The 10-year-old boy who has become the face of starvation in Gaza
(www.smh.com.au)
from sirboozebum@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 10 Mar 2024 11:24
https://lemmy.world/post/12954765
from sirboozebum@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 10 Mar 2024 11:24
https://lemmy.world/post/12954765
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Fuck me, i just saw this while taking a 5€ cappucinno and brunching in a preppy coffee shop, and now i think how fucked up this world is.
It’s easy to blame yourself for this stuff, but the people that are actually responsible take advantage of that empathy. All we can do is verbally condemn the people responsible and in some cases show action by attending or organizing public protests.
Its equatable to oil companies blaming consumers for plastic waste, oil spills, and fossil fuel emissions.
Thank you, I needed this reminder.
Fuck these genocidal freaks. There is literally no excuse to let this happen…
I’ve said this before and I will say it again. This period of time will go down in history as a particularly dark time in human history. The fact that not only is this happening, but efforts to stop it from people with real power to change it is incredibly minimal. The world powers letting this happen is perhaps worse that the Zionists doing it.
I hope this will wake people up that our governments don’t work for us and will lead to reform to hold leaders accountable for acting against the will of the people for their personal benefit.
Lol :/
I hope this also kills the centrist obsession with “both sides”-ing every political controversy where people on the left are screaming at the top of their lungs “PLEASE SAVE THEM” and people on the right are screaming “KILL THEM ALL” and then sternly scolding the “please save them” crowd that this isn’t the right time and place for that kind of rhetoric and anyways it unnecessarily divides us and gives the “kill them all” people even more power.
People say this and then go me to vote for Biden, a geriatric genocide funder, ie a centrist who pretends to be liberal to get votes and support.
But did the boy condemn Hamas before he died?
Israel is the Nazi Germany of the Middle East.
Israel is worse than that, unfortunately. They are a culmination of Nazi Germany, the colonial British Empire, and the warmongering USA of the last few decades.
I guess once this is all said and done we’ll say never again, but we did that after WWII and here we are trying to tell the victims of genocide in WWII to remember that it’s a bad fucking thing and don’t do it.
Just what the fuck.
North Korea has been running dozens of literal concentration camps, but dealing with that has been too inconvenient. And it’s only becoming more so as time passes.
Yeah, and China, and Myanmar, and it wasn’t my intention to trivialize those - they are anything but. I was more pointing out that the last time this particular group was involved and the reason they’re even on that land at all. The irony of the whole messed up situation.
Careful lemmy doesnt appreciate “what about ism” it detracts from their flavour of atrocity support.
Support the popular atrocity only dont mention any other.
It’s “whataboutism”, and it’s a poor rhetorical device in any scenario.
Imagine being caught murdering someone and trying to absolve yourself of responsibility by going “hey but what about all the other mass murderers, huh?”
Is my country funding North Korean death camps? Suffering is suffering and all of it matters, but when my tax dollars are paying for it, it just hits a bit differently.
Israel through AIPAC is also dumping $100m on this election cycle aimed directly at progressive candidates. Fuck Israel hard. We don’t want foreign interference in US elections from Russia, and we don’t want it from Israel either. We should have cut those fuckers off ages ago.
The funny part about that is… Isn’t Germany supporting this genocide too?
Reminder that Biden can stop this with one phone call.
Remember that Hamas can stop it, as well.
If you seriously believe that, I have a lovely villa in downtown Rafah to sell to you. In a really quiet neighborhood.
I think there are other realities which can be considered a better investment
Seems like you’re already invested in alternate realities.
Do you seriously believe that Israel will change how they treat Palestinians once they get all their hostages back? And that magically will start allowing more humanitarian aid and start killing so many innocent people?
Or shall I better ask you if you still believe in unicorns and fairy tales
Actually yes. Once hamas raises white flag and returns hostages, Israel’s high-level offense will stop, so their treatment will be better.
