The Chinese government bans all new investment in Israel (www.ynetnews.com)
from FenrirIII@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 03:31
https://lemmy.world/post/42790107

cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/58368644

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LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net on 07 Feb 2026 03:50 next collapse

Wow I rarely say this about Chinese government but based.

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone on 07 Feb 2026 03:58 next collapse

The literal hellscape on earth North Korea is right next door, they just recently got done executing citizens for watching a TV show

There’s obviously more to this

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 04:03 next collapse

When they finished executing all those people who watched the show, they executed the people who caught them, for having seen the show too. Then they executed the judges for knowing what a TV show was. Then they executed me for posting about it. (I got better)

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone on 07 Feb 2026 04:07 collapse

What?

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 04:17 collapse

Do you really believe North Korea executes people for watching TV?

dugmeup@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 04:22 collapse

Yup and it’s not the only country that does.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 04:24 collapse

Do all the countries you believe ridiculous things about happen to be enemies of the US that you’ve never been to?

I was going to add “or met someone from”, but you could probably find a Cuban in Miami who’d say Castro executed their entire family for watching tv.

bassomitron@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 04:34 collapse

You’re a dumbass. North Korea"s treatment of human life is well documented Internationally.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 04:41 next collapse

Eh, I heard the same thing about China, then I went there, and I heard the same thing about Iran, but everyone I talked to who’s actually been there had much more level-headed criticisms of the government than the horseshit the news makes up.

Its unlikely that NK is a nice place to live, but 98% of the stuff we hear is obviously fake or wildly taken out of context.

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone on 07 Feb 2026 05:10 next collapse

Covid-19 border closures have made escapes extremely rare since 2020.

…org.uk/…/north-korea-teenagers-executed-for-watc…

Getting out of the country must be so insanely difficult because it’s so good there right! Who would want to escape such a paradise?

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 05:26 collapse

Sure, was this after they required everyone in North Korea get Dear Leader’s haircut, while also executing anybody who got his haircut?

Western news sources are not reliable when covering America’s enemies. I will develop an opinion when I talk to people who’ve traveled there, and aren’t in danger of being thrown in prison/executed if they don’t promote the state department line.

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone on 07 Feb 2026 05:41 collapse

I will develop an opinion when I talk to people who’ve traveled there, and aren’t in danger of being thrown in prison/executed if they don’t promote the state department line.

Travel to North Korea is tightly controlled by the North Korean government, you are NOT allowed to go out of the allowed areas and while you are there you are monitored at all times by the North Korean government.

So from this I assume you will remain ignorant forever?

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 07:09 collapse

Travel to North Korea is tightly controlled by the North Korean government, you are NOT allowed to go out of the allowed areas and while you are there you are monitored at all times by the North Korean government.

For Americans maybe, that’s why I’ll talk to Chinese who aren’t such a risk when I return to China. I met a Russian who had the same shock upon seeing she was lied to about China and wanted to go to NK, I wouldn’t be surprised if Russians can travel somewhat freely in NK either.

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone on 07 Feb 2026 07:51 next collapse

For Americans maybe

I have no idea why you’re so interested in making North Korea seem like a great place

that’s why I’ll talk to Chinese who aren’t such a risk when I return to China

I have no idea why you’d believe random Chinese who probably believes the propaganda from the Chinese government even harder than you do

By the way no comment from you on the fact that North Koreans have to escape to tell their stories? That their country is a prison?

I met a Russian

You really are knee deep in it eh?

Last post from me, you should definitely move to China since you love it so much :)

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Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 08:03 collapse

I have no judgement because I have no reliable data

I have no idea why you’re so interested in making North Korea seem like a great place

You understand the difference here right? Not immediately dropping your pants and jerking off while grunting about how bad and evil America’s enemies are isn’t the same as withholding judgement on something you don’t have reliable data on.

