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on 31 Jul 2024 03:27
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SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 03:30
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Israel isnât taking credit for that?
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
on 31 Jul 2024 04:10
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An Israeli military spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Israel often doesnât when it comes to assassinations carried out by their Mossad intelligence agency.
Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 31 Jul 2024 09:15
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Quoting from the linked article:
has been killed by a strike in Tehran
tobogganablaze@lemmus.org
on 31 Jul 2024 10:55
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I know people often just read the headline ⌠but just reading the URL is new.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
on 31 Jul 2024 12:41
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The newest AP article has modified the statement I quoted.
An Israeli military spokesman declined to comment. Israel often doesnât comment on assassinations carried out by its Mossad intelligence agency or strikes on other countries.
I think Iran is saying there was an airstrike, but (unless I missed it) there hasnât been confirmation by Western countries that an airstrike took place.
jeffw@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 03:37
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tfw Lemmyâs other top news junkie beats you to the post
FenrirIII@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 23:43
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Iâd say get another hobby, but Iâm addicted to scrolling Lemmy
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
on 31 Jul 2024 04:11
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Hereâs a picture of the 2 confirmed victims of that first strike youâre referring to.
Edit for sake of accuracy: Hezballah just confirmed the death of their targeted member after previously claiming he survived which should put death toll at 4 including a woman and the 2 mentioned kids along with 74 injured in the strike
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 31 Jul 2024 05:43
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Israel canât stop slaughtering children.
pivot_root@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 05:55
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Wont, not canât. Canât implies that itâs not a choice.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
on 31 Jul 2024 10:23
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They feel compelled by the fact they donât think the children are human
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 12:37
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pivot_root@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 15:06
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Israel may be an ethnostate, but the actions of its leadership are not representative of the Jewish population as a whole. That is to say, stop disingenuously conflating criticism of a genocidal government with antisemitism.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 15:23
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An âethnostateâ significantly more ethnically and religiously diverse than any country in Europe, the Middle East or Asia.
Japan is 99% ethnic Yamato Japanese. Is Japan an ethnostate? And should they be criticised for this?
73% of Israelis are Jews, more than half of which are Middle Eastern (Mizrahi) Jews, i.e. zero connection to Europe. The other 27% of Israeli citizens are usually Arabs who are either Muslim, Christian, Druze, Bedouin, Circassians, Bahaâi, Armenians, Samaritans, etc. They have the same civil, legal, political and religious rights as Jewish Israelis. Theyâre represented at every level of government, including in the parliament with an explicitly Arabist political party that has once served in a coalition government.
And itâs⌠Israel thatâs the âethnostateâ. Got it.
Accusing Jews of being unable to stop themselves from murdering children is unambiguous antisemitism with a long history dating back to the Middle Ages.
pivot_root@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 15:53
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Itâs evident that youâre cherry-picking tangential details to argue against, so let me say this in unambiguous terms:
Accusing Jews of being unable to stop themselves from murdering children is unambiguous antisemitism with a long history dating back to the Middle Ages.
People here are not accusing Jews of doing anything. We arenât using âIsraelâ as a stand-in or dogwhisle for ethnically Jewish people or the Jewish religion.
People are accusing the government of Israel of being unwilling to refrain from committing war crimes.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 16:31
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Yes, Iâm sure itâs a complete coincidence that Israel alone among all the countries in the world, including Syria (where Assad slaughtered more than half a million Syrians), China (engaged in the genocide of the Uyghurs) and Azerbaijan (who literally ethnically cleansed Nagorno-Karabakh of Armenians just last year), is the only one accused of being bloodthirsty child-murderers who regard non-Jewish children as less than human.
Couldnât be that a key theme of antisemitism over 2,000 years retains a deep hold on peopleâs imaginations and biases, influencing their views today even if they arenât fully cognisant of, could it?
Nah. Itâs just a coincidence that itâs only the Jewish state accused of this.
Yeah youâre going to need to source that. Never Again is a slogan referring to the Holocaust. At best some people say it means just for Jews, but I think we can all agree genocide is bad, right?
