from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 16 Apr 11:26
https://lemmy.world/post/45676495
Europe has “maybe 6 weeks or so (of) jet fuel left,” the head of the International Energy Agency said Thursday in a wide-ranging Associated Press interview, warning of possible flight cancellations “soon” if oil supplies remain blocked by the Iran war.
IEA Executive Director Fatih Birol painted a sobering picture of the global repercussions of what he called “the largest energy crisis we have ever faced,” stemming from the pinch-off of oil, gas and other vital supplies through the Strait of Hormuz.
“In the past there was a group called ‘Dire Straits.’ It’s a dire strait now, and it is going to have major implications for the global economy. And the longer it goes, the worse it will be for the economic growth and inflation around the world,” he said.
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Good. Excellent 👌
Why?
Less pollution. Maybe people will finally learn to use trains again.
How tf am I going to travel from India to Singapore? Or Vietnam? Or France?
(Not actually going anywhere but giving examples)
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Don’t. Or pay premium. If it’s business let the company pay for it. If not, maybe just don’t go.
I mean, realistically, countries won’t run out. Ticket prices will rise and price out some users.
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There are also apparently a few large propeller-driven planes still out there that use aviation gasoline. Gasoline prices are also up, but I assume not as badly as jet fuel, given that diesel prices are up more than gasoline and jet fuel is close to diesel.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-6
That’s still in use, technically can do a New York-London flight (though I imagine that in real life, you’d stop in Reykjavik to maintain a safety buffer), and uses aviation gasoline. It’s got a cruising speed of 315 mph, though, compared to a (jet-based) Boeing 777’s 554 mph.
EDIT: Oh, but the only DC-6s that are still in use are in a cargo configuration.
EDIT2: Red Bull apparently operates one DC-6 in a passenger configuration.
That’s missing the point of maybe we don’t need to travel indiscriminately?
Why the hell would you want to go to France?!
Jokes aside, boats, ships, trains, buses, bicycle, hitchhiking, kayaking, walking, crawling, doing cartwheels. Theres a whole bunch of options.
Or you could just stay home or travel locally until the situation improves.
The example you need is called Zoom, or face time or…. Really this is just covid all over again.
edit: Wow, that’s a surprising amount of hostility. The fossil fuel world is ending, do people not realize this?
Video calling Eiffel Tower on WhatsApp is not a good alternative, imo
Official Eiffel Tower website:
www.toureiffel.paris/…/virtual-tour-eiffel-tower
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWKb5r-UMt8
Though…hah. They don’t allow viewing it in the US. Very French.
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I guess you could use a VPN with an exit node in Europe or a US territory — which, oddly-enough, they do allow — or something.
EDIT: Here’s a link that bounces through Canada and can view it:
The fossil fuel world isn’t going anywhere. As soon as supply is restored no one will have learned anything and nothing will be done to reduce reliance.
I’d love to use trains, but they’re so much slower and way more expensive. A return journey cuts into some very precious, limited time off.
I’m going to Berlin soon and I checked out the rail option first, it it’s just unfeasible.
Berlin?! What sort of a awful place you live that you want to go to Berlin? Its just gray and concrete, horrible place.
Visited recently and I loved it! Met so many nice people and visited so many interesting things. And I come from a very pretty city. ;)
I must have upset some Berliners with my silly joke :D Funny how I got upvotes when making the same joke about France :–D
Anyway, I’m glad you liked it. But in these trying times, I’d suggest people to travel more locally. But as a misanthrope, the faster we burn ourselves off the planet, the better it is for the fishes and whatnot =D
I agree, local travel is the way. I went there by train, so I guess that still counts. :D But I would wish train travel would be more affordable and EASY. So complicated to book trains which go borders. You really have to know all the tricks to get a good price. But I will train interrail that summer I think, let’s see how that goes.
