from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 13 Mar 01:38
https://lemmy.world/post/44186644
Trump is now caught in the oldest trap of modern warfare – believing a swift, surgical military operation will yield quick, enduring political results. The Soviets did it in Afghanistan; the US in Iraq in 2003; Putin did it in Ukraine, and is still fighting. Whatever force a military fails or succeeds in applying at the start, the people it is attacking have greater commitment to defending their lands and homes.
The White House may have rushed into this, seizing the opportunity for a decapitation strike, provided by Israeli intelligence. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has very different objectives regionally, and a long US involvement against Tehran suits his desire for an Iran in rolling collapse that is no longer a threat. But the death of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei on February 28 has caused as many problems as it has solved.
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You opened this can of worms, now lie in it.
He’s already choking in them too.
And imo, ofcourse he can end this whenever he wants to. Strategically and morally this operation makes zero sense. Not that anything he’s said or un-said, or started and or ( never) ended ever did. And no, I don’t think Iranians will come better out of this. It’s another humanitarian disaster in the making. He’s a destructive asshole. # edit Iran not Iraq ofc.
And probably Iranians won’t, either. ;-)
Oeps… will correct. Might have something to with my déjà vu. smh
The intent was clear, I just like poking fun at typos. <3
He won’t, he’ll be long dead and we all have to live with the consequences
I don’t see why he’d want it to stop. He’s been actively destroying the US for the overwhelming majority of his presidency. If he benefits the US at large, it’s major news to me. A stone rolling downhill shouldn’t be news.
Generally what happens when you start a forever war.
It’s the only thing Republicans do other than taxcuts for the rich and fucking up the economy.
No no, they also fuck something else!
Won’t somebody think of the children
Oh, we’re thinking of the children 😉 - Republicans
Fuck them kids!
Oh buddy, you have no idea how much those kids are getting fucked. - Republicans
He’s going to bomb until he’s bored and then stop. That’s why it’s going to be air only (maybe ground special ops), air only is easy to stop. Well the US part is easy to stop, then it’s when does Iran stop.
Iran seems to making it clear they will not be stopping soon, regardless of what Trump does. Trump has been trying to send Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner back in for “negotiations” (they were in the middle of “negotiations” when Trump attacked), but the Iranians have said “fuck no, it’s too late.”
It'd be funny if Iran invited Kushner for negotiations and then killed him.
Well, "funny" for certain particularly dark styles of humour, I suppose. And probably not very productive. But turnabout is fair play, eh?
Idk, seems like a win-win
I suspect all it would really accomplish would be to get Trump to double down even harder, possibly pulling the trigger on even more extreme and wantonly destructive attacks. And I have absolutely no expectation that there are checks and balances that would stop them.
So not worth it simply for the sake of doing the funniest thing.
It’s clear the trump admin doesn’t care for anything other than political/popular “wins"(and hurting people/making money), especially after failing to meet their objectives. I’m sure he would talk it up but it would only justify the actions they will take anyways.
“His own morals”.
You chopped my sentence in half when quoting it and reversed its meaning 180 degrees in the process.
Trump can leave, but then everybody knows for sure the USA and Trump despite all the military hardware and billions are weak and can’t force anybody, can’t keep trade going and doesn’t have any allies left to help out. You just need some backbone and cheap drones.
It turns out parasitic war profiteers like the military industrial complex don’t actually make you strong, they just make you violent and take all your money.
They can have him, and his entire cabinet and advisors.
I’d even consider all of Congress and the Supreme Court for dessert. Then we can just start over.
I dunno about all of Congress. Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, Corey Bush, and Rashida Talib have stood against the regime since day 1. They shouldn’t have to be handed over.
It’s almost like there was some sort of reason why no one else was stupid enough to do this.
I hope it hangs around the neck of every feckless congressperson that votes not to keep their constitutional powers
i am no expert on the subject, but it seems that this time Americans citizens will experience war beyond the occasional terrorist attack in their soil
Not sure what you mean
Thanks for letting everyone know you’re bigoted, evil, and bloodthirsty
Bigoted agaist americans? Yeah, guilty. Bloodthirsty? Only in the way the i appreciate that the biggest threat to the world gets a little bit of their own medicine.
