Zelenskyy: Russia no longer exports but imports petrol and that's our achievement
(www.pravda.com.ua)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 10:53
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 10:53
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stated that Russia is importing petrol, calling it the rightful result of the work of the Security Service, the Armed Forces, intelligence and Ukrainian weapons manufacturers.
Quote: "Today, there were also reports on our entirely justified strikes against Russian targets – against their logistics and fuel infrastructure. I am grateful to our warriors for their precision. Russia chooses war, Russia destroys our people’s lives, and must be held accountable – our long-range capabilities will increase.
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Time to focus on other parts of their infrastructure.
Nah. This works. It’s a good focus to keep.
And putin. Someone should take that fuck out.
Not for lack of trying I’m sure, but he’s a paranoid little fucker.
Didn’t he have a bunker somewhere no one know? Unless someone he trusted do it, there’s no way to be close to him to actually do it.
Being such a midget runt, makes him a hard target LOL.
Effectively Ukraine is doing more to help the US economy than its own Executive Branch.
Executive branch is too busy orchestrating a genocide
While being the chief supplier and apologist for another.
Effectively Ukraine is doing more to lessen the production of petrol than any other country.
We also have most of our thermal power firebombed by ruskies, so biggest part of our energy generation is nuclear and renewables now. Yay ecology!
The first carbon neutral war since the invention of gun powder.
Nuclear sucks tho. Too expensive, shitty when bombed, requires mining and still no way to deal with the trash. (Lemmy nuclear bootsuckers please save yourself the energy to talk about reactors reusing the trash. They are experimental and dont produce energy yet)
I wouldn’t necessarily agree with all that, but one thing’s still clear - I’d rather not have nuclear power in country with that monkey with grenade of a neighbour that is Russia.
I think they might have increased air pollution in the short term.
Did they even say thank you?
I want to live to see the day where JD Vance is forced, on his hands and knees, to say thank you.
Ukraine is a front line for the entire West. Of course it helps the US. It has taken donny 10 years to understand what anyone can read from a wiki article in less than an hour.
^donny…understand
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The US economy? How do you figure that?
Isn’t Russian economy based mainly on oil export? If that’s true, then it should collapse soon. I a little bit doubt that it’ll actually happen soon, though.
They’re still exporting but it’s crude oil instead of refined product now so a lot less profitable.
They’re exporting crude on the cheap (due to sanctions) and buying back market rate refined fuels. They’re losing twice on it.
Russia has a moderately high cost of production and transportation for oil, so yeah, they’re not making easy money selling crude.
It’s hard to get definite info from there, but some experts* say the economy is way worse off than what they show the West.
OTOH China is helping them…
* and I mean that unironically.
That’s quite probable. Also even help from China is probably not sustainable. Let’s hope it crumbles, the sooner the better.
It looks to me like China isn’t really interested in helping Russia win. They are helping Russia just enough to keep fighting and throwing away, well, everything.
It becomes fairly obvious when you think about what the likely effects would be.
Let’s say Russia achieves all it’s military obejctevies; they crush the Ukrainian military, the remaining civilian population offers an unconditional surrender, and Russia is able to completely annex Ukraine. Then what?
Then China’s biggest and most powerful neighbor would be even bigger and more powerful. Once hostilities ceased, Russia would slowly be able to start selling oil to the rest of the world again so China wouldn’t get as good a deal and the negotiations on Power of Siberia would get more complicated.
Where is the upside for China?
China has been watching go try to get an impression of the west’s reaction to the invasion. They want to be able to predict what will happen when they go into Taiwan.
Roll over, or full blown shooting war with the USA?
Delusional, China will simply wait out the impending collapse of the US and the ensuing end of our support for the current Taiwanese regime, after which peaceful reunification will be an inevitability. The US desperately wants China to do something stupid, as a justification for our aggressive foreign policy & to generate international support/repair our damaged reputation, which is exactly why they won’t.
It’s comical that so many people believe that the CCP is led by wise visionaries rather than power-mad, corrupt gangsters who cling to power by any means available to them, and are constantly shit-scared that their own people will someday see how much they’ve been conned and rise up against them.
Doesn’t take a visionary to outwit the US lol, all they have to do is stay the course they’ve been following for decades. This is pure projection.
