moistclump@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 04:15
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The India-related stuff going on in BC and Canada sounds important and big. If I’m being honest though I have a hard time following it. There’s a lot of history and nuance I think I’m missing from my knowledge base.
v_krishna@lemmy.ml
on 14 Mar 2024 04:55
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Sikhs want Punjab to be its own country, separate from India. India post Congress is ruled by Hindu nationalists who want to rewrite history books and erase anything positive that happened in precolonial India (which wasn’t really a country in the modern sense, but a changing set of integrated states) under non Hindu rule. The BJP are fascist shit stains and literally ordering hits on Sikh activists abroad for trying to promote Sikh separatism. There’s really not much more nuance than that. Fuck Modi.
India came to be as a protest by the occupied against the british occupation. Everyone agreed that the british had to go. Now that it isn’t a threat, parts of it want their old identity back. As they were mostly different kingdoms before british and french controlled the sub continent.
Hindus have been taking credit for all the stuff in the region as the sole driving force, by feeding propaganda, rewriting history, by swallowing other smaller culture/religions and calling them reincarnation of their hindu gods. It just adds to the fire.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 13:26
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Why the duck does YouTube comply with this? Are they only banned in India?
fustigation769curtain@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 14:27
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Because they don’t care about their users.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 14:36
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Yes it’s a regional block. We can still watch it and so can Indians with a VPN. It will just not show up on feeds of non VPN users (and possibly India registered accounts)
This is especially important since India is committing the Genocide in Kashmir and does not want their population to learn about it.
MechaJutaro@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 14:15
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That’s what happens when we support “good censorship”, all the while desperately clinging to the delusion that things we agree with or would like to hear won’t also be silenced
floofloof@lemmy.ca
on 14 Mar 2024 14:35
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These big corporations always censor themselves so they can do business in countries with oppressive regimes. I don’t know how much difference it makes whether “we” tolerate censorship or not. They’ll do it anyway until there’s some disincentive for them to do it.
MechaJutaro@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 15:00
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Reference how censorius YouTube has become in regards to content creators here in The US. We won’t be effective champions for free expression abroad, if we aren’t doing so for ourselves here in The US
Nah, this is what happens when we put corporations in charge of censorship.
I definitely support “good censorship” as you put it. I want child porn to be censored, for example. If it wasn’t illegal, there’d probably be big money to be made there, and there’d be some people and corporations that’d be more than happy to fill that market niche.
MechaJutaro@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 19:06
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“Nah, this is what happens when we put corporations in charge of censorship”
The government should have some role in censorship.
MechaJutaro@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 21:44
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Yeah, they’re role is ostensibly in preventing most forms of censorship, and championing the notion that the way to curb shitty speech is with more speech. NOT by silencing things which run contrary to our sacred cows and favorite icons
The way to curb shitty speech is not with more speech. Just like the way to curb child porn is not more porn, child or otherwise.
MechaJutaro@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 22:32
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“Lol why would the governmentprevent censorship?”
In The US, The Constitution explicitly entrusts the government to uphold our civil liberties, free speech included. THAT’S why it’s incumbent upon us citizens to hold our civic leaders accountable for doing so
I think you might be misinterpreting “free speech”. Twitter can delete all of your tweets that say “Musk sucks”, and that is absolutely none of the government’s business. It’s not their job to try to convince Twitter otherwise. That’s not what free speech is about.
MechaJutaro@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 16:22
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The India-related stuff going on in BC and Canada sounds important and big. If I’m being honest though I have a hard time following it. There’s a lot of history and nuance I think I’m missing from my knowledge base.
Sikhs want Punjab to be its own country, separate from India. India post Congress is ruled by Hindu nationalists who want to rewrite history books and erase anything positive that happened in precolonial India (which wasn’t really a country in the modern sense, but a changing set of integrated states) under non Hindu rule. The BJP are fascist shit stains and literally ordering hits on Sikh activists abroad for trying to promote Sikh separatism. There’s really not much more nuance than that. Fuck Modi.
The documentary actually acts as a good starting point for what happened and what led up to it
The focus is on this particular event, but it gives enough background to understand it and also know what to read up on afterwards
Still hard to believe they killed a Canadian on our soil.
India came to be as a protest by the occupied against the british occupation. Everyone agreed that the british had to go. Now that it isn’t a threat, parts of it want their old identity back. As they were mostly different kingdoms before british and french controlled the sub continent.
Hindus have been taking credit for all the stuff in the region as the sole driving force, by feeding propaganda, rewriting history, by swallowing other smaller culture/religions and calling them reincarnation of their hindu gods. It just adds to the fire.
India also made YouTube ban this video on the Kashmir Genocide
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
video on the Kashmir Genocide
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Why the duck does YouTube comply with this? Are they only banned in India?
Because they don’t care about their users.
Yes it’s a regional block. We can still watch it and so can Indians with a VPN. It will just not show up on feeds of non VPN users (and possibly India registered accounts)
This is especially important since India is committing the Genocide in Kashmir and does not want their population to learn about it.
That still crazy. Fuck YouTube.
That’s what happens when we support “good censorship”, all the while desperately clinging to the delusion that things we agree with or would like to hear won’t also be silenced
These big corporations always censor themselves so they can do business in countries with oppressive regimes. I don’t know how much difference it makes whether “we” tolerate censorship or not. They’ll do it anyway until there’s some disincentive for them to do it.
Reference how censorius YouTube has become in regards to content creators here in The US. We won’t be effective champions for free expression abroad, if we aren’t doing so for ourselves here in The US
Nah, this is what happens when we put corporations in charge of censorship.
I definitely support “good censorship” as you put it. I want child porn to be censored, for example. If it wasn’t illegal, there’d probably be big money to be made there, and there’d be some people and corporations that’d be more than happy to fill that market niche.
“Nah, this is what happens when we put corporations in charge of censorship”
Corporate America and Uncle Sam are already hand in glove on this front rstreet.org/…/podcast-censorship-is-a-big-governm…
The government should have some role in censorship.
Yeah, they’re role is ostensibly in preventing most forms of censorship, and championing the notion that the way to curb shitty speech is with more speech. NOT by silencing things which run contrary to our sacred cows and favorite icons
Lol why would the government prevent censorship?
The way to curb shitty speech is not with more speech. Just like the way to curb child porn is not more porn, child or otherwise.
“Lol why would the governmentprevent censorship?”
In The US, The Constitution explicitly entrusts the government to uphold our civil liberties, free speech included. THAT’S why it’s incumbent upon us citizens to hold our civic leaders accountable for doing so
I think you might be misinterpreting “free speech”. Twitter can delete all of your tweets that say “Musk sucks”, and that is absolutely none of the government’s business. It’s not their job to try to convince Twitter otherwise. That’s not what free speech is about.
The culture of free speech is definitely under assault as well thefire.org/…/free-speech-culture-elon-musk-and-t… , this is true
Youtube needs to die.
It’s only blocked in India, while not great we can still access it and the information is still out there for anyone with a VPN.