But there are other countries doing the same, even with their own genocides and yet we don’t hear a peep on the global news. So why are they so special? Why is that tragedy worth all our attention and the others don’t seem to be?
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 22:11
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Because Palestinians are the right brown people, the even larger death toll happening in the Sahel is being perpetrated by brown people so its not important. The progressives on the left only care when brown people are being killed by white or white adjacent folks which is why I take none of them seriously.
scibra122@piefed.social
on 15 Jun 22:26
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Well, that and the fact that this website is largely dominated by US, Anglo sphere, and Western countries, which generally have a higher degree of direct complicity in the Palestinian genocide than in the Sahel
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 22:38
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So we’re hypocrites, got it, the RSF kills more of one ethnic background in one day than the entire Israel/American war, and more than the Ukrainian losses is their war leaving a blood stain in one city that can be seen from space but it’s cool because those folks weren’t Palestinian.
cattywampus@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 23:01
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To piggyback, here are the other current genocides.
There is Sudan, particularly the Darfur region in which non-Arab ethnic groups, such as the Masalit, Fur, and Zaghawa have been targeted for eradication by the Rapid Support Forces (RSF). Direct deaths from conflict 30,000 to over 150,000+. Indirect/Famine Deaths are estimated at 500,000+ (primarily children).
Myanmar (Burma), where the Rohingya Muslims are being eradicated by the The Myanmar Military. Initial Genocidal Campaign (2017) at least 9,000 to 25,000+ Rohingya deaths. Ongoing Post-Coup Civil War (2021–Present): Thousands more across multiple ethnic groups.
China (Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region) where the Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic minorities are being eradicated by the Chinese Government. Death toll is inconclusive due to strict control of information by the Chinese government. There’s been an 84% drop in natural population growth rates in predominantly Uyghur regions. Another point of importance is the consistent (relative to anywhere else on earth) surplus of human organs for transplant in China.
Ethiopia (Amhara and Tigray Regions) where the Ethnic Amharas (and previously Tigrayans) are being eradicated by the state security forces and various regional ethnic militias. Tigray War (2020–2022): Estimated 600,000+ deaths. Amhara Conflict (2023–Present): 7,700 to 10,000+ deaths.
For reference the Gaza genocide. Direct Violent Deaths: Over 73,000 Palestinians. Presumed/Indirect Deaths: 10,000+ missing under rubble; tens of thousands more from disease/starvation to date.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Jun 23:16
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Stop weaponizing other conflicts to minimize what is happening in Gaza and palestine, you scummy hypocrite. Do you also complain about how much Ukrainian news there is on lemmy?
There’s space for everything. There’s really no global news coverage shortage for Gaza. Amongst my peers it’s honestly the only genocide they are even aware of. They’re always a bit puzzled to hear it’s not the only one.
You complained about how there is too much posts about gaza rsther than not enough about other conflicts. Don’t insult our intelligence we know really well that you try to weaponize the other conflicts to call anti colonization and genocide in Gaza hypocrites like the pro colonization also do
You complain about too much politics on Lemmy with your 3 days old account and engage in rage baiting and concern trolling on political topics.
How about you just don’t subscribe to political communities then? That’s gonna make live easier for everyone, you don’t see all the politics you don’t like and the communities don’t have to put up with your bad faith conduct.
Just a question, how do you feel about legitimate criticism of China? Are they anti-china propaganda or just legitimate criticism? Now for the sake of the discussion just assume someone gave you X criticism of China and it’s legitimate. I don’t want you running from answering by bringing up other stuff. It’s called a hypothetical and I’m sure you can manage. We can start your new discussion after this one is finished.
I guess we can’t stay on topic. It’s alright. It’s not your fault. Just blink twice if you can’t criticize china even if it’s legitimate and we will all understand.
