Well, over 70% of Israel is Jewish and I don’t think it is the remainder going to war against majority Muslim countries. So it seems to involve a pretty big portion.
nope. separation of the classes is the first step to realizing you are being propagandized. nazi netanyahoo is not jewish, even if he says he is. he’s a zionist and a capitalist.
I’m not saying all Jews are doing genocide at all. Just that saying “Jews have nothing to do with this” is absolutely categorical nonsense. Zionism is inextricably linked to Judaism. Not necessarily the other way around.
Thinking Zionism is linked to Judaism is just knowing what the word means.
zionism was created by capitalists, some of whom happened to be Jewish. the whole point is that it muddies the waters on “who to hate” on purpose, because we should be hating the capitalists.
the problem is not Jews. and i know you’re not saying “all jews” - but when people say things like “the jews want to die”, ignoring the obvious stupidity of that, they miss an opportunity to put the focus on the real group causing this world to implode: zionists and capitalists.
hey. just wanted to say thank you. i enjoy “debates” as much as they can be called “debates” on threads like this and wish there was a debate team like community. could prob start one! though i never was on any formal debate teams I think it would be cool to have a monthly thread, teams created, two weeks of “research time” and then a curated discussion thread. hrm. anyway all that adhd ramble to say i appreciated your reply.
I honestly don’t know anyone more anti-semitic than Israelis. You may think they’re Jewish, but I tend to think they just use Jewish people as human shields.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world
on 30 Mar 01:12
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You have no idea how true your statement is, if we go back to early zionism they had an opposition movement, the Bund, the bund was a jewish labour movement about jewish pride and culture, and most importantly, that jews belong wherever they are, we were made in the diaspora and we belong where we are.
In contrast the Zionism was extremely antisemitic, only the Hetzel and his buddies were good jews, integrated enough to be “Civilized” while still jewish, bellow them there were Coffehaus jews who were more integrated, and bellow them the OstJews the primitive poor jews (Fiddler on the roof). They hated them, and hope that they will be civilized, and those where only Ashkenazim, other jews barely count because they were of inferior races and primitive “barbarian” cultures.
And when nazis arrived, they struggled with boycotts and sanctions, and zionists made a deal with Hitler, to self ethnically cleanse themselves and pay tariffs and help finance Nazi Germany in the process (Haavara agreement). This also hurt international boycotts, because why Boycott nazis for antisemitism if jews are not following the boycotts.
not sure how much support they gave them, and I wonder if it wasn’t for that support the Nazi state would have collapsed before the Holocaust. but the end result was the survival of Nazi Germany, and the Holocaust, which genocided the jews that stayed and the Bund movement.
Upgrayedd1776@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Mar 14:04
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bibi’s father was part of those buddies wasn’t he? they were also called irgun or something right?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 29 Mar 22:30
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Besides the obvious issue of conflating religion with politics…
They just had pretty large protests across Israel:
You have to remember that with “birthright” citizenship, there is a constant stream of new voters who not only aren’t tired of war, they have a personal financial motivation to increase Israel’s borders; they are the “settlers” who steal land rather than buy it.
Loads of Jewish Israelis who have had to serve in the IDF for generations want peace, and have been against Bibi since before he first took office.
90% of them supported the illegal war just like the vast majority support the genocide in Gaza. The Israelis who are demanding peace want it by military domination.
Its misleading to suggest theres a civil society waiting in the wings. Israel has become a fascist ethnostate.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 30 Mar 13:18
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90% of them supported the illegal war
And youve proven that by linking this article:
78% of Jewish Israelis support continuing Iran war — poll
I think to clarify this we’d have to start with counting…
TrickDacy@lemmy.world
on 30 Mar 02:09
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What a weird and suggestive way to say that. If I was trying to bait people into calling me anti-semitic, that would be a perfect idea to accomplish that.
Did you create your account just to glorify the genocide?
I hope your mum gets bombed lmao.
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Mar 02:15
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Israel Is Dropping 2,000-Pound United States made Bombs on Densely-Populated Tehran
Just adding that little precision, although day by day this gets more obvious.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world
on 30 Mar 09:19
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They didn’t build the jets either…
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip
on 30 Mar 02:55
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Israel wants to wreck everything. They never cared if the Iranian people were going to rise up. That was just a lie to get Trump to join in and give them cover.
Mihies@programming.dev
on 30 Mar 06:02
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You know how in the last few turns of Civilization, as the winner has become obvious you just start attacking every nation around you to use the military you’ve been building the entire game?
That’s where we’re at
Upgrayedd1776@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Mar 13:50
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war weariness and loyalty become an issue tho, if you dont speed rush domination, your cities revolt.
