Orcas sink tourist yacht off Portugal’s coast in latest attack
(www.the-independent.com)
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Given his record, I actually believe Bernie when he says this.
Yeah but no dead humans
As soon as there are dead humans, there will be dead orcas. Smart whales play it safe.
Orcas know not to leave witnesses if they do.
Those boats know what they did. I presume scraped some of their pod with propeller or something, they are revenging themselves.
IIRC the current theory is that it’s a game juvenile males started playing for fun.
Also, sailboats and orcas are not like powerboats and manatees. The notion that the boats somehow injured the orcas is not plausible for several reasons:
According to the specialist talking about it on TV here in Portugal, they’re pretty much just playing with the boat’s rudder and it’s the side-damage that might sink the boat (normally it doesn’t) and they don’t even know that they’re sinking it because the actual sinking happens hours later, so after they’ve left the area.
Apparently most boats “attacked” by orcas just end up with a broken rudder.
Orcas have almost never killed humans in recorded history. The recorded cases were either jailed orcas, or mistaken identity. There are however many documented cases of orcas offering catch to humans, and behavior like that. They “kill” boats, not humans.
I love orcas
The age of man is over. The age of the orca has begun.
I’m on team Orca. One less rich fucks yacht taking up space.
I don’t know who you consider a rich fuck but a yacht like this cost maybe $70k. It’s not much different than owning a car.
I doubt the cost of owning a thing end with the price of purchase. At least for boat you have to park it somewhere, maintenance for a yacht probably gonna cost a lot because it’s specialised. That’s why it’s usually for people with a lot of extra money to own one.
Yes it’s just like owning a car! Which we primarily use to get to work and earn money to pay for the car!!! What do you do in a boat??? Oh ya!!! Not working and scoot around all day. Must be nice!
A boat like this one? You fuckin’ live in it instead of a house (and at a much lower cost).
I mean, not this exact one from the article because it was a rental, but in general a lot of yachts in this ~40’ range are owned by couples and used for the nautical equivalent of #vanlife.
Yeah I sold real estate to a couple who was living out of a boat and traveling the world. He was a retired oil engineer, and it made lots of money and could afford to stay around and do nothing his whole life. That’s the point. It’s a position of comfort and personal decision. Just like van life Lmfaoo: rich kids pretending to be vagrant hippies. I spent a lot of time with them as a real vagrant hippie.
Lot’s of people have hobby cars. I don’t own a second car or a boat but I don’t consider everyone who has one rich. Those people still go to work every day and save for retirement. We’re talking about good wage job, not being a millionaire.
Right and I’m talking about how the good wage jobs have slowly disappeared over the last 20 years. I’m talking the devaluation of our currency and inflation of our necessities has not kept up with meager wage growth. They’re gonna offshore your job soon enough or replace you with AI. If you are still in the sailboat owning class, you are a demographic that’s getting more unobtainable to the non sailboat class. You don’t feel like you’re rich, but you were the net beneficiary of all of the subsidies and money printing of your own a house and a 401k.
So what am I supposed to do? Donate my house to the homeless? Or simply buy a gun and get ready to fights the poors when class war begins?
What ever you feel like brother, we’re in a post constitutional law America. If you feel like the system is going to protect you from the people it hurts then I guess fight the poors, if not idk do anything in your power to fight for democracy and decency? I’m just a casual observer for now, but I’m more focused on the food supply chain than the obvious authoritarianism. Remember during Covid when people were hoarding toilet paper? Overcharging for masks? Idk about you but I’m working on my food production lol
Why would I fight for democracy if the masses see me as their enemy? That’s what I mean. If everyone with more money they you (even wage workers) is the enemy than I guess I have to side with the system that protects me. What other choice do I have? Sacrifice my life for the good of the common people? Who am I? Prometheus?
Lmao: this country can’t even come together and agree that the richest 10,000 people can afford some austerity with the rest of us. I don’t think anyone needs to sacrifice their life for anything personally. I think we can all probably sacrifice some comforts for the sake of unity and equality, but I really think we can just sacrifice the billionaires, metaphorically I suppose. Or maybe we can just keep holding elections, voting more austerity for ourselves, more debt for our grand children, and more yachts for 0.000001%, and the promise that your kids won’t have to live like the second class citizens you have created.
Ok, so you’re saying that it’a enough for me to support higher taxes for the rich and we’ll be cool? The poor masses wont kill me in the class war even if I do have a yacht?
My friend. Any sane country should be worried about disenfranchising or starving a large portion of the population(>20%). I’m not going to be angry mobbing anyone. I’ll happily point the mob in the right direction tho ❤️ ya I would start focusing on voting on policy instead of party. I would figure out how to get the school lunches back on the tables. The food banks filled back up, the government oversight committees that protect citizens and consumers??? I wouldn’t sit around until regions have poisoned water supplies and you need nestle bottled water to survive? I would vote to stop accelerating these processes because it’s really fucking dangerous to everyone in the world.