North Koreans have to escape to tell their stories

I’ve never heard from a North Korean in a country where they don’t risk prison if they don’t tell the right story, but presumably there are North Koreans telling their stories in North Korea, Jilin, and Vladivostok, that we haven’t heard.

you should definitely move to China since you love it so much :)

Eh, I wouldn’t want to tie myself to a single place.

nyctre@piefed.social on 07 Feb 2026 08:36 collapse

I have a russian coworker that goes back every year to visit her family. She too insists that russia is awesome and it’s even better since the war started. Do I believe her over all the other Russians/Ukrainians/Moldavians I’ve met? Hell no. Propaganda is a helluva drug. I’m sure all those places aren’t as bad as American media makes them out to be, don’t get me wrong, but they’re not as peachy as their side says either.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 08:51 collapse

I have a russian coworker that goes back every year to visit her family. She too insists that russia is awesome and it’s even better since the war started

Bizarre. I don’t know any Russians who haven’t commented on the increased propaganda and how expensive everything’s gotten. Apparently there’s more diverse brands in stores now tho lol. Do they at least mention how expensive everything is?

I’m sure all those places aren’t as bad as American media makes them out to be, but they’re not as peachy as their side says either.

That’s literally my only point here. There’s people who think NK is full of mustache-twirling villains who execute you if you watch a TV show.

nyctre@piefed.social on 07 Feb 2026 09:34 collapse

Nah, mostly she just complains about pretty normal stuff that’s unrelated to that. She’ll be back next week, this time she stayed a bit longer than usual, might’ve felt less like a tourist this time so might have actual complaints. But I doubt it. She’s what the Russians would call a vatnik, I think… despite living outside Russia for over 30 years now.

bassomitron@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 05:51 collapse

Highly doubtful. Just read first-hand accounts from the many people that have escaped the country. It is a pretty bleak place to exist. If they literally make it illegal for their citizens to have real Internet, chances are your oppressor is doing some pretty awful things. It’s why the current American fascist regime has “humored” restricting Internet access. Same reason Iran cut off Internet access during their recent unrest where the government killed thousands of civilian protestors.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 07:19 next collapse

Just read first-hand accounts from the many people that have escaped the country

Those accounts aren’t credible because at any time they can called a spy and imprison. Also because they include laughable claims like that there is only 1 train in North Korea, which they have to pull by hand and “In North Korea, every room has to have a portrait of the Kims. The inspector comes out of nowhere in the middle of the night and touches the portraits. If they see any dust… you can get executed.”

The same person making those claims also says their friends entire family was executed in a stadium for watching TV.

If they literally make it illegal for their citizens to have real Internet

Alternatively, they’re just trying to avoid the US using the internet to feed their citizens propaganda and organize a color revolution, as they constantly do to all of there adversaries.

I continue to have no judgement on what NK is like because again, no reliable data.

emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works on 07 Feb 2026 11:05 collapse

Just read first-hand accounts from the many people that have escaped the country.

It’s important to note that most North Koreans escape to South Korea, where it is illegal to say anything positive about North Korea, and from where they cannot leave for some number of years. So I would completely trust such accounts.

Also reports about North Korea often contradict other reports about North Korea. It’s a mess of truth, exaggeration, rumours, stuff somebody made up, and in one case a satirical news article from Japan or China that Western media took at face value.

queermunist@lemmy.ml on 07 Feb 2026 06:59 collapse

So is their necromancy, since tons of people declared “executed” by tabloids are later seen alive.

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bdonvr@thelemmy.club on 08 Feb 2026 10:58 collapse

Source on that?

monkeyjoe@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2026 15:55 collapse

No sources given, just more casual propaganda. Shame @Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz was downvoted for not giving into such bullshit.

starik@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 04:07 collapse

Good policy for bad (or at least not principled) reasons. It’s for money. They consider Israel “high risk” because of the war. China doesn’t give a shit about human rights. They send their own Muslims to concentration camps.

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net on 07 Feb 2026 05:14 next collapse

True. It’s a state. I can’t think of a time a state did something for purely altruistic reasons.

agingelderly@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 17:56 collapse

Could have sworn I saw an article about them curing diabetes the other day:

cells4life.com/…/stem-cell-treatment-cures-type-1…

And I also saw an American tourist use their healthcare system:

www.instagram.com/reel/DUX_RaeEQws/

Sooooooo

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net on 07 Feb 2026 18:02 collapse

Historically the US funded a lot of important medical research. Do you think they did this for altruistic reasons?

Similarly, healthcare is beneficial to the state to keep workers healthy.