Yeah I really wished there was some EU wide train system thing that would make things faster and less complicated. In fact, I’m baffled how that wasn’t done decades ago. One of the best ways to deal with climate change and bringing down emissions would be to subsidize, simplify and make things easier with rail travel. But we are lead by donkeys, so whatddyagonnado you know
My friend lives in the Netherlands, and we don’t see each other very often. It’s for a big birthday celebration for myself so it’s a bit of a one off trip, I’ve always wanted to go to Berlin. I think my last trip away was possibly 10 years ago!
I hope you have nice and fun celebrations :)
Thank you!
This 100% is the problem with bad policy.
Maybe it will get at least bit more possible after the new railway EU legislation passes this year but I am not that hopeful because they are just bunch of idiots flying business jets and don’t understand the problems there.
Tbh it is big lobby by national railway companies like SNCF that slow the prgress way down, they should really pull out their heads from their asses and recognise that cross European travel isn’t that much competition.
If rail could be cheaper I’d take the time to use it. But when a flight takes for hours is significantly cheaper it’s hard to justify 12 hours on a train or more
World cup will be cancelled.
So it is all good news?
I can get only so wet pleaeese stap!
News keeps getting better.
Brothers in Arms will have to go Down to the Waterline with their Six Blade Knife to save us from Industrial Disease.
It’s not easy when the whole world runs on Heavy Fuel.
And the birds up on the wires and the telegraph poles
They can always fly away from this rain and this cold
You can hear them singing out their telegraph code
All the way down the telegraph road
can we stop calling it iran war and start calling it usa and israels expansionist war?
To be fair, we usually also call it Ukraine war instead of Russo-Ukranian war or just Russian invasion or Russia Expansionist war. Makes it not less wrong, but you need to admit Iran war is a little shorter than your suggestion.
Shorter is better, so how about UIE war? :D
Anyway it was more about calling it iran war makes it sound like iran started it
I see where you I coming from, but I think it is short for war in iran, which makes kind of sense. UIE war on the other hand is really hard to pronounce though lol
[you-ay-ee] war? :D
Names with the same or fewer syllables as “Iran War”:
Vietnam War Iraq War Ukraine War Iran War
It’s just a continuation of the tradition of naming wars where a single country gets invaded by another is named after that country.
Epstein Files War? Wouldn’t wanna bait him with Trump War I
No, it’s the Epstein war
Same playbook: starve states until they not only bend the knee but kiss the dirt.
So … maybe we should reduce the number of flights right now? And maybe check which flights are serving a real purpose and which are just flying people around who want to shop or get wasted.
Ban private and charter flights. Only high volume commercial flights
Love the Dire Straits reference 🤘
They said this 2 weeks ago. Forever running out, but never getting there
Few weeks ago it was a specific airline company CEO said that their specific company had 6 weeks of fuel left. Now its the head of International Energy Agency saying that the whole of Europe has 6 weeks of jet fuel left.
Two completely different things.
So do people not understand that this is game over? We are in a zombie economy, it may still be walking but in reality it’s dead.
Even if the straits open tomorrow, planting season is ending with out the needed fertilizer. Smelters and pot lines for aluminum, iron and glass are going cold. They can’t just be restarted, cold idle make them giant bricks and damages them. Pharmaceutical manufacturing is shutting down, and also can’t just be restarted. Clean rooms must be re-certified before restart. Similar problems for micro chips production that uses helium from the gulf.
The global economy is having its Wiley E. Coyote moment. The floor is gone, but gravity isn’t doing its thing yet.
Did Europe thank the orange pedophile though?
Can we get this map (Paris before and after cycling was pushed) but for the entire atmosphere once the jet fuel runs out?
<img alt="" src="https://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/bc359fcf-6815-4f0d-b1c4-0366dbfdda05.png">
After much thought and googling, really that’s before and after dieselgate.
NO2 is a notorious byproduct of diesel engines at 10x the rate of gasoline cars. Dieselgate cars emitted 40x the legal amount. You can’t quite do this, but roughly that means a dieselgate vehicle emitted 400x the NO2 of a gasoline car. Aka a single dieselgate vehicle was equivalent of 400 gasoline cars.