Mostly that they don’t get much news attention at all, most definitely not in contrast to other tragedies.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 16 Jun 11:57
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China (Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region) where the Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic minorities are being eradicated by the Chinese Government. Death toll is inconclusive due to strict control of information by the Chinese government. There’s been an 84% drop in natural population growth rates in predominantly Uyghur regions. Another point of importance is the consistent (relative to anywhere else on earth) surplus of human organs for transplant in China.
You’re right, anything critical or controversial about China is actually false. It is indeed a utopia in which there is no human suffering whatsoever. Anyone who says otherwise is only spreading propaganda because they’re jealous. Only things critical or controversial about other countries are true.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 16 Jun 12:49
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No, just the reframing of normal prisons as eradication camps when international observers have visited them as well as complete fabrication of data is false. No international group has ever found evidence of the US’ allegations that China is committing genocide.
We know what genocide looks like in a police state thanks to Israel. It looks like livestreams and constant video coverage. It looks like tens of thousands of refugees making their way out of a tightly controlled border. It looks like direct testimonials and actual victims with verifable residency in the area.
It does not look like US and Turkey born people claiming vague and unprovable family members totally disappeared. It does not look like AI-Generated log books from a province that went digital before the claim was made. It does not look like pictures from a drug rehab being passed off as an extermination camp. It does not look like claiming a crackdown on terrorists funded by the US and Turkey, as revealed in leaked CIA documents, is a racially motivated extermination campaign.
What’s one criticism you have of China or the CCP?
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
on 16 Jun 13:49
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The CCP doesn’t exist, but for the CPC:
The Great Firewall was a good idea but its implementation is overall detrimental to China and the wider world, disallowing collaboration and allowing western audiences to have very little idea of how China actually operates besides apps like rednote which have a ‘wink and a nod’ agreement to bypass it.
The speed at which the upper classes are growing compared to the development of poor areas isn’t good, especially as we enter a lull in the available construction labor pool and it would be much better if we utilized the overabundance of labor we have now to ensure less labor is needed as the population shrinks overtime. This could be funded by moderate tax increases to corporations, especially those who have made most their money via exports.
Cliques naturally form in any place where there’s multiple humans and certain cliques in government appear to be harmful and allow corruption to flourish. While Xi has been great at fighting corruption especially compared to previous party presidents, this will end and the party has no concrete anti-corruption measures especially at the lower levels where corruption actually flourishes. If Xi loses the upcoming election or takes his retirement there likely would be a pro-western push, and with it much more corruption at all levels of government the same as the last pro-western push; I would love to see measures that eliminate that risk.
The current citizenship process is flawed at best, and should offer a path for non-citizens and people with greater than 4th gen ancestry to get citizenship without having to essentially be the next Mao. Especially given the One China attitude which encompasses many different distinct regions.
prole@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Jun 11:53
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Most of the people here are in the US, the country that is directly funding the genocide in Gaza.
So I dunno, maybe that’s one reason why it’s talked about more. Because our taxes are literally paying for it.
You have literally zero comment or post about Sudan. You just mad that people talk about Israel atrocities and weaponize other conflicts to minimize the Palestinian one Who’s the hypocrite again?
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Jun 23:40
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Most of the conflicts in the world are civil wars where both side has a certain level of popular support making in hard to take side. There is only two country doing settler colonialism which are genocidal by default Israel and Russia.
Israel is the only country that is talking about total extermination of a whole population of 2 millions not just a particular ethnic group . Palestine colonization is the longest current colonization . 78 goddamn years of oppression. Also no other conflicts get as much support from the usa and the west where it side with the agressor.
Two and a half years into an active ongoing high tech industrialised genocide and you come around with that smelly removed hasbara take to deflect. The countries doing “the same” are the countries enabling this shit. So let’s see:
Maybe it could have something to do with the US, UK, Germany and others (ThE wEsT) actively facilitating that fascist Lebensraum endeavour by finance, ideology, policy, weaponry, research, development, logistics, infrastructure, consent manufacturing, domestic opposition repression, domestic justice disintegration – instead of doing anything at all to put an end to it.
