrived to it, according to photos and accounts by locals. Residents of the area said Israeli soldiers had set the fire that consumed the school.

A video seen on social media on Sunday, taken by an IDF soldier, showed two Israeli armored vehicles leaving the school surroundings as it was engulfed in flames

Staff from the UN World Food Program, which sent the aid, as well as other international sources, said Gazans did not even have time to collect the aid. They said the military launched an attack in the area and soldiers had surrounded the building before the food was distributed.

The convoy, consisting of two trucks and a water tanker, was the first to be approved by the military to enter northern Gaza after a month and a half of siege. The decision followed international pressure over the failure to deliver aid to Gazans.

Witnesses said soldiers forced civilians away from the area, preventing them from collecting the aid, which was later destroyed by the fire. Reports also said civilians had been killed at the site. The soldiers involved belonged to the Rotem Battalion in the Givati Brigade, the reports said.

Other footage was posted on Thursday showing fires at schools in northern Gaza. A video from the Jabalya refugee camp showed a soldier standing in the yard of a burning school. Another video showed a large blaze in the Salah al-Din School in Gaza City, which had been serving as a shelter for refugees.

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jonne@infosec.pub on 21 Nov 2024 01:20 next collapse

If you’re not even going to believe Israeli media…

maplebar@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 2024 01:44 collapse

Idiots believe “media”, intelligent people believe concrete evidence, of which there is none to back up the original claim.

jordanlund@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 2024 12:10 next collapse

Why would the IDF attack a convoy they they themselves approved?

Wouldn’t be the first time…

theguardian.com/…/gaza-civilians-afraid-to-leave-…

Or the 2nd… or the 3rd…

euromedmonitor.org/…/Israel-uses-its-‘safe-corrid…

reliefweb.int/…/israel-turns-safe-corridor-gazas-…

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Nov 2024 12:26 next collapse

And the other possibility is that Hamas set their own school on fire because…?

I love that you will attempt to break that argument down, yet just ignore the complete idiocy of the only real alternative.

Nothing can ever happen unless maplebar witnesses it personally

itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Nov 2024 12:48 collapse

This is not a court proceeding, so saying “hearsay is not evidence” is pointless. Witness testimony before a court would be evidence. And all we know as of now points towards Israel doing it. The details will have to be proven in court, when they eventually get their Nuremberg.

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itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Nov 2024 00:51 collapse

this holy war will not go on for another 80 years. because at the current rate, every Palestinian left in Gaza will be dead in a year. and you seem to be fine with Israel withholding aid and now, according to current evidence (but not yet proven in an international court) destroying or helping destroy what little aid does get in.

I’m done with this, I’m blocking you now. I’m sick of having to argue that genocide is wrong.

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jonne@infosec.pub on 21 Nov 2024 01:24 collapse

haaretz.com/…/00000193-17fb-d50e-a3db-57ff16af000…

archive.md/t28IY

Defense officials confirmed that the IDF is aware of the problem. They said that at one point, the government had even considered making the clans to which the armed men belong responsible for distributing aid to Gaza’s residents, even though some of the clans’ members are involved in terrorism, and some are even affiliated with extremist organizations like the Islamic State.

So source: the IDF

timewarp@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 2024 10:29 next collapse

I did nazi that coming

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Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 2024 21:50 next collapse

How do you read that 2 million people are being deliberately forcibly displayed, starved, and targeted; and respond with a laughing emoji. It’s not surprising that everybody in Gaza is desperate for food and aid when they’ve been starved and bombed nonstop for an entire year. How do you read that and laugh?

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Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 20 Nov 2024 22:55 next collapse

I’m laughing at the patently absurd and ridiculous conspiracy theory that the local Palestinian gangs lead by the Palestinian Abu Shabab are “backed by Israel”. A claim that has literally zero evidence or basis in fact behind it.

There is evidence

> An internal UN memo obtained by the Washington Post concluded in October that the gangs “may be benefiting from a passive if not active benevolence” or “protection” from the Israeli army. > The memo said that one gang leader established a “military like compound” in an area “restricted, controlled and patrolled" by the Israeli army. > With the collapse of civil order due to Israel’s targeting and killing of members of Gaza’s police force, few people are left to guard humanitarian aid convoys. > Aid organisations say Israel has denied most of their requests for better measures to ensure the safety of convoys. As the occupying force, Israel is legally responsible for ensuring aid supplies to civilian populations > Only 57 trucks a day were allowed to cross into Gaza in October, far lower than the 350 the US had requested, and the 600 a day aid agencies say are required to meet basic needs. Meanwhile, food prices have skyrocketed. Gaza police battle gang members accused of stealing humanitarian aid

This isn’t about me, other than the fact that this is about Palestinian thugs stealing the humanitarian aid that my taxes have helped pay for from other Palestinians

This entire famine created by Israel is deliberate and intentional. If you’re worried taxes, you should be focused on the magnitudes more, over 17 billion, going to the weapons being used to facilitate this genocide. All this chaos only goes to show how woefully inadequate the humanitarian aid has been and how much more is needed.

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Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 21 Nov 2024 00:04 next collapse

Israel’s occupation and Blockade has been throttling the food available to Palestinians in Gaza to below what’s needed for decades. The full blockade and famine is simply an extension of a longstanding practice.

"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly"

  • Yoav Gallant, Minister of Defense

One of the over 500 instances of Israeli incitement of genocide

Israel also arbitrarily limits how far Palestinians can fish in the sea and shoot them on sight. Gaza fisherfolk can only ‘dream of fishing freely’ under Israel’s blockade

De-development via the Gaza Occupation

> Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah. > Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah. - Page 105 > Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986. - page 240 >In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million. - Page 402 - The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

Blockade, including Aid

Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid. After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted. - Gaza Policy Forum summary: Experts agree that Israel’s dual-use policy causes acute distress >The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shorta

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prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Nov 2024 12:24 collapse

What makes that person a “lib”? Seems like you just want to associate a group of people you don’t like with Zionism.

Don’t do that.

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prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Nov 2024 12:23 collapse

Yeah so ridiculous. It’s not like Netanyahu’s government has directly given Hamas aid in the form of literal cash… Wait

b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Nov 2024 11:16 collapse

Palestinians can do no wrong at this point. This is like judging the Jews, queers, and other minorities in Auschwitz for their methods of fighting back. They’re a people fighting for their very existence from the most brutal fascist regime most of us have ever had the horror of witnessing.

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