Why would China need Russia to win in Ukraine to gauge the West’s reaction? They’ve already seen the reaction to an invasion.
China has repeatedly shown that they have a much better tool against Taiwan than an invasion. Every time they want to rattle their sabre at Taiwan they blockade the entire island. They’ve done it many times and nobody does anything about it. Nobody has any realistic proposals on what they would do about it. Taiwan is a very densely populated island. It will run out of just about everything very quickly.
Much of far eastern ruzzia has original chinese names. If anyone thinks China wants Taiwan back, how do you think they feel about Far Eastern ruzzia? LOL. China is just waiting for ruzzia to finish exhausting themselves, and then maybe ruzzia won’t be the biggest country by land mass anymore. Siberia, and a big chunk of the Arctic also hold much allure for the chinese. Japan should grab Sakhalin and the Kuriles, too. The location of Pootin the Midgets grave, will become ruzzia’s saliva and urine National Reserve.
If China wanted to invade Russia. Why would they want Russia to win a war first? Why would it be easier for China to wait for hundreds of thousands of troops to be freed up. If China wanted to invade Russia, it’s hard to think of a better time than right now. They would be caught with their entire army on the wrong side of the country and most of the world lined up to support China, or at least stay out of the way. The only deterrent is Russia’s nuclear arsenal and that wouldn’t go away after a victory in Ukraine either.
I have bad news for you. China isn’t actually waiting for “russia to win a war first”. They are sitting back, encouraging and aiding ruzzia to use ALL of it’s resources and abilities, and become even weaker in the process. Then, when ruzzia is negligible soon, it might be time to repay some historical insults, hey? And, if by some million to one chance, ruzzia wins against Ukraine, well, China can use that in it’s Taiwan strategy. It’s a win either way, for China. China also has nukes, and I’d bet theirs will work, unlike the ruzzian ones that haven’t been maintained for decades because ruzzian generals all need cash.
Then why did you bring it up? My entire post was an argument that China has no incentive to want Russia to win the war. Did you intend to respond to some other post?
Russia and China are two ancient empires with a long-ass border. Of course, ther’ll be rivalry, since neither state has abandoned its imperialist ambitions.
It will be hilarious when China takes back far Eastern ruzzia, and maybe Siberia and a chunk of the Arctic too. Pootin the midget has well and truly fucked his pariah country forever. Ruzzia will be paying reparations for all time, and the location of Pootangs grave will be forgotten
Of course. When you’re waging war you don’t show weakness to your enemy.
What I find stunning is how little clue the standard Russian citizen has. They know there are fuel shortage but they don’t know why.
Look at what the propaganda networks have achieved in the US. Those techniques were largely developed in Russia.
Makes sense.
They are spending their export earnings, to import refined petroleum products now, ROFL. And you better believe that Ukraine will be targeting import facilities and infrastructure soon…
Imagine an oil economy that has to import oil products, hehe. What an unmitigated fail that ruzzia, and their midget dicktator is…
The Russian economy now is largely based on providing war mateiriel. Russia’s export earnings are heavily dependent on fossil-fuel exports, though, and they have to import both finished and raw materials to keep military production going. Those have to be paid for, and hardly anyone wants roubles.
I find it really “eye opening” to watch a “small” country like Ukraine, just demolish a huge behemoth almost all on their own. Yes they got support from USA, that helped them survive a lot of the first invasion wave, where russia wasn’t prepared for the resistance they were getting do to bad serveilance reportings, of the russian KGP. But after a lot of the help they are getting from their allies, they have been innovating and forcing themselves out of this.
This is the modern version of David and Goliath. Ukraine has revolutionized modern warfare completely.
It seems to be similar to the Vietnam War (besides the distances ofc). The US lost that because none of the soldiers actually cared about going to fight in Vietnam, nobody cared about winning. It might be a similar story with Russia. What stakes do the Russian people face if they lose? What does Ukraine have to lose?
It’s a bit different as Russian indifference is also what made this war be possible in the first place.
I mean, back in ’22 Russian opposition mostly had to flee abroad, but broadcasted news of Russian war crimes, commenting that Russian citizens should know the truth.