Maybe because Israeli mass murderers and mass rapists are free to move anywhere in the West and are institutionally protected from any consequences for their vile deeds or are even celebrated as heroes or at least as poor victims.
Maybe because the West is acting antisemitic, by equating Zionism and Judaism; and people really don’t like Anti-Semitism for some reason.
Maybe because “never again” was supposed to mean “never again”.
Maybe because anyone is able to witness the horrors live on their devices every day.
Maybe because it’s THE main showcase for western value hypocrisy.
Maybe because the West is ignoring international law and the international court.
Maybe because the West is doing nothing to protect their own citizens that decide to take action – but rather deport them, strip them of their citizenship, beat them up, jail them, treat them as terrorists?
Maybe because western police are actively suppressing activist Jews, underscoring the antisemitic and hypocritical nature of their policies.
Maybe because it’s furthering societal division?
Maybe because it’s racist as fuck?
Maybe because it’s a western colony?
Maybe because it’s an Apartheid regime?
Maybe because your stance is symbolic of what the German Staatsräson is supposed to accomplish – wilful ignorance.
Idk, man, maybe you could just delete your account again, doesn’t seem to be worth the constant attention with removed takes like that.
There is Sudan, particularly the Darfur region in which non-Arab ethnic groups, such as the Masalit, Fur, and Zaghawa have been targeted for eradication by the Rapid Support Forces (RSF). Direct deaths from conflict 30,000 to over 150,000+. Indirect/Famine Deaths are estimated at 500,000+ (primarily children).
Myanmar (Burma), where the Rohingya Muslims are being eradicated by the The Myanmar Military. Initial Genocidal Campaign (2017) at least 9,000 to 25,000+ Rohingya deaths. Ongoing Post-Coup Civil War (2021–Present): Thousands more across multiple ethnic groups.
China (Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region) where the Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic minorities are being eradicated by the Chinese Government. Death toll is inconclusive due to strict control of information by the Chinese government.
There has been an 84% drop in natural population growth rates in predominantly Uyghur regions. Another point of importance is the consistent (relative to anywhere else on earth) surplus of human organs for transplant in China.
Ethiopia (Amhara and Tigray Regions) where the Ethnic Amharas (and previously Tigrayans) are being eradicated by the state security forces and various regional ethnic militias. Tigray War (2020–2022): Estimated 600,000+ deaths. Amhara Conflict (2023–Present): 7,700 to 10,000+ deaths.
For reference the Gaza genocide. Direct Violent Deaths: Over 73,000 Palestinians. Presumed/Indirect Deaths: 10,000+ missing under rubble; tens of thousands more from disease/starvation to date.
So it’s interesting to watch the global outcry for kinda only one of these genocides particularly given how horrific the incidents in the Tigary and Darfur region are. Its almost as if the global and western news doesn’t care about brown people.
So you’re doubling down, you’re a proud Anti-Deutscher or what? Stop spamming your false equivalencies. Nice concern troll you are.
Maybe read my comment and try to understand to difference, as your take just doesn’t make any sense as an answer. It’s no argument.
You kinda started the conversation pretty rudely, I’m not sure why I should oblige such unbecoming behavior. You get better responses when you aren’t rude generally speaking.
I’m sure that was an honest apology. Anyways, didn’t your mom or dad or whoever raised you teach you any manners? We can have a discussion without calling each other names, you know like rational and civil adults.
To answer your question, it’s not just western news that is shy of these other genocides, its global news and well global news is global. Personally I think it boils down to money and influence. For example if there is country X who has zero influence internationally and is killing millions of people in its borders or even millions in country Y who itself has minimal international influence then the rest of humanity is mostly fine with it because it doesn’t affect their money.
Obviously Iran has a massive influence on oil and global trade so any issue there will get consistent global coverage. Similarly Israel and their greater Israel plan is destabilizing an entire region which similarly messes with global trade and commerce so that’s going to get a lot of attention.
