Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Aug 2024 16:36
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That is a horrifying number.
Imagine going to an average school in the US, looking into the first classroom and every kid in there is dead.
Then you keep walking down the hall, the next 5 classrooms you check are the same, every kid dead except the 6th one has a couple still alive.
That’s how you can help contextualise this cold hard number, based on an average class size of around 20.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 20 Aug 2024 16:50
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based on an average class size of around 20.
Legitimately surprised that number is accurate…
But I googled it. And it is the average in America.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Aug 2024 21:03
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And where you live?
morbidcactus@lemmy.ca
on 20 Aug 2024 23:19
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Not the person you replied to but for interest, It was 25 hard capped in grade school only because of the program I went through back years ago, though looking now 25-30 is petty consistent in that region as of last year. Highschool was larger, maybe 30, less once going into upper year courses, literally 8 of us took comp sci and that was combined gr11 and 12
Ontario, Canada for reference. 20 seemed low to me too tbh, but not out of the realm of possibility.
It’s intentionally misleading to only talk about the first six when there are forty-nine thousand, nine-hundred and ninty four more rooms each with twenty alive kids, when you’re making allegations of genocidal and tent and war crimes.
You really don’t see that?
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 2024 12:32
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No I don’t see it. I didn’t realise there was an acceptable number of children per capita to shoot and kill.
Really? I’m surprised you didn’t know that. I remember my first war.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 2024 12:47
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Well given your apparent wealth of experience maybe you can help the rest of us out. How many kids is it acceptable to shoot before we’re allowed to count them?
I wouldn’t float a guess. That’s a decision for democratically elected governments to make.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 2024 14:02
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Well, I only asked because you seemed to have an opinion on that before. Glad to see you distancing yourself from the implications of your comment though, it really is the only palatable move once you’ve put yourself in that corner isn’t it
The corner of acknowledging the realities warfare and governance by having been well read and traveled?
I get it. It’s your first war. It will always feel special.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 2024 17:21
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No no no, you didn’t “acknowledge the realities of warfare and governance (governance, wtf?)”. Your position was that it’s dishonest to point out the number of children shot and killed by the IDF because they still have plenty of spare ones anyway. I honestly can’t believe I’m not even strawmaning you with this and that is a real thing that someone who’s apparently a human being genuinely thinks.
For what it’s worth, I do remember my first war. I had no problem going out on the street and protesting the immoral actions of my own government. I certainly never told anyone not to complain about children being shot and killed. No amount of reading or travelling will make me stoop so low and you’re simply lying to yourself if you think it’s because you’re smarter than everyone else that you’re cool with the murder of children.
You know what is a first for me though, seeing someone being such a condescending prick about others having a problem with children being shot and killed. Hopefully it’s also a last but I somehow doubt it.
That’s you making up that I am cool with children getting murder. You are straw manning. If my argument is so bad why do you need to put up a straw man? And call me names?
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Aug 2024 17:59
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Well you certainly don’t seem to be particularly bothered by it, let’s put it that way. And you can accuse me of strawmaning if you want but your position was that it is dishonest to point out the number of children killed because there are still lots more children that haven’t been killed yet. Feel free to correct me, honestly I would love to be wrong about that.
And yeah I’m going to call you a condescending prick if you are going to pretend like you are somehow more well read and travelled than some stranger you know nothing about because they disagree with you. That’s condescending prick behaviour which I will call out. If your argument is so good why is the only thing you can do in your defence pretend that you must be smarter than others?
You’re still misrepresenting my position, strawmanning, and resorting to insults. You want me to be as emotional and indignant about this as you, regardless of how I actually feel about it, and I’m not, and that’s got you all fired up at me. You’re probably, sincerely, a really good person. At this point you’ll forgive my condescension after two rounds of your flagrant misrepresentations and insults. You seem obviously immature or inexperienced, or both, to me, anyway. ✌️
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Aug 2024 03:19
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Well, I’d say you are a good person too but I really don’t know anything about you. Other than you are very uncomfortable having your position read back to you and you think you are very smart. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate some of your self beliefs, it’s ok to be wrong! Most people who claim to be smart to the point of using it as a defence of their position probably aren’t that good at introspection but hopefully it’s something you’ll grow out of.
Or maybe I’m wrong and I just haven’t travelled to enough countries yet to see it. If I have a sudden realisation next time I’m stepping off the plane I’ll come back and let you know.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
on 21 Aug 2024 05:22
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Discrediting death tolls is a type of genocide denial, there are certainly much more dead than has not been accounted for yet, due to the ongoing genocide
By June 19, 2024, 37,396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. The Ministry’s figures have been contested by the Israeli authorities, although they have been accepted as accurate by Israeli intelligence services, the UN, and WHO. These data are supported by independent analyses, comparing changes in the number of deaths of UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) staff with those reported by the Ministry, which found claims of data fabrication implausible.
Sure, I bet the number is accurate. Putting the blame solely on the IDF is straight up propaganda.
