How young Argentines might put a far-right libertarian into power
(www.vox.com)
from jeffw@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 2023 17:52
https://lemmy.world/post/7126060
from jeffw@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 21 Oct 2023 17:52
https://lemmy.world/post/7126060
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
During this weekend’s presidential election in Argentina, he will make a starkly different choice, and back Javier Milei, a far-right libertarian trumpeting socially conservative culture war issues and explosive proposals to reshape Argentine society.
Polls indicate almost 50 percent of voters 29 and younger back Milei, the wild-haired outsider and self-described “anarcho-capitalist” who inveighs against traditional politicians, branding them as members of a “caste” that must be done away with.
It’s also a reactionary impulse: There is a strong backlash against pandemic-era restrictions, which helped popularize Milei’s anti-establishment rhetoric, and a spate of recent progressive wins in Argentina, including a momentous bill that legalized abortion in 2020.
What started out as a youth movement powering Milei’s campaign has now widened to include groups of all ages, all across the country — Stuchi called it a process of “intergenerational contagion” with people like him working to sway over older relatives.
She says the traditional center-left and center-right candidates in this election are so inexorably linked to the economic mismanagement at the origin of the ongoing crisis that it’s as though they were “invisible” to many young voters, leaving only Milei as a viable option.
Milei’s signature proposal to curb inflation — dollarization — is viewed by experts as likely unworkable, in part because of how few greenbacks are left in the central bank’s coffers.
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Argentina: "We're not fucked enough at the moment. Let's get even more fucked!"
We don’t like the candidates by the traditional parties. Let’s yolo it! :P
Well when things aren’t going well, people vote far rights, the have the simple answers. People love simple solutions for complex problems.
Tell me then, who would you vote in this situation?
Doesn’t even require things to be universally bad. As long as there’s substantial apathy about the status quo and enlightened centrists going on about “both parties being the same”, the far right just needs a few disaffected groups.
Maybe research Argentina before assuming liberal = bad hurr durr. We’ve been literally turned into another Venezuela by the current governing party that has been in power something like 20 of the last 28 years
Maybe research liberal before you mix it up with libertarian.
Republican Proposal is a Center-right liberal party
La Libertad Avanza is a libertarian party aka Neo-Nazis.
That’s not an “also known as”. Both libertarians and Neo-Nazis are usually found on the right side of the political spectrum and their membership may overlap/parties may support both ideologies, but they’re not the same.
Far-right conservatives and facists have found quite the successful tactic for getting into power and getting their ways on public referenda: it’s called lying and misrepresentation.
same with the far-left. they lied to their teeth to get into power and now look where they are. it’s very much expected that the pendulum swing all the way to the other side now. as sad as it is, it happens.
Oh yeah the far left that is in power in… what country?
Didn’t you know? Biden doesn’t want to genocide trans people and that’s literally communism 1984 vuvuzela 100 billion dead!!1!
Shout out to the vuvuzela
Trudeau is literally a far left commie antifa dictator.
As a Canadian, all I have to say is: lol.
Don’t you know his dad was Castro and his mom was Stalin?
Uneducated voters will always be fun and sad to listen to.
Venezuela?
Do us all a favour and fuck off back to reddit
I don’t like reddit, I prefer lemmy, thank you.
The feeling isnt mutual and you literally only make this space worse for your own amusement, which is just really fucking sad dude.
My comment was about how political extremism pushes societies so far to one end of the scale that it is inevitable that will swing the other way eventually. It has happened repeatedly during history and Argentina is not an isolated case. If the “far-right” candidate is elected (as it happened in Brasil with Bolsonaro for example) it could be the result of that, of the left pushing too far and Argentinians wanting “change”. I don’t condone it, it’s just a pattern that’s observable.
Now, you don’t seem to (and many others who downvotes my comment) bother and look at my commented for its merits. You prefer to appease the mob in this bubble to make you feel good (maybe, I don’t know) and I don’t care. It is quite alright for people to not agree with each other and, to me, that’s the only way we can all improve. You didn’t care for any of it, you cursed me as if you have a moral high ground here. This is just a bubble, just like reddit id another bubble, and Facebook and X and so on. You fit in this bubble and good for you I say. I don’t fit and that’s fine too, but I do have the right to my opinion and so I will stand by it.
Thanks for showing how disrespectful your side can be and now I know exactly who I’m dealing with. Have a good day! =)
Not in Argentina’s case. There, the problem is decades of mismanagement by leftist governments that have, quite understandably, led to disillusionment among voters.
It’s funny how people reading this thread came here only to circle jerk about liberal = bad ignoring completely the realities of argentina
Being honest, compared to other far-right “leaders” Milei doesn’t seem that “crazy” (so far).
What i mean by this is that he hasn’t (again, as of now) come up with some crazy, impossible, or outright discriminating laws unlike his other far-right “peers”.
So far his plan is to re-activate Argentinian economy no matter what. Which, given Argentina’s current circumstances (half the country’s population being poor), is actually really reasonable and straight forward.
And yes, it’s really sad that he’s the only candidate that looks like can make an actual change. But if you’ve followed Argentinian politics in the last decades (high levels of corruption/incompetence), you’ll realize that Milei is what Argentina actually needs right now.
Oh he is. There was a US-backed dictatorship in the 70’s that killed 30.000 people, he’s actively downplaying it as just a “conflict between two sides”, using the exact same words as the military did in those days. Also what he’s saying isn’t new, it’s repeating things from the '90s that already had us in crippling debt, with no political institutions and lots of police brutality. He’s only doing so good because the main political parties are having a major internal leadership crisis. We managed to save ourselves in the early 2000’s, we may not get that lucky again.
