Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world
on 26 Jun 04:30
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We’ll just have to see what Magyar thinks about it then.
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social
on 26 Jun 05:51
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While he's not as extreme as Órban, Magyar is also against helping Ukraine defend itself, and he's being at least ambivalent about letting join the EU and NATO after the war.
We might have a Hungary problem, not a Fidesz problem.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world
on 26 Jun 08:20
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Seems like we usually do. Still the sick man of Europe, I guess
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
on 26 Jun 10:20
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When faced with the choice of good relations with the EU (including funding and cooperation) and standing with Putin, Magyar may, unlike Orban, make the pragmatic choice.
When you have someone blow the double of the whole healthcare budget on Ukraine fearmongering, who has been supported by a practically unlimited EU budget, it becomes hard to campaign on Ukraine.
Magyar pledged to have a referendum on Ukraine joining, when the question actually comes up. I don’t know what else he can do right now, considering the situation.
Most Hungarians support the unconditional early joining of Ukraine BTW, and a lot more support it if conditions are kept.
Austria isn’t as blatant as Hungary but their policy is also pretty russia-friendly.
And there is a reason A-H collapsed and it wasn’t just because of WW1 and Bosnian Serbs. Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Romanians or basically anybody who wasn’t German or Hungarian hated the monarchy in the end(With the possible exception of the Croats, who reached some kind of agreement with Hungarians right before the collapse).
Sometimes you have to be that when a completely separate nation invades your sovereign nation illegally.
They are at least not as fishy as putin, damn that man stinks.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world
on 26 Jun 05:02
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Of course he will keep it that way. He won’t have the time to continue sucking off Putin if he has to think about NATO membership. Hungary needs to flush that miserable turd down the political toilet once and for all.
This just hands over an EU country to the Russian and Chinese influences, which is why Hungary is where it’s at in the first place.
This is the kind of thing that needs covert counter-ops: undermine and question orban at every online forum, constantly make Putin look bad, push against every single government policy, etc.
So basically what they’re doing to every other western nation.
FelixCress@lemmy.world
on 26 Jun 07:46
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This just hands over an EU country to the Russian and Chinese influences
Far too late for that. Orban is a Russian shill and should be treated accordingly.
Few years outside of the EU, with closed borders and no new funds may cause Hungarians to proudly follow Romanian way with Orban ending like Caucescu.
Because Orban is Putin’s puppet, irrespectively of any Chinese investment.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 26 Jun 11:02
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So basically what they’re doing to every other western nation.
You mean western nations’ government policies are all perfect and people pushing against them are Russian shills? And making their politicians look bad?
Maybe those governments and politicians are Russia-infiltrated, and these complaints are resistance.
You say “maybe” like it’s some unknowable quantity, but we can see what is going on in Hungary and that it’s getting increasingly authoritarian, and we can see Russian attempts to influence western democracies through bot farms and the like. It’s not unknowable; the evidence is there.
This is the sort of stupidification of issues that we see from bot farms: cherry pick one point, then blow it out of proportion so that there’s no more nuance, no more gray, no room for middle ground.
Everything becomes black and white, polarised, simple: with us or against us.
Orbán does just enough for farmers to keep them voting for him. Keeping Ukraine out of the EU is part of that - if Ukraine were a member, Hungarian wheat prices would plummet.
Green_Mouse@piefed.social
on 26 Jun 12:46
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I don’t think there’s any need to evict it to pressure it to vote the right way.
So Hungary blocking things is a collective performance.
Or maybe not, then the leverage they gain from veto is more than the pressure put at them. In such case that leverage is apparently damn big and they are a small country.
“There’s nobody that’s better, smarter or a better leader than Viktor Orbán. He’s fantastic. He’s a noncontroversial figure because he said, ‘This is the way it’s going to be,’ and that’s the end of it, right? He’s the boss and … he’s a great leader, fantastic leader. In Europe and around the world, they respect him.”
Donald Trump, predictably
phutatorius@lemmy.zip
on 26 Jun 09:49
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I’ll celebrate the day when the people of Hungary do the right thing.
If the next year’s elections fail and Orbán stays in power then we can start calling it Western Belarus from then on.
Allemaniac@lemmy.world
on 26 Jun 12:59
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good thing our glorious german arms manufacturer Rheinmetall (creators of the Leopard tanks) built the world’s most high-tech tank factory in fucking Hungary of all places. Putin will soon sport some sleak looking new MBT’s in Ukraine thanks to us greedy Germans :)
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We’ll just have to see what Magyar thinks about it then.
While he's not as extreme as Órban, Magyar is also against helping Ukraine defend itself, and he's being at least ambivalent about letting join the EU and NATO after the war.
We might have a Hungary problem, not a Fidesz problem.
Seems like we usually do. Still the sick man of Europe, I guess
When faced with the choice of good relations with the EU (including funding and cooperation) and standing with Putin, Magyar may, unlike Orban, make the pragmatic choice.
