Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
on 05 Mar 14:58
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Conflicted on who I’m supporting here.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 05 Mar 15:21
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Iran loves to issue empty threats.
They’ve been crippled. Their ability to project artillery outside their borders is receding with every passing day. As soon as the US/Israel offer them a seat at the bargaining table, they’ll come rushing back just like they have every other time the US/Israel has pushed their shit in.
If you love getting rug-pulled, go ahead and root for Iran.
If you want to cheer for the team with the kind of blood-lust necessary to obliterate a civilization, you’d be better off cheering for the US and Israel.
The war just started. How do you even know what tricks they have up their sleeves? You think dropping big explosives from the air is the only form of warfare? How did that work out for you in Vietnam? This is the same hubris Putin demonstrated. Don’t jump the gun.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 05 Mar 18:43
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You think dropping big explosives from the air is the only form of warfare? How did that work out for you in Vietnam?
Yeah. Killing little school girls is all you can claim as an achievement! After all, little school girls are the field of expertise of your supreme commander, aren’t they?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 05 Mar 20:02
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We killed a whole lot of school girls in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq as well. Didn’t get the same kind of coverage, because the executive branch (and the public) were more disciplined in messaging.
But I think a lot of warfare is, at the end of the day, a libidinal need to “mow the grass” as the genocidal IDF leadership put it. Kill your enemies. Kill their families. Kill their kids. Depopulate territory of opposition.
Do I think dropping big explosives from the air works toward that end? Absolutely.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone
on 05 Mar 15:22
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well you can simply vote out trump at your next election if you wish
you can’t vote out a dictatorship
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com
on 05 Mar 15:36
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I kind of doubt that will be true. Don’t you think if our system actually worked trump would have been some how taken from presidency? Or at least something would be happening. Like anything real…
The problem isn’t the system. The system exists only to help the people maintain the upper hand. It’s the people themselves. Trump is only a symptom of a problem with the people. In fact, even if he drops dead tomorrow, you’ll find a queue of a couple of dozen even worse psychopaths waiting to take his place.
It’s hard to see the problem when you’re part of the US society. But it’s evident from the outside. An average of more than one school shooting happens in the US per day. This isn’t even a news these days. But it’s unheard of and unbelievable in other nations. If anything similar happens, it would be news and discussion for a year. You don’t go to churches or malls or railway stations (there is such a thing) worrying if you’ll die of gunshots.
Political assassinations are a big deal elsewhere - even of a political opponent. You should have seen the US republicans celebrating the murder of Renee Good and Alex Pretti. So the left must be good, right? Of course, they were celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The sudden disappearance of a human life is something most people can’t stomach. Yet, people were celebrating the gory videos!
Similar attitude with armies. There are no just wars. Wars always cause unjust and unimaginable suffering. Wars must be avoided. Of course that’s not an option sometimes. Then your aim must be to attain the objective as fast as possible and restore peace. But all wars are holy wars for Americans. They don’t even tolerate it when I suggest that even their military may be committing war crimes (that’s charitable, considering what’s reported). To them, their military is the righteous force that can do no evil!
This is part of a pattern of excess pride, often called the ‘American exceptionalism’. Americans also give little value to perspectives of people in other countries. Many behave as if the US is the entire world! Problems like the Trump-Epstein regime will continue to repeat until Americans start to introspect and self-criticize. It will happen until a big section of Americans open up their mind to the perspectives of others.
even if they voted for harris she still would have lost. she did a piss poor job at her campaign. if the primary actually picked her instead of joe dropping she’d likely have done much better.
why? all nations are evil. that’s a given. trump’s run to be another hitler has involved partnership with genocide and kidnapping and invasion of multiple nations.
he’s clearly the bigger evil here.
iran is a piece of shit but they’re not a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations.
The safety of civilians in the region. You don’t have to pick a side. We can simultaneously acknowledge that the Iranian and the US regimes are fucked up.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
on 05 Mar 17:49
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Solid choice.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 05 Mar 21:07
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Yeah I want both governments to fall and both countries’ people to thrive and forge a better future
capt_wolf@lemmy.world
on 05 Mar 15:14
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You can fucking have him… If he’s got any blood left in him and it’s not all just McDonald’s brand cholesterol™, you’re welcome to it.
I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world
on 05 Mar 15:20
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Unfortunately, they will absolutely take the blood of kids from low income families who got duped by sociopathic high school recruiters in his stead.
This sinking seems like a really big deal to me, but I don’t feel like it’s been treated that way. Everyone seems to react like it’s just another example of Trump being shitty, and it is, but also, we sank another country’s warship with a torpedo. That seems pretty momentous no matter what country it was.
SarcasticMan@lemmy.world
on 05 Mar 18:18
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This is only the second warship sunk by a nuke sub (HMS Conqueror) and the first warship the US has sunk with a sub since 1945. We won’t talk about the Russian cargo ship that “exploded” in 2024.
In the frame of war, this is big. In the frame of history this is huge. The lack of coverage and the apathy to it is ridiculous. This has never happened in our lifetime, well unless you are 80, so we have that going for us…at least its new lol.