Ah yes all the “bad” bigots are only bad because they don’t have an excuse to be bigots.
I don’t need an excuse, I simply want to see the US gone or at least in flames - and I am honest and open about it.
But you have an excuse. See it’s okay for you to wish death on innocent people because of where they were born. You’re good dude. Everyone understands.
Its the same excuse (if it is one) your people (I guess?) used to bomb my grandparents in the Ruhr Valley and the parents of my wife in Hanoi.
Yes, TrickDacy is famously in the family of every warmongering US president.
“I’m not a hypocrite because I can pretend you are!”
Yeah, I’m not hoping for innocent strangers to be murdered. I’d have to be a lot more fucked up in the head than I am to hope for that.
In what way? They will experience it in the form of rising fuel prices, sure.
yes, and will trickle down to price increase in other things exponentially
No, that’s not clear at all. Unless you want to promote this from creepy conjecture to pointing out anything of substance…
Also the heritage foundation, and people like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon.
Israel said that it worked for them, and all they want is sufficient disruption to continue their own invasions. Trump is the fool for so so many reasons.
Israel needs lebensraum.
Remember the last world leader who said it’ll be over in a few days…..
This is a great point. It’s like the super powers of the worlds leaders, just thinks its a 1+1 = 2 scenario with war. Because they are so far up their own arses, they can’t see any further than their own stool…
Yeah, we know. It's one of the (many) reasons we didn't want this.
I love how now the Israel is blamed for the US failures.
Given how rarely any corpo media holds their feet to the fire, that’s almost more interesting than whether it’s true.
Israel is the result of failure from both the US and the UK. Pretty much the same as the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Both are at fault.
It’s a joint failure. Israel is also to blame, as is often the case with US interventionism.
Trump, as an individual may not have a way out. Remember, Epstein was Mossad-trained and probably shared a lot of useful dirt with Israel.
But there is always a path to peace; and in this case it starts with the US backing off. Iran doesn’t have much capacity for war beyond protecting itself.
Exactly the same as how there’s a way for Russia to have peace in Ukraine.
The implication I haven’t seen explicitly mentioned in the article (which it should be! Bad article) is “there is no way for Trump to stop the war without losing face and thus his power”.
The reason they keep going is because otherwise they have to admit they were wrong. And probably not only wrong, but knowingly wrong, which equals malicious. And admitting that you’re malicious is bad, even with your most loyal supporters. The only way to not have that happen is to just keep going and act as if everything is fine, which is what’s happening.
The actual “path to peace” is very very simple, you just have to retreat your troops. It’s supremely unlikely Iran will attack halfway around the globe with their infrastructure.
They’ve backed on tons of things before without admitting any wrongdoing, I don’t see how this is different
basically what I was trying to get at. But I’m not sure that it’s a matter of losing face, and rather that Netanyahu is holding some damning evidence (of the epstein files variety) over him.
as mentioned on other posts, the easiest way to deal with blackmail material is to just release it all.
I don’t know if just stopping the attack is going to work this time. Iran was significantly attacked and will want some form of retribution in order to remind the USA to never do this again.
The USA and Israel will need to pay costs for peace.
The last time someone succeeded at that, it made the USA even worse.
I’m willing to bet this is Trumps and by extension America’s 3 day special operation. And I mean that down to the expectation this would all be over in 3-4 days after the extensive bombing and killing of the upper leadership in the first day.
Instead Iran was all “nah we’re good, we’ve been preparing for this day for 15-20 years”. And started fucking up the whole region.
This war can go on for years… so you are possible right.
This dude started presidency with zero major crises, and has created at least three.
that’s like guessing how many jelly beans are in a jar.
there’s at least three!
Idk what you’re talking g about, he started with multiple crises and has only made them worse: climate change, health insurance, student loans, genocide in Gaza, etc.
Biden was nearly as incompetent and evil as Trump, he just hid it better and occasionally threw us a bone.
The
personpeople who down voted you went out to brunch the whole Biden administration.“We’ll push him left after the election!”
Don’t forget the Ukraine war and the ongoing social, health and economic consequences of the pandemic.
Trump is a dumb, racist, idiotic pile of pedophile shit, but US wasn’t doing great before him either.
