Rottcodd@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 02:38
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There was a time when I would’ve sympathized with and supported the Israelis.
But that was 40,000 murders ago.
jonne@infosec.pub
on 08 Nov 2024 03:08
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Like, why the fuck are they still inviting their football teams to play?
mortimer@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 05:21
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And why the fuck are they in the Europa league? Last I checked Israel was nowhere near Europe. Aren’t they Semitic and from the Middle East? At least they love to use that definition when they shout “antisemitism” at anyone who criticises them. And why are they in the European Song Contest? Anyway, no sympathy. They clearly like violence so let them have it.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 06:49
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And why the fuck are they in the Europa league
Because it wouldn’t be safe for the Israeli teams to play against teams from all the neighboring nations that rightfully despise the actions of their government.
They could stop murdering innocent people all the time, but losing to European teams instead of ones from the middle east is easier and more profitable.
And why are they in the European Song Contest?
In a word? Corruption. In two words: BLATANT corruption.
mortimer@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 08:12
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Well, looks like it’s not safe for them to play against European teams now too. What a shame.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 08:56
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On the one hand, innocent athletes and fans shouldn’t be punished for the actions of the government.
On the other hand, though, odds are that almost all of them support the atrocities or have actively contributed to them up to and including murdering, raping, and torturing innocent civilians. So fuck em.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Nov 2024 08:25
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Become a good neighbor? Nah, I’ll go play with my friends in another neighborhood and be an ass to them as well.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 08:57
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EXACTLY. I don’t know if the people downvoting me are salty Zionists or confused fellow anti-zionists lol
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu
on 08 Nov 2024 08:38
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The Eurovision has plenty of non-European members (Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Georgia, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Turkey).
HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 11:50
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This is legit the first time I’ve heard of Cyprus not being European
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu
on 08 Nov 2024 20:53
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Cyprus is in Asia but it’s a EU member.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world
on 09 Nov 2024 00:38
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A 30-year-old Maccabi Tel Aviv fan describes the moments of horror: “I finished a four-month reserve in Gaza, and what I experienced here is no less scary. There is a war out here. They ran over me and pulled a knife on me. I am slightly injured, but I am not ready to receive treatment here, only in Israel. We were ambushed. I’m in the market. I saw with my own eyes children who were caught in explosions. They are everywhere. No police, complete chaos. Everything was pre-planned. The police here abandoned us. Every fourth person walking the street is a Muslim who has come to attack Jews. Me and several hundred other fans are surrounded in the hotel, the police don’t allow us to leave. They just want to fly home.”
Wonder what he did in those 4 months. I bet you it was a lot worse than what he got here.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca
on 08 Nov 2024 03:43
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You reap what you fucking sow.
LotrOrc@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 04:03
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It was probably scarier because there he was just bombing people with drones and airstrikes and from within tanks and this time he actually was just by himself with no giant guns around
Ioughttamow@fedia.io
on 08 Nov 2024 03:45
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Sounds like he was in the IDF. Captain Hyperbole
Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Nov 2024 04:03
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They literally ran through the streets ripping and burning Palestinian flags and shouting pro genocide chants one day ago. They’re scum.
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 06:05
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Yes I’ve not had good experiences with Israeli sports fans, they take it much too seriously.
blackn1ght@feddit.uk
on 08 Nov 2024 09:34
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I think that’s football fans in general to be honest.
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 10:12
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These were basketball fans, and for a completely unimportant match. It was quite incongruous with the atmosphere in the venue and the attitude of the other team’s fans. Very weird!
blackn1ght@feddit.uk
on 08 Nov 2024 10:20
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Such people aren’t fans of the sport, they go primarilly to cause trouble in a group.
shoulderoforion@fedia.io
on 08 Nov 2024 04:07
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bullshit
Geobloke@lemm.ee
on 08 Nov 2024 06:55
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I believe you, but i can’t find anything on that. All the searches just refer to the violence in this story
Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Nov 2024 07:00
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No news outlet is going to report on that but there are videos of the racist and pro genocide chants. Amsterdam has a large Palestinian community in which many people have family members that were murdered by those IDF pigs.