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 21:43
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I think we can all agree that the Jews and only the Jews have the right to determine what that phrase, which they coined, meant to them.
By which you must mean only the super hardcore Zionists right? Because Iâm pretty sure these guys disagree with your definition. Pretty sure Stefanie disagrees. Oh look, more disagreement.
Cherry picking hardliner writing to try and coopt a common phrase isnât very cool. Especially if youâre using it to deny a genocide.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 22:33
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You can always find fringe groups. Itâs a bit pathetic to so openly signal that you know thatâs what youâre doing. Youâve picked massively marginal, tiny and unimportant groups. Itâs really embarrassing for you man. I mean, really? Boston Review? Câmon man, grow up.
How many Jewish groups share your opinion that the Jews alone, among all the peoples of the world, have no right to national self-determination?
And I swear to fucking God if you add a Naturei Karta link, a group of less than 2,000 members globally, you will have problems.
I never said Jews donât have the right to Self Determination. Everyone has the right to Self Determination.
Including the Palestinians.
And youâre going to argue that hardcore Zionists are the majority of Judaism? With zero proof? and call my sources embarrassing? What is this the school playground? Are you rubber?
Itâs not Blood Libel if the actual government is doing it.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 19:23
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Antisemites have always believed this. This isnât new. The people who claimed Jews were intent on slaughtering non-Jewish children because they saw them as sub-human did also believe that wholeheartedly. It wasnât just a ruse.
Everyone rational has always believed this. The government of Israel is not the Jewish people any more than the government of ISIS was representative of Muslims.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 20:16
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Everyone rational has always believed this.
By openly identifying your endorsement of an ancient and false antisemitic trope, youâve invalidated your right to have any opinion about anything.
If saying the government of Israel is not all of Judaism is blood libel then everything is blood libel and the label is meaningless.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 21:54
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Just to be clear then:
Are you claiming that the Jewish governing party, made up of Jewish individuals, in the Jewish State (Israel) are incapable of holding back their bloodlust to slaughter non-Jewish children on the basis that they see them as lesser than Jewish children?
Take a moment. Think about it. Because we both know that this is in fact what you have been claiming. And maybe you want to walk that back, and self-reflect, and think whether maybe youâve gone wrong at some point in your justifiable attempt to seek justice for oppressed peoples.
At the point theyâre publicly calling those kids names while bombing them⌠Yes itâs pretty clear they believe Palestinians are subhuman. And if thatâs blood libel then so is saying Hitler believed Jews to be sub human
You cannot have it both ways. You cannot commit genocide and tell the world theyâre the racists because they called you out.
Maggoty@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 23:17
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The Israeli government
And again, you cannot cover up a genocide with anti-genocide rhetoric. Thatâs the height of ridiculousness. Having been victims in the past does not give you a war crimes hall pass.
The arrogance and confidence with which people like you speak about antisemitism, despite having never learned anything about it or thought even a second about it in a critical way, is astounding.
You donât understand Holocaust denialism or antisemitism and yet here you are proclaiming your moral righteousness!
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 31 Jul 2024 17:34
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Donât be so antisemetic.
Israel isnât Jewish people.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 17:44
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You arenât being clever by doubling down on an antisemitic canard.
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 31 Jul 2024 17:47
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Says the person trying to link criticism of Israel to antisemitism.
Everyone is tired of this nonsense. Israel
Is not Jewish people, many Jews outright hate the state. You can freely attack and criticise Israel without it being a reflection on Jewish people.
The only person who would think otherwise is an actual antisemite.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 17:57
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Everyone is tired of this nonsense.
Hereâs a fun fact for you:
Even naming itâthat is, calling out bigotry against Jewsâcan be classed as yet another sign of assumed evil intent, of Jews attacking beloved principles of justice for all. In an April 2023 lecture, David Nirenberg, the historian, presented the example of an activist with a large following whose boundary-pushing rhetoric met with accusations of anti-Semitism. The activist pointed out, as Nirenberg put it, that anti-Semitism âwas merely an accusation that Jews used to silence criticism and squash free speech.â He brought libel lawsuits against newspapers that accused him of anti-Semitism, and won them. It is unfortunate for those making this argument today that this activist was named Adolf Hitler.