In contrast to the above what’s happening in the Tigray region of Ethiopia generally doesn’t affect global commerce or threaten to destabilize a region that heavily affects global commerce.
Aka people don’t care about much unless it affects them personally generally speaking. All their virtue and moral signaling over one tragedy but not any other is kinda a farce.
If you yourself had any manners, you wouldn’t troll on an issue like that. Also, I didn’t call you names, I directly asked if you are Anti-Deutsch. You could just say “No, I’m not, that’s not my ideology. I’m just a Zionist, without the pretence of leftism”. If name-calling is that I call you out on the obvious bad faith troll behaviour, then idk, maybe stop playing victim, it doesn’t suite you.
In the comment I answered to, you started of with a deflection away from Israel, with classic whataboutism: “But there are other countries doing the same”. WhY dOeS nObOdY tAlK aBoUt ThIS oThEr StUfF.
Then you asked two questions:
So why are they so special? Why is that tragedy worth all our attention and the others don’t seem to be?
I answered both of these questions, directly. I gave you my take, why this might be different from other atrocities around the world. You ignored it entirely and spam-pasted your previous comment with a little amendment how “it’s interesting to watch the global outcry for kinda only one of these genocides” and immediately again, deflected to another issue, which again was simply whataboutism. So, it’s kinda weird that you are talking about manners, if you yourself aren’t even able to actually stay in the conversation, but ignore people’s engagement completely. Quite demeaning, don’t you think?
Now you slyly pretend to engage with what I said with “To answer your question, it’s not just western news that (…)”, but you don’t actually answer any question I put forward. What you do instead is deflect from the actual substance of what I commented and derail towards what might or might not be your honest take, but it’s not in any way shape or form in reference to what has been said.
I could engage with your takes, I would actually respect them as good faith commentary, if only you actually engaged with the substance of my messages. You don’t, you are a troll.
You are a bad faith actor and I call you out for it. Directly engage with the comment I made above, do it now. Do you agree with my reasoning, why it’s different? If you don’t agree, reply with reference to what has been said, explain why the points I made are, in your view, not a differentiating factor. But you don’t do any of that, you keep ignoring the topic and deflect, deflect, deflect. You are acting in bad faith. We are done, if you don’t engage with the answers I gave to your very own questions.
Dude you can’t complain about something you’re doing yourself. If you haven’t noticed there’s a bit of sarcasm on both sides of the fence here. So this is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black eh?
Officially I’m not mentally enslaved by or beholden to any nation, religion, political ideology or culture. I wish all minds everywhere in existence experience less needless and avoidable suffering, not just human minds on earth.
Also no there are other tragedies happening and I do believe people ignore them mainly because it doesn’t mess with their money and that’s about the ins and outs of it. Either that or it’s not connected to the abrahamic faiths and all the wonders that’s brought humanity. Seriously there’s like too many abrahamic death cults trying to end the world. Also there is a vague brown (or browner) people are less human thing going on.
I don’t think just talking about what’s happening literally is minimizing anything. All. Of these atrocities should end immediately. If that view makes me scum to you then I have had news for you buddy.
You was mad that there is too much posts about Israel making you a scum. Only zionists use your dumb taking point. Just fuck off , you can go back to reddit where there is plenty of other zionists
Mad? Not really. I’m sad there’s not enough coverage on other tragedies. Personally I would rather all of these tragedies end so I guess wanting the killings in Gaza to end and the killings elsewhere to end makes a dumb Zionist then I guess that’s how it is although I don’t think actual Zionist would agree with my views to free Palestine.
Is this a genocide competition or something? Jesus Christ
cattywampus@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 12:14
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Just noting that a lot of human suffering seems to go unnoticed and what we choose to focus on particularly in the global news doesn’t seem related to the sheer amount of human tragedy but more so how financially influential something is, particularly towards the wealthier countries and regions.