Scolding7300@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 07:50
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Definitely quite a bit of hooligans, not an excuse for violence imo
Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Nov 2024 10:34
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It keeps baffling me how Dutch media is even more biased towards *srael than *sraeli media. But it’s probably because Dutch people would actually be shocked to read it while most *sraeli’s probably support the racism.
shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Nov 2024 09:25
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Absolutely this. I saw the videos first and read newspaper articles later. Nowhere in the articles did they mention the chants and the ripping off of flags, I saw both in those videos. It’s crazy how even violent hooligans are now portrayed as victims just because it fits the narrative.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 08 Nov 2024 09:45
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An Arab taxi driver was also attacked by mobs who appeared to be with the Israeli fans, although police said they couldn’t identify the nationality of the attackers as no arrests were made.
A group of Israeli fans gathered in the Dam Square on Wednesday were filmed sparking confrontations with locals, shouting “Fuck you” at some of them and “Fuck you Palestine”.
Why is there so much nationalism at a club match...
Scolding7300@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 07:52
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I always thought sports fans could do lots of dumb shit
Maalus@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 08:47
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There is a specific kind of person that is able to go see a team playing so far away, and that kind usually is also nationalistic as fuck. Some exceptions of course, but the vast majority will always be POS’s
shoulderoforion@fedia.io
on 08 Nov 2024 07:08
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antisemitism
shoulderoforion@fedia.io
on 08 Nov 2024 04:43
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Israelis should be able to attend sporting events, and cheer on their team internationally, just like everyone else, without the fear of violence.
Klnsfw@lemmynsfw.com
on 08 Nov 2024 07:30
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You’re right, belonging to a country that’s committing genocide shouldn’t stop you having fun.
As a Frenchman, I’m proud to know that we organized concerts and plays in Paris in the 40s to entertain the poor Nazi soldiers who had seen so many horrors.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 07:39
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Maybe start by respecting palestinians right to exist and live, before arguing about the right to attend sports
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Nov 2024 09:20
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I feel soooo bad for a bunch of genocide supporters /s
febra@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 11:39
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They shouldn’t even be allowed to travel to Europe for their genocide support.
Iceblade02@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 12:20
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What an utter disgrace. Such barbaric behaviour has no place in a civilized society.
NeuronautML@lemmy.ml
on 08 Nov 2024 12:53
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Hopefully, the European powers that be will start realizing that Israel isn’t a part of us and we don’t want that Zionist hatred on our streets. Maybe leave it in Israel next time and behave in a civilized manner. Honestly, i don’t want to see football with them or Eurovision with them either.
I’d be ashamed every day if i had to wake up as an Israeli. What a disgrace of a people. Judaism will always have a place in modern Europe but anti Palestinian sentiment does not and i wonder how much longer until both the powers that be and the international community at large realizes European leadership and the European people are not of the same mind when it comes to Israel.
archomrade@midwest.social
on 08 Nov 2024 13:04
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bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Nov 2024 13:23
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Gonna have to see those videos
MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Nov 2024 13:17
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The only stories about this I’ve seen on Lemmy take a very pro-Israel perspective. Have the Israelis started doing to Lemmy what they’ve done to Reddit?
NBC’s coverage, as an alternative, says this immediately after it’s opening statement:
Videos circulating on social media showed violence in the city’s streets, with one video geolocated by NBC News to near Amsterdam’s central station appearing to show people chasing others and physically assaulting them. Separate video geolocated by NBC News showed Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Amsterdam singing “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF win. We will f*** the Arabs,” as well as tearing down a Palestinian flag.
…which clarifies that the attack was the people of Europe showing that unlike their governments, they do not tolerate genocidal apartheid supporters.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 13:41
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The woman quoted by NBC on twitter literally states the video is of Israeli supporters beating up someone.
NBC and Reuters somehow spin this into Israelis being attacked.
DarthJon@lemmy.world
on 08 Nov 2024 15:48
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Right, because we all know mainstream media like the BBC isn’t biased. This is the same news organization that published an article complaining about the environmental impact of the IDF whereas the Hamas rockets are much better for the environment. Fucking joke.
MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Nov 2024 16:01
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What does this have to do with BBC? Their coverage on the Israeli hooligans had headlines that at a glance made the responses of locals sound anti-Semitic; they didn’t lead with the instigation.
Count042@lemmy.ml
on 08 Nov 2024 15:15
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This is the funniest cope I’ve ever seen for ‘my countries ultras tried to start shit with non-football hooligans and got their asses kicked.’
Fighting people who aren’t women and children without total air superiority isn’t that easy, is it?
The video evidence is already out. Plus basically every European knows what an ultra is, and will look at the number of injured and comment “wow, that is lower then normal”
This is just ultras who got their asses kicked and are trying to claim victim status.
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There was a time when I would’ve sympathized with and supported the Israelis.
But that was 40,000 murders ago.
Like, why the fuck are they still inviting their football teams to play?
And why the fuck are they in the Europa league? Last I checked Israel was nowhere near Europe. Aren’t they Semitic and from the Middle East? At least they love to use that definition when they shout “antisemitism” at anyone who criticises them. And why are they in the European Song Contest? Anyway, no sympathy. They clearly like violence so let them have it.
Because it wouldn’t be safe for the Israeli teams to play against teams from all the neighboring nations that rightfully despise the actions of their government.
They could stop murdering innocent people all the time, but losing to European teams instead of ones from the middle east is easier and more profitable.
In a word? Corruption. In two words: BLATANT corruption.
Well, looks like it’s not safe for them to play against European teams now too. What a shame.
On the one hand, innocent athletes and fans shouldn’t be punished for the actions of the government.
On the other hand, though, odds are that almost all of them support the atrocities or have actively contributed to them up to and including murdering, raping, and torturing innocent civilians. So fuck em.
Become a good neighbor? Nah, I’ll go play with my friends in another neighborhood and be an ass to them as well.
EXACTLY. I don’t know if the people downvoting me are salty Zionists or confused fellow anti-zionists lol
The Eurovision has plenty of non-European members (Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Georgia, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Turkey).
This is legit the first time I’ve heard of Cyprus not being European
Cyprus is in Asia but it’s a EU member.
Israel has become the Nazis
Wonder what he did in those 4 months. I bet you it was a lot worse than what he got here.
You reap what you fucking sow.
It was probably scarier because there he was just bombing people with drones and airstrikes and from within tanks and this time he actually was just by himself with no giant guns around
Sounds like he was in the IDF. Captain Hyperbole
They literally ran through the streets ripping and burning Palestinian flags and shouting pro genocide chants one day ago. They’re scum.
Yes I’ve not had good experiences with Israeli sports fans, they take it much too seriously.
I think that’s football fans in general to be honest.
These were basketball fans, and for a completely unimportant match. It was quite incongruous with the atmosphere in the venue and the attitude of the other team’s fans. Very weird!
Such people aren’t fans of the sport, they go primarilly to cause trouble in a group.
bullshit
I believe you, but i can’t find anything on that. All the searches just refer to the violence in this story
https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1854701760385872270
No news outlet is going to report on that but there are videos of the racist and pro genocide chants. Amsterdam has a large Palestinian community in which many people have family members that were murdered by those IDF pigs.
Definitely quite a bit of hooligans, not an excuse for violence imo
fighting back against hooligans who pillage and rampage through the streets is not justified?
How is running after individuals and beating them up that may have had nothing to do with this group is justified?
timesofisrael.com/…/video-footage-shows-israeli-s…
At least Times of Israel picked it up.
It keeps baffling me how Dutch media is even more biased towards *srael than *sraeli media. But it’s probably because Dutch people would actually be shocked to read it while most *sraeli’s probably support the racism.
Hey, just wanted to let you know that it’s being published on national news here in Australia
amp.abc.net.au/article/104580470
Absolutely this. I saw the videos first and read newspaper articles later. Nowhere in the articles did they mention the chants and the ripping off of flags, I saw both in those videos. It’s crazy how even violent hooligans are now portrayed as victims just because it fits the narrative.
The Israel supporters also beat up a cab driver.
