‘Tariff shockwave’ leads to collapse in ocean container bookings
(www.freightwaves.com)
from Eyekaytee@aussie.zone to world@lemmy.world on 21 Apr 12:05
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from Eyekaytee@aussie.zone to world@lemmy.world on 21 Apr 12:05
https://aussie.zone/post/19684297
edit: oops I thought I was linking to the article: freightwaves.com/…/tariff-shockwave-leads-to-coll…
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I read something that some people experienced the collapse of the Roman Empire as their local bridge going out and no one ever coming to fix it.
I think a lot of Americans are going to experience the collapse of the American empire as their favorite treats never getting to the store shelves.
I think it’s highly optimistic to expect that, if anything it’s going to be more like the collapse of the Soviet empire, with weird successor state nonsense, some civil war, guns and violent crime everywhere, and those already in power going on a free for all kill each other and loot everything spree.
On the plus side, it’ll be good circumstances to create new anarchist structures to pick up the pieces.
The problem is that existing power structures will try to transfer their power to the new system, and it isn’t that hard for them to do that. A new anarchist communistic structure will have to fight the CIA and the US military’s various fragments, if it goes as it did in the Warsaw Pact.
Those holding the Power Of Money will keep on using it as long as it has value to make sure they are alright (and screw the rest) hence they’ll keep on propping-up and buying out whomever controls Force and when those lose that control they’ll directly prop-up and buy out the yielders of Force.
Sure, they would’ve preferred it for the many to pay the full costs of formal yielders of Force whose main jobs is protect the holders of the Power Of Money and their assets from the rest - the way the system still works right now - but they can easilly afford to pay the yielders of Force directly if they have to.
Further, even if Money loses its value and hence its power, they’ll fall back to using what’s produced by the Assets they own (for example, food produced in fertile land) to pay the yielders of Force: in a total societal collapse (which, frankly, is unlikely) you can bet that the moneyed classes will use whatever power their money has left to either flee to places were society is not collapsing or setting themselves up as the Warlords of the subsequent age.
Anyways, the point anchoring my free thinking about this is that they’ll try to keep the very same ownership, dependency and control loops going, just at smaller and smaller sizes (i.e. instead of the society-wide “people have no option that directly or indirectly work for the owners of everything to pay for the place they live in and the food they eat who cost what they cost because just a few own everything” you’ll have a smaller sized version of it with a landowner whose land produces food and who uses that food and living areas in that land to pay a couple of armed people to stop the rest from taking the land and the food, so a smaller version of the societal loop we have now were the very people being exploited by money are the ones indirectly giving money the power to exploit them).
Perhaps we will see a more localized anarchist sub-system purely out of necessity.
White power movments are literally waiting for this moment. The outliers are the accelerationists but there far far more that have been preparing for generations to exploit the power vacuum.
A local anarchist group is no match for an well armed generation based organization.
Why wouldn’t the anarchists be well armed too, especially if that’s an obvious necessity for your commune to survive? The only people in the US who refuse to touch a gun, even if their lives depend on it, are the centrist liberals.
One side is a cult that was partially created through a coalition with the gun nuts. The other is a bunch of punks who hate society and are usually impoverished. Which one owns more guns per capita?
How many well organized have decades of experience organizing? Right wing militias are organized and equipped.
They are also a bunch of incompetent idiots
They don’t need to be competent to be dangerous.
and the marines are standing ready to uphold the constitution if it gets that bad.
Lol no they’re not. Trump seized power in a legal coup. They support the constitution and the constitution says Trump is POTUS. Short of a military coup, they will continue to do his bidding and be formed by Goebbels’s propaganda.
I mean to say, for most Americans who are not news aware, the first signs will be that they simply can’t get their treats anymore.
Even then, many of the more rural Americans will only ever have that experience. There’s not going to be guns and tanks rolling through Westboro, Wisconsin.
I think you are underestimating the level of chaos and violence we are headed for. This is going to be much worse than Rome. We will be the barbarians at our own gates.
As one of those more rural Americans-- we’ve always lived that life of not being able to get those things the rest of you take for granted. Whether it’s tofu, cell phone service, or healthcare. So my life will continue with little disruption.
Lmao. You even posting here is proof positive that you will in fact, be disrupted.
The difference is we are used to it. You are not.
I live in the most rural congressional district East of the Mississippi. I’m posting from my Wi-Fi that runs off a 5g while I’m laying in bed in my off grid house that’s half a mile from the nearest neighbor.
My fridge is full of tofu.
Even Walmart has tofu now.
Quit lying to people about what it’s like here.
Good for you. Where I live, there is still no cell service, (got to be in a town for that), and the US Postal Service will not deliver mail to my home, (I need to pay $165 a year to get a postal box in town to get my mail and I need to drive to get it). I do have internet most of the time, but that and the electricity can be sketchy in a storm, the hazards of living in a forest. So if I can’t access that, Oh well, been there before. And I have lived many years without it. Like I said, we will just do without. Oh, and the nearest Walmart is in another country, Canada. I need an enhanced driver’s license or passport to shop there. So I ain’t missing much there either. The nearest hospital, (level 3, the “barely a hospital” level) is 50 miles away and the nearest ambulance is 20 miles away-- you have a heart attack, you will probably die before help gets there.
There is wannabe rural like you and then there is rural.
Good for you.
The fact that I’m in a district that is among the most rural in the US and I’m still a “wannabe” tells me that there aren’t many places left like where you are in the country. Don’t act like you have any significant numbers when you describe people who live like you. You’re not representative.
Either that or your exaggerating. Which I’ve noticed people around me doing a lot. Hell, you might not live that far away based on what you described. You talk about where you live like my neighbors do.
