Bob Vylan Says 'We Are Being Targeted for Speaking Up' After Glastonbury Set Backlash (www.rollingstone.com)
from theacharnian@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 16:30
https://lemmy.ca/post/47196498

“We are not for the death of Jews, Arabs or any other race or group of people. We are for the dismantling of a violent military machine,” the duo said on Instagram. “A machine whose own soldiers were told to use ‘unnecessary lethal force’ against innocent civilians waiting for aid. A machine that has destroyed much of Gaza. We, like those in the spotlight before us, are not the story. We are a distraction from the story. And whatever sanctions we receive will be a distraction.”

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theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 01 Jul 16:40 next collapse

So their US visas got revoked. Meh. Who needs to go to the US anyway, who needs to be interrogated by some fascist chode at the border.

supamanc@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 21:23 collapse

Sadly, they will probably be convicted of some sort of hate speech and sent down.

ogmios@sh.itjust.works on 01 Jul 16:51 next collapse

We are not for the death of Jews, Arabs or any other race or group of people.

He does know people can just read his lyrics, right?

blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Jul 16:55 next collapse

Which songs in particular are you referring to?

brendansimms@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 17:01 next collapse

Yea you should try reading them

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 01 Jul 17:01 next collapse

If you’re referring to the “Death to the IDF” chant, let’s be extremely fucking precise here: the IDF, being an occupying army, under international law is absolutely a legitimate target for violent armed Palestinian resistance. Legitimate target of violent armed resistance. Period.

And Bob Vylan are not calling for the destruction of an ethnicity, a religion, a nation. They are calling for the destruction of a genocidal army. Just like the South African Defence Forces of the South African Apartheid era absolutely deserved to be destroyed as a criminal organization, so do the Israeli Defence Forces of the Israeli Apartheid era.

Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world on 02 Jul 12:38 collapse

It’s clear you cannot.

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 17:03 next collapse

There is no backlash. It’s manufactured outrage by Zionists and their puppets in media and politics.

EndlessApollo@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 17:14 next collapse

That’s probably true of most things people think/say about the IDF at this point. Even my massively zionist “most moral military” aunt is calling it a genocide and is starting to oppose them

TheRealKuni@lemmy.world on 02 Jul 13:03 collapse

I wish my parents paid as much attention as your aunt. The other day they gave me the very good news that all the articles I send them about the genocide are made up! The BBC had to rescind their articles because the sources aren’t trustworthy, they told me. So no genocide at all!

😐

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theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 01 Jul 18:04 collapse

The only thing nazis were right about was when Hitler bit the barrel of his gun. Fuck nazis. Our Jewish brothers and sisters out here in the diaspora are not to blame for what the Israeli fascist regime is doing.

timewarp@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 18:51 next collapse

I think recent polls suggested it was about 50/50 that support what Israel is doing. It was around 80% at the beginning of the war, so many have come a long way. Honestly, sort of similar to the American support of the Iraq War.

BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 19:24 next collapse

Exactly. Genocide was wrong then and it’s wrong now. It should not even be a question that we all condemn Hitler and his genocidal Nazi regime - just as it should not be a question that we condemn Israel and its genocidal Nazi regime.

The Holocaust of the Jews was a horrific, unforgivable crime. So too is the Holocaust of the Palestinians. This is non-negotiable for any person of conscience.

Buske@lemmy.world on 02 Jul 12:58 collapse

These rich fucks have corrupted it, They are using the jewish state and name, to what? To make a fucking private beach town.

some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org on 01 Jul 19:03 collapse

I’m certainly in favor of seeing the IDF in prison. Bring on more chants.

leftthegroup@lemmings.world on 01 Jul 21:21 collapse

No, the change is right. They need to die.

dubyakay@lemmy.ca on 02 Jul 05:45 collapse

As in the organization needs to die. Which would quickly bring about the death of Zionist Israel as well, most likely.

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 01 Jul 17:20 next collapse

Very well said. This guy needs a new label with some balls. Show them that this guy is bankable by a wider disgruntled public than by a few at the top who are playing theatrical chess.

Here’s the merchandise site: bobvylan.myshopify.com

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 01 Jul 17:32 next collapse

Lol, everything is sold out.

PaulBunyan@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 17:46 next collapse

Not true, there is music still available.

Saleh@feddit.org on 01 Jul 19:41 collapse

The “Burn Britannia Sauce” is still available.

Also funny how, like with kneecap, the Zionist ghouls act all surprised, when artists use the same expressions they use normally, when they state their opposition to genocide.

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DJDarren@sopuli.xyz on 01 Jul 21:44 collapse

So far as I’m aware, their label hasn’t dropped them. Their agents have, but fuck agents. Someone with some stones will snap 'em up in a heartbeat.