Yo soy chileno 🇨🇱, así que entiendo bien el tema de la dictadura. 🙁
Pero si tuviese que elegir entre Javier Milei y José Antonio Kast (su actual equivalente chileno, el cuál literalmente es un Neo-Nazi), definitivamente elijo a Milei.
Son lo mismo. Cada uno usa discursos ligeramente distintos dependiendo de la zona (entiendo que en chile la opinión pública de la dictadura es muy distinta a la de acá), pero están bancados por la misma gente y traen el mismo plan económico de subordinación. Son los cóndores que volvieron.
We already had a “Milei” during the 90s, Carlos Menem, a figure libertarians like him and his followers love to defend, despite being one the most devastating presidents we’ve ever had. The only difference is that Menem actually supported government funded R&D programs, other than that, it’s the same but with promise of “it’s gonna work guys! For real this time!”
My man’s out here about to close the Argentinian central bank and let people legally sell organs while sticking up for the dictatorship, and against abortion, and your response is “Milei is what Argentina actually needs right now.”?
The Kirchner people stole everything in Argentina that wasn’t nailed down , Milei is about to take the rest.
Holy fuck, what a revolutionary idea. How is that nobody tough on that before?
Either the article is dead wrong about him being far-right, or he’s a menace to any country he might try to govern. There is no place for the far right outside of a graveyard.
Milei is the worst thing that can happen to us Argentinians. And most of us know it. He means no change in the slightest, at least when talking about real change. He’s just a puppet of the far right and corporations.
This argument was said about Trump in 2016 as well.
Because clearly Argentina is in the same situation as the US and as such all the same logic applies right???
Obviously there are never any parallels throughout history and there’s no global political trends.
Is this the figure with a médium to talk with his dead dog?
Yep, he is the one
the term far right libertarian makes no sense…
Libertarianism is a far right ideology
It wasn't always.
It was a left wing ideology until an American fascist co-opted the term for his own brand of rightwing nonsense.
I can't really see Ayn Rand as anything other than far right, and that's about as OG libertarian as you get. Free market, unfettered capitalism.
Not really. It’s fairly libertarian for sure, but she was a war hawk and in favor of IP laws.
She’s only OG if you disregard the fifty some odd years of the word libertarian referring to anarchists like Emma Goldman. Back before Murray Rothbard hijacked the term.
At this point I kind of agree that it’s pointless to argue about it as the word’s connotations have already changed.
But again the Ayn Rand as a Libertarian is still viewing the word through the altered meaning that rose to prominence in the US. Previous to that change it indeed was a wing of anarchism, a left-wing ideology.
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The word libertarian was used to mean something more leftist before that term was claimed by the modern America right wing libertarian movement, but that movement was never anything but a catspaw for right wing oligarchs.
A guy that looks like Austin Powers but is actually a 4chan neonazi. Argentine is completely falling apart, this will not end well for them.
It’s also interesting how the people get constantly humiliated by neoliberalism in the modern gig economy but still vote for the (even more) extreme right, which with 100% certainty will destroy their lives even more. It’s like begging your abuser to continue.
You clearly never lived in Argentina. Milei isn’t a good option but the leftists governments we’ve had over the last 40 years literally turned us from a super power to a third world country.
It’s all complete bullshit and there’s no good choice only the lesser evil.
If you start investigating how our economy and government works you’ll see why people are giving this guy their vote
The current economy crash began in 2016, not 4 years ago. As usual, one party screws everything up and the other gets the blame
There were not leftist governements in Argentina.
Jesus why is Lemmy so leftist when it’s literally an anti intervention platform. Most of you circle jerking about liberal = bad don’t understand what it’s like to have your first world country turned into another Venezuela in less than one lifetime because of populist leftists governments that just take public rights as an excuse to gain popularity contests and ransack the fucking country.
Milei is not a good option no, but the others options literally fucked us all the way into 50% poverty and 130% anual Inflation solely trough government spending and taking away all economical liberties trough taxes.
Just take a look at how many dollar exchange rates we have and how we pay 120% in taxes for anything not national (which is practically everything) despite the fact that people have salaries that are 10x lower than that of any developed country
You guys sit in your high horse in a first world country complaining how “everything has gone to shit” and think the same rules and logic apply to anywhere else but you’re sadly mistaken.
Edit: If the US applied all the policies Argentina currently has in place you’d think the fucking apocalypse happened and you’d be calling leftists fucking Nazis
Could you please explain further what does it mean to be an “anti-intervention platform” and why lemmy is one?
I think what they meant is that Lemmy doesn’t have that kind of pull where the users can bring about a change/reversal of political movements.
Also, the anti-intervention platform probably is about the increased skepticism about neo-liberalism policies here (at least since I’ve joined).
But if neoliberalism is the deregulation of the market, why being skeptical of it would be “anti intervention” when it is what neoliberalism is about (the government not intervening in the economical apects)
I ment in the sense of this platform existing to avoid outside intervention. Or am I mistaken in thinking the whole point of a federated system is to avoid corporate and political intervention allowing a “truly” flee platform?
Federated social medias were made in order to regive the power to the user away from the corporations more interested in making profit than keeping their userbase happy. This is quite leftist if you ask me. Indeed it also reduces the power that a government has on a platform, as centralization makes it easier to control, but this wasn’t the main goal. Just like linux, or FOSS in general
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He’s a horrible, idiotic, person but at least there will be some interesting economic and political studies to follow.
Argentina sure is dedicated to help economics science study