None of this is new. Jews have seen all of this before.
Israel Is not Jewish people, many Jews outright hate the state.
No, they donât. 88% of British Jews have been to Israel at least once, and 73% say that they feel very or somewhat attached to the country. Eight-in-ten U.S. Jews say caring about Israel is an essential or important part of what being Jewish means to them. Nearly six-in-ten say they personally feel an emotional attachment to Israel, and a similar share say they follow news about the Jewish state at least somewhat closely. There arenât any longer sizeable Jewish populations outside of the English-speaking or Hebrew-speaking world to compare with, they were all killed or expelled in the last century. The lesson of the 20th century to the Jews was that you either spoke English or Hebrew or you died.
You can freely attack and criticise Israel without it being a reflection on Jewish people.
Depends on the criticism.
The only person who would think otherwise is an actual antisemite.
Projection.
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 31 Jul 2024 17:59
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No one cares about your hateful nonsense.
Criticism of Israel is not criticism of Judaism.
End of fucking story.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 18:07
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No wonder Lemmy is a Jew-free, Judenrein website with people like you dominating it.
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 31 Jul 2024 18:15
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Donât pull that crap.
One of the bloody mods of this community is Jewish. Many users on the Fediverse are Jewish. Being Jewish does not mean you support Israel.
Criticism of Israel is not critics of Judaism. Get that through your head.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 18:26
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There are almost no Jews anywhere in the world who would oppose the existence of the State of Israel. As I just pointed out, an overwhelming majority of British and American Jews see Israel as a central part of their Jewish identity, have visited, have relatives there, and feel an emotional connection to it.
Naturei Karta are a tiny fringe minority. If youâre thinking they represent some sort of larger phenomenon youâre living in a bubble.
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 31 Jul 2024 18:32
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Sounds like a problem with your instance.
lemmy.world/c/jewish doesnât even appear in your screenshot for starters, so itâs obvious youâre not seeing a full list of results.
But more importantly, Jewish people are under no obligation to make a Lemmy community and post about their religion, just as any one else isnât. An absence of such community does not reflect an absence of followers.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 18:37
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lemmy.world/c/jewish doesnât even appear in your screenshot for starters, so itâs obvious youâre not seeing a full list of results.
81 subscribers
Okay, cool, thatâs good to know.
What does /c/Jewish think about the idea of abolishing the State of Israel? Do they agree with you about antisemitism? Have you tried engaging with them about that?
But more importantly, Jewish people are under no obligation to make a Lemmy community and post about their religion, just as any one else isnât. An absence of such community does not reflect an absence of followers.
It does in fact reflect an absence of followers. Jews do not feel welcome or safe among radical leftists, who tend to dominate Lemmy. They therefore stay away.
You donât genuinely think that thereâs no problem here? Most Jews donât move from Reddit to Lemmy because Lemmy is dominated by left-wing people, and left-wing people are the current threat to Jews.
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 31 Jul 2024 18:44
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The number of subscribers does not matter.
This shows you do not access to have accurate information about Lemmy. As such any claims you wish to make are irrelevant.
You have no information to add and as weâve already discussed criticism of Israel is not criticism of Judaism, so Iâll be leaving now.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 18:47
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I assume youâre going to go through the next few years very confused why Jews are scared of you.
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 31 Jul 2024 18:50
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Every Jewish person I know hates Israel.
Now go have your last say personal insult again.
Streamwave@feddit.uk
on 31 Jul 2024 19:06
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You donât know many Jewish people and the others have chosen not to interact with you.
My guess is that you said and did nothing for your Jewish neighbours and classmates and colleagues and friends on October 8th. Iâm guessing you also said nothing when crowds gathered outside Sydney Opera House to chant âgas the Jewsâ.
Jews have an intuitive sense of who would help them if the Holocaust happened again. People who didnât speak out in those days? They went on the âdonât rely on them to hide us in their basementâ list.
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 31 Jul 2024 19:15
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A holocaust is happening today perpetrated by Israel.
