‘Horrific massacre’: Deadly Israeli fire at Palestinians waiting for aid
(www.aljazeera.com)
from otter@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 29 Feb 2024 10:56
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from otter@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 29 Feb 2024 10:56
https://lemmy.ca/post/16405956
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/12546096
Gaza’s government media office accused the Israeli army of “committing a horrific massacre”. More than 70 people were killed and about 250 others wounded, it said in a statement on Thursday.
The citizens had congregated at al-Rashid Street, where aid trucks carrying flour were believed to be on the way. Al Jazeera verified footage showing the bodies of dozens of killed and wounded Palestinians being carried onto trucks as no ambulances could reach the area.
“I have been waiting since yesterday. At about 4.30 this morning, trucks started to come through. Once we approached the aid trucks, the Israeli tanks and warplanes started firing at us, as if it was a trap.
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They became the monster we saved them from.
No they’re not. No matter how horrific the actions of their government, never conflate that government with its people. Israelis have been killed horribly by Hamas, that doesn’t mean Palestinians are evil. Neither population deserves this violence.
Edit: yes, the Israeli children herded into a basement and then killed with a grenade deserved it, because Israelis are evil. Here’s a fun game: replace “Israeli” with “Palestinian” in that sentence. I can’t believe you guys aren’t familiar with that one already.
The ones that went and blocked the trucks are pretty evil. Not all Israelis though 👹
You should look up the experiments done by Stanley Milgram. He showed that “Just following orders” is a reasonable defense, by showing that “normal” people will also “just follow orders” more often than not, even absent the threat of any direct or indirect detriment to themselves.
Israel is a very wealthy nation. Most of the people living there have the means to leave, unlike those literally trapped in Gaza.
Israelis choose to live in one of the most contested and controversial places on Earth. Why? Because they think they’re entitled to it. That’s what Zionism is all about.
I have no sympathy for Israelis unless they are doing everything in their power to leave.
What would a few people leaving do? Where would they go, and to what benefit? You realise that to leave, another country would have to grant them a visa, and visas can be denied? What about the ones that don’t have the means to leave? The US is one of the wealthiest countries on earth, do you think everyone here can just up and fuck off to another country as well?
It sounds like you haven’t thought this through.
The United States. Israel is an albatross around its neck. The best solution for all parties involved would be for Israelis to relocate to the US, which has plenty of room to accept them.
No. Why would you think that?
It sounds like you’re arguing with yourself.
I would think that because you said “Israel is a wealthy country” and then proceeded to link that statement to the idea that everyone in Israel should up and leave and if they’re not doing everything they can to leave then they don’t deserve your sympathy for the Hamas attacks.
If you think that the US will just take in ten million refugees sight unseen, I want whatever you’re smoking. You clearly have no idea of the logistics required to put even half of your insane bullshit “solution” into action. I recommend thinking about it more, maybe reading a little.
Sorry, you seem to be the kind of person who thinks only “easy” suggestions are viable ones.
I can’t take people like you seriously because you need more experience with the real world.
Spoken like a child. What’s sad is, we’re on the same side, but you’re happy to alienate anyone for daring to remind you that Israelis are as much victims of their government as Palestinians are, and that your “solutions” aren’t “hard”, they’re entirely nonviable.
Lucky for you, you don’t have to take me seriously at all, I’m going to block you and never interact with you again because I find you unpleasant.
No they aren’t. From the beginning, I pointed out how most Israelis have the power to leave whereas most Palestinians, especially Gazans, do not.
You’re being willfully ignorant and think that by just saying words you’re defeating an argument.
That’s not how the world works, and another reason why you shouldn’t be taken seriously.
so i’m guessing you’re referring just to israeli jews? not israeli druze, bedouin or arabs?
and which jews are you referring to that “choose to live there”? as a lot of israeli jews have been there for some generations by this point. it’s their home (let alone the families who remained since the kingdom of judah).
and that’s some nice propaganda for israel, but unfortunately israel’s poverty rate is among the highest in the developed world. while also being one of the highest cost of living countries.
bibi’s economic policies and transfer of funds to ultra-orthodox organizations and private education institutions has only made things worse for most over the years.
Hey Bibi, get fucked by an army of blue whales. You genocidal asshole.
In no way I’d support Hamas, but that my government still supports Israel is a fucking outrage.
like this?
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Like this.
Hey! There was Hamas in that food!!!
Damnit you got your Hamas in my hummus
Hummus is ISIS
#JustIsraeliThings
Zionists are the new Nazis.
Treat them accordingly.
The flour massacare: According to Bisan who is trapped in Gaza this was (one of the) the first deliveries of Flour to the north of Gaza. since a long while. The IDF used this to massacare Palestinians with.
Death count is not 104 according to Aljazeera with 1000 injured. The IDF shot at 1000 people looking for food. Israel are Nazi’s.