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca
on 15 Jun 21:09
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Oh shit, the deal might actually be worth something.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 21:34
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“We must not compromise on anything less than the dismantling of Hezbollah,” Israel’s ultranationalist national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, wrote on X.
That dude is fucking insane, and has been for decades.
As hard as it is to believe, Bibi isn’t as extreme as most of the people surrounding him. He does it for a grift for power, but the people he’s put in power are just actual terrorists who want nothing more than commit genocide.
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Goodness I can’t wait for them to be out of the global news. They are like the Andrew Tate of countries.
They can’t get out of the global news because they will continue to steal more land and terrorize the whole region
But there are other countries doing the same, even with their own genocides and yet we don’t hear a peep on the global news. So why are they so special? Why is that tragedy worth all our attention and the others don’t seem to be?
Because Palestinians are the right brown people, the even larger death toll happening in the Sahel is being perpetrated by brown people so its not important. The progressives on the left only care when brown people are being killed by white or white adjacent folks which is why I take none of them seriously.
Well, that and the fact that this website is largely dominated by US, Anglo sphere, and Western countries, which generally have a higher degree of direct complicity in the Palestinian genocide than in the Sahel
So we’re hypocrites, got it, the RSF kills more of one ethnic background in one day than the entire Israel/American war, and more than the Ukrainian losses is their war leaving a blood stain in one city that can be seen from space but it’s cool because those folks weren’t Palestinian.
To piggyback, here are the other current genocides.
There is Sudan, particularly the Darfur region in which non-Arab ethnic groups, such as the Masalit, Fur, and Zaghawa have been targeted for eradication by the Rapid Support Forces (RSF). Direct deaths from conflict 30,000 to over 150,000+. Indirect/Famine Deaths are estimated at 500,000+ (primarily children).
Myanmar (Burma), where the Rohingya Muslims are being eradicated by the The Myanmar Military. Initial Genocidal Campaign (2017) at least 9,000 to 25,000+ Rohingya deaths. Ongoing Post-Coup Civil War (2021–Present): Thousands more across multiple ethnic groups.
China (Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region) where the Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic minorities are being eradicated by the Chinese Government. Death toll is inconclusive due to strict control of information by the Chinese government. There’s been an 84% drop in natural population growth rates in predominantly Uyghur regions. Another point of importance is the consistent (relative to anywhere else on earth) surplus of human organs for transplant in China.
Ethiopia (Amhara and Tigray Regions) where the Ethnic Amharas (and previously Tigrayans) are being eradicated by the state security forces and various regional ethnic militias. Tigray War (2020–2022): Estimated 600,000+ deaths. Amhara Conflict (2023–Present): 7,700 to 10,000+ deaths.
For reference the Gaza genocide. Direct Violent Deaths: Over 73,000 Palestinians. Presumed/Indirect Deaths: 10,000+ missing under rubble; tens of thousands more from disease/starvation to date.
Stop weaponizing other conflicts to minimize what is happening in Gaza and palestine, you scummy hypocrite. Do you also complain about how much Ukrainian news there is on lemmy?
There’s space for everything. There’s really no global news coverage shortage for Gaza. Amongst my peers it’s honestly the only genocide they are even aware of. They’re always a bit puzzled to hear it’s not the only one.
You complained about how there is too much posts about gaza rsther than not enough about other conflicts. Don’t insult our intelligence we know really well that you try to weaponize the other conflicts to call anti colonization and genocide in Gaza hypocrites like the pro colonization also do
This would have been an informative comment without the anti-China propaganda.
Is anything negative about china anti-china propaganda?
Nobody said that. Removed with your strawman.
You complain about too much politics on Lemmy with your 3 days old account and engage in rage baiting and concern trolling on political topics. How about you just don’t subscribe to political communities then? That’s gonna make live easier for everyone, you don’t see all the politics you don’t like and the communities don’t have to put up with your bad faith conduct.
