The Chinese government bans all new investment in Israel
(www.ynetnews.com)
from FenrirIII@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 03:31
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from FenrirIII@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 03:31
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cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/58368644
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Wow I rarely say this about Chinese government but based.
The literal hellscape on earth North Korea is right next door, they just recently got done executing citizens for watching a TV show
There’s obviously more to this
When they finished executing all those people who watched the show, they executed the people who caught them, for having seen the show too. Then they executed the judges for knowing what a TV show was. Then they executed me for posting about it. (I got better)
What?
Do you really believe North Korea executes people for watching TV?
Yup and it’s not the only country that does.
Do all the countries you believe ridiculous things about happen to be enemies of the US that you’ve never been to?
I was going to add “or met someone from”, but you could probably find a Cuban in Miami who’d say Castro executed their entire family for watching tv.
You’re a dumbass. North Korea"s treatment of human life is well documented Internationally.
Eh, I heard the same thing about China, then I went there, and I heard the same thing about Iran, but everyone I talked to who’s actually been there had much more level-headed criticisms of the government than the horseshit the news makes up.
Its unlikely that NK is a nice place to live, but 98% of the stuff we hear is obviously fake or wildly taken out of context.
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Getting out of the country must be so insanely difficult because it’s so good there right! Who would want to escape such a paradise?
Sure, was this after they required everyone in North Korea get Dear Leader’s haircut, while also executing anybody who got his haircut?
Western news sources are not reliable when covering America’s enemies. I will develop an opinion when I talk to people who’ve traveled there, and aren’t in danger of being thrown in prison/executed if they don’t promote the state department line.
Travel to North Korea is tightly controlled by the North Korean government, you are NOT allowed to go out of the allowed areas and while you are there you are monitored at all times by the North Korean government.
So from this I assume you will remain ignorant forever?
For Americans maybe, that’s why I’ll talk to Chinese who aren’t such a risk when I return to China. I met a Russian who had the same shock upon seeing she was lied to about China and wanted to go to NK, I wouldn’t be surprised if Russians can travel somewhat freely in NK either.
I have no idea why you’re so interested in making North Korea seem like a great place
I have no idea why you’d believe random Chinese who probably believes the propaganda from the Chinese government even harder than you do
By the way no comment from you on the fact that North Koreans have to escape to tell their stories? That their country is a prison?
You really are knee deep in it eh?
Last post from me, you should definitely move to China since you love it so much :)
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You understand the difference here right? Not immediately dropping your pants and jerking off while grunting about how bad and evil America’s enemies are isn’t the same as withholding judgement on something you don’t have reliable data on.
I’ve never heard from a North Korean in a country where they don’t risk prison if they don’t tell the right story, but presumably there are North Koreans telling their stories in North Korea, Jilin, and Vladivostok, that we haven’t heard.
Eh, I wouldn’t want to tie myself to a single place.
I have a russian coworker that goes back every year to visit her family. She too insists that russia is awesome and it’s even better since the war started. Do I believe her over all the other Russians/Ukrainians/Moldavians I’ve met? Hell no. Propaganda is a helluva drug. I’m sure all those places aren’t as bad as American media makes them out to be, don’t get me wrong, but they’re not as peachy as their side says either.
Bizarre. I don’t know any Russians who haven’t commented on the increased propaganda and how expensive everything’s gotten. Apparently there’s more diverse brands in stores now tho lol. Do they at least mention how expensive everything is?
That’s literally my only point here. There’s people who think NK is full of mustache-twirling villains who execute you if you watch a TV show.
Nah, mostly she just complains about pretty normal stuff that’s unrelated to that. She’ll be back next week, this time she stayed a bit longer than usual, might’ve felt less like a tourist this time so might have actual complaints. But I doubt it. She’s what the Russians would call a vatnik, I think… despite living outside Russia for over 30 years now.
Highly doubtful. Just read first-hand accounts from the many people that have escaped the country. It is a pretty bleak place to exist. If they literally make it illegal for their citizens to have real Internet, chances are your oppressor is doing some pretty awful things. It’s why the current American fascist regime has “humored” restricting Internet access. Same reason Iran cut off Internet access during their recent unrest where the government killed thousands of civilian protestors.
Those accounts aren’t credible because at any time they can called a spy and imprison. Also because they include laughable claims like that there is only 1 train in North Korea, which they have to pull by hand and “In North Korea, every room has to have a portrait of the Kims. The inspector comes out of nowhere in the middle of the night and touches the portraits. If they see any dust… you can get executed.”
The same person making those claims also says their friends entire family was executed in a stadium for watching TV.
Alternatively, they’re just trying to avoid the US using the internet to feed their citizens propaganda and organize a color revolution, as they constantly do to all of there adversaries.