If you define âgoodâ as 1) a dangerous escalation that could spark a regional war and 2) effectively killing all hope of a ceasefire in Gaza, then I guess so?
psycho_driver@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 14:11
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A regional war that would likely pull the US in as well.
Of course. Who else would be providing the requisite military hardware?
The slavish display that we witnessed at Netanyahuâs speech in Congress makes it clear that the US is going to back Israel no matter what.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca
on 31 Jul 2024 04:42
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Interesting. It almost reads like a PR statement, restrained, not too inflammatory, like someone threw him under the bus.
ralphio@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 05:23
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The trouble with killing the people who say the propaganda is you eventually end with the people who believe the propganda in charge. This was a consistent takeaway from the war on terror. If Israel were looking to prolong the war, taking out the relative moderates would probably help.
rammer@sopuli.xyz
on 31 Jul 2024 05:58
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It seems obvious that Netanyahu does not want peace. This war is the only thing keeping him in power. There is no incentive for him to seek peace.
Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 07:10
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Not "Israel " but Netanyahu and the religious extreamist.
Israel wants to release all the hostages and end the useless war already
Somethingcheezie@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 09:42
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Hell, Iran wants to have it prolonged too. Theyâve dreamed of this. Spent a lot of time, energy and money to have things blow up this way. They donât care: the ends justify the means.
Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 14:31
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Religious extremists in Iran. Itâs a global war that the 3 religions declared on the western world, but somehow we keep calling the countries by names.
Doorbook@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 14:32
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Iran didnt show any sign they want to prelong this war. The fact that before their drone attack notify both the US and the UK about the time of the attack refute your claim. Because they have the right to lunch a bigger attack if they wanted.
Doorbook@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 14:30
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When did Ismael made a propaganda statement. He is a diplomatic office leader. His job is to meet and speak with other power in region.
Genuinely curiuos why this comment in particular got obliterated. Do people dispute the premise that the leaders are more rational then the followers?
Maggoty@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 19:10
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Pissed off both sides. Pro Palestinian posters donât like that he was called a propagandist and Pro Isrealis donât like any implication Netanyahu is killing a massive number of people to stay in power.
I only dispute that the guy is a âmoderateâ, everything else I agree with.
filister@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 07:48
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So they killed one of the negotiators, and who is considered moderate and more diplomatic.
I wonder how the relatives of the hostages still held in Gaza feel about it. Israel is doing everything possible to hijack the ceasefire negotiations process.
anas@lemmy.world
on 31 Jul 2024 10:02
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It took them nine months to finally target a âHamas leaderâ, and they assassinate a political, not military, leader after butchering every single family member of his beforehand.
So Hamas or not, interesting choice of target by the genocidal apartheid state.
Edit: and Al Jazeera says:
Turkish politicians view Haniyeh as a dedicated figure who has tirelessly worked to broker a ceasefire, frequently travelling between Doha and Istanbul.
Gsus4@mander.xyz
on 31 Jul 2024 14:45
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So, who planned the Oct 7th attack?
Fuck hamas and fuck bibi and his fascists for using them for his fascist politics.
pickman_model@sh.itjust.works
on 31 Jul 2024 23:22
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Looks to me like a natural choice: the visible head of Hamas, which is the enemy. I donât think Israel is interested in peace negotiations, so it is also a way to say they donât care and they will wipe out everyone there. Which is in line with everything else Bibi & company have been saying and doing.
YeetPics@mander.xyz
on 31 Jul 2024 18:08
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I love the idea that half the people in this thread donât understand that 2 things can be bad at once.
You donât have to fellate Hamas to see Israel is genociding.
Also, dismissing Hamas as lame terrorists doesnât mean one is a âZionistâ or whatever the ascribed insult is this week.
I wonder what level of security these people follow, considering they know Israel could kill them at any time.
It seems almost ridiculous that Iran canât prevent precision air strikes within its own borders.
Also wasnât this the dude responsible for leading the ceasefire negotiations bruh
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 01 Aug 2024 07:23
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Israel has access to American spy sats. Haniyehâs location would be a poor kept secret as he show up publicly for the presidential inauguration of the Iranian president on tuesday.
