But to be fair, Germans took a lesson from history, at least in the west, in the east however, they covered it up. And so AfD grew from the east with the help of Putin and Trump.
NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world
on 15 Apr 11:42
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Shows just how important it is to learn from your country’s history
varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 15 Apr 12:07
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Yeah, found both my grandparents who said they didn’t know anything and were afraid to act back then.
slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Apr 12:20
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I just stayed in the east for a few days. Nazis are openly wearing their identifiers there. Saw a couple and instantly knew they were Nazis: Both in the same Lo-NS-dale jackets, boots, the guy with the classic short hair trim plus to make it obvious for even the dumbest person he had a belt striped horizontically in black white red.
Post-war, the orthodoxy in German historiography was that Nazism was a crime committed by a small criminal group, that the German people were the victims of this crime, and that there was nothing specifically German about Nazism.
While functionalism emerged in left-wing historical thought in the 60s, whereby the wider population were held not merely victims but enthusiastic participants in Nazism, the orthodoxy sought to rehabilitate the Third Reich.
This culminated in the Bitburg incident in the mid-80s where Reagan and Kohl participated in a public ceremony to honour all the war dead including the SS buried there. Reagan’s justification was that the SS were just as much victims of the Nazi criminality as the European Jews, and that Germany must shed its war guilt.
You are distorting something that has an element of truth so much that you are losing contact with reality. Neither Reagan or Kohl ever claimed the SS were as much victims as the Jews were. You are guilty of creating fake history, and that is actually a crime in EU!!!
Sorry looked it up, he did say something pretty close to that. And I agree that is insane IMO.
But still a bad argument, first because it was 35 years after the fact, and West Germany did a lot to clean up their act for decades before that. Second because Reagan was an American, and does not reflect on what Germans did internally.
I’m not sure that’s accurate. I mean, Heusinger, who was a high-ranking member of the Wehrmacht, was later a West German general, and a Chairman at NATO. Definitely striking, but not the only similar example. Denazification was woefully incomplete.
Just being part of the Wehrmacht doesn’t automatically make you guilty.
You also can’t put everybody in prison for being a member of the Nazi party.
To exaggerate it a bit, it sounds like you think genocide against Germany was the only moral response, but that is of course not at all moral, and would make the allied forces worse than the Nazis.
Genocide? It feels like you’re making a few leaps of logic there.
Either way, if they were a high ranking military commander in nazi Germany, they likely didn’t get there by being nice and virtuous. To place them in another centre of power seems a little odd, at the very least.
They really aren’t hard to identify. Perhaps they can be a little hard to distinguish from nonvoters in some cases. But otherwise they reek of ignorance, arrogance, and confident incompetence.
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Here is the link to the search engine.
If nationality == german:
return true
sad Sophie Scholl noises
thank you
Does it account for all the Nazis that existed after and still exist there today?
Do I have to link the song? Fine. I’ll link the song. I want to hear it anyway.
youtu.be/OLkPwxcIji0
Edit: Not picking on Germans. America is really at fault for protecting them after WW2.
Those are not members of the Nazi party.
Might want to use a proper noun to start your first sentence. Removes the ambiguity when there are different “those” you could be referring to.
Spoiler…
They probably were.
But to be fair, Germans took a lesson from history, at least in the west, in the east however, they covered it up. And so AfD grew from the east with the help of Putin and Trump.
Shows just how important it is to learn from your country’s history
Other countries too.
Yeah, found both my grandparents who said they didn’t know anything and were afraid to act back then.
I just stayed in the east for a few days. Nazis are openly wearing their identifiers there. Saw a couple and instantly knew they were Nazis: Both in the same Lo-NS-dale jackets, boots, the guy with the classic short hair trim plus to make it obvious for even the dumbest person he had a belt striped horizontically in black white red.
Not really
And DDR prosecuted and ran intensive denazification programmes
I knew Dance Dance Revolution was good for something!
Wouldn’t this be an example of them taking a lesson from their history?
It was heavily covered up in W Germany too.
Bullshit, after the war it was revealed to the Germans in Western Germany how bad it was.
Post-war, the orthodoxy in German historiography was that Nazism was a crime committed by a small criminal group, that the German people were the victims of this crime, and that there was nothing specifically German about Nazism.
While functionalism emerged in left-wing historical thought in the 60s, whereby the wider population were held not merely victims but enthusiastic participants in Nazism, the orthodoxy sought to rehabilitate the Third Reich.
This culminated in the Bitburg incident in the mid-80s where Reagan and Kohl participated in a public ceremony to honour all the war dead including the SS buried there. Reagan’s justification was that the SS were just as much victims of the Nazi criminality as the European Jews, and that Germany must shed its war guilt.
So no bullshit at all.
You are distorting something that has an element of truth so much that you are losing contact with reality. Neither Reagan or Kohl ever claimed the SS were as much victims as the Jews were. You are guilty of creating fake history, and that is actually a crime in EU!!!Sorry looked it up, he did say something pretty close to that. And I agree that is insane IMO.
But still a bad argument, first because it was 35 years after the fact, and West Germany did a lot to clean up their act for decades before that. Second because Reagan was an American, and does not reflect on what Germans did internally.
I’m not sure that’s accurate. I mean, Heusinger, who was a high-ranking member of the Wehrmacht, was later a West German general, and a Chairman at NATO. Definitely striking, but not the only similar example. Denazification was woefully incomplete.
Just being part of the Wehrmacht doesn’t automatically make you guilty.
You also can’t put everybody in prison for being a member of the Nazi party.
To exaggerate it a bit, it sounds like you think genocide against Germany was the only moral response, but that is of course not at all moral, and would make the allied forces worse than the Nazis.
Genocide? It feels like you’re making a few leaps of logic there.
Either way, if they were a high ranking military commander in nazi Germany, they likely didn’t get there by being nice and virtuous. To place them in another centre of power seems a little odd, at the very least.
Something like this may be handy when MAGA’s start taking off their hats and peeling off the bumper-stickers.
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They really aren’t hard to identify. Perhaps they can be a little hard to distinguish from nonvoters in some cases. But otherwise they reek of ignorance, arrogance, and confident incompetence.
It just defaults to “Yes”.
My German ancestry predates the Nazis, but I probably have relatives who were.
Found some where last name and city name matched, but asked my mom to narrow down the search.