Aerial footage from the IDF (not NSFW) twitter link
Ground footage (dark, tracer rounds can be seen but not graphic): Twitter link
Biden is the person that is making this possible by supplying israel with weapons they use to commit these massacres. Boycott your votes for Biden until he stops this Genocide.
Yup, it’s only Biden, not the overarching position of all US foreign policy and basically every elected official past, present, and almost certainly future, since World War II. And definitely not the fault of Bibi himself.
Plus Biden is God, if he says the word, it stops. Bibi definitely won’t seek other avenues.
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You do realize how ridiculous it sounds that you are going to basically let the guy win who:
Similar events have happened in the past with israel and American president’s have shut them down with one phone call.
In addition to Biden not stopping the Genocide, Biden bypassed Congress to give israel weapons to commit more Genocide.
If Trump wins it will be the fault of the people that supported Biden doing Genocide so much that Biden did not think he needed to stop doing Genocide.
Nope. It will be the fault of people who didn’t vote for the other candidate with full knowledge of how first-past-the-post elections work. You lot want to throw the baby out with the bathwater on this one, and it is knuckle-draggingly stupid. Maybe if Trump had come out and said he would unequivocally cockblock Israel from further action in Gaza, it would be one thing, but there is exactly zero evidence of this, and the rest of the garbage that comes with a Trump presidency is very much a known quantity. Including his stated intentions to end the American experiment as we know it.
Us lot are going to make sure that Biden loses if he continues this Genocide.
If you want to lose the election by telling Biden he can continue to support Genocide that’s your fault.
You can see the polling numbers in Michigan backing up my claim. The faster Biden stops the Genocide the faster he can actual start an election campaign.
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It’s not “letting” if that’s specifically their goal
Fair point. It’s hard to tell in this day and age who is astroturfing and who is simply very seriously misguided.
Agree, but if you look at this dude’s post history they are rabidly obsessed with blaming this on Biden.
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The US is the single biggest supporter of the Israeli genocide. You genuinely believe the president of the United States can do nothing about this? We can’t criticize him so he knows that ending his active support for genocide would make him more electable? It’s disgusting someone in that position of power is doing what he has done and I’m even considering voting for him if changes 1 thing
Trump won’t win, give up. Go fuck some sharks or something
You have to be trolling
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The US is the single biggest supporter of the Israeli genocide. You genuinely believe the president of the United States can do nothing about this? That it’s so incredibly complex that the US president has no sway over these decisions. You’re going to drive me insane, I am going insane. I can’t keep seeing shit like this.
Then go insane, shill.
Who am I shilling for? As far as I’m aware I’m not promoting anyone here. The sources are literally direct links to the UN website. These are not opinion pieces that can be argued. The US did this the US is responsible for its own actions. The president of the United States, head of the executive branch is responsible for their own actions. I’m so confused as to what you think I’m doing here
Are you suggesting that the head of the most powerful military in the world and the individual responsible for US international diplomacy who has the power to organize treaties and appoint ambassadors should not be held accountable for their actions?
Or is it that you think the US has no control over its client state that could hardly survive without its sponsorship? Because if that’s the case there is historical precedent that it does. There have has been more than one occasion where Israeli overstepped far enough that the standing US president has to tell them to cut that shit out and they did. Sure maybe Bibi has turned Israeli into a rogue state, if that’s the case so you really think we could’t stop him? The US has invaded for much less
Let’s presume, for a moment, that you are not being disingenuous. Let’s also presume that Biden simply won’t do the thing you want him to do, which is the most likely scenario. What is your endgame? We know what will happen: Trump will get elected. He will also definitely not do the thing you want. Now you have a president who will further embolden Israel to do as it pleases.
Care to offer an alternate endgame?
“A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or group of people when he or she does not benefit and may even suffer losses.” By this definition, sitting out the vote when you want Israel to stop, thereby allowing an even more pro-Israel president to become elected, is stupid.
edit: It’s been 13 hours and so far, crickets. As I thought would happen.
Looking at your post history, it seems clear you’re trying to make sure trump wins. This is all you do all day long, blame Democrats during election season, for something they aren’t in control of. Knowing that trump winning would be worse on this issue mysteriously having zero effect on your message.
I’m stopping Genocide in the most effective way possible, by tanking public support for it.
It’s not November yet I’m not sure why you are already defending Joe Biden while he is still perfectly able to stop committing Genocide which would stop him from losing votes to people who oppose Genocide.
Or are you hoping he keeps this Genocide going until November?
Yeah you’re certainly stopping genocide alright. Trump has vowed to stop this war, right? Because he totally fucking could anyhow!
Also no one is defending Biden you liar.
What Joe Biden is doing right now is something I would have only expected from Trump. And the defense of it is something I would have only expected from Republicans.