Destroying things with bombs and missiles is a lot easier than stopping the missiles. Even Iran managed to strike Israeli military locations beginning this year through the biggest defense layer in the world.
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Israel isnât taking credit for that?
The Guardian says it was a raid on a house.
theguardian.com/âŚ/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-deaâŚ
Quoting from the linked article:
I know people often just read the headline ⌠but just reading the URL is new.
The newest AP article has modified the statement I quoted.
I think Iran is saying there was an airstrike, but (unless I missed it) there hasnât been confirmation by Western countries that an airstrike took place.
tfw Lemmyâs other top news junkie beats you to the post
Iâd say get another hobby, but Iâm addicted to scrolling Lemmy
Two in one day, thatâs pretty good.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/73644060-9a17-4b13-8c25-f74ed62defca.webp">
Hereâs a picture of the 2 confirmed victims of that first strike youâre referring to.
Edit for sake of accuracy: Hezballah just confirmed the death of their targeted member after previously claiming he survived which should put death toll at 4 including a woman and the 2 mentioned kids along with 74 injured in the strike
Israel canât stop slaughtering children.
Wont, not canât. Canât implies that itâs not a choice.
They feel compelled by the fact they donât think the children are human
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
Well thatâs fucked, but nobody said anything about Christians or any kind of rituals, I think it was in reference to the ongoing genocide.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
Israel may be an ethnostate, but the actions of its leadership are not representative of the Jewish population as a whole. That is to say, stop disingenuously conflating criticism of a genocidal government with antisemitism.
An âethnostateâ significantly more ethnically and religiously diverse than any country in Europe, the Middle East or Asia.
Japan is 99% ethnic Yamato Japanese. Is Japan an ethnostate? And should they be criticised for this?
73% of Israelis are Jews, more than half of which are Middle Eastern (Mizrahi) Jews, i.e. zero connection to Europe. The other 27% of Israeli citizens are usually Arabs who are either Muslim, Christian, Druze, Bedouin, Circassians, Bahaâi, Armenians, Samaritans, etc. They have the same civil, legal, political and religious rights as Jewish Israelis. Theyâre represented at every level of government, including in the parliament with an explicitly Arabist political party that has once served in a coalition government.
And itâs⌠Israel thatâs the âethnostateâ. Got it.
Accusing Jews of being unable to stop themselves from murdering children is unambiguous antisemitism with a long history dating back to the Middle Ages.
Itâs evident that youâre cherry-picking tangential details to argue against, so let me say this in unambiguous terms:
People here are not accusing Jews of doing anything. We arenât using âIsraelâ as a stand-in or dogwhisle for ethnically Jewish people or the Jewish religion.
People are accusing the government of Israel of being unwilling to refrain from committing war crimes.
Yes, Iâm sure itâs a complete coincidence that Israel alone among all the countries in the world, including Syria (where Assad slaughtered more than half a million Syrians), China (engaged in the genocide of the Uyghurs) and Azerbaijan (who literally ethnically cleansed Nagorno-Karabakh of Armenians just last year), is the only one accused of being bloodthirsty child-murderers who regard non-Jewish children as less than human.
Couldnât be that a key theme of antisemitism over 2,000 years retains a deep hold on peopleâs imaginations and biases, influencing their views today even if they arenât fully cognisant of, could it?
Nah. Itâs just a coincidence that itâs only the Jewish state accused of this.
Iâm sorry you must have slept through the last decade?
Those accusations were absolutely there. They just werenât a conversation because everyone agreed. Why are you defending a genocidal regime?
If I believed that Israel was a genocidal âregimeâ (by which you mean democratic government) I wouldnât be defending it.
So youâre willing to link to the blood libel Wikipedia page but you deny the existence of this genocide. I guess âNever Againâ had an asterisk?
Let me give you the full sentence:
âNever again will the Jewish people put their safety and security in the hands of non-Jews.â
Non-Jews were given a test with the Holocaust and we comprehensively failed.
From now on, the Jewish people will only ever trust themselves to protect them. Rightly so, in my view.