A class war is just a cute thing the commies say. I’m just talking about civil disorder that comes with hungry people who can’t feed themselves. I’m not really talking about eating the rich. I’m talking about mass starvation across this country and complete breaking down of society. Anyone will look rich to a man who can’t afford food and clean water.
The real class war will be between people who ate yesterday and people who did not eat yesterday. I’m pretty sure there’s some food on that boat.
The billionaire class wants you to think someone with a million dollars is your enemy. And they want the millionaire to think you are their enemy.
But you know what the difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is? About a billion dollars.
The enemy is the ultrawealthy, and the more we remind the vaguely rich about this, the better our chances of actually changing things. At least that’s how I see it.
Check this out for context.
The millionaire class is the minority of the population who has enough time to engage in politics and prop up the billionaire class 🫡
My enemy is the one that is being incentivized to uphold the current government through their individual benefit in the face of my suffering. Most of this country is the enemy of itself and it always has been.
I ate yesterday. You’re saying I’m in the same boat (pun intended) as Bezos?
For now. Give it another 12 months for poor crop planning and trade wars to really kick in
The initial cost of a boat is like 1% of what the person ends up spending to maintain it.
There is a reason why people say that boats are, “a hole in the water to throw your money into”
And everyone has a $70k car, right?
The people in here defending private sailboats like it’s something anyone can do is insane.
Yeah let me just go out and drop $70k on a thing I use a few times a year in the water. Nothing rich-person about that…
I think it’s less about acting like it’s something anyone can do, and more about acting like it’s something people who aren’t ultrawealthy can do.
Having wealth isn’t inherently bad. It’s the distribution of wealth that has fucked our system.
Check this out for some context.
My car cost €8000, and that’s also about the budget I have for a boat.
My house cost $100k, and that’s also about the budget I have for a live-aboard boat.
Shit, I hadn’t thought of that, the poor, poor people who can afford $70,000 recreation craft. Won’t someone think of the sailboat owners.
Where do you draw the line? Who do you consider a “rich fuck”? I know a carpenter who restored an ultra light airplane. This rich fuck better watch out when the class war comes!
If you’re not living in a tent in a public park then you don’t deserve to live.
And people wonder why everyone hates leftists.
I am also Team Orca. It’s their sea after all, and we’re fucking it up.
What people think of when they hear the word “yacht:”
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The size of boat the whales are actually attacking:
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I know everybody wants to root for the whales attacking the billionaire 1%, but that’s not what’s actually happening.
The reality is even the small ones aren’t good for sea life. They’re destroying the sea floor and it’s quite detrimental to the ecosystem.
For someone with no prior knowledge - can you explain why is that?
I’m guessing he’s complaining about either damage from anchors or toxic effects of anti-fouling paint.
I’m not sure if this is the exact study I read, but it’s at least very similar. I’ve also seen tourists disposing of their waste and garbage directly into the sea.
Replied to the comment under yours instead of to you, so check that out. But the person who replied to you pointed out a few of the problems.
You “only” need to be a hundred millionaire in order to afford to maintain the one in the second photo.
A 40ft Bohemian? A five year old one will set you back €200k in good condition, and cost around 10% of its value in maintenance, mooring and repairs each year.
People have cars more expensive than that on their driveways.
Yeah, but people with more expensive cars than that are still likely millionaires. I’ve been thinking of buying a boat for years, but that boat would still be a lot smaller than these. (And I still haven’t because it’s not just the purchase, but also maintenance and mooring.)
Although friends of us do have a boat that might be that size. They also live on a houseboat. They don’t have a regular house, and if they have a car, I haven’t seen it.
So I guess middle class people can own a boat like that, but it takes sacrifices in other areas.
I’ve been thinking of buying a ~40’ sailboat like that (an older used one for <$100k, BTW), but it would be to live aboard full-time and become nomadic while either selling or renting out my house.
See? Then it just becomes an affordable (if cramped) house.
I’ve also known people who had their own massive custom built catamaran that they lived on. Traveled around the world on that thing, accepting paying passengers to travel with them part of the way.
…not if you are poor quick check on google. Found the world inequality database. Richest 3% of income is $250k per year usd 240 million people reach this level globally. Richest 6% wealth wise globally is around $1 million usd 480 million people have that wealth which i mean is a lot but that is probably all land and housing. Soooo yeah way less then 1% globally could really afford this boat.
You’d be surprised how many owners of 40-foot “yachts” own them instead of houses and live aboard full-time in order to save money (among other lifestyle reasons).
Sure, man. Sure.
Boats are typically considered yachts when they are or exceed 24 meters.
There’s no definition in dictionary, but here’s what Wikipedia cites for what to call a yacht: www.boats.com/…/when-is-a-boat-also-a-yacht/
This is arbitrary, and just an illustration of how anyone would call what they want a yacht. 24 meters is nowhere required, and this discussion repeats again and again
It is very arbitrary, sure.
I think a main thing is people who describe their boats as yachts usually aren’t going from paycheck to paycheck.
Belonging to a class is a matter of relationship with means of production, not of wealth. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people using their money earned through their labor for boats, especially in the case of sailboats, which are not environmentally as bad as yachts.
