The same thing happened in Victoria when they converted that hotel to make permanent housing for the homeless while offering basically no social support for those people.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world
on 29 Apr 22:49
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That’s exactly what happened in Oregon, where they only took half measures and then bitched and complained that it didn’t work. They recently are recriminalizing hard drugs.
CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world
on 29 Apr 22:52
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Farce is always a farce.
Appeasement then return to old way, this is the playbook of choice.
That’s what’s happening in Germany right now. with cannabis.
They legalized it on April 1st and at the same time somehow not.
They call it partial legalization. You can have 25g in public and theoretically smoke weed in public. but not in sight to schools, playgrounds, sports clubs, etc. All around there is a 100m spell. In cities that’s like everywhere .And you’re not allowed to smoke in front of children. The law is so vague that it can be in such a way that you have to change the side of the street when a child comes towards you. Or you would have to put out the joint.In reality, it is very difficult to really consume 100% publicly.
At home you can grow up to 3 plants. But you may only have 50g of dried material, the rest must be destroyed.
You are not allowed to make chemical extracts .
You can only buy in cannabis social clubs which are allowed to be at.
You must be a registered member there. You can buy 50g a month there.
The cherry on top at the moment is that the CSC are only allowed to start in July, so there will only be harvests at the end of the year. Since you can’t have any selfgrow yourself since the beginning of April, you can’t have legal weed yet.
The whole law is planned to make it fail. You can later say ‘we tried’. And make it impossible to really legalize for the next few decades.
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You cannot sell or share any material. To a party you have to smoke your own joint.
derGottesknecht@feddit.de
on 30 Apr 10:28
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All around there is a 100m spell. In cities that’s like everywhere .
Its out of sight, but at most 100m. So if you’re not visible where you smoke you’re fine.
you can’t have legal weed yet.
Online apothecary is a way but also growing before April has been retroactively legalized. So as long as the police can’t proof you imported it illegally it’s also fine.
The law is not perfect, but its the best possible outcome given the political realities and i think of it as dooropening with further reforms still coming.
I am not a marijuana patient, so I would have to lie about that.
And again I would have lie to the police.
It’s exactly about the fact that as a leisure consumer I have to lie after an alleged legalization to get weed.You’re still in the prohibition mindset. I don’t want to lie, trick or hide after it’s legalized.
derGottesknecht@feddit.de
on 30 Apr 12:48
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Don’t talk to the police and you don’t have to lie. Only selling cannabis is illegal. They can only use you as witness against your dealer.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social
on 30 Apr 12:14
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Oregon Dems didn’t want it so they sabotaged the whole thing by never funding any treatment centers, allowing the problem to get worse, and then acting like ‘heroes’ right before the coming election by banning it again and giving the funding to cops. This is the same shitty liberalism that gave us a genocide supporting Democratic president. We really need to do away with these two parties.
RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
on 29 Apr 23:20
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That’s by design
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 30 Apr 03:48
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That headline is terrrrible. They wanna rollback public use. Still decriminalized otherwise.
Yeah, assuming the best intentions from everyone, you would still expect some adjustments would be necessary to any new policy as they see the affect of the policy.
It’s not the only article I’ve seen that is misframing this.
I have no problem with banning hard drug use in public. Or even just smoking weed in public, since many people don’t like the smell. I’m fine only using cannabis in the privacy of mine and other’s homes. I’m not a teenager.
It’s throwing people in jail and then possibly prison for using that’s the problem.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 30 Apr 15:54
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Knowing I can drive from A to B with it to enjoy in private is a HUGE change and relief.
Not to say I haven’t gone for walks on acid in very large parks, but I’m also not making an ass of myself or being disruptive. Making people upset with me would probably put a huge downer on the trip. I just wanna see and be in nature. Being drunk in public isn’t allowed either, you still gotta keep yourself together.
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Gotta love when they see Portugal as a model but refuse to actually implement the same model, then complain “the model doesnt work!!!”
Thats BC politics in a nutshell, really.
The same thing happened in Victoria when they converted that hotel to make permanent housing for the homeless while offering basically no social support for those people.
That’s exactly what happened in Oregon, where they only took half measures and then bitched and complained that it didn’t work. They recently are recriminalizing hard drugs.
Farce is always a farce.
Appeasement then return to old way, this is the playbook of choice.
That’s what’s happening in Germany right now. with cannabis.
They legalized it on April 1st and at the same time somehow not. They call it partial legalization. You can have 25g in public and theoretically smoke weed in public. but not in sight to schools, playgrounds, sports clubs, etc. All around there is a 100m spell. In cities that’s like everywhere .And you’re not allowed to smoke in front of children. The law is so vague that it can be in such a way that you have to change the side of the street when a child comes towards you. Or you would have to put out the joint.In reality, it is very difficult to really consume 100% publicly.
At home you can grow up to 3 plants. But you may only have 50g of dried material, the rest must be destroyed. You are not allowed to make chemical extracts . You can only buy in cannabis social clubs which are allowed to be at. You must be a registered member there. You can buy 50g a month there. The cherry on top at the moment is that the CSC are only allowed to start in July, so there will only be harvests at the end of the year. Since you can’t have any selfgrow yourself since the beginning of April, you can’t have legal weed yet.
The whole law is planned to make it fail. You can later say ‘we tried’. And make it impossible to really legalize for the next few decades.
Edit: You cannot sell or share any material. To a party you have to smoke your own joint.
Its out of sight, but at most 100m. So if you’re not visible where you smoke you’re fine.
Online apothecary is a way but also growing before April has been retroactively legalized. So as long as the police can’t proof you imported it illegally it’s also fine.
The law is not perfect, but its the best possible outcome given the political realities and i think of it as dooropening with further reforms still coming.
I think you didn’t get my point.
I am not a marijuana patient, so I would have to lie about that. And again I would have lie to the police. It’s exactly about the fact that as a leisure consumer I have to lie after an alleged legalization to get weed.You’re still in the prohibition mindset. I don’t want to lie, trick or hide after it’s legalized.
Don’t talk to the police and you don’t have to lie. Only selling cannabis is illegal. They can only use you as witness against your dealer.
Oregon Dems didn’t want it so they sabotaged the whole thing by never funding any treatment centers, allowing the problem to get worse, and then acting like ‘heroes’ right before the coming election by banning it again and giving the funding to cops. This is the same shitty liberalism that gave us a genocide supporting Democratic president. We really need to do away with these two parties.
That’s by design
That headline is terrrrible. They wanna rollback public use. Still decriminalized otherwise.
Yeah, assuming the best intentions from everyone, you would still expect some adjustments would be necessary to any new policy as they see the affect of the policy.
It’s not the only article I’ve seen that is misframing this.
I have no problem with banning hard drug use in public. Or even just smoking weed in public, since many people don’t like the smell. I’m fine only using cannabis in the privacy of mine and other’s homes. I’m not a teenager.
It’s throwing people in jail and then possibly prison for using that’s the problem.
Knowing I can drive from A to B with it to enjoy in private is a HUGE change and relief.
Not to say I haven’t gone for walks on acid in very large parks, but I’m also not making an ass of myself or being disruptive. Making people upset with me would probably put a huge downer on the trip. I just wanna see and be in nature. Being drunk in public isn’t allowed either, you still gotta keep yourself together.