And yes, I do deny thereâs a genocide in Gaza. If they wanted to just eradicate them then this war would have been over many months ago.
Yeah youâre going to need to source that. Never Again is a slogan referring to the Holocaust. At best some people say it means just for Jews, but I think we can all agree genocide is bad, right?
I think we can all agree that the Jews and only the Jews have the right to determine what that phrase, which they coined, meant to them.
By which you must mean only the super hardcore Zionists right? Because Iâm pretty sure these guys disagree with your definition. Pretty sure Stefanie disagrees. Oh look, more disagreement.
Cherry picking hardliner writing to try and coopt a common phrase isnât very cool. Especially if youâre using it to deny a genocide.
You can always find fringe groups. Itâs a bit pathetic to so openly signal that you know thatâs what youâre doing. Youâve picked massively marginal, tiny and unimportant groups. Itâs really embarrassing for you man. I mean, really? Boston Review? Câmon man, grow up.
How many Jewish groups share your opinion that the Jews alone, among all the peoples of the world, have no right to national self-determination?
And I swear to fucking God if you add a Naturei Karta link, a group of less than 2,000 members globally, you will have problems.
I never said Jews donât have the right to Self Determination. Everyone has the right to Self Determination.
Including the Palestinians.
And youâre going to argue that hardcore Zionists are the majority of Judaism? With zero proof? and call my sources embarrassing? What is this the school playground? Are you rubber?
Itâs not Blood Libel if the actual government is doing it.
Antisemites have always believed this. This isnât new. The people who claimed Jews were intent on slaughtering non-Jewish children because they saw them as sub-human did also believe that wholeheartedly. It wasnât just a ruse.
Everyone rational has always believed this. The government of Israel is not the Jewish people any more than the government of ISIS was representative of Muslims.
By openly identifying your endorsement of an ancient and false antisemitic trope, youâve invalidated your right to have any opinion about anything.
Bye.
You can wail and gnash your teeth all you want. The government of Israel will never represent Judaism.
Did you mean to reply to my comment? Not sure how thatâs relevant.
Anyway, you endorse a 1,500 year old antisemitic conspiracy theory, so Iâm not sure why you think you deserve to be treated with respect or dignity.
If saying the government of Israel is not all of Judaism is blood libel then everything is blood libel and the label is meaningless.
Just to be clear then:
Are you claiming that the Jewish governing party, made up of Jewish individuals, in the Jewish State (Israel) are incapable of holding back their bloodlust to slaughter non-Jewish children on the basis that they see them as lesser than Jewish children?
Take a moment. Think about it. Because we both know that this is in fact what you have been claiming. And maybe you want to walk that back, and self-reflect, and think whether maybe youâve gone wrong at some point in your justifiable attempt to seek justice for oppressed peoples.
At the point theyâre publicly calling those kids names while bombing them⌠Yes itâs pretty clear they believe Palestinians are subhuman. And if thatâs blood libel then so is saying Hitler believed Jews to be sub human
You cannot have it both ways. You cannot commit genocide and tell the world theyâre the racists because they called you out.
The Israeli government
And again, you cannot cover up a genocide with anti-genocide rhetoric. Thatâs the height of ridiculousness. Having been victims in the past does not give you a war crimes hall pass.
And oh boy a threat.
economist.com/âŚ/guest-post-why-comparing-israel-tâŚ
fathomjournal.org/holocaust-inversion-and-contempâŚ
muse.jhu.edu/article/720052
âŚshu.ac.uk/âŚ/Klaff_Holocaust_Inversion_and_contemâŚ
www.ajc.org/translatehate/Holocaust-denial
core.ac.uk/outputs/42540646/
âŚroyalholloway.ac.uk/âŚ/holocaust-inversion-anti-zâŚ
The arrogance and confidence with which people like you speak about antisemitism, despite having never learned anything about it or thought even a second about it in a critical way, is astounding.
You donât understand Holocaust denialism or antisemitism and yet here you are proclaiming your moral righteousness!
Removed, civility.
Removed, civility.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
Donât be so antisemetic.
Israel isnât Jewish people.