I continue to have no judgement on what NK is like because again, no reliable data.
It’s important to note that most North Koreans escape to South Korea, where it is illegal to say anything positive about North Korea, and from where they cannot leave for some number of years. So I would completely trust such accounts.
Also reports about North Korea often contradict other reports about North Korea. It’s a mess of truth, exaggeration, rumours, stuff somebody made up, and in one case a satirical news article from Japan or China that Western media took at face value.
So is their necromancy, since tons of people declared “executed” by tabloids are later seen alive.
Good policy for bad (or at least not principled) reasons. It’s for money. They consider Israel “high risk” because of the war. China doesn’t give a shit about human rights. They send their own Muslims to concentration camps.
True. It’s a state. I can’t think of a time a state did something for purely altruistic reasons.
Could have sworn I saw an article about them curing diabetes the other day:
cells4life.com/…/stem-cell-treatment-cures-type-1…
And I also saw an American tourist use their healthcare system:
www.instagram.com/reel/DUX_RaeEQws/
Sooooooo
Historically the US funded a lot of important medical research. Do you think they did this for altruistic reasons?
Similarly, healthcare is beneficial to the state to keep workers healthy.
States do many things, good and bad, but none just out of the goodness of their hearts.
It’s also to say they have principles. It’s hard for the USA or Europe to criticize their human rights abuses while continuing to support Israel. It’s a way to highlight western hypocrisy while avoiding risk. Remember they still invest into other high risk countries. High risk can lead to high reward.
I find it easy to criticize both where warranted
Yes, and we should continue to do so. However, lets not pretend that immoral actions by America and Europe don’t undermined their position.
Also, the current tensions in the region threatens China’s supply of cheap oil from Iran.
… huh.
man.
hate to state what some might consider obvious, but this is actually a novel thought for a critter like me–something that has been raised entirely immersed in bullshit propaganda for its entire life…
but uh, wow, a lot of the propaganda I’ve had shoveled down my gullet all along has just been straight up false, hasn’t it.
China was never the ‘bad guy’…
They are literally upstaging the united states in every way. Quite possibly they have been for a long time and I’m only just now capable of seeing it since the illusion of civil rights and humane decency has gone up in smoke here in the US what with the government’s quiet repressive acts now becoming VERY VERY LOUD. >.<
If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren’t making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.
…
I would’ve been sarcastic about that in the past but now I am honestly and truthfully of an open mind here for possibly the first time in my life. I had believed my mind was open in the past but there are some presuppositions that have just … suddenly stopped holding water.
If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I’m still gathering information, though.
Damn. I remember a time when I actually believed that ‘social credit system’ horseshit. Now I know that there was only ever ONE municipality that tried to do with it what the anti-china propaganda implied and they were punished for it by the national government because it was a stupid thing to do, and that otherwise ‘social credit’ was only ever proposed as an accountability system for public officials, not for personal individuals just living their every day lives.
Kinda expecting people will come out of the woodwork on here to dunk on me for my ignorance, though, one way or another ._.
You remember tank man? Can you give me any reason to think they wouldn’t do the same today?
one data point: there was big protests near the end of COVID-19, they chose to lift the lockdown instead of doing a 1989. i don’t know how many were arrested or what happened to them, though.
Tank man? The guy who blocked the column of tanks leaving Tienanmen Square, then climbed on top of the tank to yell at the tank commander?
IDK, the tank commanders are probably trained to hide in the tank if someone climbs on top. It’d probably look goofier as the guy runs around the top trying to get in while the commander asks him to leave.
Comrade please report to local police station for questioning
There was NO column of Type 59 tanks on Chang’an Avenue near Tiananmen Square in Beijing on June 5, 1989.
You are trying to disrupt the peace and will face appropriate punishment 😡
Shit, I’m back in Tokyo now, would you direct me to the closest secret Chinese police station?
So, because the US is regrettably inching toward authoritarianism, the fully authoritarian state was the better one all along?
Is it because of innumeracy that people seem to have such a hard time grasping the magnitude of evil?
In which of these countries do the police shoot / choke random people in broad daylight? In which of them is slavery still legal?
China is far from perfect but why would you compare it to like the second worst country in the world?
Try being Muslim and keeping your organs in China.
China isn’t Israel.
Nah they’re all the “bad guy” in different ways. I guarantee this is not some altruistic act. There is a political and economic reason.
Did you read the article? It’s about money and risk because of the war. It isn’t some altruistic thing because they care about people’s lives.
I mean it’s not like they WOULD say “We are morally opposed to israel” because actually saying that out loud in an international environment would’ve created a shit ton of drama. Meanwhile, saying “it’s because of your war” is kinda passive aggressively rubbing it in that attacking palestine was a bad move.
