Nepal currently being run via Discord after Gen Z uprising
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 10:48
https://lemmy.world/post/35856623
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 13 Sep 10:48
https://lemmy.world/post/35856623
The next time someone tells you the youth aren’t engaged enough in politics, just point them to Nepal.
According to multiple reports, the youth of the South Asian nation managed to oust the existing government following an attempted ban of major social media platforms and took to Discord to hold an impromptu convention to elect an interim prime minister.
The organizing appears to have worked. On Friday, the military accepted the recommendation of the protest group and named Karki the interim prime minister. Karki, who accepted the role, is expected to pick a new cabinet and eventually hold elections. According to the Times, that is expected to happen within the next six months or so.
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Huh that sounds totally reasonable. Can’t see any issues.
Except Discord. That’s just stupid. At least use something E2EE.
I think Russia and Ukraine both use discord as well in the war
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I dunno how many users signal can handle in a single chat, but I suspect it’s far less than the number they would have in their discord chats.
They’re lucky they live in a country where the government is technologically illiterate. If they did that in the developed world they’d probably all be dead or in prison, instead of successfully, and relatively peacefully (from what I gather), overthrowing their kleptocrats.
Edit: their chat has 100,000 users
I don’t see how that matters for a short-term use.
The title is extremely misleading. No one is running a country via discord. The your rebelled successfully and after ousting the former pm they were asked by the military for a new pm rexommendation. They had discussions about that on discord and gave their recommendation afterwards. That’s all there is to it, no one is holding cabinet meetings via discord. The interim pm probably doesn’t even know what discord is.
That’s what I was thinking.
Like thankfully whatever they’re up to isn’t too interesting to Discord corporate or “U.S interests” right now, or their communications would be turned on them so fast.
But hey at least it’s like a small step up from Facebook. Somebody help them set up their own Matrix protocol infrastructure. :D
Why would you use E2EE for a group with over 100000 members?
I also kinda doubt stuff like matrix could handle that many users. All-in-all, and I say this as not the biggest fan of discord, I think it was an okay choice.
All verified nepalese for sure…
Smaller countries are easier to get new governments in. The bigger it is the harder it is to oust a leader, let alone get better leadership in after.
I think these south asians are on to something with their methods of protesting here, idk if I can say this on here but targeting the homes of lawmakers garnered by corrupt means, and government buildings, seems to be a good strategy.
Sri lanka, indonesia, and nepal all did this recently and I think I am missing some even.
Hello from the Philippines. I’m hoping we are about to here
How is it going with Marcos? Are they corrupt?
Oh yes. Being the son of this guy
Always have been
So the US should balkanize before they get better leadership
Unironically yes. We should still have a regional compact or something but clearly things are not working. People have wildly different visions of how the country should be run and this stupid power struggle isn’t helping anyone.
Sounds like a good idea until you have a soup of 50 sovereign states who still don’t agree but are now completely wide open to international power plays and local violence. The people only have “different visions” because the rich are best served by having us divided. Caving to that pressure only makes us more vulnerable to their neo-feudal ambitions.
That’s what the regional defense compact is for. It’s worked well enough in the past and to this day.
Regardless of the source of those differences they are real and the left has no plan to convert people. It’s time to let go and let the red states become slag heaps of that’s what they want to be.
See European Union + NATO. Kept russia from invading. And sovereignty is still maintained.
So, like a union… Of American states… The problem is that we’ve already got that, but people don’t participate in those local governments. They show up once every 4 years to vote for president, and get mad when that doesn’t magically fix everything.
If the feds didn’t have the power to control everything in society this problem would solve itself. Also there shouldn’t be a president either.
No, no it wouldn’t. The issues are systemic, not the result of the federal government’s existence. Did Britain become less corrupt after leaving the EU? No, because Britain’s problems are systemic to their own politics.
It might make the fight more local, but that’s already the case. You can already campaign for change in your state, but people don’t do that. The average American doesn’t know their local representatives, and don’t engage in local poltics. You have to change that attitude, and convince people in the concept of a civil society, in which they are actively participating members.
None of this relates to what I was saying. The UK already had its own sovereign government, otherwise it wouldn’t have been able to leave so easily.
I’m just saying the feds didn’t have so much power people wouldn’t pay so much attention to them and would pay more attention to their local stuff. Which would be good for democracy.
I’d like to see government focused on the neighborhood level whenever possible. Only move up to the next one if there is an unsolvable issue.