You arenât being clever by doubling down on an antisemitic canard.
Says the person trying to link criticism of Israel to antisemitism.
Everyone is tired of this nonsense. Israel Is not Jewish people, many Jews outright hate the state. You can freely attack and criticise Israel without it being a reflection on Jewish people.
The only person who would think otherwise is an actual antisemite.
Hereâs a fun fact for you:
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/âŚ/677454/
None of this is new. Jews have seen all of this before.
No, they donât. 88% of British Jews have been to Israel at least once, and 73% say that they feel very or somewhat attached to the country. Eight-in-ten U.S. Jews say caring about Israel is an essential or important part of what being Jewish means to them. Nearly six-in-ten say they personally feel an emotional attachment to Israel, and a similar share say they follow news about the Jewish state at least somewhat closely. There arenât any longer sizeable Jewish populations outside of the English-speaking or Hebrew-speaking world to compare with, they were all killed or expelled in the last century. The lesson of the 20th century to the Jews was that you either spoke English or Hebrew or you died.
Depends on the criticism.
Projection.
No one cares about your hateful nonsense.
Criticism of Israel is not criticism of Judaism.
End of fucking story.
No wonder Lemmy is a Jew-free, Judenrein website with people like you dominating it.
Donât pull that crap.
One of the bloody mods of this community is Jewish. Many users on the Fediverse are Jewish. Being Jewish does not mean you support Israel.
Criticism of Israel is not critics of Judaism. Get that through your head.
Uhuh
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What do you even mean by âsupport Israelâ?
There are almost no Jews anywhere in the world who would oppose the existence of the State of Israel. As I just pointed out, an overwhelming majority of British and American Jews see Israel as a central part of their Jewish identity, have visited, have relatives there, and feel an emotional connection to it.
Naturei Karta are a tiny fringe minority. If youâre thinking they represent some sort of larger phenomenon youâre living in a bubble.
Sounds like a problem with your instance.
lemmy.world/c/jewish doesnât even appear in your screenshot for starters, so itâs obvious youâre not seeing a full list of results.
But more importantly, Jewish people are under no obligation to make a Lemmy community and post about their religion, just as any one else isnât. An absence of such community does not reflect an absence of followers.
Okay, cool, thatâs good to know.
What does /c/Jewish think about the idea of abolishing the State of Israel? Do they agree with you about antisemitism? Have you tried engaging with them about that?
It does in fact reflect an absence of followers. Jews do not feel welcome or safe among radical leftists, who tend to dominate Lemmy. They therefore stay away.
Also, hereâs a comparison:
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You donât genuinely think that thereâs no problem here? Most Jews donât move from Reddit to Lemmy because Lemmy is dominated by left-wing people, and left-wing people are the current threat to Jews.
The number of subscribers does not matter.
This shows you do not access to have accurate information about Lemmy. As such any claims you wish to make are irrelevant.
You have no information to add and as weâve already discussed criticism of Israel is not criticism of Judaism, so Iâll be leaving now.
I assume youâre going to go through the next few years very confused why Jews are scared of you.
Every Jewish person I know hates Israel.
Now go have your last say personal insult again.
You donât know many Jewish people and the others have chosen not to interact with you.
My guess is that you said and did nothing for your Jewish neighbours and classmates and colleagues and friends on October 8th. Iâm guessing you also said nothing when crowds gathered outside Sydney Opera House to chant âgas the Jewsâ.
Jews have an intuitive sense of who would help them if the Holocaust happened again. People who didnât speak out in those days? They went on the âdonât rely on them to hide us in their basementâ list.
A holocaust is happening today perpetrated by Israel.
Also no one said gas the Jews.
amp.theguardian.com/âŚ/afternoon-update-expert-finâŚ
Nope, done. Not having that level of antisemitism.
Goodbye.
Good, good riddance to antisemitic, genocide deniers.
If you define âgoodâ as 1) a dangerous escalation that could spark a regional war and 2) effectively killing all hope of a ceasefire in Gaza, then I guess so?
A regional war that would likely pull the US in as well.
Of course. Who else would be providing the requisite military hardware?