The numbers are still non-zero across the northern US. Needing a passport to shop at Walmart should be at least a hint that I’m over 1000 miles away from you. And I should probably be happy that I’m not as representative as you I suppose. In any case, enjoy your “rural” life.
Me, I’mma waiting for iceout on the lake and for the frost danger to go away, (about another 4 weeks), so I can get my garden in again.
I live less than 75 miles from Canada, and my local lake is mostly melted, but I still have a lot of snow on the ground in the woods around my house, so my seedlings won’t be going out until late May either.
Please keep telling me about my life though.
Should I call you a gatekeeping asshole, or my neighbor, bub?
First you live in rural Mississippi, now you live less than 75 miles from the Canadian border? Should I call you an asshole ignorant troll?
You’re wrong about where the most rural district east of the mississippi is.
letmegooglethat.com/?q=most+rural+congressional+d…
I don’t think that at all. Living in the 4th or 5th century is not at all apologies to the 21st.
People will notice everything being more expensive. Facebook memes will tell them why that is so.
It’s going to be a Rwandan style civil war. Your MAGA neighbor will kick in your door and shoot you and your wife in the face when told to do so by Fox.
Don’t American bridges fall down already? I guess the wait won’t be too long.
Thankfully infrastructure week is just around the corner!..
Or they’ll just argue those failing bridges are okay because aren’t used that much
Your thinking of London bridges. 🥁 (I’ll see myself out).
My town’s bridge is in need of repair, which was to start this year but is now delayed because federal funding for it was cut. We’ll see…
That’s a really interesting bit of history.
Does anyone have a source?
Favorite treats? Who the fuck can afford treats in this economy…
This could be the best thing the current administration did for the planet. No more shipping boats. It’s going to be really interesting in the next two months.
Isn’t shipping via boat one of the most energy efficient forms of goods transport we have as a species?
I went looking and found this: …wikipedia.org/…/Energy_efficiency_in_transport
And yep transport via boat is the most energy efficient.
That said I’m going to assume that OP in this thread is not talking about logistics efficiency, but rather a downturn in a demand for goods.
Okay buy if there aren’t any boats running around, then that’s ecologically good! We’re all screwed, but ecologically good.
Efficiency doesn’t matter if you’re shipping material for production halfway round the world and shipping those products halfway back just because rich people wanted to outsource to cheap labour, and overproduce cheap crap that falls apart way too fast so they can sell us the same cheap crap again a couple years later. It’s mostly waste. Some shipping is necessary, but I’d say a vast majority we could do without.
Like I don’t believe for a second that these tarrifs will actually fix this problem because they’re just a big tantrum with zero strategy involved, but in an ideal world we would make a lot more locally and spend a lot less energy sending things all over the planet to make a handful of shareholders slightly higher margins.
Spoken like a rich asshole that doesn’t have to worry about 300% inflation on food
I’m just a poor smart person. As I understand, and probably all of us should…this is the time to go to the stores and buy up shit. Toilet paper, plastic bags and straws, Christmas toys and everything else that usually says made in China. From what I understand we had around 60 days a few weeks ago for the real shit show to begin. So I would expect stuff to get real interesting soon. That’s all. It’s a worst possible scenario…shit runs out and all heck breaks lose. I sincerely don’t know what to do. Should I just buy a good half a year worth of canned food? Should I do nothing? In don’t know. Its a cautious wait and see sort of feeling.
Oh look, trump did something good! accidentally good, I’m sure he didn’t intended that, but still
naive child
Wait till you see your food bill next month
I’m not an American, I’ll be fine
I once met a guy who was in sales for a shipping container company. He said it was the easiest, most lucrative sales job in the world. There really wasn’t any sales at all, he just processed the orders that flowed in all day long. He got a fat commission on each one, and earned several commissions every single day. He was making BANK. He said it was nearly impossible to get a job doing that, it would require somebody to die to get their position.
I guess he’s going to have a bad year, for a change.
Just think of all the fat bonuses he can get though once this craziness is done if he still has the job. The backlog will be huuuuuge.
Pretty unrealistically upbeat of you to think our shipping infrastructure will survive this fucking child king
You’re acting like this is a pause and things will go back to normal.
I think that’s unrealistically optimistic
Is it me, or does this look absolutely scary for world trade as a whole?
I work in international freight and my department focuses on the U.S. - Canadian border. We’ve been bracing for a decline but so far our volume has been steadily increasing.
I see the documents for every shipment crossing my assigned gateway and it looks like consumer goods are staying at the same volume, but B2B is increasing. So while Canadian consumers are boycotting American goods, industry is reliant on American parts to continue functioning.
I’m assuming the increased volume is a result of companies buying things that they know they will need in the future before the trade war intensifies and those same parts cost them even more.
Yeah, that seems like the boom before the bust. I know even personally I’ve been buying some things before they become hard to get.
There’s still a lot going on globally: <img alt="" src="https://aussie.zone/pictrs/image/440fc7e2-5631-4d39-8463-de9b1b166d9e.png">
www.marinetraffic.com
But I don’t expect the US to have a fun ride
marketwatch.com/…/this-economist-says-theres-a-90…
So a 4% hit to GDP when GDP last year in the US increase by 2.8% does not sound good
We don’t need a map of green and red dots, we need ships dammit!
Trump definitely did not intent to do that - but this is a good thing for the environment. If we end up in a global shrinkflation, this might berge worst way to reduce our carbon footprint, but it will probably be the long term consequence.
I was gonna say - is Trump accidentally helping the environment??
Kind of like when COVID cleared up the air for weeks. Of course that was also awful for the economy, but it’s almost like our normal way of overconsumption is killing the environment…
Now China won’t be able to destroy the US with their uh… affordable consumer goods! That’ll show 'em!