Yeah that’s why you do it right at the end. Or you spam cultural improvements in larger cities so the neighboring cities are cool about all the war units you produce.
I like to let the other civs catch up a little bit before going to war, and wait till the end to dominate because the advanced tech is more fun
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 30 Mar 15:36
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They are running out of Palestinians to genocide now that their Final Solution law has almost passed, so it’s time to expand their ethnic cleansing campaign to FranceIran.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Mar 15:54
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If they ever manage to conquer it, Israel would do in Iran (a country of 90 million people) a Genocide so large that it would make the NAZI Holocaust look like a minor footnote in History.
The ultra-racist extremelly violent Jewish-supremacist modern day version of the NAZIs have only not done even worse things than the NAZIs themselves because so far they have yet to occupy enough territory inhabited by people of the ethnicities they openly call “vermin”.
To say that a Greater Israel plan that includes… Iran… is in any sense real is batshit insane. Some Protocols of the Elders of Zion propaganda.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Mar 17:21
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Sure mate, the Zionists are just gonna go “No, we don’t want it because this territory belongs to the Iranian people!” if they ever got a chance to capture it.
After all, Israel’s track record on what they do with any territory they capture in that area is not at all “hold it when they can and then when the locals fight against the occupation call them ‘violent’, ‘terrorists’ and even ‘vermin’ as an excuse to kill them, men, women and children” so clearly only an anti-semite^TM^ would dare think that Israel would take over somebody else’s territory and mass murder the locals whilst putting up Israeli “settlements” there.
Don’t tell us: for your next trick you’re going to click your heels 3 times whilst saying “there’s no place like home” and be teleported from fantasy land to your kibutz in “Occupied Territory”.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
on 30 Mar 17:30
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If they ever manage to conquer it, Israel would do in Iran (a country of 90 million people) a Genocide so large that it would make the NAZI Holocaust look like a minor footnote in History.
And the World would be like “No, Israel has the right to defend it self. There is no genocide.”
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Mar 17:37
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“There were Hamas tunnels under that girls’ school!!!”
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what about this involves jews? this is israel and there is nothing jewish about those zionist pieces of shit.
Well, over 70% of Israel is Jewish and I don’t think it is the remainder going to war against majority Muslim countries. So it seems to involve a pretty big portion.
nope. separation of the classes is the first step to realizing you are being propagandized. nazi netanyahoo is not jewish, even if he says he is. he’s a zionist and a capitalist.
a faith is not doing this genocide. zionists are.
I’m not saying all Jews are doing genocide at all. Just that saying “Jews have nothing to do with this” is absolutely categorical nonsense. Zionism is inextricably linked to Judaism. Not necessarily the other way around.
Thinking Zionism is linked to Judaism is just knowing what the word means.
zionism was created by capitalists, some of whom happened to be Jewish. the whole point is that it muddies the waters on “who to hate” on purpose, because we should be hating the capitalists.
the problem is not Jews. and i know you’re not saying “all jews” - but when people say things like “the jews want to die”, ignoring the obvious stupidity of that, they miss an opportunity to put the focus on the real group causing this world to implode: zionists and capitalists.
Don’t disagree with all that. Very clear.
hey. just wanted to say thank you. i enjoy “debates” as much as they can be called “debates” on threads like this and wish there was a debate team like community. could prob start one! though i never was on any formal debate teams I think it would be cool to have a monthly thread, teams created, two weeks of “research time” and then a curated discussion thread. hrm. anyway all that adhd ramble to say i appreciated your reply.
Back at you. Constructive debate is a pillar of modern reason.
Israel ISNT every single Jew on Earth? WHY are you SO Anti Semetic!
-The ADL!
Are Jews protesting in masses, not voting extreme right and condemning Israel government?
Yes. aljazeera.com/…/dozens-detained-in-tel-aviv-as-an…
You sure that’s what “in masses” means? Seems to me like a tiny minority. But even then, that’s good.
i mean i knew a guy in the tsahal. He was a christian russian
I honestly don’t know anyone more anti-semitic than Israelis. You may think they’re Jewish, but I tend to think they just use Jewish people as human shields.
You have no idea how true your statement is, if we go back to early zionism they had an opposition movement, the Bund, the bund was a jewish labour movement about jewish pride and culture, and most importantly, that jews belong wherever they are, we were made in the diaspora and we belong where we are.
In contrast the Zionism was extremely antisemitic, only the Hetzel and his buddies were good jews, integrated enough to be “Civilized” while still jewish, bellow them there were Coffehaus jews who were more integrated, and bellow them the OstJews the primitive poor jews (Fiddler on the roof). They hated them, and hope that they will be civilized, and those where only Ashkenazim, other jews barely count because they were of inferior races and primitive “barbarian” cultures.