“If we just don’t make a
fuzzfuss and walk to the trains and the gas chambers peacefully, I’m sure they’ll treat us better”You can’t be that delusional
edit fuzz -> fuss
That’s a very different story because unlike Hamas, Jews weren’t organizing terrorist attacks against Germans and they didn’t declare war against them so many times.
Are you serious?
…wikipedia.org/…/Jewish_resistance_in_German-occu…
That was a direct and not so effective response to WW2 started by germans. Just like Israel responds to Hamas now.
You know what was happening concurrently with WWII?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism
…wikipedia.org/…/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_P…
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
So you’re claiming “Hamas started it”?
Hamas was founded in the late 80’s.
The Irgun were bombing Arabians in the 30’s, 50 years earlier.
Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by The New York Times, the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry, prominent world figures such as Winston Churchill and Jewish figures such as Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and many others. Irgun launched a series of attacks which lasted until the founding of Israel. All told, Irgun attacks against Arab targets resulted in at least 250 Arab deaths during this period
Arabs were attacking Jews even in 1920s. Are we going to track who started the first attack? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Musa_riots
UN in the 1940s proposed a solution. Israel accepted and Arabs responded with a War.
The Battle of Tel Hai, which lead to those protests, is a part of the Franco-Syrian war, and not even considered a part of the intercommunal conflict by many.
Ie not related to the conflict we’re talking about.
In the wake of the protests, sheikhs of 82 villages around the city and Jaffa, claiming to represent 70% of the population, issued a document protesting the demonstrations against the Jews.
The leaders of the local Arab community protested the Arab Nationalists, despite the growing Zionism.
You just can’t admit to Israel bearing any part of the blame. I show you history of zionists bombing hundreds of people dead and you think linking a small protest that was barely violent somehow makes the currently ongoing genocide alright?
That kind of willfull ignorance is what enabled the holocaust.
And now you’re proudly displaying it.
It turns my stomach, literally.
You don’t understand that I am not saying “Israel started it”. I’m mocking you for not realising how childish going “but mooooom, he started it” is.
You were the one who stared going into history and it was you who started finding old escalations trying to unsuccessfully prove that it were the Jews who firstly attacked. As you have pointed out, this approach makes zero sense.
In addition, I have never said Israel has no responsibility in this conflict as a whole. They made many mistakes, just like Palestinians.
What I disagree with, though, and pointed it out many times, is, how extremely one sided many of the arguments are.
You didn’t read the last line of my previous comment? Here:
That being said, while the origins of the conflict are clearly multifaceted, the Zionists seem to have a bit more of a… presence in the history books than Palestinian nationalists. The rhetoric of “divine right” versus “but we fucking live here already”.
It’s extremely naive to think that if Hamas were to say “okay, you win, here are the hostages” that this clearly purposeful ethnic cleansing would just stop and all the hostilities would seize and that Hamas somehow had a way to enforce a seize-fire in the first place. You were saying “unironically, yeah, it would”. No, it clearly wouldn’t as we’ve just demonstrated just how far back the conflict goes.
Which, to remind you, is at least 50 years before Hamas was even founded.
“How extremely one-sided many of the arguments are”
You mean like… people saying that no matter what Hamas has done, it doesn’t excuse Israel committing genocide, perpetuating war crimes, breaking basic human rights? Because, that’s not “one-sided”, because no matter what Hamas has done, **genocide is inexcusable. **
So do you think Israel is guilty of breaking international laws and conventions?
Let my start with your question: Yes, it is crystal clear Israel broke international laws. I do not think we have to debate about it.
Despite committing war crimes, it is still their right to defend against terrorists.
Then you also said Israel commits genocide, however, the case still is at ICJ and so far they have not issued a statement that Israel commits genocide, hence it is incorrect to assume they do.
Furthermore, I see Palestinian radicals to be more present in history books than Zionists (at least in middle EU) for organizing a terrorist every once in a while and walking away when possible deals are on the table, EDIT: though this is not completely fair because I see their breaches as equally bad.