Just a question, how do you feel about legitimate criticism of China? Are they anti-china propaganda or just legitimate criticism? Now for the sake of the discussion just assume someone gave you X criticism of China and it’s legitimate. I don’t want you running from answering by bringing up other stuff. It’s called a hypothetical and I’m sure you can manage. We can start your new discussion after this one is finished.
I guess we can’t stay on topic. It’s alright. It’s not your fault. Just blink twice if you can’t criticize china even if it’s legitimate and we will all understand.
Kind of like derailing a thread about Gaza to talk about other conflicts that are also bad?
Mostly that they don’t get much news attention at all, most definitely not in contrast to other tragedies.
None of this is true btw.
You’re right, anything critical or controversial about China is actually false. It is indeed a utopia in which there is no human suffering whatsoever. Anyone who says otherwise is only spreading propaganda because they’re jealous. Only things critical or controversial about other countries are true.
No, just the reframing of normal prisons as eradication camps when international observers have visited them as well as complete fabrication of data is false. No international group has ever found evidence of the US’ allegations that China is committing genocide.
We know what genocide looks like in a police state thanks to Israel. It looks like livestreams and constant video coverage. It looks like tens of thousands of refugees making their way out of a tightly controlled border. It looks like direct testimonials and actual victims with verifable residency in the area.
It does not look like US and Turkey born people claiming vague and unprovable family members totally disappeared. It does not look like AI-Generated log books from a province that went digital before the claim was made. It does not look like pictures from a drug rehab being passed off as an extermination camp. It does not look like claiming a crackdown on terrorists funded by the US and Turkey, as revealed in leaked CIA documents, is a racially motivated extermination campaign.
What’s one criticism you have of China or the CCP?
The CCP doesn’t exist, but for the CPC:
The Great Firewall was a good idea but its implementation is overall detrimental to China and the wider world, disallowing collaboration and allowing western audiences to have very little idea of how China actually operates besides apps like rednote which have a ‘wink and a nod’ agreement to bypass it.
The speed at which the upper classes are growing compared to the development of poor areas isn’t good, especially as we enter a lull in the available construction labor pool and it would be much better if we utilized the overabundance of labor we have now to ensure less labor is needed as the population shrinks overtime. This could be funded by moderate tax increases to corporations, especially those who have made most their money via exports.
Cliques naturally form in any place where there’s multiple humans and certain cliques in government appear to be harmful and allow corruption to flourish. While Xi has been great at fighting corruption especially compared to previous party presidents, this will end and the party has no concrete anti-corruption measures especially at the lower levels where corruption actually flourishes. If Xi loses the upcoming election or takes his retirement there likely would be a pro-western push, and with it much more corruption at all levels of government the same as the last pro-western push; I would love to see measures that eliminate that risk.
The current citizenship process is flawed at best, and should offer a path for non-citizens and people with greater than 4th gen ancestry to get citizenship without having to essentially be the next Mao. Especially given the One China attitude which encompasses many different distinct regions.
Most of the people here are in the US, the country that is directly funding the genocide in Gaza.
So I dunno, maybe that’s one reason why it’s talked about more. Because our taxes are literally paying for it.
You have literally zero comment or post about Sudan. You just mad that people talk about Israel atrocities and weaponize other conflicts to minimize the Palestinian one Who’s the hypocrite again?
Most of the conflicts in the world are civil wars where both side has a certain level of popular support making in hard to take side. There is only two country doing settler colonialism which are genocidal by default Israel and Russia.
Israel is the only country that is talking about total extermination of a whole population of 2 millions not just a particular ethnic group . Palestine colonization is the longest current colonization . 78 goddamn years of oppression. Also no other conflicts get as much support from the usa and the west where it side with the agressor.
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Two and a half years into an active ongoing high tech industrialised genocide and you come around with that smelly removed hasbara take to deflect. The countries doing “the same” are the countries enabling this shit. So let’s see:
Idk, man, maybe you could just delete your account again, doesn’t seem to be worth the constant attention with removed takes like that.