Remember when Hamas shot that hospital with a rocket and blamed the IDF? They’ve proven themselves willing to lie.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
on 21 Aug 2024 15:03
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You mean the Al Ahli Hospital? The one instance where it is still inconclusive? Yet you are convinced it’s Hamas, I wonder why. The hospital where we know for a fact was hit by Israeli rocket fire days prior. All the while, Israel has never stopped bombing hospitals, schools, mosques, historical sites, Refugee camps, tens of thousands of children, hundreds of journalists, and international aid workers
The IDF lies routinely, yet your so caught up in Israeli propaganda you still justify all that with the ‘human shields’ bullshit. Yet the only side that has extensive evidence of using actual human shields, is the IDF using Palestinian civilians.
This was not the first airstrike on the hospital in question. The New York Times confirmed that the same hospital had been hit by rocket fire on Oct. 14, 2023, before the more recent attack, in which four people had been injured.
More than half of Gaza’s homes destroyed or damaged, 80 percent of commercial facilities, 85 percent of school building, 16 out of 36 hospitals are partially functioning, 65 percent of road networks, 65 percent of cropland damaged
Following past Israeli military operations in Gaza in 2009 and 2014, Amnesty International repeatedly investigated “human shields” accusations and, while it did accuse Hamas of other violations of international humanitarian law, it found no evidence to back up the specific accusation of “direct[ing] the movements of civilians to shield military objectives from attacks.”
there is extensive evidence of the IDF quite literally engaging in human shielding — forcing Palestinian civilians to approach houses for them because they’ll be less likely to be shot at than Israeli soldiers, for example. Israel’s High Court banned the practice in 2005, but Israeli human rights group B’Tselem reports that “soldiers continue to occasionally use Palestinians as human shields even after the court ruling, especially during military operations.”
Still living in denial that your friends in Hamas are always using entire cities as human shields, and (along with your friends in UNRWA) encouraging a disgusting culture of “martyrdom” in which the only thing better than everything else is dying to Israeli munitions so the terrorists they elected can score sympathy points.
And still spamming links to Qatari state media and fundraising solicitation ads.
How original.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2024 15:46
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Dude, not only is that times of Israel article propping up the conspiracy theory that UNRWA employees worked with Hamas to do Oct 7th, which is still completely unsubstantiated, IMPACT-se uses straight up IDF propaganda. That’s such a gross article, trying to justify this genocide where over 15 thousand children and nearly every school has been eradicated with bombs. GEI is credible when it comes to textbook analysis and it’s findings are much different. Palestinian children are radicalized when they experience the violence of IDF forces on a daily basis, no textbook needed.
You’re so gullible you won’t even read reports by Human Rights Organizations, you don’t have any credibility
Kaput@lemmy.world
on 20 Aug 2024 17:53
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There is some very dark joke about KPI in there, but the simple fact that there is need for this statistic is too horrifying in itself to make it. I bet the IDF that will register it and say only raised by 10 percent. Which even if true mean they still have statistic about killing children’s.
Who the fuck goes: hey Bob, we seem to be killing children’s. Gotta do something, let’sb keep track of how many.
DancingBear@midwest.social
on 21 Aug 2024 02:14
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The most moral army in the world only kills legitimate targets. These children are Hamas.
Pilferjinx@lemmy.world
on 21 Aug 2024 05:40
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The thing with guns is that it is discriminate.
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on 21 Aug 2024 15:18
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That is a horrifying number.
Imagine going to an average school in the US, looking into the first classroom and every kid in there is dead.
Then you keep walking down the hall, the next 5 classrooms you check are the same, every kid dead except the 6th one has a couple still alive.
That’s how you can help contextualise this cold hard number, based on an average class size of around 20.
Legitimately surprised that number is accurate…
But I googled it. And it is the average in America.
And where you live?
Not the person you replied to but for interest, It was 25 hard capped in grade school only because of the program I went through back years ago, though looking now 25-30 is petty consistent in that region as of last year. Highschool was larger, maybe 30, less once going into upper year courses, literally 8 of us took comp sci and that was combined gr11 and 12
Ontario, Canada for reference. 20 seemed low to me too tbh, but not out of the realm of possibility.
Using average class size of 20, classrooms no. 7 through no. 50,000, in which all 20 kids are alive and well.
Yes, and?
It’s intentionally misleading to only talk about the first six when there are forty-nine thousand, nine-hundred and ninty four more rooms each with twenty alive kids, when you’re making allegations of genocidal and tent and war crimes.
You really don’t see that?
No I don’t see it. I didn’t realise there was an acceptable number of children per capita to shoot and kill.
Really? I’m surprised you didn’t know that. I remember my first war.
Well given your apparent wealth of experience maybe you can help the rest of us out. How many kids is it acceptable to shoot before we’re allowed to count them?
I wouldn’t float a guess. That’s a decision for democratically elected governments to make.