Yeah, I knew it, you’re just a holocaust-denier. Ooh wait, no, wrong genocide. Or… was it?
en.wikipedia.org/…/The_Holocaust_and_the_Nakba
They have issued a ruling, actually.
ohchr.org/…/gaza-icj-ruling-offers-hope-protectio…
aljazeera.com/…/what-has-the-icj-ordered-israel-t…
“It’s not a genocide, it’s just that our defense minister is yelling about ‘the extermination of human animals’, we’re bombing indiscriminately, having dropped more bombs in a week than the US dropped on Afghanistan in a year, killed over 12,300 CHILDREN, keep prisoners naked in cages outside, but it’s definitely just defense that we are entitled to.”
ohchr.org/…/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reporte…
businessinsider.com/israel-palestine-confilct-bom…
(sources for the rhetoric and stats on bombs and dead children and abuse of prisoners)
That’s what most Israeli’s sound like. And then you think that people are “one-sided” when they don’t agree with your “NO NO NO NOT A GENOCIDE” delusions?
If there’s no genocide, why did the ICJ order Israel to “do everything in it’s power” to prevent one? Yes, there are still steps before the final verdict can be issued, but pretending you don’t know it is a genocide is downright disgusting.
Yeah, but not if it involves committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing.
Do you understand that no-one purposefully perpetuating a genocide would admit to doing so, obviously?
Is it somewhere written in the ruling that Israel can be breached the genocide convention? No. Even if you compare it to other accepted genocides, this one does not fit. If we just start randomly throwing terms like “genocide” at any conflict that fits your interest, they effectively lose their meaning.
Same situation like when extreme Zionists call you “antisemitic” for disagreeing with them.
You haven’t though, and that is the point.
So let’s do it together, shall we?
Let’s compare.
What is the definition of a genocide?
“Killing”, “Serious bodily harm” “mental harm”
The death toll in #Gaza has surpassed 30,000 — a large majority women and children. Over 70,000 Palestinians have been injured. >12,300 children dead. 17,000 without parents.
press.un.org/en/2024/sc15600.doc.htm
check, check and check
Well Israel is deliberately blocking aid and even attacking aid convoys: palestine.un.org/…/259747-food-convoy-waiting-mov…
So, yeah, check.
aljazeera.com/…/he-was-nameless-orphaned-children…
Orphaned perhaps not close enough? Why force separation though, when the’re no-one to separate them from? But don’t worry, we got the actual separation also covered:
doi.org/10.1136/bmjpo-2022-001655
Intent? Hmm? Let’s see what the going rhetoric is around Israel these days.
timesofisrael.com/…/defense-minister-announces-co…
And I think you’ll accept that’s not a source biased in favour of Palestine, eh?
How about the people?
Lol you seriously said that with a straight face huh? Need to brush up on your history bud.
Was WW2 a result of numerous terrorist attacks of Jews who attacked German civilians? Did Germany start oppression only after Jewish inhabitants killed more than a thousand of Germans repeatedly?
Holy shit. It doesn’t matter if the Jews did committing acts of terrorism during ww2, and it doesn’t matter that Hamas has committed acts of terrorism.
And I can tell you why it doesn’t matter in one (slightly run-on) sentence.
Because no act of terrorism justifies the actions that Israel has taken against Palestinian civilians just as nothing that was done or could have been done by the Jews leading up to WW2 would have justified the holocaust
There is no justification for genocide. Israel can attempt to eliminate Hamas for the actions committed on Oct 7th, but that doesn’t justify their complete disregard for civilian safety and well-being. (Nearly 30k palestinian civilians dead already)
Also, I just want to make it clear that almost every piece of rhetoric that has been used to excuse Israel’s actions in this genocide, were also used to justify the actions taken against the Jews during WW2. And I’m sorry, but if you’re falling for it now, you probably would have fallen for it then too.
