I think it’s already too late. It’s already showing the same signs of collapse as the latest simulations, and in real life it’s showing these signs an order of magnitude faster than in the simulations (decades instead of centuries).
How hilarious would it be if humanity averted the very worst effects of climate change purely through dumb, hateful war? I’m very well aware we’re fucked as we’re likely headed towards the SSP3 to SSP7 projections, but maybe all these wars will escalate to the point that we avoid SSP7+
AMOC is extremely important because it spreads nutrients north and mixes cool water in the south, and its collapse will lead to extreme droughts in some areas, floods in others, extreme cold in others, and extreme heat in others, which will lead to agriculture collapse and food security issues, leading to more wars and migration, leading to even more wars, etc.
“In a study that has yet to undergo peer review…” tells you all you need to be concerned about for right now. AMOC is a very complex phenomenon and not easy at all to model. All conclusions should be properly vetted before becoming actual news.
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Jul 19:08
nextcollapse
Nah… this is 2026! You can just say things now! Go back to the 90’s with your scientific integrity, party pooper.
The AMOC has been in a lot of trouble for years now. Ironically, it was the cleaning up of shipping cargo oil that may have put the final nail. We stopped using a fuel that emitted SO2 into the atmosphere, but that SO2 actually ended up as a sort of shielding from the full effects of the greenhouse effect happening elsewhere over the Atlantic. Without it, temperatures this year and last year absolutely soared
Oh definitely, there’s a lot of troubling outcomes and I’m glad the research is being done. I just think news reporting on unreviewed results is good for nothing other than fear mongering. And it’s not like that has been effective for other consequences of climate change. Giving people more reasons to ‘give up’ won’t help solve problems.
NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world
on 10 Jul 00:32
nextcollapse
In my groundbreaking (yet to be peer reviewed) research, Ive found evidence of the Moon being 98% Gouda cheese. The remaining 2% is actually avocado toast
There have been dozens of studies indicating issues with AMOC, but because the latest one has yet to be peer reviewed we should do nothing and ignore all the warning signs
IDK, maybe just this once we act early. What’s the worst that happens, we reduce pollution a bit? We invest too much into scientific research?
CouncilOfFriends@slrpnk.net
on 10 Jul 17:52
collapse
I prefer to be concerned only after I notice the water is boiling.
No one is going to care: it’s more long term than climate change and much harder to conceptualize
Once we’ve stopped the drivers for the current, the water has the inertia to keep moving for a century or more. This not only won’t affect us, but won’t affect our children or grandchildren. People are really bad with such long time periods
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jul 08:19
collapse
Once we’ve stopped the drivers for the current, the water has the inertia to keep moving for a century or more.
You should stop listening to whoever told you this. It makes absolutely no sense.
This not only won’t affect us, but won’t affect our children or grandchildren
Are we going to end up with North American monsoon season or the Great North American Desert? Or maybe both at the same time! I’m so excited for all the novelty the climate future holds.
I’ve been saying it’s imminent for a while now, because I’ve been seeing studies about this come out for years and it seems like every one revises the estimate to be earlier.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 10 Jul 04:28
collapse
The scientists probably thought we would heed their warnings and reduce our rate of emissions. Those poor fools.
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Hey! I’ve seen this movie!
Two Days Before The Day After Tomorrow!
AKA Yesterday
(All my troubles seemed so far away…)
pst .. it’s actually today.
Oh, right, apparently I can’t count to 2…
That makes more sense, because the troubles are right there.
What’s today but yesterday’s tomorrow, Mr. Squidward?
What if there is no tomorrow, there wasn’t one today?
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I think it’s already too late. It’s already showing the same signs of collapse as the latest simulations, and in real life it’s showing these signs an order of magnitude faster than in the simulations (decades instead of centuries).