You’re not voting for Joe Biden either while he’s still supporting Genocide right?
I’m voting strictly for Joe Biden without question because I’m not a fraud who wants Trump as a dictator in office.
This in no way condones what ISRAEL is doing because I’m not willing to lie my ass off and act like Trump or anyone else would be any better at all.
Good luck with your lie campaign though.
If the Genocide stops more power to you. Fully agree.
If the Genocide will still be ongoing then you are in fact condoning israel. Empty words mean nothing.
You are handing the reigns to trump who we all know will be way worse.
Thereby making it obvious that you know you’re a liar and don’t give a fuck about any Palestinian. You’re specifically supporting the opposite of what you’re obsessively claiming to want.
Your Lemmy profile is truly fucked. Guessing it’s one of several accounts
Do quote the part the “weird part of my profile”. Is it where I’m copy pasting the same unoriginal But Trump statement only one of us is doing that
~ you.
Yes, Biden is the one doing it. Get it through your head.
Nah you’re right, posting every hour for weeks about Biden being solely responsible for Israel’s actions is a very normal and healthy thing to do, and is not compulsive lying in the least
Biden is solely responsibly for it and can solely stop it. Why are you pretending that’s false?
It’s sad that all your arguments condense to “fake news”.
That’s the thing about “Israel equals Biden”. it’s too stupid to argue with, and contrary to your belief, that’s not a point in your favor.
Israel’s Genocide is not possible without Biden surely you’re not denying that
Of fucking course it is. There probably has never been one genocide in history that the perpetrator gave up because a check didn’t clear. Kind of moronic to expect anyone to believe this lie.
Except the previous three times israel instantly stopped when the US threatened israel they would withold weapons or drop their loan guarantees.
Give it up bro he’s gotta be trolling
I wish, but a lot of these people have just been consuming too much propaganda for a long time and genuinely believe the insanity they are saying.
This guys entire comment history is anti-Biden propaganda. And yet they still think no one is aware of what they’re doing.
Exactly. These turds seem to forget that viewing their profile is a thing
You cannot fathom someone politically left of you
You cannot fathom basic arithmetic
Ah yes, political candidates are incapable of changing their views to better represent the desires of the people. Obviously the logical conclusion of criticizing Biden is that Trump wins and not that he changes his politics to be more electable to a clear majority the US population.
Lmao
It’s been going on before any of us were born, and none of us is directly connected to these events historically, and even those that were have conflicting stories.
Maybe this is all just geopolitical theatre, and we’re all amplifying the propaganda. Puppets who will never meet those who pull the strings.
We can stop the Genocide with a choice for Biden to stop Genocide or lose the election. If he still chooses Genocide then we need to put on an entirely different tinfoil hat.
Trump won’t bend and neither will his base but the Democrats cannot ignore the progressive who will not be complicit in Genocide.
Maybe the people you vote for are some of the main cast. 🤔
Who is this magical candidate who promises to run roughshod over 80+ years of US foreign policy and change the minds of almost every single Congresscritter (and their financial backers)?
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Absolutely fucking nobody, you’re just a GOP shill
You’re the only here helping Trump by telling Biden not to stop Genocide.
Ah yes, a complete non-answer. Gotcha, you’re dismissed.
Also, good job misrepresenting everything I said. When did I tell him not to stop? I’m just telling your idealist college kid brain that he’s simply not going to, whether we like it or not. Nobody is, and nobody realistically can except Bibi. Maybe redirect your efforts where they might actually count, toward Israeli citizens themselves, rather than lashing out where it absolutely will not matter. Assuming you actually give a fuck about Palestinians and are not simply a GOP shill, of course.
You’re the only one misrepresenting anything pretending that Biden can win while enabling Genocide.
That is not going to happen. Pretending it will only delays Biden from doing anything and helps Trump.
Lol, okay. Live in your fantasy world. He can win if people like you stop encouraging apathy. But no US president will ever do what you want. You might get one that further enables Israel, though.
We will stop encouraging apathy when Biden stops committing Genocide.
For both of us let’s hope that happens soon.
Pray tell, how will encouraging apathy accomplish your goals?
By dropping poll numbers so hard the the Biden campaign realizes that they cannot continue ignoring it. This will make them fix it as fast as possible, and then they can actually campaign without having lefties rally against Biden instead of Trump.
Pray tell how do you think ignoring the issue and telling people to just lesser evil it until November will turn out? I believe what you are saying it actually the most apathetic thing possible.
Because all of this noise that you’re adding to isn’t on a cooldown timer. People will carry their beliefs with them to November.
Not voting for Biden is not a vote for Trump. Telling people they shouldn’t vote for someone actively supporting a genocide is not telling them to vote for Trump. If someone does not vote for Biden it is a failing of the Democratic party. A leftist who does not vote for Biden is not effectively giving a vote to Trump because they were never going to vote for either.
