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Bob Vylan mocks Charlie Kirk’s assassination (www.telegraph.co.uk)
from CrazyHorse@lemmy.cafe to world@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 18:28
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CrazyHorse@lemmy.cafe on 14 Sep 18:48 next collapse

Another source: dutchnews.nl/…/protest-and-palestine-centre-stage…

Their upcoming concert at 013 (Tilburg, this Tuesday) has been cancelled over this: nos.nl/…/2582452-poppodium-013-schrapt-show-bob-v…

Edit: Their upcoming concert at Doornroosje (Nijmegen, this Monday) has not (yet?) been cancelled.

Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Sep 19:38 next collapse

Wow magats are some fucking snowflakes

trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 19:45 next collapse

Since this takes place in the Netherlands it’s not magats this time, but our own, locally sourced nazis

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 14 Sep 19:48 next collapse

I imagine those people also agree with maga

trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 19:50 collapse

They don’t necessarily want America to be great, but otherwise yes

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 14 Sep 19:54 next collapse

Great !== Great

Great means… basically handmaids tale, in a nutshell.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 14 Sep 20:24 collapse

white. it means white.

hector@lemmy.today on 14 Sep 20:33 next collapse

Racists are just tools of the super rich using them, religious, the ignorant disaffected, etc.

After they consolidate power they will be relegated with the rest of the population. They are being used because they are ill-informed, but they are not the ones pulling the strings, not the ones calling and running the plays here. It is moneyed interests doing that

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 14 Sep 20:37 collapse

100%. just like every time. ethnic strife is just a tool of the oppressor

hector@lemmy.today on 14 Sep 20:53 collapse

As a Mangione inspired billboard in Portland said, I think with a picture of part of mangione’s face, don’t look left or right, look up.

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 14 Sep 20:42 collapse

China is MAGA. SO, no it doesn’t. You’re just racist.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 14 Sep 22:04 collapse

what? this is my first time hearing China is MAGA. that seems patently absurd to me.

i’m just saying MAGA policies have a strong pattern of reinforcing the white supremacist systems of oppression

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 14 Sep 22:05 collapse

You must not hear much.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 14 Sep 22:10 collapse

can you provide some links, i’d love to expand my horizons

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 14 Sep 23:00 collapse

If I honestly thought that you could expand your horizons I would be very interested in describing to you how China shares the same desires for the United States as MAGA has for the United States. But I think you and I both know that you have a much more than casual love for China. You will just have to put the pieces together yourself.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 14 Sep 23:59 collapse

dafuq? i’m saying china is a genocidal imperial regime all the time. i guess if your standard is that anyone who wants to tank the united states is maga i get the joke. just didn’t realize what you were saying

otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Sep 02:25 collapse

Didn’t feed the trolls, citizen. Especially when they can barely get their bot to compose coherent syntax.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 15 Sep 03:48 collapse

yup i’m gonna block now that my soothing adult beverage is wearing off

Zaktor@sopuli.xyz on 14 Sep 21:21 collapse

American MAGAs also don’t really want American greatness if it involves immigrants, minorities, or liberals having a good life there. Their love of America and goals for its greatness are VERY selective, all the way to founding values like freedom of speech, separation of powers, and separation of church and state.

It’s really just fascism. And fascism, for all its claims to be country-first, is an international reactionary effort.

Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Sep 20:03 collapse

They’re all the same bad faith pieces of shit regardless of the names they go by. Sorry you have to deal with these Nazi fucks too, comrade

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 15 Sep 06:10 collapse

look at r/conservative, so much copium going on.

detren@sh.itjust.works on 15 Sep 07:00 next collapse

Absolutely based Paradiso and shameful 013.

Zombie@feddit.uk on 15 Sep 11:14 collapse

Thanks for the second source. The Telegraph is a right wing rag.

givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 19:03 next collapse

The performance was held at the Paradiso Grote Zaal. The venue released a statement on Sunday saying it “believed in the power of artistic freedom”.

“Music – and especially punk – is an art form that traditionally magnifies anger, discontent, and injustice without a filter,” it said.

“In a world on fire, artists sometimes choose language that sounds confrontational or violent.”

Addressing the singer’s calls for the death of IDF troops, the venue said it shared “the outrage and concern surrounding the genocidal violence taking place in Gaza” and that “Bob Vylan’s raising his voice against this is legitimate and necessary”.

Punk has always been anti-fascist because fascists and punks compete for the same follower base, and overlap is unavoidable unless one side draws a very hard line about what’s acceptable.

The fascists want to be able to say whatever they want under 1st amendment, but have always lost their shit when people say the same shit about fascists the fascists say about innumerable target demographics.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 14 Sep 19:58 next collapse

“death death to the idf” =/= “death to idf troops”

and i’m tired of outlets reporting on it like it is. the man was saying the idf is a criminal organization that needs to be resisted and disbanded. yeah, that’s gonna result in some fighting because the idf are a violent and vile organization of oppressors, but in the context, “death death to the idf” is the only reasonable stance…

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net on 15 Sep 03:16 collapse

Has he clarified? Death is specifically a thing that happens to individuals, not organizations, so it does not read this way to me.

chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz on 15 Sep 03:49 next collapse

Death is not specific to individuals.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 15 Sep 03:54 next collapse

IDF is an org though, and he said death to that. it reads pretty clearly as bing about bringing about an end to the org to me an. the other read relies too heavily on a dictionary definition than on the types of allegory rappers engage in. but as you said, maybe that’s just me

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 16 Sep 15:11 collapse

“are millennials killing [insert industry here]?”

blackris@discuss.tchncs.de on 15 Sep 12:02 next collapse

We are not used to venues that make reasonable statements without trying to slither out of every responsibility. This is pretty amazing.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today on 15 Sep 12:52 collapse

NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!

chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 19:24 next collapse

Lynch your leaders.