It feels different in a few ways to me. One, it feels much more personal and “fuck you in particular.” It’s one thing to lob missiles at a base and fuck whoever happens to be there, but you KNOW there’s a real possibility that you kill every mother effer on that ship if you hit it with a torpedo.
I’m not articulating it very well, but it’s just got a different sort of cruelty that something like shelling an airbase just lacks for me.
I guess I can sort-of see where you’re coming from. Presumably when they’re bombing an airbase they’re trying to hit planes, destroy runways, etc. If you’re in the break room at the time there’s a decent chance you don’t die. If you’re working on a plane, you’re probably dead. But, when you sink a ship, everyone goes into the water and there’s a good chance they’ll die.
To me, the fact that it happened nowhere near Iran is the bigger deal. It means that parts of the world that aren’t aligned with either side in the war now have to wonder what might explode in their own territory.
OTOH, at least when you sink a military ship there won’t be civilian casualties. If the US had actually declared war on Iran, which of course never happened, but if… then another warship is actually a valid target. This isn’t like blowing up an apartment building because a guy on your kill list is in one of the apartments.
To me, the fact that it happened nowhere near Iran is the bigger deal. It means that parts of the world that aren’t aligned with either side in the war now have to wonder what might explode in their own territory.
I skipped right over that but it’s part of it for sure.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip
on 05 Mar 21:41
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Ironically, so does his medical team. Based on the bruising, wouldn’t surprise me if they’re having to draw blood constantly for all the testing required to keep his corpse functional.
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Conflicted on who I’m supporting here.
Iran loves to issue empty threats.
They’ve been crippled. Their ability to project artillery outside their borders is receding with every passing day. As soon as the US/Israel offer them a seat at the bargaining table, they’ll come rushing back just like they have every other time the US/Israel has pushed their shit in.
If you love getting rug-pulled, go ahead and root for Iran.
If you want to cheer for the team with the kind of blood-lust necessary to obliterate a civilization, you’d be better off cheering for the US and Israel.
The war just started. How do you even know what tricks they have up their sleeves? You think dropping big explosives from the air is the only form of warfare? How did that work out for you in Vietnam? This is the same hubris Putin demonstrated. Don’t jump the gun.
Killed a whole lot of people
Yeah. Killing little school girls is all you can claim as an achievement! After all, little school girls are the field of expertise of your supreme commander, aren’t they?
We killed a whole lot of school girls in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq as well. Didn’t get the same kind of coverage, because the executive branch (and the public) were more disciplined in messaging.
But I think a lot of warfare is, at the end of the day, a libidinal need to “mow the grass” as the genocidal IDF leadership put it. Kill your enemies. Kill their families. Kill their kids. Depopulate territory of opposition.
Do I think dropping big explosives from the air works toward that end? Absolutely.
well you can simply vote out trump at your next election if you wish
you can’t vote out a dictatorship
I kind of doubt that will be true. Don’t you think if our system actually worked trump would have been some how taken from presidency? Or at least something would be happening. Like anything real…
The problem isn’t the system. The system exists only to help the people maintain the upper hand. It’s the people themselves. Trump is only a symptom of a problem with the people. In fact, even if he drops dead tomorrow, you’ll find a queue of a couple of dozen even worse psychopaths waiting to take his place.
It’s hard to see the problem when you’re part of the US society. But it’s evident from the outside. An average of more than one school shooting happens in the US per day. This isn’t even a news these days. But it’s unheard of and unbelievable in other nations. If anything similar happens, it would be news and discussion for a year. You don’t go to churches or malls or railway stations (there is such a thing) worrying if you’ll die of gunshots.
Political assassinations are a big deal elsewhere - even of a political opponent. You should have seen the US republicans celebrating the murder of Renee Good and Alex Pretti. So the left must be good, right? Of course, they were celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The sudden disappearance of a human life is something most people can’t stomach. Yet, people were celebrating the gory videos!
Similar attitude with armies. There are no just wars. Wars always cause unjust and unimaginable suffering. Wars must be avoided. Of course that’s not an option sometimes. Then your aim must be to attain the objective as fast as possible and restore peace. But all wars are holy wars for Americans. They don’t even tolerate it when I suggest that even their military may be committing war crimes (that’s charitable, considering what’s reported). To them, their military is the righteous force that can do no evil!
This is part of a pattern of excess pride, often called the ‘American exceptionalism’. Americans also give little value to perspectives of people in other countries. Many behave as if the US is the entire world! Problems like the Trump-Epstein regime will continue to repeat until Americans start to introspect and self-criticize. It will happen until a big section of Americans open up their mind to the perspectives of others.
the dictatorship is capitalism here in the US. it also can’t be voted out.
It could’ve been. But dumbfucks threw a tantrum over Harris.
This is on their heads. Never let it be forgotten.
don’t forget: the ppl who voted 3rd party.
even if they voted for harris she still would have lost. she did a piss poor job at her campaign. if the primary actually picked her instead of joe dropping she’d likely have done much better.
