I guess the US should have just let Imperial Japan take China since apparently now all you need to do is want to grab territory real bad and that is enough justification.
At the very end you will just end up justifying it telling yourself “if I didn’t do it, maybe they do it to me” everything is sunshine and rainbows until anyone have enough power to fuck up someone else WO consequences. It’s just human nature maybe not just human but the price of being alive.
Yeah, without taking responsibility, accepting consequences, owning up to one’s actions and failures, facing the actual shame , etc ; there’s no way anyone would change their behaviour and erroneous ways.
boredtortoise@lemm.ee
on 27 Apr 04:40
nextcollapse
Maybe China should aid Ukraine. And Palestine and Global South countries being invaded. They could free Tibet, and not attack Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam etc while they’re at it.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Apr 18:30
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We really shouldnt be trading with China IMO, better to start cutting off that gangrenous limb as soon as possible.
Pretty hard, big corps want to cut expenses to maximize profits, and there is no alternative to China prices on labor and supply chains.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Apr 18:58
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Then move production to somewhere else. Mexico and Central America would be my first choice, hell its probably cheaper too since ya save on transport expenses.
Still expensive than manufacturing in China, I didn’t have the exact number but the only god big capitalists obey it’s money. Even Apple manufactures its products in China, if Apple does so there is no other viable option to maximize profits.
Edit: I can’t predict the future but as I see it, big uncontrolled corps greed will have big consequences in the future.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Apr 02:38
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And how much of that is actual price versus, subsidized price? China has a geopolitical interest in maintaining the status qou, but based of the gradual shift towards places like Vietnam I suspect the only reason its still cheaper in China is subsidies. And well I dont factor that into my math, mostly cause its a soft factor that can be eliminated.
What kind of subsidy? Like the Chinese state paying an UBI?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Apr 03:58
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Industrial subsidies, they are pretty standard but as I understand it China is rather generous with them. But when China runs into problems I dont think they are solvent enough to keep them up.
Well I don’t think it does, so that’s an easy decision for them. They want to be just friendly enough that we keep buying their stuff and educating their youth.
Yeah, we buy all our stuff from them, no way we’d actually impose meaningful sanctions.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee
on 27 Apr 01:20
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We can’t. We sent some much production there we should worry that China may put sanctions on us.
It’s why we shouldn’t have allowed manufacturing to move there.
they would, but have the entire rest of the world if the west proves too antagonistic to their interests, they are also maneuvering their economy to their own markets. its convenient but not smart to be relying too hard on their opponents in a cold war.
ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world
on 27 Apr 09:33
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The West is significantly richer than most other countries. The countries outside the west that are also wealthy have deep trade connections with the West. These connections may be so that China may consider them effectively 'the West’s - Japan, South Korea, Australia, Singapore etc.
China tries to expand it’s trading partners outside the West with its belt and trade initiative. But that’s expensive and controversial. As it often involves corruption and abuse carried out by Chinese businesses. It doesn’t appear as bad as 1800s colonisers, but in light of today’s sensibilities China often comes out badly.
It’s still wise to build connections with growing economies. Often because the population is large and is set to become larger. However, China’s aggressive posture has destroyed relations with one of it nearest and largest growing economy India. India’s relations with the West isn’t great, it currently goes between Russia and the West. I think mainly to ensure advanced weapon supply in the event of escalations with China.
the west in its entirety is just 15% of the planets population, suffering from recession more and more, and about to erupt in war. china has pretty much a third of the worlds population, and getting richer by the week. i’m sorry but the writing is on the wall here.
and as someone who lives in a place contemplated by the belt and road, no, we never really seen that much improvement in infrastructure all at once, despite what your propaganda may say.
india has bad relations with china because they have a trump-equivalent as president now. they have been trying to deescalate for years now with india.
China knows the Republicans are going to gut NATO,
China doesn’t care,
China is committed to breaking the West’s dominion, which is why it’s making Russia into its vassal-state, totally-dependent-on-China, but with accountability/responsibility not having any direct-line into China, in the 1st place…
Once Trump’s finished destroying the US, then … then the real action will begin, militarily.
Give that about 1 dozen, or less, years, to occur.
ContinuousHammerfall’s when the NATO-allied countries have been gutted, bankrupted, torn-apart through “populist dictatorship”, etc, and suddenly the triple-alliance throws EVERYthing they’ve got against us, to break our capability…
Between now & then should be 2 more stages:
economic-collapse, which Trump uses to gain & secure dictatorship,
& the butchering of NATO & the West, economically, which should last … roughly 7 or 8 years, or so.