This is not the only change that’s needed so it won’t fix everything on its own but it would allow people to make much more effective decisions about their own lives instead of people in Kansas deciding things about local DC law enforcement like we do now. That’s bonkers.
Which methods are you referring to?
Burning down and looting houses of corrupt politicians, also government buildings.
smaller countries have an easier time getting better government because in smaller countries, things are closer by, and it’s easier to just walk up to your prime minister’s house and set it on fire if he misbehaves. in the US, which is a thousand kilometers across, you can’t just walk there.
I’m actually in favor of bringing political responsibility back to the local level. That means, communities largely organize themselves, with only few interactions with the federal government.
The federal government has become the monster it was checked and balanced not to.
We celebrate the feds ursurping authority because slavery, and then civil rights, but the feds are only authorized domestically to regulate interstate commerce, and forbidden from placing restrictions on movement of goods and people in the country.
We would have support across the country forcing the feds to back off getting into everybody’s business.
Here we are with feds bringing military troops into cities to occupy the hoods the country has made, a clear violation of their authority. This is just getting warmed up, we should pass a constitutional smmendment forbidding the feds from income taxes beyond soc. sec., medicare, medicaid, etc really.
It could pass by referendums in 30 dome states, would just need a handful more.
It sounds extreme but is the only way to stop the executive branch long term.
It’s absolutely possible to have a strong federal government without getting into the shit show we have today. The problem is when federal authority gets distilled into a handful of people and detached from popular representation or recall.
“Getting the feds to back off” has been the laughable fig leaf that the right has used to dismantle the normal operation of our government for 200+ years. Now you’re buying into balkanization when they’ve enacted their coup?
We don’t need more limits on the only structure that can mitigate/navigate climate collapse; the only thread that historically has opposed the oppression of the deep south; the only speedbump that could even moderately oppose the hegemony of the ultra wealthy.
The US constitution was designed to entrench the power of the white landowner class, and that has remained true in spite of the consistent creep of federal authority. It’s just not possible to mount any opposition to the massive weight of their capital in any other way.
So no, don’t restrict the Fed’s authority to do any of that. Just give us the tools to get real, fair representation and hold our representatives accountable. Every other needed reform and restructuring could be done with no problem once we have that.
The right and Republican party is completely full of shit on everything, they believe in nothing. But the Constitution did set the country up for states to be like their own nations, that founding Charter gives the feds the authority to regulate interstate commerce, deal with foreign Nations and treaties, and that is about it.
That the right has cynically used that to further their own interests does not mean you should support the opposite of that. It is beyond clear that the federal government is a monster. It already was and now will be much worse. If you want a federal government with the power it has now maybe you should put forth a constitutional amendment because they do not have the authority to do the shit they are doing.
Yes and when the Constitution was written they were basically 13 semi-sovereign states who were such nascent politicians that they couldn’t imagine a government without a king (just renamed president). The constitution should have been entirely reworked after the Civil War and probably needed more major revisions as the population, topography and demographics of the nation changed.
The state of our federal administration is fucked because the constitution is fundamentally flawed. If it was written for a modern world, the federal government would have the foundation to weather this assault and possibly the teeth to nip the rot in the bud. At the very least it wouldn’t be so rigid that people like you feel the need to cling to a centuries old piece of paper as infallible.
Using a maliciously broken system as self evidence for its abandonment and prohibition is absurd. There’s nothing inherently more oppressive or evil about a federal government than a smaller state government. If you’re not considering a restructure to address the root flaws then you’re just whinging over which boot you’d prefer to kick in your door.
It is the system we have, it is better than most other systems in the world, and there is no way to change it for the better at this point in time. Supporting it being perverted into something else will lead to other perversions like we are seeing right now.
You are falling into the Trap of supporting everything the right wing purports to support. I imagine you also defend everything to the hilt that the right wing attacks. While they are trying to make those things worse, but those things have legitimate problems of Their Own.
Like Federal agencies, all of which are failing in their statutory duties. No offense but you guys are all fucking hopeless.
that won’t solve the problem. people just have very different views of how the path should continue forwards. you’re not going to unite that. if you represent fairly, you might end up with a federal government that is 50% democrat and 50% republican, but that just means that everybody only gets half of what they want.
If you poll on actual policy and don’t couch it in ideology or partisan framing, the vast majority of people agree. From basic economic policy to abortion access to housing regulations to climate action, ~70% or more are in agreement. And keep in mind this is with a constant media barrage promoting division.