The problem emerges when the money are extracted from other people’s labor. Plenty of people can afford a sailboat, if they wish it, after years/decades of work.
The people who are on hourly rarely have yachts. Fishing boats, perhaps. Sailboats are more rare, but the random fanatic boatbuilder? I’ve seen it on occasion. But yachts? Nah. That’s some intergenerational wealth going there, inherited something or rich parents back loans which enable the person to start their own company to rip off the labour of others. I know a bunch of them, born with a golden spoon up their arses.
People don’t get rich working hard. They get rich by stealing the profit from the hard work of others. I’m sure you know this.
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Not every worker is an hourly worker. There are people who buy summer houses, there are people who buy boats. A sailboat like the one in the article (or in the OC) not only often is rented out, it’s not that expensive to buy as well.
Yachts are a different game, but I don’t care about the semantic of what is a yacht, the point is, small boats, especially sailboats, are something that some people buy for themselves as a retirement “gift” or something. They are workers and they deserve to enjoy what they saved during a life of being exploited, and this narrative that as soon as you live above the poverty line you are a billionaire is counterproductive.
First of all, you’re wrong: any sailboat that has a cabin for living aboard, even if it’s a shitty dilapidated Catalina 27 that you buy for $1, is a “yacht.”
Second, even if you were right, don’t bitch at me, bitch at the article writer. They’re the ones who first called it a “yacht,” even though from the video you can clearly see that it’s way smaller than 24 meters.
I found another article about the incident that contained enough information to track down exactly which boat it was: “Oceanview” owned by Nautic Squad Club, a Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349. Only 34 feet long, yet still described as a “yacht” by literally everybody but you.
By the way, most of the listings for that model of boat on Yachtworld are under $200k.
Fucking lol. The contortions!
And they spend 20k a year to maintain their car?
That’s more than many people make in a year. Get a grip.
If you’re not making 20k in a year you need to find a different job.
Sweet just point me to that different job. I’m in central Maine. Since we’re being picky please find one that’s over 60k. I have 15 years in management, sales, compliance etc
Maine’s minimum wage is $30k/yr
Your point being? Would you like to mention the average rent of a one bedroom apartment? Or the median wage, or let me know what the available jobs are paying? Are you upset that we managed to raise our minimum wage? We also legalize cannabis. Have you done that in your shitty state yet?
The post above yours was talking about earning 20k/yr.
I think it’s great that Maine’s min wage is at least ~$15/hr, and I even think it should be a lot higher.
I think you should avoid thinking people say things they did not say.
No I’m pointing out that OP I was responding too people doesn’t understand the local economy’s of this nation. Maine had lots of seasonal work, lots of part time work, and lots of bad jobs. Could you please help by finding me a job that pays more than 20k a year??? In Maine???
You’re right, many people don’t make 20k per year. But my point was that you don’t need hundreds of millions to afford a sailing yacht, and I don’t need to be attacked for adding some data to your comment. Perhaps it is you who should get “a grip” on your interpersonal skills?
most of Earth’s popukation makes less than $20k a year
Erm ackshually 🤓☝️
Many people rent them out. I know because I’ve met several people who use the service for their vacations every year. It’s quite popular, and sometimes comes cheaper than to actually rent an airbnb or a hotel room when split between multiple people.
Oh yeah, tons of middle-class and poor people own sailboats…
You would be surprised. Walk around a small town marina sometime. You have the rich assholes but you also have 75 year olds who move their boat once a year, if that, and struggle to pay shore fees and maintenance on a fixed income.
Not much different from a trailer park.
Oh that’s true I literally forgot about those people!
I would argue there are still not tons of them, but it’s a good point
A tonne of people is only about 15 people.
Oh no, the poor, poor 40’ sailboat boat owners. Whatever shall we do.
I know plenty of people who are by no means rich who live on boats that size. Its basically the marine equivalent of living in a camper.
My best friend lived on one for more than a decade. he got for like $3k and put like $9k of work into it. Had his first kid living on that boat because he couldn’t afford to live on land.
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That’s a whole different lifestyle tho, the orcas are not attacking the boat slips. Mad props to people who live on boats. In the 2008 recession it was a great housing option for the poor
You might be surprised at how cheap these things can go. They are a lot to maintain but may not be so much to buy.
Ha ha ha ha. You dumb bastard. It’s not a schooner… it’s a Sailboat.
That’s not my dad! That’s a sail boat!
A schooner IS a sailboat, stupid-head
You know what? There is NO Easter Bunny! Over there, that’s just a guy in a suit!
Orcas are more into the class war than the commies at this stage.
That’s cuz commies are too busy defending dictatorships to care about the working class
“Attack” or “Fender bender oopsie”?
Sink all the yachts
The orcas might be in danger if they keep this up 😬. Godspeed.
I would like them to mob Bezo’s yacht. One of them can leap over it Free Willy style, and snap up Mr. Bezos in midflight.
Yacht lol. It’s a sailboat.
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A schooner is a sailboat, stupid head
Good for them. I am pro-Orca.
I am so far on the Orca’s side on this. Get em!
Begun the animal wars have.