I do not necessarily agree that this can be considered a genocide as even ICJ did not give the exact statement and comparing it to holocaust is truly insane.
However, I fully agree that they should follow the international law and they fail to do so. There is no excuse to not following international law just like there is no excuse to starting a brutal terrorist attack like Hamas did.
Also, I honestly doubt I would fall for nazi propaganda considering the fact a singnificant portion of my ancestors were executed by it
It’s “Fuse” btw
Take an upvote, you made me laugh
Fuss* it’s the best look to not proofread lol but I was just trying to let you know.
Yeah that’s true, “fuzz” is what I had on my lip when I was 14.
But “making fuses” also works in the context, lol.
Genocide apologia… blocked!
ICJ didn’t even call Israel’s actions a genocide…
archive.ph/9P0L8
We need to referee to sites that hide content behind cookie walls as paywalls
Paywall bypass extension
Nice. “Bypass Paywall Clean (D)” for Firefox worked.
Fucking disgusting. I don’t get how so many can just be ok with this. Forget your holy war or whatever the fuck it is, these are people and this is barbaric.
Why are people still supporting this stuff? This is just tragic.
I hope everyone realizes that most of Israel is against the government and what they are doing.
I’m surprised after the holocaust that the government has the fucking nerve to inflict the same type of treatment on others.
On this, I’m with you. It’s so ironic it’s absolutely wild and disappointing and depressing.
Regarding this, it’s very difficult to “realize” when most of the media portrays the Israelis as super racist scumbags. I can’t believe some of the things they are shouting at each other (both sides actually but especially the Israelis), and especially considering the other thing you mentioned regarding their history during WWII, and prior. The media (social and otherwise) is showing us video evidence of widespread racism against the Palestinians, all the way from the country leaders (on both sides, granted). It’s hard to deny having seen those images. But it’s also hard to judge how selective the reporting is.
I, for one, have not “realized”, because I can never have the data necessary.
Sounds terrible Hamas should release the hostages so the war can stop and kids won’t suffer anymore.
Yes, everything will be fine in Gaza as long as no-one fights back against the ethnic cleansing. If Hamas just asks nicely, the Zionists will probably reconsider their stance and stop the genocide.
#/S
ohchr.org/…/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reporte…
But that’s probably Hamas’s fault as well, right?
Unironically, yes. There’s been multiple attempts at negotiation in the past, where Israel was even willing to hand over land they had conquered before, for a two-state-solution. Hamas always declined, because they don’t want to negotiate with Israel. They want a world without Israel. And they’d rather have every single Palestinian die than accept their loss and sue for peace.
Haha, yeah, suure m8.
“If we just comply with German demands, I’m sure the Jews will be safe”
You’re really pretending that you don’t even understand that for longer than you’ve been alive, there’s been systemic effort to drive out Palestinians from what I Israel considers it’s land? You’re seriously pretending you’re wholly unaware that “zionism” as a concept even exists?
press.un.org/en/2023/gapal1454.doc.htm
I skipped paragraphs, read the whole article from the link
That is from last August. It’s horrifying to see them talking about the dead of 2023 — by that point in time — “including 44 children”. As the number is now over 12 300, JUST for the dead children.
It’s not Palestinian who keep yelling about “human animals”. It’s Israel who keeps pushing rhetoric like that:
news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145937
And….block!
Hello, average bloodthirsty psychotic American. Tell me more about how little you understand the world outside your borders.
The deal Isael offered was 6-weeks ceasefire for all hostages, then once we take all hostages and reload our ammo, we will go back to boming you again
I was just about to comment like this, but with an “/s,” because I’m a human being.
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That’s really rough. The article says he died from a combination of respiratory infection/malnutrition. I bet the respiratory infection was aspiration pneumonia because they were trying to feed him with whatever they could get their hands on due to his cerebral palsy related dysphagia. Ended up just adding to his problems.