Man in Florida 'shoots two Israelis he thought were Palestinian'
(www.newarab.com)
from shaserlark@sh.itjust.works to world@lemmy.world on 17 Feb 11:30
https://sh.itjust.works/post/32954850
from shaserlark@sh.itjust.works to world@lemmy.world on 17 Feb 11:30
https://sh.itjust.works/post/32954850
Way to go, Florida man
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I assume if he had shot Palestinians like he thought he did, DeSantis would have given him some sort of award.
Because if they really were Palestinians, obviously that would’ve been perfectly A-OK?
This is the propaganda we are sold, yes.
Imagine if the shooter was a Palestinian.
A Palestinian shooting Palestinians because he mistook them for Israeli Jews would have been just as terrible and sad.
Good thing this jackass had terrible aim.
He used 17 shots and the result:
So yes, that was lucky!
So I guess the shooter was lucky too, he survived the arrest.
Must have been white
Depends on who you ask.
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The real question: Is their skin pale enough to benefit from white privilege? B/c that’s all that “whiteness” is.
That’s obviously not all whiteness is when the richest man in the world says you don’t belong to the white club.
Being able to pass for white at times and actually being accepted as white is not the same.
Also:
― David Baddiel, Jews Don’t Count
(Highly recommend that book, by the way.)
If you start with the premise Jews are evil, you just lump them with everything else you consider evil. Skin color is just one of many categories of convenience.
vampire being the most pale of them, someone like bryan johnson, who ironically thinks consuming/injecting blood makes him look younger.
He’s Jewish
I hereby decree his name is “Barfman” now
brafman, braf-also an oncogene.
Typical right winger, loves guns but rarely if ever practices.
To be fair, it's not that easy to distinguish them just by looks.
(I would att a /s but somehow it doesn't fit because it's true)
Distinguish whom? Zios come from all over the planet to steal land and commit genocide. Most of them look nothing at all like palestinians.
Have you ever seen Israelis and actual Palestinians? Palestinians are pretty diverse themselves regarding skin color and looks. There are Palestinians with African features and dark skin, as well as ones with red hair and blue eyes. The region at the crossroads between Africa and Asia has always had different kinds of people moving there.
More than half of Jewish Israelis have ancestors who were expelled from Muslim and Arab countries. They don’t typically look like Northern Europeans, but more like Arabs.
The hardcore Zionist tend to be the European ones though.
No, the ones who vote for Netanyahu‘s Likud and other right wingers are mostly Mizrahi from the Middle East and North Africa. Ashkenazi are more likely to vote left or centrist parties.
Don’t know what you mean by hardcore Zionist, as there’s not really a political movement named like that.
You fell victim to propaganda and framing tailored to your western prejudices.
Where do Netanyahu and likud Party come from again? Where was the birthplace of reactionary Zionism?
You mean Netanyahu’s parents.
Where were Ben Gvir’s parents from?
The majority of Likud, Shas and Ben Gvir voters are Mizrahi Jews.
Israeli Mizrahi Jews in general tend to be more right wing in general.
haaretz.com/…/0000017f-dbf2-db22-a17f-fff38d57000…
archive.md/HBvfq
So I noticed you didn’t answer the question. Because we both know the answer. Reactionary Zionism, which is the group you pretend not to understand the origins of, completely comes of European ancestry. The likud party has its Origins entirely from reactionary Zionism and the European Jews… The fact that they’ve got a lot of people to vote against their interests doesn’t change the fact of who they are and where they came from. Nor who their leadership primarily is made of.
( also that article pretty much refutes your point)
You wrote it again, but do you mean Revisionist Zionism? I didn’t pretend, as it’s completely irrelevant.
You wrote that the hardcore Zionist tends to be European. You were corrected that it isn’t true today.
You should clarify yourself if you meant something else.
The article points out Mizrahi are more right wing.
Likud’s voters are still mostly Mizrahi, even if less Mizrahi are voting for them as compared to the past.
And it isn’t the only right wing party or the most extreme one. Ben Gvir’s party is worse and also has mostly Mizrahi voters.