And when nazis arrived, they struggled with boycotts and sanctions, and zionists made a deal with Hitler, to self ethnically cleanse themselves and pay tariffs and help finance Nazi Germany in the process (Haavara agreement). This also hurt international boycotts, because why Boycott nazis for antisemitism if jews are not following the boycotts.
not sure how much support they gave them, and I wonder if it wasn’t for that support the Nazi state would have collapsed before the Holocaust. but the end result was the survival of Nazi Germany, and the Holocaust, which genocided the jews that stayed and the Bund movement.
bibi’s father was part of those buddies wasn’t he? they were also called irgun or something right?
Besides the obvious issue of conflating religion with politics…
They just had pretty large protests across Israel:
www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-891473
You have to remember that with “birthright” citizenship, there is a constant stream of new voters who not only aren’t tired of war, they have a personal financial motivation to increase Israel’s borders; they are the “settlers” who steal land rather than buy it.
Loads of Jewish Israelis who have had to serve in the IDF for generations want peace, and have been against Bibi since before he first took office.
90% of them supported the illegal war just like the vast majority support the genocide in Gaza. The Israelis who are demanding peace want it by military domination.
www.timesofisrael.com/…/amp/
Its misleading to suggest theres a civil society waiting in the wings. Israel has become a fascist ethnostate.
And youve proven that by linking this article:
I think to clarify this we’d have to start with counting…
What a weird and suggestive way to say that. If I was trying to bait people into calling me anti-semitic, that would be a perfect idea to accomplish that.
Those school girls didn’t see it coming.
they were hamas
Only one of these things can be true
Schools and universities and hospitals, and some residential buildings. I do agree that they have been very precise.
lmao yes, like in gaza, they only killed terrorists /s
Did you create your account just to glorify the genocide?
I hope your mum gets bombed lmao.
Israel Is Dropping 2,000-Pound United States made Bombs on Densely-Populated Tehran
Just adding that little precision, although day by day this gets more obvious.
They didn’t build the jets either…
Israel wants to wreck everything. They never cared if the Iranian people were going to rise up. That was just a lie to get Trump to join in and give them cover.
Trump never cared either
He probably did care for a fleeting moment, not so much about the people but about him being able to capitalise on the moment for his own benefit.
Then of course, that was too hard and TACO.
You know how in the last few turns of Civilization, as the winner has become obvious you just start attacking every nation around you to use the military you’ve been building the entire game?
That’s where we’re at
war weariness and loyalty become an issue tho, if you dont speed rush domination, your cities revolt.
Yeah that’s why you do it right at the end. Or you spam cultural improvements in larger cities so the neighboring cities are cool about all the war units you produce.
I like to let the other civs catch up a little bit before going to war, and wait till the end to dominate because the advanced tech is more fun
They are running out of Palestinians to genocide now that their Final Solution law has almost passed, so it’s time to expand their ethnic cleansing campaign to
FranceIran.If they ever manage to conquer it, Israel would do in Iran (a country of 90 million people) a Genocide so large that it would make the NAZI Holocaust look like a minor footnote in History.
The ultra-racist extremelly violent Jewish-supremacist modern day version of the NAZIs have only not done even worse things than the NAZIs themselves because so far they have yet to occupy enough territory inhabited by people of the ethnicities they openly call “vermin”.
Why do you think that Israel has any desire to conquer Iran? The idea is laughably unfeasible. Israel may be evil, but they are not that stupid.
I think you may be a bit high on propaganda.
Sure mate, Israel isn’t at all trying to conquer all the territory it can and there is no such thing as Greater Israel plan.
On a similar note, there’s this river-crossing piece or realestate for sale in New York which would be a wonderful investment for the likes of you.
To say that a Greater Israel plan that includes… Iran… is in any sense real is batshit insane. Some Protocols of the Elders of Zion propaganda.
Sure mate, the Zionists are just gonna go “No, we don’t want it because this territory belongs to the Iranian people!” if they ever got a chance to capture it.
After all, Israel’s track record on what they do with any territory they capture in that area is not at all “hold it when they can and then when the locals fight against the occupation call them ‘violent’, ‘terrorists’ and even ‘vermin’ as an excuse to kill them, men, women and children” so clearly only an anti-semite^TM^ would dare think that Israel would take over somebody else’s territory and mass murder the locals whilst putting up Israeli “settlements” there.
Don’t tell us: for your next trick you’re going to click your heels 3 times whilst saying “there’s no place like home” and be teleported from fantasy land to your kibutz in “Occupied Territory”.
And the World would be like “No, Israel has the right to defend it self. There is no genocide.”
“There were Hamas tunnels under that girls’ school!!!”