I mean, he could stop the war tomorrow by handing himself over to the Iranian authorities.
That fat cunt is unable to keep it’s trousers clean from it’s own shit.
So how the fuck anyone thinks that that waffling pile of dementia riddled syphilis can unfuck the murdering of schoolgirls in this Epstein war is laughable at best.
The plan was to distract from the Epstein files at any means necessary.
EVERY war ever fought was going to be over in a month with an overwhelming victory, and yet, it NEVER happens.
Except in the first US gulf war, back in the early 90s. (Kuwait was attacked by Iraq. The USA spent months preparing and then three days attacking. Then stopped when Iraq surrendered.)
Or the fall of the USSR. (Happened in about a month, no major fighting.)
Or the Russian annexation of Crimea.
It isn’t that short military exercises never yield results. It’s that wars persist until both attacker and defender believe peace is the best tactic.
The USA bombing a country for whom fighting the USA is essentially their national myth is possibly the dumbest thing that my country has ever done.
War is a choice, he could end it right now.
He can choose to no longer shoot at Iran, but he can not make Iran stop shooting at the US. It takes only one site to keep a war going.
The Middle East has been in constant threats and instability for the past century.
Donny boy has been living peacefully golfing and surrounded by yes men.
He’s kicked a lot of bee hives.
Good thing Iran has never struck at the US then. Although “good” might not be appropriate at this point.
I know the first thing I would do is stop shooting at the nation that bombed and killed my family and 100+ kids because they stopped first.
We have radicalized an entire nation against the US for no reason anyone can actually explain. The only thing we taught every nation is that we can bomb you and take your leaders captive if you do not have nukes.
Not just a nation, a whole region. We did commit genocides in Afghanistan and Iraq too.
Modern? Nobody remembers the blitzkrieg?
Of course he cannot stop it now. The world and it’s history is way bigger than the current blip that is trump.
Iran gets a vote.
And that’s it. This war is going to at least last through November because Iran now wants to hurt Donald politically.
Calling it now, when striking military targets fails to get surrender, we will switch to war crimes, Israel and then the US will start hitting water, food, and transportation infrastructure.
The only way to get victory from this war is genocide.
Uh, y’all already all in on that.
This war?
Because bombing a school isn’t a war crime in the US. It’s just a Tuesday
It’s not a war crime is it’s the first time.
Wonder what new horrors the torment nexus can cook up.
And we know the Zionists are intensely relaxed about perpetrating genocide.
We blew up a school. It was war crimes from the start.
right out of the gate!
You’re about 2 weeks too late for that, US&Israel have committed multiple war crimes already.
They already have been. I know that at least one water desalination plant was hit. Civilian fuel infrastructure has been hit. The US openly stated they’re going to try to cripple their industrial capacity. Seems the US has adopted Israel’s Dahiya doctrine which targets civilian infrastructure. I think Trump said once the US is done there will be nobody left to surrender…
“At some point I don’t think there will be anybody left, maybe to say ‘we surrender.’ They’re being decimated.”
Correction: the war Netanyahu started, and Trump followed along with
The man isn’t even able to prevent himself from shitting his pants.
The only thing « they » won is a larger distraction from the Epstein files of a pedophile president.
Yeah real odd the timing of this attack is the same day they released evidence of him diddling kids…
The US started this war decades ago. The “Cold War” did not end, it was merely renamed “Peace”.
How did the Iraq war yield quick results? Wasn’t the U.S. military there for like 9 years?
The military collapsed in a matter of days. Yet the conflict didn’t end for years, which is the whole premise of the article and every conflict mentioned.
Ah, so you’re talking about the benefits we reap after the dust settles following the initial military actions.
That makes more sense, admittedly I did skim.
This will end the same as every other middle east conflict. We destroy the government and make 12 new terrorist organizations. But they keep trying to cut the heads off a hydra.
Because the entire army went home, the US wouldn’t allow them to work in security, fired many of those that were working in security, and then did a big ole surprise Pikachu when the army just kind of became an insurgency.
“Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please” - Niccolo Machiavelli
Well, now we all know what happens when you make a felon rapist pedo the most influential person on the planet.
That would be funny if it were not for all the dead people he will create as a result.