New Zealand: Minister slams misogynistic 'armchair admirals' (www.dw.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 2024 18:12
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After a New Zealand navy vessel struck a reef and sunk, some social media users have identified the captain’s gender as the principal cause. The country’s defense minister has slammed the sexist abuse.

New Zealand’s defense minister has called out “vile” and “misogynistic” criticism of the female captain of a navy ship that sank off the coast of Samoa on Sunday.

“Seriously, it’s 2024,” Judith Collins told reporters on Thursday. “What the hell’s going on here? Where’s a bit of decency?”

HMNZS Manawanui ran aground on a reef it was surveying about a mile off the coast of Upolu, Samoa’s most populous island, before catching fire.

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[deleted] on 11 Oct 2024 18:55 next collapse
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Kanzar@sh.itjust.works on 11 Oct 2024 19:04 next collapse

Not just that but I’ve seen posts mocking the captain for being a lesbian, and wokeness for why the boat crashed.

stellargmite@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 2024 21:34 next collapse

Meanwhile the NZ gov use this as a distraction while they display a disgusting lack of humility, regret, or compassion to the people who will be most affected by this. What an embarrassment. They behave as if this is a minor loss by the All Blacks, while traipsing around the world on trade junkets with smarmy CEO-like abandon. Talk about up ending NZ’s already tenuous reputation in the South Pacific, and with our long disrespected neighbour Samoa. Not enough that this gov are trashing our local environment and services within the country. They really had to cherry pick these trolls out of a sea of moderate response , most likely at the instruction of their PR social media and info strategy overlords. I’m sure the skipper of this vessel is suffering enough without her government (and employer) cynically using her as a political opportunity for distraction.

[deleted] on 12 Oct 2024 10:35 collapse
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Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 2024 01:10 next collapse

Every time something bad happens when a white man is in charge I’m going to say it happened because the boat/company/whatever wasn’t woke enough.

HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 2024 02:49 collapse

And that she was a DEI hire when her resume shows otherwise

Crampon@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 2024 22:10 next collapse

So dumb. The captain can be partially blamed if there was negligence considering planned routes going through areas with bad ZOC (zone of confidence), or bad knowledge of depth in easier terms. Which might be a reason as they were surveying the area. But that’s pure speculation.

Trying to blame anything on the captain being a woman is just ridiculous. The navigator on watch could also run the ship aground due to bad navigation, without the captain even being included in the process.

Every time a grey ship is in an accident people open their cake holes. Let the investigation do its thing, then come back next year spewing your shit.

Madrigal@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 2024 22:17 next collapse

Judith Collin’s is a truly awful person, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

tal@lemmy.today on 12 Oct 2024 02:12 next collapse

So what have they said yet about the actual cause?

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Sounds like nothing, but this is interesting:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNZS_Manawanui_(2019)

The sinking will be investigated by a naval Court of Inquiry.[46] “[Chief of Navy, rear admiral Garin] Golding said some parts of the inquiry would likely be public but others - for example where commercially sensitive information was involved - would remain confidential.”[47]

I mean, “security sensitive” would be surprising but at least something I’d maybe expect for a military ship, but “commercially-sensitive”? For a navy ship?

Only thing I can think of is that the New Zealand state was looking for oil or something.

looks more

She had previously served as the civilian survey vessel MV Edda Fonn in the Norwegian oil and gas industry.

Ah. Well, maybe that is a possibility, then.

Nighed@feddit.uk on 12 Oct 2024 13:25 next collapse

Lots of the oil exploration ships are custom built for the job. This one is old, but I would guess that there may be some design information regarding it’s survey capability that was marked as protected when it was purchased, even if it’s not really relevant anymore

meathorse@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 2024 05:17 collapse

Kraken konfirmed?

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 12 Oct 2024 04:58 next collapse

Everyone knows ships never ran into reefs before women existed

Frostbeard@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 2024 06:35 collapse

They slammed a frigate into an oil tanker in Norway. Oil tanker was being tugged and cant really manouver in a meaningful way, but the warship somehow didn’t see it in the dark. Turns out modern frigates are more floating radar/weapon platforms and very very brittle

InverseParallax@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 2024 09:19 collapse

Shit, we had burkes collide and lose sailors: www.navy.mil/Press-Office/…/3065656/

Which is weird, the old Perry class kept getting mined and hit by missiles and never came close to sinking, but that thing had the seakeeping of a duck.

If a Burke got hit by an exocet it’d probably be gone, the superstructure would burn and that would be it.

Frostbeard@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 2024 12:55 collapse

Think modern missiles are so accurate that they can recognize silhouettes and hit the bridge dead on so it’s better to be fast and “invisible” than though. When this is in your armament you really don’t need to be close I guess. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Strike_Missile

And from the look of it it have some radar invisibility en.m.wikipedia.org/…/HNoMS_Helge_Ingstad_(F313)

InverseParallax@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 2024 13:27 collapse

Yeah, the Swedish gotland is similar, the new frigates are amazing, just not as sturdy as the ww2 things that lost their bow and said ‘fuck it, full speed astern!’