I haven’t managed to find the articles that talked about the last election in the context of Mizrahi Jews, but you can go through the last election result map and see the places where the Likud got the highest percentages are almost all Mizrahi dominated.
And vote against their interests in which way?
Third time. Just don’t want to admit that the ones driving the train, that they brag about being on time I’m sure, tend to be the European ones. Your article even mentioned how the leaders of the likud party tended to be white. But you don’t want to admit it for some reason. Curious.
Are you asking how fascism is against the interest of all people? I would assume that self-explanatory I’m concerned you need it explained.
What you originally wrote doesn’t imply only leaders.
The current leaders of Zionist parties that are part of the government are, Netanyahu, Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Arie Deri. That’s 2 Ashkenazis and 2 Mizrahis.
They voted for the Likud mostly because of the racism they experienced. That resulted in much more Mizrahi Jews in places of power and the shrinking of the gap between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews.
Justifiable or not, that clearly worked in their interest.
But clearly you’re just looking to attack people, so I’m wasting my time.
Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv.
What’s that supposed to be? Do you mean revisionist Zionism?
No I mean reactionary Zionism. As in the most radical reactionary wing of revisionary Zionism. As in the likud party. As in the ones who kept working with the Nazis even after World War II started. Those motherfuckers.
What are you referring to?
Likud didn’t exist until the 1970s. There are far more extreme parties than Likud. Smotrich and Ben Gvir are not Likudniks for example.
God damn man how much Israeli history do I have to teach you here? Do you think the likud party sprang up from nothing? Did you think it came from like the primordial ooze fully formed? My God man. Do some basic reading please. Learn about the Herut and the Irgun. Learn about Menachem Begin. Learn about the Lehi and Yitzhak Shamir.
Good Lord, talking to you is like talking to these anti-dei people who think that history of race relations in America started in 2008. Ignoring the previous 400 years rather taints the argument.
I know more about these things than your propagandized distortions.
Lol, k.
This is the political movement they are referring to.
Originally, yes the Ashkenazi’s were the big Zionists. Modern Zionism is an Ashkenazi invention after all.
However, after generations of Ashkenazi’s treating the local Mizrahi’s as second class citizens, the Mizrahi’s have become the most rabid Zionists. Its a similar dynamic to how second class whites become the most racist.
I just hate that whites include so many assholes. I hereby secede Scandinavia from whites. We shall be known as nords. I’m not gonna stand for what these hypnotised power crazy narcissists are doing any more.
at the core of every genocide is some sickeningly arbitrary difference that not even the people enacting the genocide can fully discern. Palestinians are indigenous to the Levant, just like Jews were. they just survived the ethnic cleansing enacted by the romans differently. similarly by both russia, and many Ukrainians telling of the origins of the rus, they originated from Kyiv. back in the 1930s and 40s, the Germans had to invent more and more arbitrary ways to identify Jews because since resettlement in Galitsye (today divided between Germany, Chzechia, Poland, russia, and Ukraine) Jews integrated themselves into the indigenous population (in large part thanks to unprecedented religious tolerance on behalf of the people of Galitsye and later Poland) meaning telling who was and wasn’t Jewish was hard to impossible for the German officers responsible for deciding who to kill.
my point is this: arbitrarily killing Palestinians is antisemitic. it runs even a little deeper than simply “Palestinians are semitic, just like me” given that their cultural traditions are shared. it gets into violence against my sister is violence against me. harm against Palestinians is harm against Jews. once there are no more identifiably Palestinian people left to kill, next will come the Jews who aren’t identifiably non-Palestinian enough. and who decides who that is? where does the killing stop?
the best way to avoid being killed in a genocide is to prevent genocide from happening. the second best way is to bring ongoing genocides to an end. unfortunately, it is falling to us, the populace, to defend ourselves from the military apparatus of the imperial powers of the globe. a great battle is about to unfold between the forces of good, evil, and indifference, just as it has approximately every 80 years throughout history. part of our aim in thi; battle is to preserve our message that we were here. that there was good in the world even at its worst.
i hope you’ve read a diary of a young girl by anne frank, and understand its gravity. it breaks my heart that a 13 year old saw all of what i’m seeing and chose to make her death meaningful as a story that passes this tale of resistance and kindness in the face of atrocity to me, but the point is that her voice made it through. so please, don’t put her pain to waste. start taking actions you think 80 years from now someone who learns what you did during this time will be proud of, and find inspiring. even if it’s something as simple as documenting the things you see, or growing food to share with your neighbors.
do what our ancestors did when faced with these times, plant trees the shade of which your physical body will never rest under
Antisemitism only means hatred of Jews and nothing else. Trying to water the term down like you’re doing is extremely bad faith and usually done to give cover to antisemites.