Naich@lemmings.world on 14 Sep 19:26 next collapse

Good for them.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 14 Sep 19:35 next collapse

So? There is a lot of people who did the same here on lemmy

whiwake@lemmy.cafe on 14 Sep 19:47 collapse

And those people are quality people

Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Sep 19:38 next collapse

Hell yeah

Frog@lemmy.ca on 14 Sep 19:44 next collapse

A pogrom is a violent riot incited with the aim of massacring or expelling an ethnic or religious group, usually applied to attacks on Jews.

Wikipedia: Pogrom

I never seen this word before. I’m going to post it here just in case you haven’t either.

raef@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 05:00 collapse

Good you learned a new word, but maybe take it as a sign you need to read more history

Soulg@ani.social on 15 Sep 12:12 collapse

There’s more to history than just the Holocaust. And j say that as a Jew.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 16 Sep 12:44 collapse

Cool, so I guess people shouldn’t learn what pograms are…?

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krunklom@lemmy.zip on 14 Sep 22:29 next collapse

Based

WanderWisley@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 00:10 next collapse

Hey Charlie have you heard this one? *bang!

CircaV@lemmy.ca on 15 Sep 00:24 next collapse

Mock away, the dude was fash trash.

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 05:56 next collapse

DONT MOCK TOO HARD OR YOURE CENSORED

Anyways, only good nazi is feeding sunflowers.

CircaV@lemmy.ca on 15 Sep 10:38 collapse

TF?! If that happened to you FordBeeblebrox I’m surprised my post (which included verbatim quotes from thumb no-head baby teeth) wasn’t also taken down. 🤷🤷🤷

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 14:33 collapse

Mine was “death death to the IDF,” the slogan Bob Vylan (ya know, the group mentioned in the OP article) was most in the news for recently.

Fucking delete it again and ban me, I ain’t gonna stop chanting it. Just cause it’s a theme song don’t make it not true

CircaV@lemmy.ca on 15 Sep 15:43 collapse

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 15 Sep 15:54 collapse

Is cuma liomsa foc faoi aon Gharda!

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 16 Sep 15:53 collapse

Enjoyer of political violence falls victim to political violence. Oh no! /s

If these guys were themselves pacifists who prided themselves on giving every idea a fair hearing, I guess I would have a problem with any assassinations. As it is, there’s just one side trying to unilaterally manifest a certain level of civility. One that unfortunately doesn’t seem to exist.

Edit: I believe this complies with rule 6. Lack of concern about violence isn’t the same thing as advocacy.

phutatorius@lemmy.zip on 17 Sep 11:54 collapse

Kirk was a promoter of political violence, not just someone who enjoyed it.

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 15 Sep 15:05 next collapse

Well, the Right is trying to make Kirk into a new Horst Wessel figure, so I’m registering this is as a based attempt to keep the Overton Window at its current position.

Free speech, bitches.

phutatorius@lemmy.zip on 16 Sep 11:51 collapse

He needs a more Murican martyr name: Instead of Horst Wessel, how about Horse Asshole.

TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website on 14 Sep 22:00 next collapse

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CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 16 Sep 14:25 next collapse

They’ve really carved out a niche as being just outside the level of militancy that’s politically correct. Punk is back, I guess.

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 16 Sep 14:55 next collapse

There absolutely is justification for violence, political or otherwise. To say there is none is a violators way of ensuring they can continue to violate unchecked. Tagging politics as a motivator for such violence is also a misdirection. Hate is not political, race is not political. What makes them seem political is the fact that they are accepted and pushed by our elected officials. Those officials fully believe they are and should be immune to any repercussions for what they do and say. This belief is what gives them the will to ignore the protests and laws on the books that go against their wishes. What other option does anyone have but to show them in the strongest way possible that they are destroying everything they touch?

phutatorius@lemmy.zip on 17 Sep 11:36 collapse

There absolutely is justification for violence, political or otherwise.

Blessed are they who praise peace, for they shall bury the peacemakers.

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 17 Sep 12:28 collapse

Peace only comes when evil is defeated

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 Sep 15:03 collapse

the post I had commented this on was deleted so I’m going to put it here for no reason.

I hold the following opinions:

political violence is probably a bad idea. this is for multiple reasons, one of which being that it usually doesn’t create the intended effects.
charlie kirk might have been the worst piece of shit commentator of that era. i’m glad he shut the fuck up.
there are a lot of political commentators like him. the benefit of having one less of them is overshadowed by the detriment of the reaction to a political assassination.
his family is the absolute least of my concerns. i don’t think about them at all.