In a better system we wouldn’t be bound to just D and R. It would be something to more accurately represent the nuances of the voter (probably an evolution of the coalition systems in newer Democracies). You end up those popular policies as the core of governance with the outer fringe policies on the political curve getting less sway. Compromise is a part of any system of governance except maybe despotism.
That is such a black&white way of thinking, so FPTP of you, as a non-🇺🇸: proportional representation ensures that by partisan bill are the defacto, law starts to hing on convincing other parties. Sure there will be exclusionary stances but it often comes with people voting for a different party that’s similar to yours
Then the rich live in their little personal feifdoms and continue to extract the surplus labor of the workers.
The right way is to tax the rich at 90-99% and tax the ones who choose to fuck around at 100%.
There is no good reason to let the rich control our political system.
No, i don’t think you get what i meant, let me explain again:
If the democratic areas want taxes to be at 50% for the rich and the republicans want them to be at 0%, then a middle way would be to set them at 25%. But this way, everyone is discontent.
A better system would be to set them to 50% in the democrat areas and to 0% in the republican areas. For which you would have to have two distinct legal regions.
edit: tax rate was a bad example. i should have chosen something else.
I usually disagree with right-wingers, but maybe they’re right about the small government thing. I much rather leave most of the governing up to the states. At least texans and floridans can’t fuck up my life from that far away.
Tbh Indonesia is not a small country, it has the 4th largest population and the archipelago is as wide as US. However the demonstrations there took place in almost all major cities.
Indonesia is not exactly small
Indeed, and Indonesia did not change their government.
We tried protesting politicians houses in the UK a couple years ago. And even though the PM and his family wasn’t there, and all they did was hang up a banner, the narrative was about how they were intimidating him with violent threats against his family and was widely condemed.
Bangladesh, Pakistan. Even Thailand. India would be devastating but it seems on the horizon
They imposed term limits on comfortable politicians.
It’s one of the best things you can do to combat corruption.
Idk the term limits will help or hurt here. Being limited our lawmakers would sell out all the harder to set themselves up in their last term. It makes sense for executive positions because they can cement themselves in power.
I believe the answer is to organize and find and groom our own candidates that can win. Ones that will acknowledge and address the actual sources of our problems, which would be massively popular with voters you better believe it.
In your second paragraph you touch on why term limits work. It makes sure that the candidates are more closely connected to the people they represent. An incumbent will lose their connection, the longer they are in office.
Our lawmakers are near all sociopathic nhilists that believe in nothing outside of self interest. The only check on their behavior is re election, remove that they will be worse their last term.
Lawmakers that have been in there forever and Corruption and misrepresentation of their constituents may seem correlated but it is not a causation.
It is not lawmakers being in there forever that has caused our lawmakers to suck. It is a very purposeful half-century long campaign by big business, from 1972 in the business Round Table that made a plan to corrupt and ultimately kill the Republic.
The system certainly needs a table flip at this point.
How about something like the following.
Each person only ever gets a single term. They earn a salary while in office. When the next election comes around, you get to elect their replacement, but you also get to vote on if the person in office, should earn a pension for the rest of their life. They need 50% to earn the pension.
If only this is how it could go down in the US. Sigh…
Unfortunately, when it happens here its going to be a long, awful, drawn out, bloody conflict.
conservative gang factions already killing each other, we can wait a bit longer as they weaken
They’re in the purge phase. The Night of the Long Knives approaches as we head into October.
The No Kings protests demonstrated, if literally nothing else, that record-breaking groups of people across the country can remain mostly peaceful with extremely high underlying emotions churning.
This administration will be the downfall of the system and people will barely have to lift a finger. When the US economy inevitably crashes, people’s comfort will be in jeopardy - mass bloodshed will not restore that. This isn’t the 1800s, we literally are too numerous and our systems are too fragile to support and sustain a massive, drawn-out civil war.
I wonder what the US military would do if the current administration’s head was cut off quickly enough so no significant orders went out to the military from them. Marshal law then eventually an election?
The head of the snake is very difficult to remove in the US because we have extensive, and very clearly spelled out succession laws, and the people next in line are just terrible.
Under current law, you would need to kill 22 people before replacements can be appointed. Possibly less if some of them are not constitutionally eligible to be president; but if it ever got to that point, I suspect we would ignore that provision.
Pulling this off is made even more difficult by both the heightened security given to everyone in the line of succession; and the fact that under our continuity of government plans, those people are deliberately never all in the same place at the same time.