States do many things, good and bad, but none just out of the goodness of their hearts.

hitmyspot@aussie.zone on 07 Feb 2026 06:37 next collapse

It’s also to say they have principles. It’s hard for the USA or Europe to criticize their human rights abuses while continuing to support Israel. It’s a way to highlight western hypocrisy while avoiding risk. Remember they still invest into other high risk countries. High risk can lead to high reward.

starik@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 07:56 collapse

I find it easy to criticize both where warranted

hitmyspot@aussie.zone on 07 Feb 2026 13:49 collapse

Yes, and we should continue to do so. However, lets not pretend that immoral actions by America and Europe don’t undermined their position.

chellomere@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 08:18 collapse

Also, the current tensions in the region threatens China’s supply of cheap oil from Iran.

Draegur@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 04:32 next collapse

Edit:

The discussion here has managed to sway me, especially when someone wrote this:

Being fried in a pan, the fire is starting to look comfortable?

That’s exactly what the delusion was. From a blend of hallucinating the content of another metaphor (the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence), for a little while there I actually did wonder if the dry flames would’ve been less agonizing than being entirely submerged in this boiling oil. But it’s not better. Plainly.

Furthermore I don’t need to believe US propaganda in order to be cognizant of China’s administrative and governmental shortfalls. Even if I didn’t have any information telling me how “bad” China is, why would I trust any of the propaganda about how “good” it is? I don’t have reliable information to build a conclusion upon either way.

But at this stage I’m no longer reflexively and mindlessly defaulting to “CHINA BAD”.

even though people get real mad at me for questioning my indoctrination, i think questioning it has been a largely constructive experience.

original post follows:


… huh.

man.

hate to state what some might consider obvious, but this is actually a novel thought for a critter like me–something that has been raised entirely immersed in bullshit propaganda for its entire life…

but uh, wow, a lot of the propaganda I’ve had shoveled down my gullet all along has just been straight up false, hasn’t it.

China was never the ‘bad guy’…

They are literally upstaging the united states in every way. Quite possibly they have been for a long time and I’m only just now capable of seeing it since the illusion of civil rights and humane decency has gone up in smoke here in the US what with the government’s quiet repressive acts now becoming VERY VERY LOUD. >.<

If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren’t making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.

I would’ve been sarcastic about that in the past but now I am honestly and truthfully of an open mind here for possibly the first time in my life. I had believed my mind was open in the past but there are some presuppositions that have just … suddenly stopped holding water.

If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I’m still gathering information, though.

Damn. I remember a time when I actually believed that ‘social credit system’ horseshit. Now I know that there was only ever ONE municipality that tried to do with it what the anti-china propaganda implied and they were punished for it by the national government because it was a stupid thing to do, and that otherwise ‘social credit’ was only ever proposed as an accountability system for public officials, not for personal individuals just living their every day lives.

Kinda expecting people will come out of the woodwork on here to dunk on me for my ignorance, though, one way or another ._.

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone on 07 Feb 2026 04:51 next collapse

You remember tank man? Can you give me any reason to think they wouldn’t do the same today?

nialv7@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 05:20 next collapse

one data point: there was big protests near the end of COVID-19, they chose to lift the lockdown instead of doing a 1989. i don’t know how many were arrested or what happened to them, though.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 07:37 collapse

Tank man? The guy who blocked the column of tanks leaving Tienanmen Square, then climbed on top of the tank to yell at the tank commander?

IDK, the tank commanders are probably trained to hide in the tank if someone climbs on top. It’d probably look goofier as the guy runs around the top trying to get in while the commander asks him to leave.

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone on 07 Feb 2026 07:59 collapse

The guy who blocked the column of tanks leaving Tienanmen Square

Comrade please report to local police station for questioning

There was NO column of Type 59 tanks on Chang’an Avenue near Tiananmen Square in Beijing on June 5, 1989.

You are trying to disrupt the peace and will face appropriate punishment 😡

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 08:08 collapse

Shit, I’m back in Tokyo now, would you direct me to the closest secret Chinese police station?

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 07 Feb 2026 04:56 next collapse

So, because the US is regrettably inching toward authoritarianism, the fully authoritarian state was the better one all along?

Is it because of innumeracy that people seem to have such a hard time grasping the magnitude of evil?

emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works on 07 Feb 2026 11:23 collapse

So, because the US is regrettably inching toward authoritarianism, the fully authoritarian state was the better one all along?

In which of these countries do the police shoot / choke random people in broad daylight? In which of them is slavery still legal?