Now we know they know. It’s just that nobody cares until it affects them personally.
it is not even the first generation of russian opposition that failed at that. They played dumb when Transnistria situation happened, they didn’t gave a shit when russia started a proxy war with Georgia by fueling the separatist movements, they couldn’t be bothered with Karabakh thing, lots of them openly supported military invasion of Ichkeria that tried to secede according to international law only to be laughed at, they played the “it’s very ambiguous” during the August 8 invasion even there was nothing ambiguous. russian opposition was politically irrelevant long before that and their fate as absolutely inadequate play-pretend clownshow was cemented when most of them decided to feign ignorance and sit on the fence over Crimea annexation and then their leaders started speculating over that with sandwich rhetoric which was deeply idiotic and counterproductive.
True
That was an unwinnable war. China supported North Vietnam, with which it shared a long border. The US was fighting thousands of miles from its borders, with all the logistical problems that entailed, and was not willing or able to engage China directly in the fighting-- they had recently tried that in the Korean war and barely managed to achieve a stalemate at a high cost in lives. The South Vietnamese government was a former French colonial puppet regime that was rotten to the core, the South Vietnamese soldiers knew that and had no desire to die for those parasites or for the US’s obscure objectives. The North Vietnamese soldiers had to either fight and win or be massacred by either the US or their own government. So they cared about winning, since for them it was an existential imperative. American draftees had more options than that.
But I agree that your analysis that the cost of failure to the sides in that war was massively asymmetric is indeed also applicable to Russia and Ukraine.
Ok buddy…
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Russia was considered to be the second most powerful military in the world. They now have suffered over a million casualties and are currently unable to prevent their own oil facilities from exploding on a weekly basis.
And yet they haven’t left. Doesn’t sound like they got “demolished.”
You both are just spouting gung-ho bullshit as virtue signaling for the tribe.
The war can be both devastating for Russia and an ongoing grind.
That itself is not unprecedented. Large militaries have horrifically ground themselves down against smaller, determined foes for literally thousands of years.
Amazing replies, they say Ukraine got support from US like it was a few thousand, ignoring all the support during Biden, and from other countries.
What? Like the support North Korea and China have been selling to the midget Pootin? Like the nice cash flow ruzzia is getting from India and other Brics countries, for whatever oil ruzzia can still transport? Like all the Iranian drones and drone technology that ruzzia can’t provide for itself? Like the battalions of (crappy) North Korean slaves that Pootin has welcomed for ruzzian cash. Even America has been helping ruzzia by keeping a leash on Ukraine, selectively providing intelligence information and even turning off their internet at times. America sent some if’s old junk that needed to be decommissioned any way. It probably actually profited America to be able to dispose of that stuff cheaply LOL. Although it is hilarious that old American junk is more that ruzzia can handle ROFL. Too bad for the runt Pootang, but war in modern times, is a multinational affair, and ruzzia is on the Temu side LOL. I though you ruzzian orcs would be too embarrassed to show your vile heads any more, due to all the failure. It most be pure cringe, to be a ruzzian LOL.
Jesus fucking cringe, I hope for your sake you’re being paid for this
How much is Ruzzian intelligence paying you tho?
Cry harder into your morning vodka, Yuri !
Putin would appear weak if he walked away. Dictators don’t want to look weak. They would rather run the country into the ground than admit they were wrong.
They have drunk the kool-aid
They haven’t “left” because the midget Pootin is not the one doing the dying. Yet.
They haven’t left yet.
Isn’t Ukraine second biggest European country after Russia?
I don’t think they meant geographic size. In terms of population they’re around 9th, in terms of GDP more like 25th. They’re not Malta obviously, but they don’t really stack up against the big traditionally heavyweight countries by most metrics.
Ukraine is poor as fuck, it’s really surprising when you look at the numbers.
Not citizen and economy wise.
Demolish how? Russia is still taking ground. We are entering into fourth year of war, and with the exception of Kursk campaign the line is moving only in one direction.
Russia hasn’t taken significant ground for years. The front line is stuck, entrenched and static. There might be variations by 10 metres here or there, but it’s basically the same today as 3 years ago.
