Macron says France could recognise Palestinian state (www.aljazeera.com)
from solo@slrpnk.net to world@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 12:21
https://slrpnk.net/post/20631946

‘We must move towards recognition, and we will do so in the coming months,’ French president says.

French President Emmanuel Macron said on Wednesday that France plans to recognise a Palestinian state within months and could make the move at a United Nations conference in New York in June aimed at resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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PugJesus@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 12:43 next collapse

Good.

Reverendender@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 12:43 next collapse

Finally someone in power sides with these genocide victims. There won’t be any of them left to populate this state, but it’s a start I guess.

swordfish@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 13:09 collapse

Good move imo. If everybody did this, the next time Hamas decides to cross with hundreds of its soldiers the border to the neighboring state to slaughter and kidnap civillians the optic will be shifted from “it was just some terrorists” to “it was the army of the palestinian state”.

On the ground it will change nothing though. Israel would still go in to disarm/dismantle the neighboring terrorist organisation (now called an army of the palestinian state). Innocent palestinians will still suffer. So will innocent Israelis.

wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 13:25 next collapse

The Palestinian state has a right to defend itself against occupation as declared multiple times by UN resolutions and under international law. Over half of the casualties where military targets and we know for a fact that a large portion of civilians killed were killed under the Hannibal directive. That’s a hell of a lot better ratio than the IDF.

Get lost hasbara.

supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz on 10 Apr 13:38 next collapse

You are delusional, do you not understand this is a genocide of palestinians?

You talk like genocide will teach a group of people a lesson and it is pathetic and exceedingly small minded.

technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Apr 15:35 next collapse

Cross what border lmao? It’s all Palestinian land. It’s actually completely just for people to escape a concentration camp and defend themselves from fascist invaders/thieves.

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 15:36 collapse
De-development via the Gaza Occupation

> Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah. > Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah. - Page 105 > Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986. - page 240 >In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million. - Page 402 - The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

Blockade, including Aid

Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid. After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted. - Gaza Policy Forum summary: Experts agree that Israel’s dual-use policy causes acute distress >The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials. - Amnesty International Report pg 26-27

Peace Process and Solution

Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. - latimes.com/…/rivals-hamas-and-fatah-sign-a-decla… Both

RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 13:30 next collapse

“ I’m not doing it to please anyone. I’ll do it because at some point it will be right,” he said.”

One could argue that point was 80 years ago but no reason not to do it now.

aleq@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 13:43 next collapse

Maybe he’s doing it to displease someone…

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 15:27 collapse

France was too busy arming Israel 80 years ago

For the first two decades after independence, Israel’s primary foreign ally was France, which supplied almost all of its major weapons including planes, tanks and ships as well as building the nuclear plant from which it developed atomic weapons.

RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 16:02 collapse

80 years ago there was no Israel

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 16:49 collapse

Sure, technically only 78 years, since French support for zionism began in 1947. British support goes back much further

RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 17:46 collapse

That’s because Israel forms in 1947 hence my comment about how France should have done this in 1945

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 18:48 collapse

Of course, they also shouldn’t have colonized many parts of Africa like Algeria, Vietnam, Guiana, Lebanon, Syria, and many others. The Colonialist mentality is pervasive in Europe and America, and has never really stopped. Many still hold colonies to this day

Solumbran@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 13:36 next collapse

Until now his stance was to say that supporting Palestine is antisemitic.

I’m sure he’s saying that in good faith. /s

entwine413@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 15:48 next collapse

Yeah, fuck him for taking the right stance.

Solumbran@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 05:50 next collapse

Yeah, if he’s only motivated by bad reasons, fuck him.

He can do something that is ultimately better, and still be doing it for reasons wrong enough to be criticised. I don’t understand the point of defending an immoral megalomaniac just because he’s trying at the last second to look like he’s on the good side after fighting for the bad one for a long time.

kreskin@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 06:33 collapse

I think that person is mad he didnt do it sooner.

kreskin@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 06:32 collapse

If could be he’s fishing for bids. We need to find one of those auctioneer barkers to get this going and see if Israel or the rest of the worlds human rights supports can pay more. Because evidently everything in the western world is for sale. Shall we start the bidding with 100?

technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Apr 15:33 next collapse

Cool story. Too bad France also recognized Algeria, Libya, Mali, etc…

Railcar8095@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 16:26 next collapse

He’s threatening to do something largely symbolic.

Cool, but changes nothing.

ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 18:45 next collapse

Thank you Mr. Macaroni for saying you could maybe, in the future, say something that should have been done decades ago sometime in the future, maybe.

dutchkimble@lemy.lol on 11 Apr 03:09 collapse

So right now its not right, but something over the next few months will change that?