China is far from perfect but why would you compare it to like the second worst country in the world?

blazeknave@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 15:08 collapse

Try being Muslim and keeping your organs in China.

emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works on 07 Feb 2026 17:54 collapse

China isn’t Israel.

blazeknave@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 2026 08:01 collapse

Are you fucking for real you dumb shit?

Hurdur Israel Israel Israel

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps learn to read you commie bootlicker

emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works on 08 Feb 2026 16:29 collapse

Learn to check sources if you do not wish to be dismissed as a conspiracy theorist. You linked a Wikipedia page. Did you even bother to check the references? The first five include conspiracy nutter Adrian Zenz, the rag that spread the Palestinians raped Israelis and killed children conspiracy, and some group based in Taiwan. That’s two worthless sources, and one sus source, out of five.

blazeknave@lemmy.world on 16 Feb 22:14 collapse

There’s almost 350 citations. Governments have acknowledged this. Just stop.

emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works on 17 Feb 02:31 collapse

xkcd.com/978/

Also are these the same governments that acknowledged that Iraq had WMDs?

venusaur@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 05:10 next collapse

Nah they’re all the “bad guy” in different ways. I guarantee this is not some altruistic act. There is a political and economic reason.

JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca on 07 Feb 2026 05:24 next collapse

Did you read the article? It’s about money and risk because of the war. It isn’t some altruistic thing because they care about people’s lives.

Draegur@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 05:37 collapse

I mean it’s not like they WOULD say “We are morally opposed to israel” because actually saying that out loud in an international environment would’ve created a shit ton of drama. Meanwhile, saying “it’s because of your war” is kinda passive aggressively rubbing it in that attacking palestine was a bad move.

hm.

In light of your comment, though, I’m willing to accept that I was probably just projecting >.> it’s WAAAAAY more likely I was just indulging wishful thinking and not-so-subconsciously presuming the morality of others based on their actions rather than their words and that’s not actually smart of me like, at all. So… thank you for the second opinion. You have in fact helped me perceive more much-needed nuance here.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz on 07 Feb 2026 07:25 next collapse

China was never the ‘bad guy’

I will argue this to libs all day long, but with actual leftists, there’s a lot of “critical” when it comes to critically supporting China, especially if you’re looking at historical foreign policy after the sino-soviet split.

starik@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 07:51 next collapse

Better in every metric? Try being Chinese and criticizing the government online, and see what happens to you. That’s a pretty scary metric.

…hmmm

Err……

….gee

Yeah, guys…… I’m starting to think…… China might not be so great

Draegur@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 07:58 collapse

Well, the US has also begun sending federal agents to “visit” people who have said disparaging things about the regime lately >.>

China did NOT become any better than it had been… it’s just that the united states has gotten worse.

relatively speaking: in any of the ways in which the united states can still be said to be better than china, it is less better today than it had been a few years ago, and its trajectory at this time is presently accelerating in a direction that will not be a good time for most of the people living here.

but alright. i’ll take your word for it that all the instances we see of people being terrorized by the chinese government is NOT just manufactured anti-china propaganda. I’ll continue taking it, even if with more grains of salt than i used to…

starik@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 08:07 next collapse

Yeah, I’m not buying the “gee, guys, I used to believe the AmeriKKKa propaganda, but this really makes me think” act. It must work better on the morons in the tankie communities.

The US is fucked right now, but at least there is hope in a democracy, while it lasts. If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over. It makes me sad to think that, with modern surveillance technology, there is probably no way for them to dig themselves out of it at this point.

nednobbins@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 12:56 collapse

If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over.

What evidence would convince you that this has happened?

I ask because we seem to have blown far past China in every form of human rights violation that China would have to work hard to become as much of a totalitarian dystopia.

I’ve been to China. I’ve watched porn without a VPN and no one cared. From my experience, the tales of Chinese dystopia are more than a little exaggerated.

AmidFuror@fedia.io on 07 Feb 2026 13:15 next collapse

You watched porn in China without a VPN, so the US has blown way past China for human rights violations?

starik@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 16:38 next collapse

The ability to criticize your own government publicly is paramount. Without that, you better hope you are ok with everything the government is doing, because there is no mechanism to change it.

nednobbins@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 17:24 collapse

OK. How are you measuring the ability to criticize your own government? Is there any metric, besides gut intuition, about criticisms you can make here that you can’t make there?

starik@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 17:43 collapse

It’s not just vibes. The censorship in China is unparalleled. Try being Chinese and going on their equivalent of YouTube or Twitter and posting simply “I don’t like Xi JinPing’s policies. I think we need a new leader.” Your posts will be removed, and if you keep it up, you will be imprisoned.