The liberal fear of the Republican party and specifically Trump is what allows the Democratic party to move further and further right. The Democratic party will continue to move further and further right until it’s only campaign strategy is that they aren’t as bad as Republicans. It’s already happening
Yes it is, full stop. I’m not having the idiotic argument with you so don’t bother.
No it isn’t, no matter how much you lie about it, the math doesn’t support you in the slightest. A third party vote is equivalent to not voting at all, which is not voting for Trump. Fucking arrogant liar.
Show me your plan to get 51% of the electorate to vote 3rd party and you’d be correct. 51% of the electorate will not vote 3rd party, so you are 100% incorrect. A vote for 3rd party, in reality, is throwing away your vote allowing the candidate who is polling higher a better chance at winning.
“Throwing your vote away” isn’t a vote for Trump, it’s equivalent to not voting at all, which is exactly what I fucking said. I don’t even know what the point of your comment is. Just arguing with me because you’re butthurt that I criticized your boy?
Alright well I won’t vote for Trump instead, that’s basically a vote for Biden
I don’t doubt you’re stupid. But you understand basic arithmetic. There must be a reason you pretend not to… Gee I wonder why
Maybe I’d understand if you explained it to me, how does not voting for Biden become a vote for Trump but not voting for Trump doesn’t become a vote for Biden? If I voted third party would this be a vote for both or against both? Could you write out this arithmetic for me?
Genuinely curious, I don’t understand what you’re trying to to say. I’m not playing stupid
Any single vote lost for Biden allows the Trump voters (who don’t give 2 shits about genocide in Gaza) 1 less vote against their guy, which in turn makes it more likely Trump will win. First Past The Post is a winner take all thing. There’s no 2nd place in politics.
Has Biden considered not supporting genocide then? He’d get a lot more votes that way. Politicians should bend to the will of the people not the other way around.
Besides Biden hasn’t “lost votes”, he just hasn’t done anything to earn them other than not be Trump. I wouldn’t count a vote he never had as a vote that he lost
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Even if Biden does get elected it’s just adding a few more years to the clock
Interesting how even when it’s spelled out you reject the premise and pivot back to your talking points, regardless of how true the original point is
At least I now understand what I’m arguing against. If anything I shows I’m consistant in my beliefs.
You said blank and I said please elaborate on blank and when someone else elaborated for you I said I disagree with that because of blank and then you came back to make a short quip about it bc that’s the only only thing you do
No you claimed you didn’t understand something, then immediately discarded the explanation when it was given.
As I expected, you already understood and you were simply sealioning
I did not immediately change my opinions after hearing someone explain their perspective so I must be disingenuous.
I’m sorry you go through life thinking like this :/
You didn’t bother to attempt to address a good point. But it was obvious you wouldn’t so no surprise
Basically, vote for my guy or your an ebil person. /s
Trump is polling higher than Biden, so no. Abstaining from voting is the same thing as voting for the more popular candidate. You need to learn how your country’s electoral system works.
Bullying people into voting for your candidate is not helping, and potentially could be hurting. Unless, maybe that’s your intention.
Telling people I know they are lying might be helpful.
This guy isn’t a trump supporter and the fact that you’d blatantly lie about it says a lot about how twisted you are. Straight up trump style ad hominem gaslighting tactic.
Instead of engaging critics, you Biden cultists just gang up on and bully anyone who criticizes your shitty candidates.
The more I see comments like yours, the more I think about sitting this one out and watching you evil motherfuckers cry in November. It’s so pathetic how you’d rather attack people than own Biden’s foreign policy decisions. And you act like you’re sooo much better than the GOP while you pull the same exact shitty tactics they use.
You’re actually threatening to watch trump elected with glee so the idea that you care about Palestinians is laughably hollow.
Lmao says some fascist who cares about Palestinians soooo much you won’t even criticize Biden. You’re a fucking coward.
You “care” so much you’ll do everything you can to elect Trump. You’re a fraud and everyone knows it, even you
Boycotting votes for Biden won’t do anything because the US government, regardless of what party is in power, is unanimously pro-Israel. Boycotting voting for Biden accomplishes nothing in the face of united MAGA voters.
Because Trump will be so much better for the Palestinians.
Ahh, just 5 kills short of that 3rd nuke.
r/worldnews just seems to be a constant Hasbara conversation these days.
All voices are pro Israel. which is completely different to anything I have seen in my real life.
Good work Hasbara.
It’s actual unironical bots. Reddit’s main subs are is straight up HasbaraGPT.
r/Worldnewsvideo or r/Palestine are the real stuff.
Beginning of the Iraq war was worse. You couldn’t dissent. At least with this one there is small voice of dissent.
Man it all just makes me so fucking depressed, why are humans such colossal pieces of shit