Look at how the first world war ended. The front was frozen for about three years, then it suddenly came unstuck. What had changed was crumbling alliances on the Axis side, an increasingly difficult problem with fuel supply (hmm, that sounds familiar), and the need for Germany to maintain some level of military strength for internal repression. So what broke things loose was a gradual loss of German resiliency. That could happen to Russia, too, but it depends on international resolve that may or might not be sufficiently strong. In particular, it’s not clear if Trump is more interested in backstabbing Europe to ingratiate himself with Putin, or backstabbing Putin in order to claim credit for a victory that would actually largely be Zelenskyy’s.
Three years ago they were fighting for Maruipol.
just to clarify - taking ground with immense personnel and hardware losses over what it is rendered into a literal moonscape with no infrastructure or housings intact. good luck holding onto that.
Good luck taking it back.
Taking land is the only way to win a war. Outlasting an opponent’s ability/will to fight doesn’t work at all, right?
Remind me: who controls Afghanistan? You know, that small country that didn’t even have a standing army who fought against the most powerful military on the planet for 20 years … after fighting the Soviets for 10.
Probably a fluke though – it’s not like that’s repeatedly happened in wars across history.
True. But also Afghanistan’s climate and terrain make it costly to occupy, and there was no comparable benefit to being there, besides possibly control of the opiate trade. And large-scale mechanized warfare was also horrendously difficult in Afghanistan, but much more possible in Ukraine and vicinity.
So the Russians left because there was nothing worth stealing that would justify the high casualty rate. The US fucked off because there was no reason to be there besides to slap the Taliban around and kill however many Al-Qaida fighters could be found. But the war aims for the US were never well-articulated, and that led to bizarre rules of engagement that could never achieve more than a holding pattern. The US could have stayed and exterminated every single Talib, but that would have almost inevitably spread the conflict to the Taliban’s sponsors, Pakistan, which has nukes (and a far larger popultation than Afghanistan). Not a good state to destablize.
So you’re saying russians will just pack their things and leave?
You’re wasting your time lmao. If they took Kyiv and jailed all the leadership these delusional libs would claim it’s just Russian propaganda and the real victory is just around the corner like it’s an avengers movie.
Evidence is beside the point, all that matters is vibes.
You’re commenting from the fucking “saying Palestine is illegal” instance, pipe down
More .ml propaganda lmao
Palestine isn’t illegal, silly you :3
Meatwave tactics do tend to gain ground, but the midget Pootin is starting to get desperate for warm bodies to send. Pootin the Tiny is resorting to tricking international students into signing up for the meatgrinder, and there are literal waves of ruzzian orcs attacking WHILE ON CRUTCHES! Ruzzian soldiers are encouraged to shoot their own wounded because ruzzia can’t afford to medically treat them, or pay pensions… Ruzzian weapons are proven crap, and getting crappier, and that’s a foreign market ruzzia will, NEVER get back. What ruzzian navy? ROFLOLOLOL!!! Ruzzia has run out of fuel (LOL) and is now an importer of gasoline, while Ukraine permits it. (Hint: Ukraine will be bombing import facilities and infrastructure very soon). The ruzzian economy is in the toilet and about to be flushed, ruzzian elites are grumbling audibly about midget Pootins failures… The entire next generation of ruzzians has fled overseas, or already been turned into sunflower fertilizer. Ruzzia is Donny 2 Inches “third world shithole country”, in every possible way. Third World Ruzzia should try to give their population actual flushing toilets and indoor plumbing, before they start and lose their next war ROFL. No wonder that every ruzzian woman is trying to find a western husband, because this is yet another destroyed generation of ruzzian men. Only the crippled and unemployable violent drunks are going to remain, to populate future ruzzia. What a genetic disaster, hey?
As opposed to the glorious past, when there were also non-crippled and marginally employable violent drunks.
Really dude ?? Really ?? Ukraine is running out of men.
I am not Russian, but cool joke bro. youtu.be/p1KwWZJFmCU
Also Don’t joke about the war, you death-worshipping degenerate. One question; which country are you from ?
Son’t know where the guy you were denigrating was from, but I’m from Finland and we know Russia well enough to know what animals they are. Alao fuck you for spreading Russian propaganda
Oh so basically, you don’t have any skin in the game; But love forcing other men to die For YOUR COMFORT & that Dehumanization is straight out of the zionist playbook. Good job war-monger.
US-imperialism is the cause of this war, there’s enough evidence for it, just like Israel.