Now let’s get the absolute number of cars. France had 984,064 dieselgate affected vehicles. Paris has about 19% of France’s population. Assuming equal ownership that’s 186,972 dieselgate affected cars in paris. At 400x the emissions of gasoline cars that’s the equivalent of a whopping 74,788,800 gasoline cars.
So replacing the dieselgate affected cars with gasoline cars (apparently the popularity of diesel peaked around then and has been declining since) is the equivalent of removing 74,788,800 - 186,972 = 74,601,828 vehicles off the road in paris alone.
Dieselgate was 2015 so the change between 2020 and 2024 definitely was bikes, seen by how the main car roads are still horrible and emission standards havent been tightened enough to create such a big change. It really is just less cars driven and less space where cars are allowed.
archive.ph/TdJ8A
<img alt="" src="https://leisureguy.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/paris-air-pollution.png?w=680">
It’s the same plot, unless you’re trying to split hairs between 2022 and 2024. The big change red to yellow/green is dieselgate.
Also, the fix for dieselgate was not isolated to 2015. That shit took years to get the vehicles off the road.
The difference between the plots is quite significant. Also european NOx emission standards for passenger cars have been unchanged since 2014 for diesel and petrol with diesel emissions only being ~33% higher than petrol which means there would definitely not be such a drastic change just from diesel being phased out. Also dieselgate was actually the “Volkswagen emissions scandal” meaning it affected Volkswagen cars and has therefore basically nothing to do with these stats about Paris because the french VW market share is ~7%. Also the thing is that the color of the roads in 2017 is basically the same for all of the roads, but since 2020 there is a clear shift to the big ring road, meaning there wasnt just a reduction but also a clear shift in where the cars drive. Clearly the pollution is highly localized so this change of banning cars from the inner city significantly improved air conditions for everyone but the people living right next to the big roads.
Plot 1 was 2007 to 2022. Plot 2 was 2007 to 2024.
Uhh this is about dieselgate illegally breaking the limits, not what the legal limits were/are.
I added the math to my original comment. France had 984,064 affected vehicles.
Yes and im saying dieselgate is irrelevant because it only involved VW cars which again only makes up for a small percentage of cars in france. VW cars alone wouldnt have been enough to create such a big change by themselves.
Thats around 2.6% of the estimated 38 million cars in france, so not a really important factor when the NOx reduction is something like 70% since 2007.
See my original comment for the math. The effect is staggering.
You havent provided any sources and your claims are nonsense.
This math is just nonsense. As you see from the emission standards, the NOx emisions are only slightly higher for diesel cars. Also the 40x number is about US regulations not european ones. Just find some actual sources for this maybe then come back and reply.
I think your math is confusing people here:
“Dieselgate cars emitted 40x the legal amount.”
40x the legal amount FOR DIESEL.
“roughly that means a dieselgate vehicle emitted 400x the NO2 of a gasoline car.”
You’re arguing that the legal amount for diesel is 10x that of a gasoline car, and by exceeding that 40x, they are more or less 400x a single gasoline car.
Now I don’t know if any of that is actually TRUE or not, I’m seeing a lot of the weaselly “up to 40x”, not that it was ACTUALLY 40X. It might have been 25x on average, we don’t really know. Still awful.
But the piece you’re missing is that dieselgate didn’t impact ALL diesel vehicles, it was specific to Volkswagen group. So only VW and Audi, and even then, only the TDI models.
Uh no I’m saying the actual amount is 40x and 10x. Not legal, actual.
And uh no I clearly have the number for specifically dieselgate affected vehicles. (Well 10x is for all diesel if you’re thinking of only that. 40x was dieselgate and "France had 984,064 dieselgate affected vehicles.)
Paris has to remove the low emission zone so old polluting cars are back in the city. Parliament just approved that.
So in six week we will have back out nights that were stolen some years ago by a dubious permission for night flights?
All thanks to terrorists trump
This is a good time for the EU to get its shit together on their train networks. Make one central portal for booking trains Europe wide, remove the no fuel tax subsidies and no VAT for airlines and apply them for trains instead, and invest in a network of night trains.
The European Rail Passengers Union recently started and is looking to advocate for solutions to some of these issues.
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