Also, they’re not a democracy. They don’t get to choose or change who is in power. There is basically no mechanism for pushing back against anything the government does in China.

In the US, we’re getting a little taste of that kind of unaccountability with ICE, and there is outrage, which is still legal to express. Hopefully, the whole top of our government will change hands in a couple years. I’m thankful I live somewhere that is possible.

nednobbins@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 22:01 collapse

It’s not just vibes.

So you do have evidence. Excellent. Can we see it?

starik@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 23:24 collapse

Wait, so you think they do have elections in China? And I’m supposed to prove to you that they don’t? How should I go about satisfying you?

nednobbins@lemmy.zip on 08 Feb 2026 01:20 collapse

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China

I’ve actually seen them myself so convincing me otherwise will be a tall order. You’d be better off trying to argue that elections in China are less fair than they are here. That’s feasible but your argument would need to address a whole host of systemic electoral problems in the US.

starik@lemmy.zip on 08 Feb 2026 01:38 next collapse

Did you even read the intro to the article you linked? You’re embarrassing yourself

starik@lemmy.zip on 08 Feb 2026 01:44 collapse

Here’s a quote from a different Wikipedia article:

“Xi was elected president on 14 March 2013, in a confirmation vote during the first session of the 12th National People’s Congress in Beijing. He received 2,952 for, one vote against, and three abstentions.”

That man will be “president” for the rest of his life. Good thing he’s so popular! 100% of the “vote”

thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Feb 2026 17:00 collapse

I’ve been to China. I’ve watched porn without a VPN and no one cared.

Flawed argument:

  1. That’s not what is being talked about, it’s about the right to free speech and about how anti-government statements are illegal.
  2. Maybe they treat visiting foreigners differently in order to seem better? (a smart idea ngl)
  3. Maybe China is not opposed to people watching porn? idk
nednobbins@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 17:25 collapse

Should I read your evasive answer as an indiction that you’re opinions are based on something other than evidence?

thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Feb 2026 16:55 collapse

Amerikkka and China are both bad

This comment was made by European Union gang

lemming@anarchist.nexus on 07 Feb 2026 08:29 next collapse

Do yourself a favor and stop thinking of the world as black and white good guys bad guys. You’re not in a Hollywood movie.
You as a powerless citizen have way more in common with other powerless citizens in every single country than you do with you government, and your government have way more in common with any other government than they do with you. You’re just a human, not a Chinese human or a Norwegian human or a South African human or an American human. Those are just constructs that change over time.

GMac@feddit.org on 07 Feb 2026 08:43 next collapse

Welcome to the land of critical thinking. Whether your take on China is objectively, or provably right or wrong, your take on the US is not generating any argument and that says a lot in itself.

There’s still a lot of room in critical thinking land (thanks to social media and propaganda) so make yourself comfortable, pull up a chair and enjoy making your own decisions about things.

Railcar8095@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 08:47 next collapse

China is not bad. Well, it is, but its better than the US. Well, not better than the US right now, but will improve to be better than the US in some undefined amount of time. Well, not really improve, but the US will become worse… Maybe, I guess

I’m glad you put all the mental gymnastics in a single post and were can’t ignore ask follow up nonsense

Draegur@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 08:57 collapse

i’m glad you shoved all these words in my mouth because now i know better than to bother with your opinion. blocked.

starik@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 16:43 collapse

Lol it’s funny seeing you guys operate outside of hexbear. You can’t ban anyone who pushes back because you don’t control the community, but you still have to let them know you punished them somehow.

A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip on 07 Feb 2026 09:37 next collapse

Being fried in a pan, the fire is starting to look comfortable?

Draegur@lemmy.zip on 09 Feb 2026 02:54 collapse

the discussion here managed to convince me that the pan has not, in fact, managed just yet to become more uncomfortable than the fire.

but for a little while there, that’s actually where my mind was at. sitting in the pan, submerged in boiling oil, thinking “hm… would the fire be less awful just this once?” - but I’m straight up admitting that I was wrong to think that. It’s the effect of another metaphor blending in: the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. The point of which, is: the grass isn’t actually any greener over there, it just seems to look greener subjectively due to lack of closer direct personal experience.

