from HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works to world@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 17:32
https://sh.itjust.works/post/54149315
Peter Thiel’s visit to the Institute of France, a learned society in the heart of Paris, was kept secret until the very last moment. There, behind closed doors, he was due to speak at a meeting of members of the Academy of Moral and Political Sciences, a working group intended to discuss “the future of democracy.” The group, chaired by former minister Hervé Gaymard, has previously interviewed 25 figures, all French, mainly legal scholars, political scientists and historians.
Even Xavier Darcos, chancellor of the Institute of France, who oversees all five of its academies, was only informed of Thiel’s invitation at the last minute. The invitation has caused a stir within the institution, not only because Thiel, the American billionaire who co-founded the online payment system PayPal and Palantir Technologies, a data analytics giant that works for many governments, is one of the biggest investors in the American tech sector. Rather, it is Thiel’s political ideas, which openly contest democracy, that make his presence at the academy event decidedly provocative.
According to an outline of his speech sent to the academy, of which Le Monde obtained a copy in French, Thiel intended to introduce himself as “a moderate Orthodox Christian and a humble classical liberal, with one seemingly minor deviation from classical liberal orthodoxy: I worry about the Antichrist.”
Through Thiel, however, the academy is about to encounter a far more radical worldview. The Antichrist, a figure he has given sometimes-cryptic talks on, drawing from both the Book of Daniel in the Bible and the writings of 16th-century English philosopher Francis Bacon, does not, according to him, refer to the rise of artificial intelligence or the proliferation of imperialist leaders. Thiel claims that today’s Antichrist is anyone who expresses alarm about climate change, stokes fears of nuclear war or seeks to regulate the use of screens and social media platforms, all in order to promote the emergence of a “world government” – something libertarians, who are hostile to all forms of state regulation, dread above all.
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Well, I have to give him this. If there’s anyone qualified to talk about the anti-Christ, it is an anti-Christ. Sadly, they’re incapable of saying anything truthful.
A bit self centred of him to travel around and talk about himself in the third person
He knows no other way, as long as his blood boy comes with him.
As funny as these jokes are, people really aren’t catching what he’s up to:
Thiel sees Christianity as a threat to his goals and ambitions, so he’s trying to re-code it. His angle is that “Anti-Christianity” is being “anti-AI”; that’s his whole angel and it’s dumb af, but he’s trying to get ahead of the narrative that’s ripe for the picking of calling AI the next TOWER of BABEL or some sort of false god, which it is much closer to in actuality. Anti-AI sentiment (which I’m all for, from a completely secular pov) has the potential to merge with and fuel religious sentiment into the future, so he’s trying to get ahead of it, and naturally, he’s also trying to get Christianity’s resources on board with his agenda. Not to mention the threat of Jesus’ inherently socialist/anti-wealth message. Basically, he’s hyper aware that he and the rest of the ruling class are essentially the antithesis of Christ, so he’s trying to change people’s impression of Christianity… which is remarkably anti-Christ…
The thing is, the hallucinating, dehydrated, beached, caveman prisoner that wrote the book of revelations wasn’t pulling from nothing, he was just confusing his fever dream social commentary with divine insight… I guess…?
History rhymes, and it’s full of anti-christs.
The world is run by lucky morons.
Relevant typo
lol whoops
Oh cool. He’s trying to be the next Joseph Smith.
Give him a French welcome.
Guillotine ?
I thought that was their goodbye
Its like “Aloha” in Hawaii. Guillotine can be both hello and goodbye for dumbass American tech CEOs spreading nonsense.
Convenient that the devil wants to bring about an International system that doesn’t allow him to be a techno-corporate feudal lord
France? The laicite country? I’m sure his talk will go over well.
I’ll just leave a translation of the french anthem here:
Let us go, children of the fatherland, The day of glory has arrived! Against us of tyranny The bloody standard is raised! (twice) Do you hear, in the countryside, Those fierce soldiers bellowing? They are coming right up to our arms To slit the throats of our wives & children!
To arms, citizens! Form your battalions! Let’s march, let’s march! Let an impure blood water our furrows!
What does this horde of slaves, traitors, And conspiring kings mean to do? For whom are these ignoble chains, These irons prepared long ago? (twice) French persons, for us, ah! what outrage, What transports it must excite! It’s us they dare think Of returning to the ancient slavery!
To arms, etc.
What! These foreign cohorts think They can make the law in our land? What, these mercenary phalanxes think They can overthrow our proud warriors? (twice) Good God! They think our brows will be bent Beneath the yoke by hands enchained? That vile despots will become The masters of our fates?
To arms, etc.
Tremble, tyrants, and you, perfidious ones, The shame of all parties; Tremble! Your parricidal plans Are going at last to receive their reward! (twice) Everyone’s a soldier to combat you. If they fall, our young heroes, The earth produces more of them, Completely ready to fight against you!
To arms, etc.
Frenchmen, as generous warriors, Deliver or withhold your blows! Spare those sad victims, Arming against you against their will. (twice) But those bloody despots, Those accomplices of Bouillé, All those tigers that, pitiless, Rend their mother’s bosom…grrr!
To arms, etc.
Sacred love of the Fatherland, Guide, sustain our avenging arms; Liberty, cherished Liberty, Fight alongside your defenders! (twice) Beneath our banners may victory Come in a hurry to your manly accents; May your enemies, expiring, See your triumph and our glory!
