Louvre pushes up prices for non-EU visitors by 45% (www.lemonde.fr)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 11:42
https://lemmy.world/post/39430215

Paris’s Louvre museum said on Thursday, November 27, it would raise ticket prices for most non-EU visitors, meaning US, British and Chinese tourists among others will have to pay $37 to get in.

The museum told Agence France-Presse (AFP) the 45% price hike aims to boost annual revenues by up to $23 million to fund structural improvements at the world’s most-visited art museum, which is reeling from the daylight theft of priceless treasures last month.

From 2026, visitors from outside the European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway will have to pay €32 – an extra €10 – from January 14, the museum and staff unions said after the measure was approved at a museum board meeting.

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cron@feddit.org on 28 Nov 11:50 next collapse

How will they decide which ticket you get? Do you need a passport to enter the Louvre?

comrade_twisty@feddit.org on 28 Nov 11:58 next collapse

They‘ve been checking IDs since around 2001. Something major must have happened that year…

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 28 Nov 13:29 collapse

Usually they just ask. A lot of museums in EU are free for EU citizens. I was never asked to prove I’m from EU, only asked. Other museum are free for city residents and in those they do ask for an ID.

flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz on 28 Nov 12:11 next collapse

Someone has to pay for security they finally figured out is needed

pHr34kY@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 12:18 next collapse

Literally racist.

mitram@sopuli.xyz on 28 Nov 12:32 next collapse

Under the rules of the EU most benefits an European country provides to their citizens must be provided to residents of other European nationalities.

With that in mind I guess the purpose is to keep the price of access to culture lower for locals and still follow the rules from the EU

Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz on 28 Nov 12:37 next collapse

American is not a race.

pHr34kY@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 12:51 next collapse

There’s an entire planet of races you forgot about. Besides, I saw the crown jewels a week before they were nicked so I don’t need to go back anytime soon.

TheBat@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 17:26 collapse

Besides, I saw the crown jewels a week before they were nicked

I believe the correct term is ‘scoping the joint’ 🕵️‍♂️

theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Nov 14:49 next collapse

The people complaining are not mad about Americans but mad about up charging say egytptians to view their artifacts looted by napoleon and that’s just one example why attack a position nobody is taking.

Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca on 28 Nov 16:34 collapse

A race … to the bottom.

Ba dum tssss!

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 28 Nov 13:03 next collapse

which is peachy because i bet many of the artifacts in such a museum are stolen from the very people now paying more to see them.

theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Nov 14:50 collapse

yep and the people arguing against this blatantly correct take are just pretending we are upset about americans paying more while completely ignoring the actual argument.

TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Nov 13:18 next collapse

It’s run by the fucking French, what do you expect?

comrade_twisty@feddit.org on 28 Nov 13:25 collapse

Everything that’s lacking in America and more. Starting with manners and self-reflection.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 28 Nov 16:03 collapse

self-reflect a bit about the stolen artifacts being exposed in that museum, then.

verdi@feddit.org on 29 Nov 11:50 collapse

Interesting question. If artifacts were built/crafted by slaves working in Egypt, should one return the artifacts to the Egyptians or the people who actually laboured to produce the artifact?

nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Nov 12:41 collapse

Either way it seems to me like Egypt has to be the entity that reckons with that question as it’s a part of their past.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 28 Nov 13:31 collapse

Literally opposite of racist. Same races are EU citizens and not EU-citizens. This is literally about residence, not race.

I mean, unless you consider US citizens to be separate race.

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raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 13:55 collapse

You are also wrong, “races” do not exist. Racism is the belief that “race” is a thing, and deducing opinions from that. Do not use racist terminology, please.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 28 Nov 14:04 next collapse

Sorry, “ethnic groups”.

raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 14:08 next collapse

Much better :)

Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca on 28 Nov 16:34 collapse

Haplogroups

SlimePirate@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Nov 10:08 next collapse

As you said racism is the belief that races exist AND that they should be hierarchized. It is true that the genetic diversity is too big in the race groups for it to be biological races, so the word usually is a synonym for way too big ethnic groups.