…
hm.
In light of your comment, though, I’m willing to accept that I was probably just projecting >.> it’s WAAAAAY more likely I was just indulging wishful thinking and not-so-subconsciously presuming the morality of others based on their actions rather than their words and that’s not actually smart of me like, at all. So… thank you for the second opinion. You have in fact helped me perceive more much-needed nuance here.
I will argue this to libs all day long, but with actual leftists, there’s a lot of “critical” when it comes to critically supporting China, especially if you’re looking at historical foreign policy after the sino-soviet split.
Better in every metric? Try being Chinese and criticizing the government online, and see what happens to you. That’s a pretty scary metric.
…hmmm
Err……
….gee
Yeah, guys…… I’m starting to think…… China might not be so great
Well, the US has also begun sending federal agents to “visit” people who have said disparaging things about the regime lately >.>
China did NOT become any better than it had been… it’s just that the united states has gotten worse.
relatively speaking: in any of the ways in which the united states can still be said to be better than china, it is less better today than it had been a few years ago, and its trajectory at this time is presently accelerating in a direction that will not be a good time for most of the people living here.
but alright. i’ll take your word for it that all the instances we see of people being terrorized by the chinese government is NOT just manufactured anti-china propaganda. I’ll continue taking it, even if with more grains of salt than i used to…
Yeah, I’m not buying the “gee, guys, I used to believe the AmeriKKKa propaganda, but this really makes me think” act. It must work better on the morons in the tankie communities.
The US is fucked right now, but at least there is hope in a democracy, while it lasts. If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over. It makes me sad to think that, with modern surveillance technology, there is probably no way for them to dig themselves out of it at this point.
What evidence would convince you that this has happened?
I ask because we seem to have blown far past China in every form of human rights violation that China would have to work hard to become as much of a totalitarian dystopia.
I’ve been to China. I’ve watched porn without a VPN and no one cared. From my experience, the tales of Chinese dystopia are more than a little exaggerated.
You watched porn in China without a VPN, so the US has blown way past China for human rights violations?
The ability to criticize your own government publicly is paramount. Without that, you better hope you are ok with everything the government is doing, because there is no mechanism to change it.
OK. How are you measuring the ability to criticize your own government? Is there any metric, besides gut intuition, about criticisms you can make here that you can’t make there?
It’s not just vibes. The censorship in China is unparalleled. Try being Chinese and going on their equivalent of YouTube or Twitter and posting simply “I don’t like Xi JinPing’s policies. I think we need a new leader.” Your posts will be removed, and if you keep it up, you will be imprisoned.
Also, they’re not a democracy. They don’t get to choose or change who is in power. There is basically no mechanism for pushing back against anything the government does in China.
In the US, we’re getting a little taste of that kind of unaccountability with ICE, and there is outrage, which is still legal to express. Hopefully, the whole top of our government will change hands in a couple years. I’m thankful I live somewhere that is possible.
So you do have evidence. Excellent. Can we see it?
Flawed argument:
Should I read your evasive answer as an indiction that you’re opinions are based on something other than evidence?
Amerikkka and China are both bad
This comment was made by European Union gang
Do yourself a favor and stop thinking of the world as black and white good guys bad guys. You’re not in a Hollywood movie.
You as a powerless citizen have way more in common with other powerless citizens in every single country than you do with you government, and your government have way more in common with any other government than they do with you. You’re just a human, not a Chinese human or a Norwegian human or a South African human or an American human. Those are just constructs that change over time.
Welcome to the land of critical thinking. Whether your take on China is objectively, or provably right or wrong, your take on the US is not generating any argument and that says a lot in itself.
There’s still a lot of room in critical thinking land (thanks to social media and propaganda) so make yourself comfortable, pull up a chair and enjoy making your own decisions about things.
I’m glad you put all the mental gymnastics in a single post and were can’t ignore ask follow up nonsense
i’m glad you shoved all these words in my mouth because now i know better than to bother with your opinion. blocked.
Lol it’s funny seeing you guys operate outside of hexbear. You can’t ban anyone who pushes back because you don’t control the community, but you still have to let them know you punished them somehow.
Being fried in a pan, the fire is starting to look comfortable?
Why is China purging their generals?
So here’s the thing: I’m reading all these anti-ICE news articles from within the US, but I go on baidu and qq news and can’t find a thing criticizing Xi Jinping… hmmm… weird right? Why is that you think?
As an Naturalized American citizen born in China, I’d say if you are white and have birthright citizenship, you are, on average, in a better position than an average Han Chinese born in China. Maybe this would change in the future, but I’d still say for the time being, US is still better, at least if you are white.