The slavish display that we witnessed at Netanyahuâs speech in Congress makes it clear that the US is going to back Israel no matter what.
Interesting. It almost reads like a PR statement, restrained, not too inflammatory, like someone threw him under the bus.
The trouble with killing the people who say the propaganda is you eventually end with the people who believe the propganda in charge. This was a consistent takeaway from the war on terror. If Israel were looking to prolong the war, taking out the relative moderates would probably help.
It seems obvious that Netanyahu does not want peace. This war is the only thing keeping him in power. There is no incentive for him to seek peace.
And heâs very likely going to jail once he leaves office, so he has even more reason than most to cling on.
Itâs always been about his survival.
Not "Israel " but Netanyahu and the religious extreamist. Israel wants to release all the hostages and end the useless war already
Hell, Iran wants to have it prolonged too. Theyâve dreamed of this. Spent a lot of time, energy and money to have things blow up this way. They donât care: the ends justify the means.
Religious extremists in Iran. Itâs a global war that the 3 religions declared on the western world, but somehow we keep calling the countries by names.
Iran didnt show any sign they want to prelong this war. The fact that before their drone attack notify both the US and the UK about the time of the attack refute your claim. Because they have the right to lunch a bigger attack if they wanted.
When did Ismael made a propaganda statement. He is a diplomatic office leader. His job is to meet and speak with other power in region.
Genuinely curiuos why this comment in particular got obliterated. Do people dispute the premise that the leaders are more rational then the followers?
Pissed off both sides. Pro Palestinian posters donât like that he was called a propagandist and Pro Isrealis donât like any implication Netanyahu is killing a massive number of people to stay in power.
Probably true lol.
I only dispute that the guy is a âmoderateâ, everything else I agree with.
So they killed one of the negotiators, and who is considered moderate and more diplomatic.
I wonder how the relatives of the hostages still held in Gaza feel about it. Israel is doing everything possible to hijack the ceasefire negotiations process.
It took them nine months to finally target a âHamas leaderâ, and they assassinate a political, not military, leader after butchering every single family member of his beforehand.
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajiâun.
Genocide against people of Muslim faith will make them deeper believers : israNazism in action.
N.B. The Arabic word âAllahâ is typically translated to English as âGodâ.
Howâs that work is Lillahi and Ilayhi referring to God/Him? Is Inna âweâ?
i just asked a few question to an LLM to refine this translation ⌠i know nothing of Arabic (sorry)
Inna -> We
lillahi -> (belong) to Allah
wa -> and
inna -> we (are)
ilayhi -> to Him
rajiâun -> returning
There have been several leaders killed over the past months.
And he will not be missed
BBC is calling him a key figure in ceasefire negotiations:
www.bbc.com/news/live/c4ng7g74xppt?post=asset%3A7âŚ
So Hamas or not, interesting choice of target by the genocidal apartheid state.
Edit: and Al Jazeera says:
aljazeera.com/âŚ/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israel-hâŚ
So, who planned the Oct 7th attack? Fuck hamas and fuck bibi and his fascists for using them for his fascist politics.
Looks to me like a natural choice: the visible head of Hamas, which is the enemy. I donât think Israel is interested in peace negotiations, so it is also a way to say they donât care and they will wipe out everyone there. Which is in line with everything else Bibi & company have been saying and doing.
I love the idea that half the people in this thread donât understand that 2 things can be bad at once.
You donât have to fellate Hamas to see Israel is genociding.
Also, dismissing Hamas as lame terrorists doesnât mean one is a âZionistâ or whatever the ascribed insult is this week.
I wonder what level of security these people follow, considering they know Israel could kill them at any time.
It seems almost ridiculous that Iran canât prevent precision air strikes within its own borders.
Also wasnât this the dude responsible for leading the ceasefire negotiations bruh
Israel has access to American spy sats. Haniyehâs location would be a poor kept secret as he show up publicly for the presidential inauguration of the Iranian president on tuesday.
Destroying things with bombs and missiles is a lot easier than stopping the missiles. Even Iran managed to strike Israeli military locations beginning this year through the biggest defense layer in the world.