Netherlands allows Ukraine to strike Russian territory with its F-16s
(newsukraine.rbc.ua)
from slurpinderpin@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 2024 21:09
https://lemmy.world/post/16148441
from slurpinderpin@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 03 Jun 2024 21:09
https://lemmy.world/post/16148441
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Sounds good, but they first need to actually deliver the jets, because this is otherwise pointless.
“You can use our F-16s to attack deep in the russian territory.”
“Great! Where are the F-16s?”
“We will give them to you.”
“Alright. We’ll be waiting.”
jeapordy theme plays
“Theres no F-16s coming, are there?”
It’s much easier to just say bold shit for PR
Good for the Netherlands.
They remember MH17 and are clear on who the enemy is.
Except for the whole new largest party being pro putin thing whoops
So is Ukraine supposed to micromanage how each piece of equipment is being used based on how each donor country feels about attacking Russia?
Unfortunately, yes. I assume a substantial portion of their military budget goes towards coffee and headache medication for the logistics department
Yes. They sold the equipment under stipulations on how it will be used. If the US just gives Ukraine massive long-range offensive capabilities then Russia will treat that as a declaration of a proxy war and may attack US forces elsewhere. Or escalate in other ways. No one wants a desperate Russia. They want Russia to spend itself to death, again. And die like it did in the cold war.
Thats just the excuse, Ukraine has not declared war on anyone despite Iran, North Korea and China providing weapons to Russia. Russia just likes to rattle and make noise and the wst constantly walks on egg sells.
We’re too nice. We work hard on making a society in which basic security negotiations aren’t necessary, but the drawback is that we forget how to do that.
We’re too successful in keeping people safe, and now we don’t remember how to deal with monsters.
Yeah, that’s what the rest of the west want, but Ukraine just want to punch Russia in the face and send them packing. They don’t have the people or morale for a full-on meat grinder war over the next decade.
Russia doesn’t have the people or morale. Ukrainians are defending their homes with outside support, Russians are being dragged kicking and screaming into war with blocking troops behind them so they can’t turn and run.
Russia had a major demographic problem before any of this started, then a bunch of young men fled mobilization, now thousands are dying every week. The Kremlin’s last mobilization was deeply unpopular.
This isn’t the combined power of the USSR driven by an ideological hope for a better future, it’s a shrinking country with an unstable economy run by the Mafia.
Except it only appeared to die. Ukraine gave up its nukes in the 90s on the belief Russian aggression had “died” in the cold war.
No, they gave up their nukes for the promise of Ukrainian independence and it was seen as good deal because Moscow still held sole control over all launch sequences.
Also, how is Russia to know which bit of equipment is attacking them, and where is it from?
Inventory Numbers, same reason we can identify us bombs used on civilian targets in Israel.
So they have to hope they find details on fragments left. I literally have no idea of the odds on that.
Pretty good actually.
You should check out bomb reconstructions from terrorist incidents and compare them to contemporary investigations done on conventional bombs.
I know it is done when there is one bomb by some nutters, but it seams labour intensive. Not sure how well it scales to warfare.
Bombings in civilian areas are almost always investigated, is the reason Israel is refusing to let third parties in without restriction. They know if investigators get in too much will get out and they won’t be able to shake to fascist genocidal government image.
It’s insane that’s allowed. It should mean support stops.
Yup. It’s like Vietnam, but instead of the VC in the bushes it’s the Russian army.
F-16s have so many strings attached that I’m surprised they haven’t been literally copied or pirated lol.
They don’t like giving AMRAAMs either.
When the Imperialists take a nuke in their ass they will cry
Well, you did use the word “the” correctly so I’ll give you that
Isn’t that usually in the discretion of the country that built the fighter? E.g. the US? Usually the US has the final say on whether a fighter they sold to a country can be resold, and I find it weird that they would then allow the Netherlands to do something like that without their approval.