There is Sudan, particularly the Darfur region in which non-Arab ethnic groups, such as the Masalit, Fur, and Zaghawa have been targeted for eradication by the Rapid Support Forces (RSF). Direct deaths from conflict 30,000 to over 150,000+. Indirect/Famine Deaths are estimated at 500,000+ (primarily children).
Myanmar (Burma), where the Rohingya Muslims are being eradicated by the The Myanmar Military. Initial Genocidal Campaign (2017) at least 9,000 to 25,000+ Rohingya deaths. Ongoing Post-Coup Civil War (2021–Present): Thousands more across multiple ethnic groups.
China (Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region) where the Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other predominantly Muslim Turkic minorities are being eradicated by the Chinese Government. Death toll is inconclusive due to strict control of information by the Chinese government. There has been an 84% drop in natural population growth rates in predominantly Uyghur regions. Another point of importance is the consistent (relative to anywhere else on earth) surplus of human organs for transplant in China.
Ethiopia (Amhara and Tigray Regions) where the Ethnic Amharas (and previously Tigrayans) are being eradicated by the state security forces and various regional ethnic militias. Tigray War (2020–2022): Estimated 600,000+ deaths. Amhara Conflict (2023–Present): 7,700 to 10,000+ deaths.
For reference the Gaza genocide. Direct Violent Deaths: Over 73,000 Palestinians. Presumed/Indirect Deaths: 10,000+ missing under rubble; tens of thousands more from disease/starvation to date.
So it’s interesting to watch the global outcry for kinda only one of these genocides particularly given how horrific the incidents in the Tigary and Darfur region are. Its almost as if the global and western news doesn’t care about brown people.
So you’re doubling down, you’re a proud Anti-Deutscher or what? Stop spamming your false equivalencies. Nice concern troll you are. Maybe read my comment and try to understand to difference, as your take just doesn’t make any sense as an answer. It’s no argument.
It’s just facts. If they bother you then I may have some unfortunate news for you.
You failed to engage with my answer to your earlier comment, the one before your c&p answer. How about you do that first.
You kinda started the conversation pretty rudely, I’m not sure why I should oblige such unbecoming behavior. You get better responses when you aren’t rude generally speaking.
I’m sure your hurt feelings are the issue here. I‘m so sorry, I may have been rude to you. How about now?
I’m sure that was an honest apology. Anyways, didn’t your mom or dad or whoever raised you teach you any manners? We can have a discussion without calling each other names, you know like rational and civil adults.
To answer your question, it’s not just western news that is shy of these other genocides, its global news and well global news is global. Personally I think it boils down to money and influence. For example if there is country X who has zero influence internationally and is killing millions of people in its borders or even millions in country Y who itself has minimal international influence then the rest of humanity is mostly fine with it because it doesn’t affect their money.
Obviously Iran has a massive influence on oil and global trade so any issue there will get consistent global coverage. Similarly Israel and their greater Israel plan is destabilizing an entire region which similarly messes with global trade and commerce so that’s going to get a lot of attention.
In contrast to the above what’s happening in the Tigray region of Ethiopia generally doesn’t affect global commerce or threaten to destabilize a region that heavily affects global commerce.
Aka people don’t care about much unless it affects them personally generally speaking. All their virtue and moral signaling over one tragedy but not any other is kinda a farce.
If you yourself had any manners, you wouldn’t troll on an issue like that. Also, I didn’t call you names, I directly asked if you are Anti-Deutsch. You could just say “No, I’m not, that’s not my ideology. I’m just a Zionist, without the pretence of leftism”. If name-calling is that I call you out on the obvious bad faith troll behaviour, then idk, maybe stop playing victim, it doesn’t suite you.
In the comment I answered to, you started of with a deflection away from Israel, with classic whataboutism: “But there are other countries doing the same”. WhY dOeS nObOdY tAlK aBoUt ThIS oThEr StUfF.