When you have someone blow the double of the whole healthcare budget on Ukraine fearmongering, who has been supported by a practically unlimited EU budget, it becomes hard to campaign on Ukraine.
Magyar pledged to have a referendum on Ukraine joining, when the question actually comes up. I don’t know what else he can do right now, considering the situation.
Most Hungarians support the unconditional early joining of Ukraine BTW, and a lot more support it if conditions are kept.
I thought you were talking about Ukraine’s head of UAV forces for a second lol
I’m more of a fan of that one than the Turkish one. Hope it doesn’t come to that!
Won’t someone rid us of this turbulent shitstain?
I’d trade Ukraine getting NATO membership if it means Hungary loses it.
Can’t we just combine Austria and Hungary again? Everybody loved that.
Well, except Bosnian Serbs I guess.
Austria isn’t as blatant as Hungary but their policy is also pretty russia-friendly.
And there is a reason A-H collapsed and it wasn’t just because of WW1 and Bosnian Serbs. Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Romanians or basically anybody who wasn’t German or Hungarian hated the monarchy in the end(With the possible exception of the Croats, who reached some kind of agreement with Hungarians right before the collapse).
Yeah, at least we know that Ukrainians aren’t fifth columnists.
Yeah, with their filthy newspapers.
Ukraine is fishy especially their presiden.
I agree when invaders break into my house I cook them dinner and ask if they want to fuck my wife too.
Who said you could stop sucking Putin’s dick? BACK TO WORK!
A journalist should ask him if Trump’s asshole tastes like Putin’s dick.
Zdrastvuytie Sasha, one comment and five rubels in your pocket.
Fish rots from the head first.
Sometimes you have to be that when a completely separate nation invades your sovereign nation illegally.
They are at least not as fishy as putin, damn that man stinks.
Of course he will keep it that way. He won’t have the time to continue sucking off Putin if he has to think about NATO membership. Hungary needs to flush that miserable turd down the political toilet once and for all.
Homie looks like the heel of a foot. Putin sure knows how to pick the pretty ones.
Toady looks like toad.
Evict Hungary from the EU and NATO
This.
This just hands over an EU country to the Russian and Chinese influences, which is why Hungary is where it’s at in the first place.
This is the kind of thing that needs covert counter-ops: undermine and question orban at every online forum, constantly make Putin look bad, push against every single government policy, etc.
So basically what they’re doing to every other western nation.
Far too late for that. Orban is a Russian shill and should be treated accordingly.
Few years outside of the EU, with closed borders and no new funds may cause Hungarians to proudly follow Romanian way with Orban ending like Caucescu.
Why are you crossing out China?
Did you miss the massive investments China is doing there, to buy influence?
Here’s one: businessinsider.com/satellite-photos-show-byds-ma…
Because Orban is Putin’s puppet, irrespectively of any Chinese investment.
You mean western nations’ government policies are all perfect and people pushing against them are Russian shills? And making their politicians look bad?
Maybe those governments and politicians are Russia-infiltrated, and these complaints are resistance.
You say “maybe” like it’s some unknowable quantity, but we can see what is going on in Hungary and that it’s getting increasingly authoritarian, and we can see Russian attempts to influence western democracies through bot farms and the like. It’s not unknowable; the evidence is there.
This is the sort of stupidification of issues that we see from bot farms: cherry pick one point, then blow it out of proportion so that there’s no more nuance, no more gray, no room for middle ground.
Everything becomes black and white, polarised, simple: with us or against us.
Fucking moron.
Lose one, gain multiple.
It isn’t as big an issue as you make it out to be.
I think if it comes to that, the Hungarian people will be VERY pissed off.
Should have voted differently then.
Yup
That’s their problem.
Honestly they should already be VERY pissed off
Orbán does just enough for farmers to keep them voting for him. Keeping Ukraine out of the EU is part of that - if Ukraine were a member, Hungarian wheat prices would plummet.
It's so selfish and low...
I don’t think there’s any need to evict it to pressure it to vote the right way.
So Hungary blocking things is a collective performance.
Or maybe not, then the leverage they gain from veto is more than the pressure put at them. In such case that leverage is apparently damn big and they are a small country.
I hate this ugly fuck
Damn, I hate this man so much.
Donald Trump, predictably
I’ll celebrate the day when the people of Hungary do the right thing.
What makes you think they will?
I am sure many of them want to.
Around May next year. Might not be the right thing we’re both thinking of, but at least there will be elections in 2026.
Do we need to do Trianon again?
Do a Quaternon. No part of Hungary stays independent.
Hungary should follow Slovakia’s proposal and leave NATO.
If the next year’s elections fail and Orbán stays in power then we can start calling it Western Belarus from then on.
good thing our glorious german arms manufacturer Rheinmetall (creators of the Leopard tanks) built the world’s most high-tech tank factory in fucking Hungary of all places. Putin will soon sport some sleak looking new MBT’s in Ukraine thanks to us greedy Germans :)
FTFH: Orbán: “Ukraine is not NATO member and I
intendwas commanded by Putin to keep it that way”