That said, yes, many Palestinians have Jewish ancestors.
That’s some shizo level rambling.
Netanyahu is an antisemite. He says Judaism is the same thing as genocide, and that’s an anti-jewish stereotype.
Please source that quote.
Antisemitism only means hatred of Jews and nothing else. Trying to water the term down like you’re doing is extremely bad faith and usually done to give cover to antisemites.
That said, yes, many Palestinians have Jewish ancestors.
That’s some shizo level rambling.
Don’t tell me how to interface with hatred against my Jewish identity that I have to face every day. Don’t tell me to look at the hate perpetrated in my name against my sisters and not to speak against it, especially when the hatred is deranged and twisted and harms me as well. You’re welcome to disagree with me that our two people’s are intrinsically linked to each other by history and culture, which apparently you do, but this is not a bad faith argument. This is something I believe with my entire heart. Jews and Palestinians are one people. Zionism is an act of hate against both.
I agree with that part.
Your abuse of the word antisemitism is what I take issue with.
You gonna tell us you can’t be a Nazi unless you’re in 1940’s Germany sieg heiling to Hitler next? lol
Fucking dumb fuck pedants.
Isn’t it funny what end of this quote Israel is on these days
Careful. Zionists get very sad if you mention that Arabs are Semites.
Fuck the Zionists. FUCK THE ZIONISTS. Zionism is anti-semitic and not just because it’s anti-arab. It’s fuckin’ anti-jewish.
I agree. I was being ironic.
No I know. But I need the Zionists in the back to hear I said FUCK THE ZIONISTS.
Many Palestinians are/were Jewish.
Anyone left at the justice department for those hate crime charges? Seems like an open and shut case
One of the Israelis who got shot posted that he was the target of anti-Semitism and ends his message with ‘Death to Arabs’
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(Untranslated facebook source)
So basically, everyone involved in this incident is a terrible person. Lovely.
It happened I Florida so it checks out.
GTA VI will not be able to top the real world. GTA VII will just be a life simulator.
I can’t wait for Radio Cosmo Canyon
Did he get shot in the head, or was he always a moron?
Leopards, meet faces.
good god what a shitshow
Clown-on-clown violence
Always the fucking victims.
❤️Heart of Miami ❤️
Is that like the retirement home district or just a local name for a really famous alligators cloaca?
Famous Alligator Cloaca is going to be the name of my next experimental noise project.
“Welcome back, we will continue with the sweet sweet noise of alligator cloaca in just a moment, but now let us visit our sponsors over at the Elderly Alligator retirement home.”
*stick in bicycle spoke meme
Zionism is one hell of a cult.
Is that not edited in after the fact? Look at the fonts and obvious overlay.
It’s translated. He links to the original if you want to try translating it yourself to confirm.
Zionism is modern day nazism
Lucky us we have both Zionist Fascism, and good old Classic Fascism to deal with.
That comparison betrays your ignorance of history and present and is blatant antisemitism.
Zionism is the international policy uniparty position of the American government. Quite literally, that government is Nazism for thee but not for me.
Pretty sure that’s still just nazism
But Zionists are fascist
Ahhh the ol shoot em all and let God sorry them out technique
I like this article where instead of typical Florida Man term they used Florida Jew.
I love that, no matter who we elect, there’s never any reasonable movement on gun control.
(That’s sarcasm. I don’t love it.)
Biden was pretty shit on police accountability and gun control, but they did implement universal background checks for gun sales. Conversely, the previous Trump administration removed a portion of background checks for mental instability/incompetence.