No skin in the game except over 1000km of border and hundreds of years of history with the most malignant war mongering country in the northern hemisphere who are contantly waging war with us, so you can just fuck off with your condescending attitude.
From China and Belarus apparently.
Headline seems true. To quote ISW’s Oct 1 report:
Nothing to see here. It’s fake news. russia strong. Resistance is futile… ROFL
Ukraine is what the Allies have been in World War 2-- a really fucking competent leadership. It doesn’t matter if the opponent has a bigger stick if he’s too stupid to use it and keep missing the swings. That’s what Russia is. So much for “corrupt Ukraine”. No country is void of corruption, but if Ukraine is as corrupt as Russian propaganda insists they are, they wouldn’t have been able to survive this long and embarrass Russia. Speaking of which, it’s funny I don’t see much Russian bots try to smear Ukraine anymore (maybe Putin is instead focusing on propagandising the Russians). Since Kursk and the deep drone strike campaigns in Russia, it is clear that Russia is losing the propaganda war.
Maybe Ukraine couldn’t retake the areas occupied by Russia, but they could deliver a Pyrrhic blow to Kremlin. Russian international prestige already diminished as soon as they invaded.
I’m just concerned about what happens if things start to go really badly for the Russians. Nothing good can come of a nuclear superpower that feels threatened and backed into a corner, either by the enemy or their own populace.
They were ground to a standstill in Afghanistan too, and the apocalypse failed to materialize.
Some geriatic leaders were shown to be incompetent, so they were replaced by other elderly drunks.
The USA does business with Vietnam but not Cuba. Strategically the countries are not the same.
This is an interesting point, but what are you saying? Sorry, I’m a bit dense.
Afghanistan was strategically as important to the USSR as Vietnam was to the USA. So going nuclear was not worth it.
For no missiles on Cuba, the US risked everything, and they still embargo Cuba for leaving their fold.
Ukraine is even more important for Russia. So assuming that nothing will happen because nothing happened for the loss in Afghanistan is careless.
I see, thanks for spelling it out for me!
Eh, the people around Putin know that they have better odds of maintaining their lives and fortune when no nukes fly.
They have delivered a pyrrhic victory.
Russia thought they could take Kyiv (Ukraine?) on 3 days.
The fact that Ukraine has resisted so hard, have redefined the modern battlefield, have conducted huge deep strikes…
Ukraine is winning.
The reason Ukraine may not be “winning” is because the Russian war machine is huge. Like really really big.
The reason that Ukraine is “winning” is because the Russian war machine is outdated and corrupt.
The western opinion of Russia has been devastated. Russia tested themselves, and failed.
Russia is holding on by their nukes.
Didn’t they lose 30 percent of thier land?
20%, but most of it was already occupied since 2014 and the ongoing skirmishes in the east
They might if they keep flying drones into NATO airspace.
competence does not in any way indicate an absence of corruption
One of the symptoms of corruption is diversion of critical resources to private pockets.
Yeah, OK, all systems have some level of corruption, but setting binary thinking aside, in Ukraine, it can’t be of great magnitude or they couldn’t fight.
Cool story
[Argument]
[Counter argument]
“Uhhhh I don’t care”
Your baseless speculation does not in any way constitute a counter-argument, it is pure wishful thinking to avoid confronting the very real possibility that the US is about to lose another proxy war
Oh that wasn’t me, I just noticed you chickening out of addressing their valid counter-argument.
Like I said, not a counter-argument, wishful thinking, cope
I coped by summarizing for anyone else skimming the discussion
Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
I feel bad for the Ukrainian men, they’re getting dragged into a meatgrinder for US imperalism.
It’s a fucking tragedy how many innocent lives are still ending for an empire on the way out
A fucking tragedy indeed. Even worse are the sympathizers of the empire Outside of USA
Credit where it’s due, the US has fucking incredible PR
I’ve noticed that most people who say kiddo to demean someone are usually fucking morons who think that they’re very intelligent.
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68120973
Not sure what they’re on about.
Or maybe Putin decided the bot farmers were needed at the front lines as drone fodder.
Ukraine was probably close to as corrupt as the Russians have never stopped bleating, but:
This is inaccurate on two fronts.