A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip on 09 Feb 2026 05:30 collapse

Thanks for you reply! It’s good to hear that.

As I said (maybe here or elsewhere), I can understand that China can feel like the better alternative considering where the USA are at (and going).

AfterOnions@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 18:30 next collapse

Why is China purging their generals?

DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works on 07 Feb 2026 21:03 collapse

If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren’t making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.

So here’s the thing: I’m reading all these anti-ICE news articles from within the US, but I go on baidu and qq news and can’t find a thing criticizing Xi Jinping… hmmm… weird right? Why is that you think?

If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I’m still gathering information, though.

As an Naturalized American citizen born in China, I’d say if you are white and have birthright citizenship, you are, on average, in a better position than an average Han Chinese born in China. Maybe this would change in the future, but I’d still say for the time being, US is still better, at least if you are white.

There are edge scenarios where an Han Chinese could potentially have a better life in China, but that’s not the case for my family. I lived in a shitty part of Guangzhou that tourists don’t get to see, just like tourists visiting the US don’t typically go to Flint Michigan, or Kensington, Philadelphia, PA

Also FUCKING HUKOU I was BORN IN GUANGZHOU and they never give me Guangzhou Hukou status… so my family are just treated as second class residents. Me and my brother were not allowed in Guangzhou Public schools. Our Hukou was inherited from parents, and they are from Taishan, its rural. So my parents ended up paying for privately-run schools that are lower quality of education in Guangzhou cuz otherwise we’d be left behind in the village and that would’ve been even more depressing.

And my parents had to be either busy working all day, or be looking for work the entire day. Didn’t see them often, sometimes grandma wasn’t even available to look over us and mom took me to work.

And don’t get me started on the One Child Policy that NEARLY resulted in me being forcibly aborted by the CCP against my mother’s wishes. Fuck them. They sterilized my mother for the policy violation.

TommySoda@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 05:30 next collapse

They’re just reading the room. They’re not doing it because they think israel is bad, they’re doing it because it’s economically disastrous to do so. Within the next 5 years the US will be in the same position if it keeps going the way it is. We’ll be too “high risk.”

queermunist@lemmy.ml on 07 Feb 2026 06:58 next collapse

Why is China the only country reading the room?

Mihies@programming.dev on 07 Feb 2026 08:52 next collapse

Others don’t want to be antisemitic /s (probably they still get a ton of money out of it)

MalReynolds@slrpnk.net on 07 Feb 2026 16:19 collapse

blackmail

queermunist@lemmy.ml on 07 Feb 2026 20:02 collapse

China’s the only country Israel can’t blackmail?

choui4@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 07:22 collapse

I disagree. The epstein files prove how captured the entire american political apparatus is by pissrael. In fact, pissrael has done so, to most Global North countries. China taking this stance is actually pretty big when you consider that and the geopolitical implications of declaring their opposition to the American empire.

The more I learn about China, the more I like. Mostly.

ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca on 07 Feb 2026 06:32 next collapse

Fucking China showing how it’s fucking done! Way to go!

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Buffalox@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 08:59 next collapse

Sorry, Double post.

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 08:55 collapse

This is not a moral standing, the basis is that Israel is deemed too risky.

ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca on 07 Feb 2026 16:20 collapse

Yeah you’re probably right about that. 

I mean… Tibet, Uighurs, etc

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 08:57 next collapse

since the outbreak of the war in Israel, Beijing has classified Israel as a “high-risk area” and imposed a ban on any new Chinese investments in the country,

This is not a moral standing by China, it’s 100% pragmatic deeming Israel a high risk area.
There is no reason to call China “based” or any other such crazy comments we see here.

thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Feb 2026 16:51 next collapse

true

queermunist@lemmy.ml on 07 Feb 2026 16:52 collapse

Why isn’t any other country making this pragmatic choice?

Siegfried@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 17:13 next collapse

They don’t care? They don’t have a right over private investments?