Well, I only asked because you seemed to have an opinion on that before. Glad to see you distancing yourself from the implications of your comment though, it really is the only palatable move once you’ve put yourself in that corner isn’t it
The corner of acknowledging the realities warfare and governance by having been well read and traveled?
I get it. It’s your first war. It will always feel special.
No no no, you didn’t “acknowledge the realities of warfare and governance (governance, wtf?)”. Your position was that it’s dishonest to point out the number of children shot and killed by the IDF because they still have plenty of spare ones anyway. I honestly can’t believe I’m not even strawmaning you with this and that is a real thing that someone who’s apparently a human being genuinely thinks.
For what it’s worth, I do remember my first war. I had no problem going out on the street and protesting the immoral actions of my own government. I certainly never told anyone not to complain about children being shot and killed. No amount of reading or travelling will make me stoop so low and you’re simply lying to yourself if you think it’s because you’re smarter than everyone else that you’re cool with the murder of children.
You know what is a first for me though, seeing someone being such a condescending prick about others having a problem with children being shot and killed. Hopefully it’s also a last but I somehow doubt it.
That’s you making up that I am cool with children getting murder. You are straw manning. If my argument is so bad why do you need to put up a straw man? And call me names?
Well you certainly don’t seem to be particularly bothered by it, let’s put it that way. And you can accuse me of strawmaning if you want but your position was that it is dishonest to point out the number of children killed because there are still lots more children that haven’t been killed yet. Feel free to correct me, honestly I would love to be wrong about that.
And yeah I’m going to call you a condescending prick if you are going to pretend like you are somehow more well read and travelled than some stranger you know nothing about because they disagree with you. That’s condescending prick behaviour which I will call out. If your argument is so good why is the only thing you can do in your defence pretend that you must be smarter than others?
You’re still misrepresenting my position, strawmanning, and resorting to insults. You want me to be as emotional and indignant about this as you, regardless of how I actually feel about it, and I’m not, and that’s got you all fired up at me. You’re probably, sincerely, a really good person. At this point you’ll forgive my condescension after two rounds of your flagrant misrepresentations and insults. You seem obviously immature or inexperienced, or both, to me, anyway. ✌️
Well, I’d say you are a good person too but I really don’t know anything about you. Other than you are very uncomfortable having your position read back to you and you think you are very smart. Maybe it’s time to re-evaluate some of your self beliefs, it’s ok to be wrong! Most people who claim to be smart to the point of using it as a defence of their position probably aren’t that good at introspection but hopefully it’s something you’ll grow out of.
Or maybe I’m wrong and I just haven’t travelled to enough countries yet to see it. If I have a sudden realisation next time I’m stepping off the plane I’ll come back and let you know.
I don’t think Hamas is counting dead children in the West Bank.
You’re right, they’re just making up figures.
Discrediting death tolls is a type of genocide denial, there are certainly much more dead than has not been accounted for yet, due to the ongoing genocide
Sure, I bet the number is accurate. Putting the blame solely on the IDF is straight up propaganda.
Remember when Hamas shot that hospital with a rocket and blamed the IDF? They’ve proven themselves willing to lie.
You mean the Al Ahli Hospital? The one instance where it is still inconclusive? Yet you are convinced it’s Hamas, I wonder why. The hospital where we know for a fact was hit by Israeli rocket fire days prior. All the while, Israel has never stopped bombing hospitals, schools, mosques, historical sites, Refugee camps, tens of thousands of children, hundreds of journalists, and international aid workers
The IDF lies routinely, yet your so caught up in Israeli propaganda you still justify all that with the ‘human shields’ bullshit. Yet the only side that has extensive evidence of using actual human shields, is the IDF using Palestinian civilians.
Still living in denial that your friends in Hamas are always using entire cities as human shields, and (along with your friends in UNRWA) encouraging a disgusting culture of “martyrdom” in which the only thing better than everything else is dying to Israeli munitions so the terrorists they elected can score sympathy points.
And still spamming links to Qatari state media and fundraising solicitation ads.
How original.
Dude, not only is that times of Israel article propping up the conspiracy theory that UNRWA employees worked with Hamas to do Oct 7th, which is still completely unsubstantiated, IMPACT-se uses straight up IDF propaganda. That’s such a gross article, trying to justify this genocide where over 15 thousand children and nearly every school has been eradicated with bombs. GEI is credible when it comes to textbook analysis and it’s findings are much different. Palestinian children are radicalized when they experience the violence of IDF forces on a daily basis, no textbook needed.
You’re so gullible you won’t even read reports by Human Rights Organizations, you don’t have any credibility
There is some very dark joke about KPI in there, but the simple fact that there is need for this statistic is too horrifying in itself to make it. I bet the IDF that will register it and say only raised by 10 percent. Which even if true mean they still have statistic about killing children’s.
Who the fuck goes: hey Bob, we seem to be killing children’s. Gotta do something, let’sb keep track of how many.
The most moral army in the world only kills legitimate targets. These children are Hamas.
The thing with guns is that it is discriminate.
But why would Biden do this?!?!1?