from HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works to world@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 23:28
https://sh.itjust.works/post/50412281
Ukraine has significantly amended the US “peace plan” to end the conflict, removing some of Russia’s maximalist demands, people familiar with the negotiations said, as European leaders warned on Monday that no deal could be reached quickly.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy may meet Donald Trump in the White House later this week, sources indicated, amid a flurry of calls between Kyiv and Washington. Ukraine is pressing for Europe to be involved in the talks.
They say there can be no recognition of land seized by Russia militarily, and that Kyiv should make its own decisions on whether to join the EU and Nato – something the Kremlin wants to veto or impose conditions on. Ukraine’s first deputy foreign minister, Sergiy Kyslytsya, told the Financial Times such issues had been “placed in brackets” for Trump and Zelenskyy to decide upon later.
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Must suck for Zelenskyy to have to schlep across the Atlantic all the time just to reset Donnie’s “who have I talked with last” bias. I Fucking hate how pathetic this administration is
As a society we (the US( are the absolute worst.
We are collectively on 3rd base compared to so many nations and we just screw the pooch because Fox News told us to do so.
Here is Trump’s proposal, verbatim:
Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.
A comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.
It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries and NATO will not expand further.
A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.
Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.
The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.
Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.
NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.
European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.
The U.S. guarantee:
Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.
A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:
Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:
Frozen funds will be used as follows:
A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.
Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.
The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.
Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.
Both countries undertake to implement educational programs in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:</
Fuck Trump. We promised we would protect them.
So, it’s a grift to extract Ukraine’s resources and have Ukraine pay for it, while letting Russia keep everything it’s stolen.
Typical Trump bullshit.
It’s also a gift to daddy Putin from Trump so he doesn’t govern up his equine fellatio footage and embarrass pedo Antoinette
Wow. I see now why experts are saying that was written by Russia, at least in part. Especially the parts clearly steered by Russian propaganda like the Nazi thing. Also 50% to the US? That’s really, really stupid.
The Nazi thing isn’t Russian propaganda though? Of course Putin doesn’t stop spouting that as one of his reasons for the invasion, or maybe even blowing it out of proportion, but Ukraine does in fact have a Neo-Nazi problem. Haven’t you seen the Bandera worship that goes on in there, or the Azov fascists? Ignoring it outright as Russia propaganda will be detrimental for post-war reconstruction, especially as inaction might just lead to the Neo-Nazis taking power.
you are spouting Russian propaganda, which is blowing things out of proportion.
Just because Azov exists doesn’t equate to a “neo-nazi problem.”
Russia and the US have a greater fascist problem than Ukraine.
That assumes Azov is a run-of-the-mill Neo-Nazi group while they are much more. The white führer — that’s what Azov’s leader goes by btw — has said that his mission is to, “to spur the white races of the world towards a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen”.
Before the war you had western media reporting on them in a matter of fact way:
No one should be giving Neo-Nazis a pass because they are on the “good side”; which should have been the line that Ukraine took as it already has a horrifying history of anti-semitism. You can support any side you want but sidelining a very real problem because Putin used it as a propaganda point is beyond ridiculous.
it’s still blowing things out of proportion. of course handle nazis, but this doesn’t mean “Ukraine has a problem.”
The “No Missles on Moscow” - thing reads like a preparation for the next invasion using a false flag attack, a strategy Putin is very fond of.
Trumps plan = give whatever daddy Putin wants so nobody sees the picture of me sucking a horse dick.
TIL the horse’s name is Bubba.
wouldnt be surprised if the plan was straight up written by putin and google translated to American™
Sad that we have a foreign agent in office and nobody is doing anything about it
The thing is, I think if he would just wear that saucy Hugh Hefner meets Scrooge look he wore recently, and owned sucking horse dick. I think the nation would get over it.
Even if he owned sucking off Bill Clinton, we’d mostly go, “I mean, yeah, he’s a real charmer, who among us can say we wouldn’t?” At this point, I think being a pedo creep to kids with Epstein is the only sex scandal that could actually damage him. So few of his sex scandals have really stuck (aside from some real financial penalties in the E. Jean Carroll case).
The White House is occupied by a foreign agent that is being blackmailed seems worse but Epsteins brother said it wasn’t Clinton. Ghislane his bestie had a horse named Bubba so…