To arms, etc.
Is he pro-anti- christ or anti-anti-christ? I never know these days.
There was a time in a past life that I believed in and followed fundamental Christianity. But as soon as the hypocrisy started eating away at my conscience I left.
Thiel has no conscience so will never learn that his belief system is bullshit.
It’s simple: anything that Peter Thiel doesn’t like is the Antichrist.
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The anti-Christ that doesn't know or is pretending that he doesn't know he's an anti-Christ, seeks to warn people of people like him, but not him specifically because he's warning them about it, so it can't possibly be him.
What is the old saying?: “If you cannot say sonething that puts you on a terror watch list, better say nothing”
Peter Thiel knows about the Antichrist
This song lives rent free in my head.
I thought that episode was satire…
Just another scam artist
One of the biggest losers on the planet.
You’ve gotta put a lot of effort into obtaining that title.
I looked into his worldview a bit when the San Francisco lecture happened, and it is deeply, deeply fucked up.
There is a certain allure because it’s based on a well-known philosophal thread of “mimetic theory” (filtered through a then-contemporary Nazi apologist, and Silicon Valley hubris) and for all it’s “Anti-Christ” talk, it doesn’t even 100% require a supernatural belief system, just the commitment to one as an outward-facing and socially enforceable ideology. What makes it so fucked up and dangerous is the almost Foundation-like orthopraxy that it demands.
The gist, IIRC, is that humans want and need something stable to copy from to know what they want, and that modernish (like in the last 300 years) interpretations of major religions, but particularly Christianity, have landed on a perfect balance of giving people boundaries, aspirations, and just enough freedom to keep society going. Therefore, the only way to avoid falling back onto outmoded and dangerous practices like mass scape-goating is to get huge blocks of people invested in that worldview. Ideally it would be the whole world in one ideology, but their nod to reality is to concede that three or four could survive in tension if they’re geographically insulated.
So moving onto the Antichrist, anyone or (importantly for the Thiel version specifically) anything that poses an existential threat to this orderly control of society risks chaos and a descent into destruction and with a Christian context can therefore be comfortably called the/an “Antichrist.” If Palantir watching literally everyone and everything means the enforcement of “western” values on western populations, then opposing that is dangerous to humanity and therefore a threat. Fighting that threat is a crusade, and even justifies the interim use of tactics that will ultimately be rendered moot by the imposition of a religio-philosophical order, such as mass scaepgoating and pogroms (coughjdvancecough).
Then, just as the classist cherry on top, remember that the supernatural part of this is all just to make sure that the stupids buy into the same worldview as the elites who will preserve society by controlling it and directing it towards self-sustaining power structures. So a Thiel can be gay, and a Thiel acolyte like Vance (we’ll look past Musk for now, as I think they probably view him more as a lucky and useful idiot) can marry a Hindu woman from one of the viable global powerbases (though we’re seeing cracks in that as current political realities weigh on him), and he doesn’t even really have to believe any of the specifically dominionist nonsense he preaches, as long as the MAGA rubes do. What it does give them is a handhold where they can legitimately believe that they’re doing what’s best for the world by trying to dominate it, and that is fucking terrifying.
As an aside, Thiel’s philosophical mentor would have been very nearly as horrified as most of us are by the conclusions he’s reached, and this is why you don’t let the software engineers think they’re the only ones who are smart, simply because it’s harder to do calculus than write a B+ Freshman essay. If Girard is “love each other or we all face ruin,” Thiel is “love each other, or we all face ruin, but you’re too stupid to love each other unless a brutal technostate surveillance apparatus enforces adherence to a love-based religion.”
from the BTB episode on this, some of his candidates for the antichrist are just people he fell out with on Twitter lol
Just textbook narcissism, shocking stuff.
He is talking about himself?
You can’t help but wonder at a man with this much wealth and power getting up in the morning, looking in the mirror, and thinking that highly of himself.
But no. Shitheels like Thiel have existed since time immemorial. He’s not the Antichrist. Just another stupid rich asshole.
businessinsider.com/male-model-kept-peter-thiel-r…
I take it he’s very pro. I know at the very least he’s extremely anti Christ
I made a half joke last year that the antichrist would probably be an AI model that convinces people to worship it.
And here he is saying that’s totally not going to happen.
Seems legit lol.
I guess Mr. Thiel would know, considering the Anti-Christ is his employer.
If the Antichrist concept is coherent at all, it’s instantiated by Thiel and the other members of his anti-democracy death cult. For him to target anyone who wants to save the environment and the light of civilization is a fascinating uno-reverse. Let’s see how it goes.
I know the world has always been stupid and people have always sucked, but right now really does feel extremely stupid and people seem to suck exceptionally in current times.
It’s interesting to note that he’s Vance’s patron and possibly puppet-master.
Unless the people of the US somehow manage to armour their system against oligarchy, this kind of not-quite-healthy (arguably more than a bit sociopathic) persons will keep pushing their puppets to center stage, where they’ll damage the interests of common people quite badly.
Since the article doesn’t use the past simple tense, I assume that his visit to France was canceled (or in a less cheerful case, postponed). I would happily cancel his visits elsewhere too.
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