Except this is accurate on all fronts. Compare that to the Axis, who barely coordinated. Hell, Mussolini didn’t even tell Hitler he was going to invade Greece. When that didn’t work out, Hitler had to bail him out. That pushed the German invasion of the Soviet Union by one or two months. Who knows, maybe those two months could have allowed Germany to arrive in Moscow earlier and avoid the freezing winter, and history as we know it may have turned differently. Don’t even get me started the wastefulness of the Holocaust (the brain drain and potential manpower wasted), which Mussolini himself stated long before that the Nazi’s racial obsession is wasteful. This is why I want to smash the myth of efficiency of Nazi war machine, because they never were.
Also read up on Truman committee, who monitored corruption and wastefulness during the war period. They saved about $15 billion.
Broadly speaking, the myth is of “efficient war machine”. These sprawling, ego-driven, blunders of resource mismanagement aren’t specific to any one faction or ideological tenor.
The idea that Ukraine is some kind of model of efficiency is just war propaganda. The Spring Offensive of 2023 was a trainwreck.
Similarly, the mythology of British/American logistical accumen is wildly overinflated. Normandy was only possible because the Eastern Front was sucking up so much of Germany’s material and manpower. The far bigger win for the Allies was simply the Radar + cracking Enigma, blunting Operation Sea Lion.
Oh, and Russia is better? Is that why they are stuck in Ukraine for two years now with the frontlines barely budging at the cost of something like 900,000 Russian casualties? The 2022 Kharkiv counter offensive liberated 200 km2 in just three months? The Black Sea fleet essentially nonexistent? Russia can’t defend itself from deep drone incursions for a country supposedly more powerful? I don’t know what your agenda is, but the results speak for itself. Like I said, it doesn’t matter if the person wields a bigger stick if he can’t use it well and keeps missing. The Ukrainian spring offensive failed in 2023 but the Ukrainians learned; the Russians didn’t.
They are better. The Allies have prepared for a war with Germany. The US alone have been able to mobilise its factories for war production and enlist 600,000 men (if I remember the figures correctly) in just six months after Pearl Harbor, unlike in WWI which took them a better part of one year to do so. The country already produced and sent hundreds of Liberty ships to supply UK and USSR. Germany, on the other hand, by admission of German generals after the war, stated they only had enough men and supplies to last them less than a year at the start of the war, if they don’t defeat the West quickly. Because Hitler did not expect the Allies to declare war on him after invading Poland. Germany was actually on the brink of bankruptcy just before they invaded Poland.
On the Asia Pacific front, Japan also didn’t inform Germany of the plan to bomb Pearl Harbor. Couple of days later, Germany declared war on US unnecessarily. So yes, tell me how efficient this is.
No. They’re also awful, as evidenced Prigovahn’s Leroy Jenkins attack on Moscow.
But the bar for greatness isn’t the clumsiness of your opposition. This war is Pyrrich for both countries. The only winners are the arms dealers.
I am literally Vladimir Putin himself, trying to get you to think badly of the Ukrainian military, because I know your personal opinion is the lynchpin to who wins the war.
They famously were not prepared which lead to France collapsing as Germany outflanked the Maginot Line for the second time in two World Wars.
Belgium wasn’t prepared either. It was flattened in months.
Poland wasn’t prepared. Ukraine wasn’t prepared. Russia was barely prepared. North Africa was run straight through.
The US was backstopping the UK, Russia, and China for three full years (closer to ten, if you count the Japanese invasion of the Chinese mainland).
They didn’t need six months to mobilize. They just needed an excuse to ramp up military spending in a recession.
The joke of this was that the US was helping them out, too! At least at the outset. American industry was instrumental in gassing up German tanks and tabulating head count for concentration camps.
Even at the late stage of the war, American spies and diplomats were eager to make peace with Berlin and pivot the Nazis back Eastward. The only thing that saved Hitler from the DC anti-Communist rubber chicken speaking circuit was Russian tanks beating Americans to the capital.
The US was half in bed with the Germans, but fully in bed with the British. The only way they were going to escape War with the US was somehow getting Edward VIII to bump off Churchill.
The Maginot Line did work as intended. The Germans did go around as intended after all. The Allies just didn’t expect the German’ main blow through the Ardennes.