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 19:04 collapse

A lot of countries have stopped at least some of their dealings with Israel, especially weapons export and import.
Mind you we don’t have an official source that this is true for China, only 1 company that wants to get out of a deal in Israel.

queermunist@lemmy.ml on 07 Feb 2026 20:01 collapse

As far as I can tell it’s not “especially” weapons export, it’s exclusively weapons export. European arms embargoes are good, but China seems to have gone farther here and stands alone in willing to do a larger general ban. According to the article it’s not just one company, China has declared that Israel is a “red zone” for investors and have prohibited any investment. Though, sure, this might actually just be something being made up for the lawsuit.

The pragmatic choice would be to continue investing in Israel, which is why everyone else still does it.

MrSulu@lemmy.ml on 07 Feb 2026 08:59 next collapse

When our actions align, then take it

als@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 07 Feb 2026 09:03 next collapse

Wait, this broken clock has the right time on it

fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 09:07 next collapse

Cool story bro

lena@gregtech.eu on 07 Feb 2026 09:46 collapse

It is

A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip on 07 Feb 2026 09:35 next collapse

A simple case of killing 2 birds with 1 stone: An economically sane decision can be presented as being ethical to generate good publicity with saps all around the world. Particularly effective now that the USA is in such a bad place that people like to sing China’s praises instead.

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 14:12 next collapse

This is an objectively good thing.

thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Feb 2026 16:46 next collapse

why can they just sue someone for refusing to buy something

especially when buying it would be illegal

NotAnonymousAtAll@feddit.org on 07 Feb 2026 17:53 collapse

why can they just sue someone for refusing to buy something

From the article:

As part of the agreements, the Chinese fund granted the remaining minority shareholders an option to require it to purchase their remaining shares for about $9.5 million, now valued at roughly $11 million, by early December 2025.

especially when buying it would be illegal

Legality in country A is completely irrelevant for suing someone in country B.

Also, in many countries having a realistic chance of winning the case is not a prerequisite to suing anyone for anything.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 07 Feb 2026 17:06 next collapse

Wow, I do have to admit that China is on a roll these days.

Then again, it ain’t hard acting like a nice guy with trump around.

ameancow@lemmy.world on 07 Feb 2026 18:33 next collapse

They are absolutely going to pull ahead on the world stage, whatever that really means.

But if you have lived in America all your life and been told how we’re the gleaming city on the mountain, the land of milk-and-honey and all that pabulum we’ve been fed for decades and decades, and then walk around in one of China’s newer cities you will have a radical culture shock. Then have a medical problem and walk into one of their hospitals.

Fuck, just walk into a public restroom or use their mass transit and you will wonder where the fuck your tax money is going.

Their space program alone gets zero coverage in the US and has done amazing things that will guarantee them the solar system in just a few decades.

Not saying they’re some kind of perfect nation, their human rights issues, their abuse of their workers, their racism and xenophobia are still huge and glaring, but it’s going to be a lot worse in the US before long.

DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works on 07 Feb 2026 20:36 collapse

China cares about Palestinians as much as the US cares about Ukrainians… not much

Don’t pretend like they’re good guys. Empires don’t care about the lives of people, its just a statistic to them.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 08 Feb 2026 07:50 collapse

That’s kinda of what I meant; fuck China, Winnie Pooh is evil, but they’re working hrlard in their image now, and trump is making that easy

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rotelocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 07 Feb 2026 18:46 next collapse

So the government running concentration camps bans trading with the one commuting genocide. I see…

0x0@lemmy.zip on 07 Feb 2026 22:03 next collapse

You have to be more specific.

kreskin@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 2026 02:18 collapse

What are you complaining about? At least someone is doing something about genocide. Whenever anyone, including the chinese stand up for a civilized world they should be praised and supported. I welcome their kicking zionist war criminals in the face and hope for much more kicking. Somebody has to lead here and it sure as hell isnt the so called western world order. They are all busy hiding their pedophilia crimes committed in Israeli honeypot operations.

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Feb 2026 02:26 next collapse

Out of all the countries out there… China?!? is setting the example? (although still a bit late). The western world is going to shit. China is a rising Phoenix. What a fucking dystopia we live in. Because China is still a totalitarian regime.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 08 Feb 2026 09:13 next collapse

Realistically they don’t give a shit what Israel does, they only did it because of political (US ally/puppet) reasons

TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 2026 10:29 collapse

They’re obviously doing this for PR. As soon as Trump declared Liberation Day, I knew China would use the opportunity to present themselves as the better trading partner. I have seen a recent survey of Europeans saying they trust China more than the US.