So there is a pretty large measurable difference between who we elect on gun control.
I’ve been reading about dems making progress on “gun control” through the minimal “background checks” path since Clinton’s brady bill passed in 1993 and supposedly gave us the same exact thing. But somehow here we are 32 years later celebrating it like its new and was ever going to make any dent in the real problem.
Harris was talking lovingly about her glock on the campaign trail. What a fine example for children everywhere. The centrists have never led the party anywhere in terms of gun control, and never will. They dont care to solve the problem.
It’s almost like people keep electing the party who oppose gun control every other cycle, even worse in more than a decade we haven’t even given the gun control party a full 50 seats on the senate.
Its almost like Obama and Biden barely tried to do any gun control. Just hollow uncontroversial measures for political points labeled as “gun control”.
thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3…
politico.com/…/democrats-biden-gun-control-000240…
cwla.org/president-biden-signs-gun-violence-bill/
baystatebanner.com/…/biden-signs-executive-orders…
Biden expanded money for counseling and school drills, and banned 3d printed guns. Its hard to imagine a more meager performance on gun control. And Harris was about to dump it entirely, talking about her glock ownership on the campaign trail like an idiot.
The pure unbridled irony for a both-sides-bad voice decrying centrism.
No answer to the topic at hand, as usual. Always a dodge and weave. But sure I’ll let you dodge and reset the topic, why not. Its not like you cared enough to have an opinion on the issue of gun control anyway. So where were we…
Not as great as the unbridled irony as your crawling through a war crime sewer of political positions in the name of “harm reduction” and then losing anyway!
Looks like you win the irony battle. You always do, banjo.
aren’t israelis technically Palestinians since the region is called Palestine?
Whoa, whoa! Cool it with the anti semitism.
Aren’t both Israelis and Palestinians part of the group known as Semitic people?
Not really used as a term anymore outside of anti-semite meaning anti-jew
But yes, they are both in the Middle East
Technically yes, although the term “anti-Semitic” (as the German word Antisemitismus) originally became established through specifically anti-Jewish conspiracy writings in the late 1800s. So the term “anti-semitic” generally means anti-Jewish, rather than literally being against Semitic peoples.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Origin_and_usa…
It’ll be renamed to the “Holy Land of America” on Google maps any day now, so I guess they’ll all get called “Ameristinians” as a catch-all term.
OBVIOUSLY /s
They’ll probably call themselves Patresortians to reflect how great patriots they are to be proud of making such a terrible place so beatiful (in their minds).
Same way American emmigrants like to call expats instead of emmigrants
Somehow the takes responding to this post (tho satirical) just kept getting hotter
During the British mandate they called themselves Palestinians. Because of their independence they’re no anymore
Israeli prime minister Golda Meir said she’s a Palestinian.
The use of the word Palestinian changed over time. Before the establishment of Israel Palestinian was often used specifically to refer to Jews living in the holy land. Lots of Jewish founded institutions like airlines, newspapers, sports teams, orchestras were named Palestinian. They changed their names after Israel was founded.
The Arabs used Palestinian as their national identity only after Israel was established. The Palestinian identity as we know it today coalesced in the 1960s.
Before the British Mandate for Palestine, the Arabs in the region tended to identify as Syrian.
Here a link: www.britannica.com/place/Palestine
which refutes your claims in the last sentences but surely why should we trust britannica over a zionism apologist who clearly is pandering to their political agenda.
Your link doesn’t say what you claim it does.
I can’t teach you how to read honestly. You made some baseless claims without any evidence. I share a link that disproves your claims (btw I mentioned which in my previous comment). And your response is “nuh uh”.
How could I quote something that’s not in the linked article?
Stand your ground? Anyway, the differences between the brothers, Isaac and Ishmael, are minimal.
it will be the year 9999 and we will still be reading about the “Man in Florida”
BTW Free Palestine
Lol you think florida will still be a place past the next 100 years
It will live on in our imaginations. Like a shittier, meth-addled Atlantis.
I don’t think Africa would want its appendicitis back. it has enough problems as it is without the Florida men.
Nah I mean it’ll be 20ft below sea level
Or Palestine.