While Harris would have been an objectively better president than trump, I don’t think voting for her would have voted out capitalism…
why? all nations are evil. that’s a given. trump’s run to be another hitler has involved partnership with genocide and kidnapping and invasion of multiple nations.
he’s clearly the bigger evil here.
iran is a piece of shit but they’re not a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations.
You don’t have to support anyone.
If you don’t pick a team you’re not in the game!
The only winning move is not to play
The safety of civilians in the region. You don’t have to pick a side. We can simultaneously acknowledge that the Iranian and the US regimes are fucked up.
Solid choice.
Yeah I want both governments to fall and both countries’ people to thrive and forge a better future
You can fucking have him… If he’s got any blood left in him and it’s not all just McDonald’s brand cholesterol™, you’re welcome to it.
Unfortunately, they will absolutely take the blood of kids from low income families who got duped by sociopathic high school recruiters in his stead.
Sadly, I had quite a few friends fall for it when Dubya did this. Surely we’ll take care of them when they come back this time…
Narrator: We will not take care of them when they come back this time.
Just sayin, were already gonna have to rebuild part of the White House…
I wouldn’t see any need to rebuild mar lago tho
what if we rebuilt maralago as a skate park and public restroom. so people could ollie and shit on his grave
That would be pretty sicknasty, I’d learn to skateboard so I could go there
skate parks are pretty welcoming. you could learn there!
At this point they can destroy all of western culture it’s all the same evil bullshit owned by psychopaths.
They can take the cholesterol too. And also the shitty orange dollar store packaging around it.
no we want to keep the cholesterol. biodiesel is valuable.
iran has been calling for things and threatening things for a while now
now does seem like a good opportunity to make good on those threats however it’s starting to appear like iran is the paper tiger we thought all along
Oh no. Anything but that. Don’t do anything to our beloved Trump…
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UPDATE: (no trade for us, I guess)
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Worth a shot at least. You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take, after all. Nice try!
Hey Iran!
Don’t forget about the rest of his family and all the sycophants that prop him up.
How much Trump blood they want? We can probably get like 30 L easy, if they accept in laws.
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I would never have thought the day of me agreeing on anything with those cleric lunatics will come, but here it is. We all want to see trumps blood.
I doubt that he has any left. Why else would he be so blood thirsty?
This sinking seems like a really big deal to me, but I don’t feel like it’s been treated that way. Everyone seems to react like it’s just another example of Trump being shitty, and it is, but also, we sank another country’s warship with a torpedo. That seems pretty momentous no matter what country it was.
This is only the second warship sunk by a nuke sub (HMS Conqueror) and the first warship the US has sunk with a sub since 1945. We won’t talk about the Russian cargo ship that “exploded” in 2024.
In the frame of war, this is big. In the frame of history this is huge. The lack of coverage and the apathy to it is ridiculous. This has never happened in our lifetime, well unless you are 80, so we have that going for us…at least its new lol.
Different from smashing their airfields with missiles? Or, is it different because of where it happened?
It feels different in a few ways to me. One, it feels much more personal and “fuck you in particular.” It’s one thing to lob missiles at a base and fuck whoever happens to be there, but you KNOW there’s a real possibility that you kill every mother effer on that ship if you hit it with a torpedo.
I’m not articulating it very well, but it’s just got a different sort of cruelty that something like shelling an airbase just lacks for me.
I guess I can sort-of see where you’re coming from. Presumably when they’re bombing an airbase they’re trying to hit planes, destroy runways, etc. If you’re in the break room at the time there’s a decent chance you don’t die. If you’re working on a plane, you’re probably dead. But, when you sink a ship, everyone goes into the water and there’s a good chance they’ll die.
To me, the fact that it happened nowhere near Iran is the bigger deal. It means that parts of the world that aren’t aligned with either side in the war now have to wonder what might explode in their own territory.
OTOH, at least when you sink a military ship there won’t be civilian casualties. If the US had actually declared war on Iran, which of course never happened, but if… then another warship is actually a valid target. This isn’t like blowing up an apartment building because a guy on your kill list is in one of the apartments.
Good points, especially this one:
I skipped right over that but it’s part of it for sure.
And it was unarmed, coming back from an exercise that was essentially a parade. Bonus points of shit!
I just learned that five minutes ago, and it really does make it even worse.
Apparently the US had pulled out of that exercise at the last minute. So it’s the dickest of dick moves.
Haha Trump launching tor-pedos
Just take him to Iran and tell him it’s for a blood test. Let the Iranians worry about collecting the sample.
Tell him it’s a test they don’t think he can pass. Tell him Obama passed easily.
We will absolutely not regret sinking it if you do that. How many warships will it take to do the whole line of succession?
Seriously. What do we need to do to get you to follow through on that? Is there a go fund me?
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
They can have him, and all of his appointees, and the billionaires as well. We won’t miss them.
We cannot forget that the administration is actively trying to architect a tragedy against Americans. It is high treason.
cnn.com/…/patel-fbi-national-security-division-fi…
Ironically, so does his medical team. Based on the bruising, wouldn’t surprise me if they’re having to draw blood constantly for all the testing required to keep his corpse functional.
Join the club guys.