Ukraine knew what was coming after the intelligence reports started coming of possible Russian attack. They’ve been at proxy war with Russia after all for eight years before the full scale invasion.
The Russians weren’t even prepared at all. You’re conveniently forgetting that Russian troops were told they were going on a military exercise but surprised to find they are in Ukraine. They were also given outdated maps. They quickly rushed through Ukraine without their supply lines being protected. Meanwhile, Ukraine know how to protect their supply lines.
Roosevelt and Churchill knew they will come to blows with the Axis sooner or later. Roosevelt made a speech about the US being arsenal of democracy long before US entered the war.
Gradually showing the true colours, are we? Invoking the usual “only the arms manufacturers benefit” to try to smear a justified self-defense that Kremlin push.
Do you have a source? Or is this voodoo historical distortionism? The Nazis tried to make overtures to the West many times in their self-delusion that the Allies will be convinced to fight the Soviets (which was the Nazi belief from the start of the war), but the Allies refused many times. You are forgetting the Allied and Soviet meetings throughout the war discussing war plans and their vision of post-war world. The Allies can’t reneg on the deal and so are the Soviets. So, it doesn’t make sense for the Allies to capture Berlin, since Berlin was agreed upon to be under Soviet influence after the war, and it’s a waste of time and needless deaths for the Allies.
US ships were already in skirmish with German u-boats for well over a year before Pearl Harbor.
Oh the right, useful idiots for Kremlin.
Jesus Christ.
How do you know basic facts? Lol that was the intention of Maginot line!
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Well? Where’s your counter-argunent? I’m listening…
en.wikipedia.org/…/2023_Ukrainian_counteroffensiv…
I asked for a counter-argument, not a lazy link that only serves to support the other person’s argument! Come on, man, you can do better than that! Show me what you got!
You get what you pay for. The 2023 counteroffensive was a total flop. It was so bad that Prigozhin’s whole mercenary company walked away from the front lines and marched on Moscow without costing Russia an iota of stolen territory.
You could learn how and why it failed, if you bothered to read the finer details. But you’ve chosen to be a cheerleader for a disastrous management of the world’s fifth largest military instead. Might as well announce you’re a die-hard fan of William McClellan as defend the Ukrainian top brass.
Thank you. I disagree, but I will consider your argument and dig deeper when I get the chance to.
Why are you defining Ukraine’s performance over on one battle? That’s like saying the Allies lost World War 2 because they lost the Battle of France, Singapore and Manila. You are conveniently forgetting the 2022 Kharkiv counteroffensive, the destruction of Russian Black Sea fleet and the ongoing drone campaigns. Those are good planning. The main reason the Ukrainian 2023 offensive flopped was because of intelligence leak and the Russians knew of the plan and had time to dig in. The best comparison to this is the WWII Battle of Kursk and when Rommel attacked first before the British does, because they knew what’s coming thanks of intelligence leaks.
It’s a clear illustration of their overall military performance.
These are all strong indictments of Allies military strategy and a big reason why the war dragged on until 1945, killed tens of millions of additional people.
You simply do not know what you’re talking about. The Ukrainians underestimated Russian fortifications and artillery power, then deployed what was a relatively large and agile pool of armored vehicles into a series of choke points that were easy to bombard.
Lol, did you learn military strategy and tactics from videogames? Do you think you could end any wars quickly? Look here folks! We got someone better than the Ukrainian and all Allied generals combined. It is though as if you are playing against an AI and could finish a fight in one hour! Tell NATO and Putin about this random internet stranger!
Good luck on the front lines.
It will be fun when Ukraine starts locating and burning the imports, too :) Fuck Pootin, and fuck ruzzia. They are curse to humanity !
Destruction of pipelines and refineries will mean that it doesn’t matter where the fuel’s coming from. They’ll either have to import refined products or do without.
Indeed. But I’m also suggesting that the import facilities are targets now, too. If they can’t produce, and can’t import, they will just have to live like the cavemen that ruzzians are.
Ukraine Uno Reversed Russia, petrostate is now petroneedstate.
Only finished product, right? Russia without the ability to net export crude is basically just land.
Not even very good land:
Ah, the old Soviet approach to environmentalism: that’s a bunch of capitalist hogwash Ivan, just dump out the arsenic anywhere.