Then you asked two questions:
I answered both of these questions, directly. I gave you my take, why this might be different from other atrocities around the world. You ignored it entirely and spam-pasted your previous comment with a little amendment how “it’s interesting to watch the global outcry for kinda only one of these genocides” and immediately again, deflected to another issue, which again was simply whataboutism. So, it’s kinda weird that you are talking about manners, if you yourself aren’t even able to actually stay in the conversation, but ignore people’s engagement completely. Quite demeaning, don’t you think?
Now you slyly pretend to engage with what I said with “To answer your question, it’s not just western news that (…)”, but you don’t actually answer any question I put forward. What you do instead is deflect from the actual substance of what I commented and derail towards what might or might not be your honest take, but it’s not in any way shape or form in reference to what has been said.
I could engage with your takes, I would actually respect them as good faith commentary, if only you actually engaged with the substance of my messages. You don’t, you are a troll.
You are a bad faith actor and I call you out for it. Directly engage with the comment I made above, do it now. Do you agree with my reasoning, why it’s different? If you don’t agree, reply with reference to what has been said, explain why the points I made are, in your view, not a differentiating factor. But you don’t do any of that, you keep ignoring the topic and deflect, deflect, deflect. You are acting in bad faith. We are done, if you don’t engage with the answers I gave to your very own questions.
Dude you can’t complain about something you’re doing yourself. If you haven’t noticed there’s a bit of sarcasm on both sides of the fence here. So this is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black eh?
Officially I’m not mentally enslaved by or beholden to any nation, religion, political ideology or culture. I wish all minds everywhere in existence experience less needless and avoidable suffering, not just human minds on earth.
Also no there are other tragedies happening and I do believe people ignore them mainly because it doesn’t mess with their money and that’s about the ins and outs of it. Either that or it’s not connected to the abrahamic faiths and all the wonders that’s brought humanity. Seriously there’s like too many abrahamic death cults trying to end the world. Also there is a vague brown (or browner) people are less human thing going on.
Just fuck off. Nobody more disrespectful and rude then you minimize genocide in Gaza. Nobody want to see scums like you on the fediverse.
I don’t think just talking about what’s happening literally is minimizing anything. All. Of these atrocities should end immediately. If that view makes me scum to you then I have had news for you buddy.
You was mad that there is too much posts about Israel making you a scum. Only zionists use your dumb taking point. Just fuck off , you can go back to reddit where there is plenty of other zionists
Mad? Not really. I’m sad there’s not enough coverage on other tragedies. Personally I would rather all of these tragedies end so I guess wanting the killings in Gaza to end and the killings elsewhere to end makes a dumb Zionist then I guess that’s how it is although I don’t think actual Zionist would agree with my views to free Palestine.
Is this a genocide competition or something? Jesus Christ
Just noting that a lot of human suffering seems to go unnoticed and what we choose to focus on particularly in the global news doesn’t seem related to the sheer amount of human tragedy but more so how financially influential something is, particularly towards the wealthier countries and regions.
It is a zionazi talking point
Some people are waiting for that since 1948.
Oh shit, the deal might actually be worth something.
That dude is fucking insane, and has been for decades.
As hard as it is to believe, Bibi isn’t as extreme as most of the people surrounding him. He does it for a grift for power, but the people he’s put in power are just actual terrorists who want nothing more than commit genocide.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir#Controversi…
If/when he loses their support or just stops being useful to them, they’re just gonna fucking kill him.
So ready for him to stop being useful.
youtube.com/shorts/PZSbnoJJIns
Here he is celebrating the death sentence for Palestinians for any charge they wish.
Mostly Bibi just knows how to play the game of respectability better than the freaks in his cabinet.
Lemme guess, they’re pissed off that Iran isn’t a smoldering husk right now?
Not enough genocide for their liking.
Some posts on Twitter/X show they are enraged at Trump as well and calling for God to curse him etc.
I find that kind of amusing on multiple levels.