Once those’re done, then the WW3 tantrum/pogrom can begin.
He would leave NATO as soon as possible. No normal politician has ever suggested this before because it’s completely insane. It’s obvious Putin bullshit since it’s 100% against the best interests of the US and Europe, and only benefits Russia. It’s also a distortion that the EU doesn’t fund their part in NATO… a few countries spend less than they should, the rest are perfectly fine on that metric.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee
on 27 Apr 08:51
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Trump will not leave nato. That’s just fear momgerong and gore against his public statements.
And not a few countries. The bulk were not contributing what they should and Trump was right. Russia was a threat. They should have listened.
Taking his public statements at face value sure is not “fearmongering”. This deranged grandpa is often cited for “telling it like it is!!” so why would we not believe he means specifically what he says?
Russia being a threat to Europe isn’t exactly surprising considering that threat is the entire reason NATO exists.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Apr 17:43
nextcollapse
Ya know if the fucking British hadnt conquered all of India and most of the world maybe your point qould be sailent. If anything its a lot easier to take down regions with large populations, namely by destroying food supplies and food imports.
SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world
on 28 Apr 03:12
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*easy to take down regions with technologically outdated and divided populations who’ve already been weakened by internal strife.
This paints more of a gray picture.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Apr 04:03
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Oh no I meant what I said, everyone needs to eat and the fucken second you are reliant on imports for food you are at the mercy of those doing the exporting. China is turbo fucked if those food shipments ever stop, and the US navy could stop them. If memory serves me right most of the food comes from Brazil so you dont evenneed to be near China to deal that blow.
Daxtron2@startrek.website
on 27 Apr 18:52
nextcollapse
Massive populations do not equal political power
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
on 28 Apr 04:18
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threaded - newest
Maybe the US and NATO must stop aiding Ukraine if they seeks good relations with China?
We’ll stop aiding Ukraine when the invaders leave, thanks.
I guess the US should have just let Imperial Japan take China since apparently now all you need to do is want to grab territory real bad and that is enough justification.
It always been or how do you think the US got more than its half from Mexico? Duh?
What if I told you the Mexican American war was also not justified
At the very end you will just end up justifying it telling yourself “if I didn’t do it, maybe they do it to me” everything is sunshine and rainbows until anyone have enough power to fuck up someone else WO consequences. It’s just human nature maybe not just human but the price of being alive.
Well that sure was incoherent
I think we just saw an AI hallucinate
“It’s always been justified and besides, look how they do it” is how institutions like slavery get perpetuated.
Yeah, without taking responsibility, accepting consequences, owning up to one’s actions and failures, facing the actual shame , etc ; there’s no way anyone would change their behaviour and erroneous ways.
Didn’t have the balls to use your real account?
Maybe China should aid Ukraine. And Palestine and Global South countries being invaded. They could free Tibet, and not attack Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam etc while they’re at it.
We really shouldnt be trading with China IMO, better to start cutting off that gangrenous limb as soon as possible.
Pretty hard, big corps want to cut expenses to maximize profits, and there is no alternative to China prices on labor and supply chains.
Then move production to somewhere else. Mexico and Central America would be my first choice, hell its probably cheaper too since ya save on transport expenses.
Still expensive than manufacturing in China, I didn’t have the exact number but the only god big capitalists obey it’s money. Even Apple manufactures its products in China, if Apple does so there is no other viable option to maximize profits.
Edit: I can’t predict the future but as I see it, big uncontrolled corps greed will have big consequences in the future.
And how much of that is actual price versus, subsidized price? China has a geopolitical interest in maintaining the status qou, but based of the gradual shift towards places like Vietnam I suspect the only reason its still cheaper in China is subsidies. And well I dont factor that into my math, mostly cause its a soft factor that can be eliminated.
What kind of subsidy? Like the Chinese state paying an UBI?
Industrial subsidies, they are pretty standard but as I understand it China is rather generous with them. But when China runs into problems I dont think they are solvent enough to keep them up.
Why limit one self to only one side, when you can play both?
You’re not supposed to tell us you’re playing both sides!
“Gonna do something about it? No? Like the taste of cheap definitely-not-made-by-slave-labor goods too much? That’s what we thought.”
