SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Jan 08:32
nextcollapse
They’re learning the hard way that it’s a big club, and we ain’t in it. Rooting out corruption is hard because you basically have to have people to replace literally every person in government literally immediately. Also, you have to make sure those new people can’t be bribed or threatened into complicity. Trying to rely on people who seem to have good credentials isn’t a solution if they’re still surrounded by corruption at every level. How are the small number of trustworthy people going to handle an endless stream of corruption running interference and doing their damnedest to make sure no one is held accountable.
Maybe the old battle cry “don’t trust anyone over 30” wasn’t so wrong at all. Anyone who is already invested in the system as it exists probably can’t be truly trusted to get the job done.
No one of any age can be trusted with power, it’s that simple. Power corrupts. I’ve seen as little power as being a discord moderator go to people’s head.
The only way out of our problems is to permenently abolish the state and all forms of heirarchical authority and power, and move human civilization to a flat structure, where we all co-operate instead of trying to climb over eachother
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Jan 11:35
collapse
I am pro-decentralization but the problem I always come to is education: education is inherently a power discrepancy where on person must teach another something. Some people are just bad at teaching, so leaving education in the hands of just anyone means you end up with less educated population, and a less educated population can’t be counted on to be independent enough to be a reliable citizen that can contribute competently, which perpetuates the cycle even further if the uneducated are expected to teach the uneducated. Flat structure is a noble goal, but I’m not sure we’ll ever truly be able to escape power discrepancies existing at all. Children are simply at mercy of the people educating them. Like you said, power corrupts, and plenty of people use that power over children toward selfish and controlling ends.
There are always going to be differences in power in human relations, I am a big strong bear boi, if I am in a relationship with a scrawny little nerd, I could beat him up.
We need a world that recognizes this reality and does everything possible to ensure that there is a very low limit to the amount of power that a single person can accumulate.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Jan 20:43
collapse
We need a world that recognizes this reality and does everything possible to ensure that there is a very low limit to the amount of power that a single person can accumulate.
And how do you achieve that in a flat structure? That’s basically relying on local communities to all be self-correcting which feels to me like that hippie shit “why can’t we all just hold hands and get along.” Oh I don’t know because some people are going to grow up into Nazis and I am not sure that in itself is a solvable problem about humanity.
Small communities are more likely to make exceptions for people they know closely. Like church groups absolving abusive men in the clergy and grouping around them to pray for them. Groups allowed to self police rarely police themselves successfully.
So to me it sounds like you need power structures to help control the populace and stop them from doing that, and power structures invite corruption.
Through a social revolution. I do not believe that a flat structure can ever be built by a hierarchical structure, because those in power will always cling on to their power. Power corrupts. Anarchism recognizes and takes this fact into account in how we achieve our aims, rather than denying the realities of human nature.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world
on 07 Jan 11:02
nextcollapse
That’s close-minded. Many people are motivated to improve the world beginning with their immediate environment without having any special attachment to their environment. I’m sorry if you wouldn’t be, but don’t put that on all of us.
This thing is less than a hand full of short paragraphs long and talks about a single regretful GenZ who lost his leg during the protest and expected immediate change. Re-elections are in March.
threaded - newest
They’re learning the hard way that it’s a big club, and we ain’t in it. Rooting out corruption is hard because you basically have to have people to replace literally every person in government literally immediately. Also, you have to make sure those new people can’t be bribed or threatened into complicity. Trying to rely on people who seem to have good credentials isn’t a solution if they’re still surrounded by corruption at every level. How are the small number of trustworthy people going to handle an endless stream of corruption running interference and doing their damnedest to make sure no one is held accountable.
Maybe the old battle cry “don’t trust anyone over 30” wasn’t so wrong at all. Anyone who is already invested in the system as it exists probably can’t be truly trusted to get the job done.
Anyway, quite tragic and I feel for them.
No one of any age can be trusted with power, it’s that simple. Power corrupts. I’ve seen as little power as being a discord moderator go to people’s head.
The only way out of our problems is to permenently abolish the state and all forms of heirarchical authority and power, and move human civilization to a flat structure, where we all co-operate instead of trying to climb over eachother
I am pro-decentralization but the problem I always come to is education: education is inherently a power discrepancy where on person must teach another something. Some people are just bad at teaching, so leaving education in the hands of just anyone means you end up with less educated population, and a less educated population can’t be counted on to be independent enough to be a reliable citizen that can contribute competently, which perpetuates the cycle even further if the uneducated are expected to teach the uneducated. Flat structure is a noble goal, but I’m not sure we’ll ever truly be able to escape power discrepancies existing at all. Children are simply at mercy of the people educating them. Like you said, power corrupts, and plenty of people use that power over children toward selfish and controlling ends.
There are always going to be differences in power in human relations, I am a big strong bear boi, if I am in a relationship with a scrawny little nerd, I could beat him up.
We need a world that recognizes this reality and does everything possible to ensure that there is a very low limit to the amount of power that a single person can accumulate.
And how do you achieve that in a flat structure? That’s basically relying on local communities to all be self-correcting which feels to me like that hippie shit “why can’t we all just hold hands and get along.” Oh I don’t know because some people are going to grow up into Nazis and I am not sure that in itself is a solvable problem about humanity.
Small communities are more likely to make exceptions for people they know closely. Like church groups absolving abusive men in the clergy and grouping around them to pray for them. Groups allowed to self police rarely police themselves successfully.
So to me it sounds like you need power structures to help control the populace and stop them from doing that, and power structures invite corruption.
Through a social revolution. I do not believe that a flat structure can ever be built by a hierarchical structure, because those in power will always cling on to their power. Power corrupts. Anarchism recognizes and takes this fact into account in how we achieve our aims, rather than denying the realities of human nature.
That’s close-minded. Many people are motivated to improve the world beginning with their immediate environment without having any special attachment to their environment. I’m sorry if you wouldn’t be, but don’t put that on all of us.
Sorry, I mean patriotism and my brain is stupid about words.
Informed patriotism is fine, nationalism is always bad though.
Sorry, I’m an idiot - I meant patriotism. My facepalm is a full body move.
It’s all good but it’s wild how much those two words change the tone of your comment, it’s like the mr incredible meme, patriotism 🙂 nationalism 🫥
This thing is less than a hand full of short paragraphs long and talks about a single regretful GenZ who lost his leg during the protest and expected immediate change. Re-elections are in March.