There are edge scenarios where an Han Chinese could potentially have a better life in China, but that’s not the case for my family. I lived in a shitty part of Guangzhou that tourists don’t get to see, just like tourists visiting the US don’t typically go to Flint Michigan, or Kensington, Philadelphia, PA
Also FUCKING HUKOU I was BORN IN GUANGZHOU and they never give me Guangzhou Hukou status… so my family are just treated as second class residents. Me and my brother were not allowed in Guangzhou Public schools. Our Hukou was inherited from parents, and they are from Taishan, its rural. So my parents ended up paying for privately-run schools that are lower quality of education in Guangzhou cuz otherwise we’d be left behind in the village and that would’ve been even more depressing.
And my parents had to be either busy working all day, or be looking for work the entire day. Didn’t see them often, sometimes grandma wasn’t even available to look over us and mom took me to work.
And don’t get me started on the One Child Policy that NEARLY resulted in me being forcibly aborted by the CCP against my mother’s wishes. Fuck them. They sterilized my mother for the policy violation.
They’re just reading the room. They’re not doing it because they think israel is bad, they’re doing it because it’s economically disastrous to do so. Within the next 5 years the US will be in the same position if it keeps going the way it is. We’ll be too “high risk.”
Why is China the only country reading the room?
Others don’t want to be antisemitic /s (probably they still get a ton of money out of it)
blackmail
China’s the only country Israel can’t blackmail?
I disagree. The epstein files prove how captured the entire american political apparatus is by pissrael. In fact, pissrael has done so, to most Global North countries. China taking this stance is actually pretty big when you consider that and the geopolitical implications of declaring their opposition to the American empire.
The more I learn about China, the more I like. Mostly.
Fucking China showing how it’s fucking done! Way to go!
Sorry, Double post.
This is not a moral standing, the basis is that Israel is deemed too risky.
Yeah you’re probably right about that.
I mean… Tibet, Uighurs, etc
This is not a moral standing by China, it’s 100% pragmatic deeming Israel a high risk area.
There is no reason to call China “based” or any other such crazy comments we see here.
true
Why isn’t any other country making this pragmatic choice?
They don’t care? They don’t have a right over private investments?
A lot of countries have stopped at least some of their dealings with Israel, especially weapons export and import.
Mind you we don’t have an official source that this is true for China, only 1 company that wants to get out of a deal in Israel.
As far as I can tell it’s not “especially” weapons export, it’s exclusively weapons export. European arms embargoes are good, but China seems to have gone farther here and stands alone in willing to do a larger general ban. According to the article it’s not just one company, China has declared that Israel is a “red zone” for investors and have prohibited any investment. Though, sure, this might actually just be something being made up for the lawsuit.
The pragmatic choice would be to continue investing in Israel, which is why everyone else still does it.
When our actions align, then take it
Wait, this broken clock has the right time on it
Cool story bro
It is
A simple case of killing 2 birds with 1 stone: An economically sane decision can be presented as being ethical to generate good publicity with saps all around the world. Particularly effective now that the USA is in such a bad place that people like to sing China’s praises instead.
This is an objectively good thing.
why can they just sue someone for refusing to buy something
especially when buying it would be illegal
From the article:
As part of the agreements, the Chinese fund granted the remaining minority shareholders an option to require it to purchase their remaining shares for about $9.5 million, now valued at roughly $11 million, by early December 2025.
Legality in country A is completely irrelevant for suing someone in country B.
Also, in many countries having a realistic chance of winning the case is not a prerequisite to suing anyone for anything.
Wow, I do have to admit that China is on a roll these days.
Then again, it ain’t hard acting like a nice guy with trump around.
They are absolutely going to pull ahead on the world stage, whatever that really means.
But if you have lived in America all your life and been told how we’re the gleaming city on the mountain, the land of milk-and-honey and all that pabulum we’ve been fed for decades and decades, and then walk around in one of China’s newer cities you will have a radical culture shock. Then have a medical problem and walk into one of their hospitals.
Fuck, just walk into a public restroom or use their mass transit and you will wonder where the fuck your tax money is going.
Their space program alone gets zero coverage in the US and has done amazing things that will guarantee them the solar system in just a few decades.
Not saying they’re some kind of perfect nation, their human rights issues, their abuse of their workers, their racism and xenophobia are still huge and glaring, but it’s going to be a lot worse in the US before long.
China cares about Palestinians as much as the US cares about Ukrainians… not much
Don’t pretend like they’re good guys. Empires don’t care about the lives of people, its just a statistic to them.
So the government running concentration camps bans trading with the one commuting genocide. I see…
You have to be more specific.