Did they condem Hamas though?
They literally did. One of the victims allegedly posted on Instagram some pics from the aftermath of the shooting and wrote “Death to Arabs” in Hebrew. Imagine the uproar and condemnation if someone posts the same slogan for them?
I miss the old days when all racism was bad.
Like all for all other Nazi-style movements, Zionists are going into the next stage of ethno-Fascism: the part were the Zionists start killing other members of the ethnicity they claim to represent for “not being White enough”.
(Just go check how they treat Ethiopian Jews is Israel if you have any doubt that they’re a white supremacist movement)
Those evil white supremacists Jews got out of their way to save Ethiopian Jews with covert airlifts. There were continuous efforts to bring Ethiopia Jews to Israel, lead by Natanyahu among others.
Sure there’s prejudice around skin color and discrimination, but isn’t this the case all around the world? Ethiopian Israelis have their struggles, but overall their community is doing very well. Bibi Netanyahu has many times publicly denounced racism against Ethiopian Jews and met with victims of violence. Here Bibi celebrates an Ethiopian IDF officer publicly as a hero to standing ovations. There are special scholarships for Ethiopian Jews to higher education and integrate them better into society. The IDF makes an effort in this field as well.
Let’s listen to what Ethiopian Jews have to say about this,
youtu.be/uBFN91t2z28?si=_udk-Q_6VVkwqNKH&t=236
Why do black Palestinians in Gaza mostly live in a quarter named Al Abeed meaning literally slave?
Oh it’s blatant antisemitism time again.
What about identifying the fascist nature of zionism is antisemitic, in your mind?
It’s Holocaust denial.
Ignoring the fascist nature of Zionism is is ignoring the holocaust that is currently occurring? Fuck out of here.
Nice Holocaust denial you got there. What’s happening in Gaza is terrible but not like Holocaust.
You can’t just call everything you disagree with holocaust denial. Doing so is holocaust denial.
That’s an incredible claim. How is it holocaust denial?
Uhhhhhh no it’s not. There is nothing about believing that Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people (they are) that prevents someone from simultaneously believing that the holocaust happened and was just as bad as is commonly understood (it did and it was).
It’s like saying that accusing me of being a thief is denying that time I was robbed.
It’s not antisemitism, it’s anti-Zionism. And accusations of Zionism being fascist aren’t new. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
An extract: ‘Albert Einstein, in a letter to The New York Times in 1948, compared Irgun and its successor Herut party to “Nazi and Fascist parties” and described it as a “terrorist, right wing, chauvinist organization”.’
But what would a genius German Jew who escaped the Holocaust know about fascism, right?
The Irgun were legit far right terrorists and committed atrocities.
Here’s what Einstein actually said about Zionism.
Albert Einstein was a socialist labor Zionist, which was the mainstream of Zionism back then.
Einstein left Germany in 1932 before the Nazis took power. His nationality was Swiss, not German.
To you Einstein is just a token Jew to use for your campaign of hate. You don’t give an actual shit about him or the Holocaust. They’re only tools to fight against Israel‘s existence. It’s the vile face of contemporary antisemitism.
I don’t hate you.
The group Israel famously chemicaly castrated.
independent.co.uk/…/israel-gave-birth-control-to-…
Giving someone birth control (depo shot) for a short time so they don’t pregnant during a transitional refugee phase is a sensible precaution. Yes, the women didn’t fully understand what was happening. This was also caused by language and communication barriers.
Calling this chemical castration is outlandish.
The whole story is Antizionist slander.
thedispatch.com/…/assessing-claims-that-ethiopian…
Racists are never the sharpest tools in the shed. Most racist man I ever knew was never wronged by anyone except people of his own race, go figure.
“Them wiggly letters and beards, they must be terrorists!”
Its Don’t mess with the Zohan all over again lmao
Is this a different guy from Florida Man?
Yeah, this is Florida Jew. Seriously though, it’s an Ashkenazi Jew who confused Middle Eastern Jews for Palestinians.
We don’t normally typify Florida Man as Jewish, but his being Jewish is kinda central to the incident.
They really take the Hannibal directive seriously