How hilarious would it be if humanity averted the very worst effects of climate change purely through dumb, hateful war? I’m very well aware we’re fucked as we’re likely headed towards the SSP3 to SSP7 projections, but maybe all these wars will escalate to the point that we avoid SSP7+
It’s ironic that our tendency for senseless violence may be the only thing that saves us from our tendency for ruinous unchecked greed and gluttony.
Are you Hubert J. Farnsworth? Because you speak in his voice!
If everyone turned violent against the ruling billionaire epstein class it would certainly fix a LOT of problems.
I have never read such an apt and absolutely brutal comment on humans. I tip my imaginary hat to you!
hold your farts. think of those poor private jets and private yachts!
why stop at Russian oil refineries?
Next they’ll tell me that Antarctic sea ice is past the point of no return! Make up your minds climate nerds!
AMOC is extremely important because it spreads nutrients north and mixes cool water in the south, and its collapse will lead to extreme droughts in some areas, floods in others, extreme cold in others, and extreme heat in others, which will lead to agriculture collapse and food security issues, leading to more wars and migration, leading to even more wars, etc.
“In a study that has yet to undergo peer review…” tells you all you need to be concerned about for right now. AMOC is a very complex phenomenon and not easy at all to model. All conclusions should be properly vetted before becoming actual news.
Nah… this is 2026! You can just say things now! Go back to the 90’s with your scientific integrity, party pooper.
I’m sure gizmodo has it covered
The AMOC has been in a lot of trouble for years now. Ironically, it was the cleaning up of shipping cargo oil that may have put the final nail. We stopped using a fuel that emitted SO2 into the atmosphere, but that SO2 actually ended up as a sort of shielding from the full effects of the greenhouse effect happening elsewhere over the Atlantic. Without it, temperatures this year and last year absolutely soared
Oh definitely, there’s a lot of troubling outcomes and I’m glad the research is being done. I just think news reporting on unreviewed results is good for nothing other than fear mongering. And it’s not like that has been effective for other consequences of climate change. Giving people more reasons to ‘give up’ won’t help solve problems.
In my groundbreaking (yet to be peer reviewed) research, Ive found evidence of the Moon being 98% Gouda cheese. The remaining 2% is actually avocado toast
We need to blow up the moon so millenials can afford rent.
But it’s amazing for clickwhoring. A lot of value.
There have been dozens of studies indicating issues with AMOC, but because the latest one has yet to be peer reviewed we should do nothing and ignore all the warning signs
IDK, maybe just this once we act early. What’s the worst that happens, we reduce pollution a bit? We invest too much into scientific research?
I prefer to be concerned only after I notice the water is boiling.
Who’s ready for AMOC collapse and >5°C el niños?! Its gonna be a wild ride!
No one is going to care: it’s more long term than climate change and much harder to conceptualize
Once we’ve stopped the drivers for the current, the water has the inertia to keep moving for a century or more. This not only won’t affect us, but won’t affect our children or grandchildren. People are really bad with such long time periods
You should stop listening to whoever told you this. It makes absolutely no sense.
Bro, just look around.
Are we going to end up with North American monsoon season or the Great North American Desert? Or maybe both at the same time! I’m so excited for all the novelty the climate future holds.
I’ve been saying it’s imminent for a while now, because I’ve been seeing studies about this come out for years and it seems like every one revises the estimate to be earlier.
The scientists probably thought we would heed their warnings and reduce our rate of emissions. Those poor fools.
Either that or they were subconsciously erring on the side of not seeming alarmist.
It’s simply that their worst case scenario didn’t account for the speed of the cascading effect of a couple particular spots.
Yep…
Time for the four stage strategy:
Stage 1: Nothing’s going to happen.
Stage 2: Something may be going to happen but we should do nothing about it.
Stage 3: Maybe we should do something about it, but there’s nothing we can do.
Stage 4: Maybe there was something we could’ve done, but it’s too late now.
I reckon we’re about at stage 3 on this one. Still, at least us Europeans won’t have to put up with any more heatwaves.