But yeah, as recently revealed, the CIA has uncovered a plot by China to sit back, relax and watch the USA destroy itself.

despite_velasquez@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 2026 16:53 collapse

Pretty much, China realised you can catch more flies with honey rather than vinegar, and it worked. Everyone’s lining up to go to Beijing to kiss the ring, especially Europeans.

MBech@feddit.dk on 08 Feb 2026 17:10 next collapse

Well one country is threatening to invade us every 6-ish months, and keeps trying to destroy every agreement we have with them. The other country is sticking to our deals, and doesn’t try to fuck us over every chance they get. I wonder why we like China more than USA…

despite_velasquez@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 2026 17:16 collapse

Yeah, my fear is that European leaders will get too comfortable switching from one hegemon to the other and the root issue of the EU not being able to stand on its own without some sort of guarantor won’t ever be solved.

If China is hegemon, I don’t think the EU would appreciate the types of tribute they’d have to pay to Beijing

kreskin@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 06:46 collapse

Ironically its been scientifically proven countless times that vinegar actually does work better to catch flies.

despite_velasquez@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 14:58 collapse

That’s kinda hilarious

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dickalan@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 2026 10:16 collapse

still better than America

moderatecentrist@feddit.uk on 08 Feb 2026 11:00 collapse

The PRC, a one party state which puts ethnic minorities in internment camps, is better than the democratic USA, which AFAIK hasn’t put ethnic minorities in internment camps since WW2?

Of course the USA is a very flawed country, especially their current government, but it seems to me that the PRC is a pretty repressive regime with less political freedom than the USA.

BlackDragon@slrpnk.net on 08 Feb 2026 11:07 next collapse

Nazi goons are literally roaming American streets, arbitrarily executing people and shipping off brown people and other “undesirables” to mystery prisons in other countries.

moderatecentrist@feddit.uk on 11 Feb 2026 08:54 collapse

Perhaps it’s possible that both the current governments of the US and PRC are doing immoral things. I think the US has a bit more political freedom though.

Bassow@feddit.nl on 08 Feb 2026 11:17 collapse

which AFAIK hasn’t put ethnic minorities in internment camps since WW2?

Oh, I have some news for you…

moderatecentrist@feddit.uk on 11 Feb 2026 08:53 collapse

Maybe you mean high levels of ethnic minorities in US prisons, but I don’t think that’s the same as specifically persecuting Uyghurs in “education” centres where they are apparently raped and tortured.

Like I said, yes the US is flawed, especially their current government, but I still think the US government is not as oppressive as the PRC government. Another example of this is the recent sentencing of Jimmy Lai to 20 years in prison, seemingly only because he supported the democracy movement in the PRC.

meliodas31@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 2026 10:40 next collapse

Chinese government do same things on Uyghurs lol

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 2026 16:42 next collapse

The question is why and I do not trust the CCP and PLA as far as I can kick them.

Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org on 09 Feb 2026 06:06 collapse

This is fake news, as some others have already have said.

There is one Chinese fund that doesn’t want to buy the remaining minority stake in an Israeli project for financial reasons and it cites this alleged ban by the Chinese government. But such a ban doesn’t exist.

Both trade between the Israel and China as well as Chinese investment in Israel remain a level. For example, as one report on China-Israel economic cooperation by the Middle East Institute - authored by Chinese scholar Dr Zhu Zhaoyi - says:

On 20 August 2025, Chinese Ambassador to Israel Xiao Junzheng published a signed article in Calcalist, Israel’s largest financial daily, entitled “China’s growth can usher in a new era for China-Israel cooperation”. He highlighted that, while geographically distant, China and Israel remain highly complementary partners […]

In May 2025, a dedicated life‑sciences matchmaking event in Tel Aviv led to six new Israeli projects, including energy management systems and carbonates technology, signing agreements to enter the park, underscoring its growing role in emerging-health innovation.

Meanwhile, the “Guang‑Israel Tech Changzhou Innovation Institute”, co-located within the park, onboarded 10 seed projects, five start-ups, and sealed three industry-academia-research cooperation agreements during its 2025 launch ceremony, highlighting the platform’s increasing capacity for commercialisation and talent development.

There are many other reports pointing in the same direction. Israel-China ties are strong, including Chinese investment in Israel.