Jimmycakes@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 17:25 next collapse

Bob vylan doesn’t have to say it. The trump administration said it to the world they would do this

BroBot9000@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 18:02 next collapse

The IDF are Nazis and committing genocide daily.

People chanting: “Death, death to the IDF!!” Is the bare minimum repercussion that’s to be expected. More people should join in!

Anyone defending or censoring for the IDF if a fucking goose stepping fascist.

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theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 01 Jul 18:10 collapse

Let’s be precise here: the IDF, being an occupying army, under international law is absolutely a legitimate target for violent armed Palestinian resistance. Legitimate target of violent armed resistance. Period.

Bob Vylan are not calling for the destruction of an ethnicity, a religion, a nation. They are calling for the destruction of a genocidal army. Just like the South African Defence Forces of the South African Apartheid era absolutely deserved to be destroyed as a criminal organization, so do the Israeli Defence Forces of the Israeli Apartheid era.

Conscription was also mandatory in Apartheid South Africa for whites. This does not absolve the whites who participated in Apartheid. Jewish history itself teaches us that “following orders” is not an excuse for carrying out a genocide. It is clear in fact, that the mandatory nature of the conscription is a mechanism for making all Israelis complicit, and should be a target for abolition by Israelis of conscience themselves, again, just like in Apartheid South Africa. And of course, it fucking is.

Death to apartheid and death to its institutions. Never again this shit, for anyone, anywhere.

dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de on 01 Jul 19:11 next collapse

You know I’d never heard of these guys until the outrage and I’ve been listening all day and I’m quite a fan.

Also, if you shouted death to Hitler in the ‘40s would you be getting this backlash too.

Saleh@feddit.org on 01 Jul 19:38 next collapse

Also, if you shouted death to Hitler in the ‘40s would you be getting this backlash too.

Among the Axis countries yes.

neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works on 01 Jul 19:52 collapse

Even among the allied countries, yes.

There was still a lot of people who were afraid of offending Hitler/Germany at the time.

Danquebec@sh.itjust.works on 02 Jul 00:07 collapse

While at war with them?

SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one on 02 Jul 06:04 collapse

There were plenty of Americans who felt he had the right idea.

wewbull@feddit.uk on 01 Jul 21:27 next collapse

It’s more interesting to ask if " Death to Hitler" would have got you this reaction in the 30s. By the 40s we were at war with him and his followers. In the 30s he was in power, but there were still diplomatic relations.

HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 Jul 22:15 collapse

Haha, no. You underestimate the power antisemitism has always had in the US

NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone on 01 Jul 22:58 next collapse

Jack Kirby was threatened for drawing Captain America punching Hitler. The difference back then was the mayor of NYC pot a protection detail on the Marvel offices instead of coming out to bat for Hitler.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 02 Jul 12:03 collapse

Charlie Chaplin released The Great Dictator in 1939, and while Hitler banned the film in Nazi-controlled countries, he allegedly watched it more than once after Chaplin personally arranged to have a copy sent to him (the balls on that guy).

Maybe not “death to Hitler,” but it’s fucking scathing, and the final speech would be considered extreme if it was released today.

Fantastic film if anyone hasn’t seen it. Hysterical, on point satire.

ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Jul 20:30 next collapse

Could someone with better search skills or knowledge of their discography link to their music for me? I’ve heard it’s good but I legitimately can’t find anything but news videos when I go looking (I don’t use any music handler platforms)

ecks0fa@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 20:41 next collapse

www.discogs.com/artist/7758817-Bob-Vylan-2

ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Jul 20:49 collapse

Thanks!

DJDarren@sopuli.xyz on 01 Jul 21:38 collapse

Start with their second album, We Live Here. It’s got some incredible, visceral punk on it. The Price of Life, and Humble As the Sun are top notch, but a touch more polished.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com on 02 Jul 01:00 next collapse

As someone in another post commented: Streisand effect. I never heard of these guys until now.

The genocide apologists are going to have a lot of egg on their face. They just keep digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole. History is written by the victors, but the younger generations have the last word. And history will not be kind.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 02 Jul 07:03 collapse

its great PR/good press for said artist.

rumimevlevi@lemmings.world on 02 Jul 12:46 collapse

Dropped from the label, they removed their visas in the usa so a ct on their revenus and could face “justice”

It is a good pr for the palestinian cause not the artist

Ilixtze@lemmy.ml on 02 Jul 07:37 next collapse

We will never forget the perpetrators of these crimes. And we will never forget the people that tried to sweep this genocide under the rug. Palestinians have the right to defend themselves. It’s not a terrorist act to fight against brutal settlers and colonizers.

IndustryStandard@lemmy.world on 02 Jul 12:56 collapse

A punk band is not real because they say they are real. A punk band is real when they speak truth to power. Big ups to Bob Vylan for putting their mouth where their money is.