An Arab taxi driver was also attacked by mobs who appeared to be with the Israeli fans, although police said they couldn’t identify the nationality of the attackers as no arrests were made.
A group of Israeli fans gathered in the Dam Square on Wednesday were filmed sparking confrontations with locals, shouting “Fuck you” at some of them and “Fuck you Palestine”.
If anyone wants to know what kind of people they are, this shows it. They believe themselves superior to anyone and they extend empathy to no one.
Thoughts and prayers.
Only a small portion of the kind of welcome Israelis deserve everywhere they go.
Why is there so much nationalism at a club match...
I always thought sports fans could do lots of dumb shit
There is a specific kind of person that is able to go see a team playing so far away, and that kind usually is also nationalistic as fuck. Some exceptions of course, but the vast majority will always be POS’s
antisemitism
Israelis should be able to attend sporting events, and cheer on their team internationally, just like everyone else, without the fear of violence.
You’re right, belonging to a country that’s committing genocide shouldn’t stop you having fun.
As a Frenchman, I’m proud to know that we organized concerts and plays in Paris in the 40s to entertain the poor Nazi soldiers who had seen so many horrors.
Maybe start by respecting palestinians right to exist and live, before arguing about the right to attend sports
Yep, but should they provoke the palestinian community oversea, they deserved to be hated.
I feel soooo bad for a bunch of genocide supporters /s
They shouldn’t even be allowed to travel to Europe for their genocide support.
What an utter disgrace. Such barbaric behaviour has no place in a civilized society.
Hopefully, the European powers that be will start realizing that Israel isn’t a part of us and we don’t want that Zionist hatred on our streets. Maybe leave it in Israel next time and behave in a civilized manner. Honestly, i don’t want to see football with them or Eurovision with them either.
I’d be ashamed every day if i had to wake up as an Israeli. What a disgrace of a people. Judaism will always have a place in modern Europe but anti Palestinian sentiment does not and i wonder how much longer until both the powers that be and the international community at large realizes European leadership and the European people are not of the same mind when it comes to Israel.
Hmmm
<img alt="" src="https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/b026f6e8-4c1e-432b-9ac0-593db3aa5c7d.jpeg">
Gonna have to see those videos
The only stories about this I’ve seen on Lemmy take a very pro-Israel perspective. Have the Israelis started doing to Lemmy what they’ve done to Reddit?
NBC’s coverage, as an alternative, says this immediately after it’s opening statement:
…which clarifies that the attack was the people of Europe showing that unlike their governments, they do not tolerate genocidal apartheid supporters.
The woman quoted by NBC on twitter literally states the video is of Israeli supporters beating up someone.
NBC and Reuters somehow spin this into Israelis being attacked.
This is absolute insanity.
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Yeah, even NBC’s headline isn’t great. But at least it doesn’t open with bogus “antisemitism” wording.
You need to read some general media sources that aren’t part of your ethnocultural nationalist colonialist bubble.
Right, because we all know mainstream media like the BBC isn’t biased. This is the same news organization that published an article complaining about the environmental impact of the IDF whereas the Hamas rockets are much better for the environment. Fucking joke.
What does this have to do with BBC? Their coverage on the Israeli hooligans had headlines that at a glance made the responses of locals sound anti-Semitic; they didn’t lead with the instigation.
This is the funniest cope I’ve ever seen for ‘my countries ultras tried to start shit with non-football hooligans and got their asses kicked.’
Fighting people who aren’t women and children without total air superiority isn’t that easy, is it?
The video evidence is already out. Plus basically every European knows what an ultra is, and will look at the number of injured and comment “wow, that is lower then normal”
This is just ultras who got their asses kicked and are trying to claim victim status.
These screen grabs are so obviously fake. How can you actually cite them as sources?
How are they “so obviously fake”?
A few notes (in red)
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Well, if they are chanting “Death to Arabs” then wtf did they think would happen? Nothing?
Considering there’s a lot of Morocco Arabs in the Netherlands, that’s a bold move for sure.
If you go to another country you should have respect above all. Fuck around and find out! Love me the dutch!
You’re not going to find the truth in anything that OP is posting.