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Well I don’t think it does, so that’s an easy decision for them. They want to be just friendly enough that we keep buying their stuff and educating their youth.
Yeah, we buy all our stuff from them, no way we’d actually impose meaningful sanctions.
We can’t. We sent some much production there we should worry that China may put sanctions on us. It’s why we shouldn’t have allowed manufacturing to move there.
why would they want that?
They’d like to keep exporting their goods
they would, but have the entire rest of the world if the west proves too antagonistic to their interests, they are also maneuvering their economy to their own markets. its convenient but not smart to be relying too hard on their opponents in a cold war.
The West is significantly richer than most other countries. The countries outside the west that are also wealthy have deep trade connections with the West. These connections may be so that China may consider them effectively 'the West’s - Japan, South Korea, Australia, Singapore etc.
China tries to expand it’s trading partners outside the West with its belt and trade initiative. But that’s expensive and controversial. As it often involves corruption and abuse carried out by Chinese businesses. It doesn’t appear as bad as 1800s colonisers, but in light of today’s sensibilities China often comes out badly.
It’s still wise to build connections with growing economies. Often because the population is large and is set to become larger. However, China’s aggressive posture has destroyed relations with one of it nearest and largest growing economy India. India’s relations with the West isn’t great, it currently goes between Russia and the West. I think mainly to ensure advanced weapon supply in the event of escalations with China.
the west in its entirety is just 15% of the planets population, suffering from recession more and more, and about to erupt in war. china has pretty much a third of the worlds population, and getting richer by the week. i’m sorry but the writing is on the wall here.
and as someone who lives in a place contemplated by the belt and road, no, we never really seen that much improvement in infrastructure all at once, despite what your propaganda may say.
india has bad relations with china because they have a trump-equivalent as president now. they have been trying to deescalate for years now with india.
China knows the Republicans are going to gut NATO,
China doesn’t care,
China is committed to breaking the West’s dominion, which is why it’s making Russia into its vassal-state, totally-dependent-on-China, but with accountability/responsibility not having any direct-line into China, in the 1st place…
Once Trump’s finished destroying the US, then … then the real action will begin, militarily.
Give that about 1 dozen, or less, years, to occur.
ContinuousHammerfall’s when the NATO-allied countries have been gutted, bankrupted, torn-apart through “populist dictatorship”, etc, and suddenly the triple-alliance throws EVERYthing they’ve got against us, to break our capability…
Between now & then should be 2 more stages:
economic-collapse, which Trump uses to gain & secure dictatorship,
& the butchering of NATO & the West, economically, which should last … roughly 7 or 8 years, or so.
Once those’re done, then the WW3 tantrum/pogrom can begin.
He would leave NATO as soon as possible. No normal politician has ever suggested this before because it’s completely insane. It’s obvious Putin bullshit since it’s 100% against the best interests of the US and Europe, and only benefits Russia. It’s also a distortion that the EU doesn’t fund their part in NATO… a few countries spend less than they should, the rest are perfectly fine on that metric.
Trump will not leave nato. That’s just fear momgerong and gore against his public statements.
And not a few countries. The bulk were not contributing what they should and Trump was right. Russia was a threat. They should have listened.
Taking his public statements at face value sure is not “fearmongering”. This deranged grandpa is often cited for “telling it like it is!!” so why would we not believe he means specifically what he says?
Russia being a threat to Europe isn’t exactly surprising considering that threat is the entire reason NATO exists.
You can just say 12 if you like.
NATO is insignificant compared with Asia
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It’s a shame you are being downvoted because you are quite correct. Nato mat be rich but it only represents around 15% of the global population.
Exactly. Well it was expected, it’s the hype
Ya know if the fucking British hadnt conquered all of India and most of the world maybe your point qould be sailent. If anything its a lot easier to take down regions with large populations, namely by destroying food supplies and food imports.
*easy to take down regions with technologically outdated and divided populations who’ve already been weakened by internal strife.
This paints more of a gray picture.
Oh no I meant what I said, everyone needs to eat and the fucken second you are reliant on imports for food you are at the mercy of those doing the exporting. China is turbo fucked if those food shipments ever stop, and the US navy could stop them. If memory serves me right most of the food comes from Brazil so you dont evenneed to be near China to deal that blow.
Massive populations do not equal political power
See: the conquest of India by a corporation.
someone tell Nigeria they become a global superpower by 2050 then
That’s not the reason for the trade war and embargoes.