Anything that could accomplish a full decapitation strike would likely require marshall law anyway, and would likely make the conditions for an election difficult.
Don’t forget, the house or senate can just pick another magat for Acting President. You basically need a designated survivor type incident, except without the designated survivor.
So the only solution is europe grows some balls and nukes America, then whatever caveman is left, gets elected. Got it!
That would be Martial law
Marital law?
Pregernante?
Under circumstances as dire as those you only have one shot, one opportunity.
To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment Would you capture it or just let it slip?
but … it would be very un-American to fight corruption and listen to the demands of the people.
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This is fascinating, I expected Karki to be a GenZ or Millenial guy, she is a 73 year old woman.
Sushila Karki
She have send many corrupt people jail before. These corrupt leader try to suspend her from chief judge post but can’t do it . I am happy seeing her as our PM. I will vite for her if she run for coming election.
I still have this tab open from 5 days ago: Wife of Ex-Nepali PM Burned Alive, Gen Z Revolt Engulfs Country: Live Updates
I go back to it every day to check whether it’s still there because it feels so surreal that i think it’s somehow just a dream and i’m going to wake up every moment now and the news story will have disappeared.
On the other side of the same coin, a Nepali minister abandoned his wheelchair-bound wife to flee the mob. The mob extracted her from the building, carried her to safety, and got her to a local hospital… Then they resumed burning down the building.
And that’s the kind of strict laser focus that a revolution should have. You’re not revolting to hurt people or burn things down; you’re revolting because of what the people at the top have done. Destruction is a message, not the goal.
She alive and in hospital recovering. News media spread this that she 8s burn alive
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just look at this. this is such a fascinating image. it’s so surreal. how did we get here?
The internet.
Nepal is officially an Emperor Luffy’s territory.
Basic corruption and a ton of meddling by the right wing Indian government.
Look at what the Kirk assassin wrote on their cartridges.
Internet meme culture is just culture now.
Lol "pirate flag". I've never watched One Piece but its from that isn't it? They raised an anime flag
This flag has been used all over Asia by youth to express unity in dissatisfaction with corruption and a system that is stacked against them. I think it started in Indonesia, but I am not sure.
Yup.
In One Piece, the main characters are pirates, sure, but that doesn’t make them ‘anti-heroes’.
This is because the world government of One Piece is Authoritarian / Fascist / Feudalist.
As is any government of sufficient size.
Looks fake
This belongs on !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
You are asking the wrong question.
Its not, “how did we get here” its “How do we get there”
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This is my nightmare, I can never keep track of any information on Discord. It’s just chaos.
Nowadays -
“I’m having trouble with x.”
“Okay. Open a ticket”
“Oh, thanks. Okay, so”
“—on the official discord.”
To usenet! Let’s start a new world order.
New live action one piece is looking pretty good
I totally forgot they used the Straw Hat flag XD
Hell… Yeah?
They have a lot to teach us. I for one, welcome our Nepali overlords!
At this point, I can only say one thing fairly confidently:
We’re certainly living in a timeline
Definitely one of the timelines of all time
May you live in times that are times.
Does anyone who follows Nepali politics know if this is going to turn into a color revolution? Are western powers successfully using this as a pretense to get a right-wing government in?
Everything is peaceful now we are heading for election after month. Military do good job to control violence. Many things happen which we don’t want to happen in protest. We are trying to do best to run the nation but old politicians trying to mess things again. They are making sure this protest fails and they can rule again. Many things happening.
Thanks. I hope you don’t end up following the path of Tunesia and Egypt. I remember them being so hopeful when the government was deposed, but somehow they just ended up with another puppet government.
On one hand, fuck social media. The recommender AIs that run it are only supposed to optimise engagement, thus optimising ad revenue. But they are far more powerful than that. They can influence public opinion as a whole. Totally out-of-band from the sovereignty of any nation. It is foolish to think that Google, Youtube, Facebook, Netflix, and Twitter aren’t abusing this power. Every responsible nation that wants to defend its sovereignty against recommender AIs must ban social media immediately, along with every other source of such recommendations.
On the other hand, everything else that happened in Nepal. I’m just glad the actual decisions happened on Discord, the least terrible of the platforms. At least Discord doesn’t have these sinister recommender AIs.
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“HAVE YOU GUYS EVER CONSIDERED A FOSS ALTERNATIVE LIKE MATRIX?”