Thus using “race” is biologically ambiguous and “ethnic groups” should be preferred, however it is still very well socially defined. Using “race” in a social context makes sense and is far from being racist.

Saying “black people are discriminated” is a talk about race not ethnic group. “Black people” is not an ethnic group, it has hundred of ethnic groups and some ethnic groups are mixed race.

Muehe@lemmy.ml on 29 Nov 12:58 next collapse

Thus using “race” is biologically ambiguous and “ethnic groups” should be preferred, however it is still very well socially defined.

“Ethnic group” is an anthropological category, not a biological one. The correct biological term is “subspecies”, which Wikipedia defines as “populations that live in different areas and vary in size, shape, or other physical characteristics (morphology), but that can successfully interbreed.”

Using “race” in a social context makes sense and is far from being racist.

Given the history of its usage in that context, I have to vehemently disagree. Plus it is so ill defined that it is a useless term anyway. From Wikipedia again: “[…] various definitions exist. Sometimes it is used to denote a level below that of subspecies, while at other times it is used as a synonym for subspecies.”

Using it invokes all the Social Darwinism and whatnot that the Nazis and others abused it for. So where is the sense in using it exactly?

saimen@feddit.org on 29 Nov 14:29 collapse

Race isn’t biological at all. It is purely about phenotypes like dark skin colour and mainly comes from dog breeding. There is much more genetic diversity in between people with or without dark skin colour than between these two groups as a whole. So there really isn’t anything other than a different skin colour. Just look at pictures of Albino Africans. They would perfectly fit in the “white race” category and they actually are because again the only distinction is the skin colour. Nothing else attached.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Nov 14:12 collapse

Race definitely exists, it’s just a social construct. Like gender.

titanicx@lemmy.zip on 28 Nov 13:41 next collapse

I had German ladder trucks are good for bypassing this fee increase.

ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de on 28 Nov 15:10 collapse

You can even take your favorite pieces home for continuous access.

titanicx@lemmy.zip on 28 Nov 16:09 collapse

Oh boy oh boy oh boy! I heard them French crown jewels are magnificent!

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 13:49 next collapse

I wonder how many artifacts are stolen from France old colonies

Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 13:59 next collapse

I doubt there are that many in the Louvre. Probably more in other museums.

mrdown@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 14:09 collapse

Any evidence?

I found this page with many example of stolen artifacts in French museums a lot of them in Louvre just by Napoleonic armies alone

en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_art_looted_by_Napoleon…

Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 14:14 collapse

Just a hunch to be honest. But the list you provided does not show artifacts from the french colonies.

demonsword@lemmy.world on 28 Nov 16:46 collapse

the french stole quite a bit from their colonies but they’re not even close to the british, which looted from a sizeble part of the entire world

thericofactor@sh.itjust.works on 28 Nov 14:24 next collapse

I’ve been to Russia (st. Petersburg) where entering a church would cost $10, but for Russians a couple of rubles.

It makes sense from the perspective that locals should be able to afford seeing their own art and architecture. If foreigners can afford it and are willing to pay the asked amount, I sort of understand.

TronBronson@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 12:07 collapse

That’s generally how you want to set up your tourist attractions. They provide entertainment and draw for residents and you pass upkeep costs onto the visitors.

itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works on 29 Nov 13:53 collapse

I usually agree with this point but it does create an awkward spot for museums with a lot of international exhibits. Like, you did a colonialism, stole my peoples stuff, brought it back here, and are now charging me extra to see it? Idk how you get around that, except maybe returning the stuff I guess.

theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Nov 14:47 next collapse

Given the stolen artifacts if anything non-eu should pay much less.

melsaskca@lemmy.ca on 29 Nov 12:11 next collapse

Hmm…that’s what Trump is doing in america as well. Prices higher for foreigners. Maybe the money world isn’t so different after all.

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 29 Nov 13:02 collapse

But I can still get in that back window for free, right?

Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works on 29 Nov 13:34 collapse

BYOCC (bring your own circular saw)

AtariDump@lemmy.world on 29 Nov 14:40 collapse

BYOCC (bring your own circular saw)

Shouldn’t that be BYOCS?