Trump administration working on plan to move 1 million Palestinians to Libya
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from RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 16 May 2025 23:50
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from RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to world@lemmy.world on 16 May 2025 23:50
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In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.
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“It couldn’t possibly get worse”
Fuck’s sake. I want to cry.
Some people have no imagination…
Deficient, juvenile, and narcissistic. And they make all the marginalized groups they claim to defend suffer for it.
hug
Well, at least the Palestinians living in Michigan now know where the administration is going to send them.
It’s so nice watching centrists fantasize about deporting Muslims like republicans do.
Not fantasizing.
Literally said “this is what they will do to you because the Republicans are a fucking White Nationalist party”.
Oh look. We were right. So fuck off asshole.
Coming soon to Libya: new concentration camps
Soldiers for more war in Libya. They won’t have a say, it’ll be mandatory.
As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.
As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.
Not if you don’t admit it to yourself and others!
If genocide is all “centrists” care about then they would be fucking ecstatic over Trump’s policy not mad.
… Wait, that they’re getting now?
So they should be happy?
I mean, your argument is incoherent enough I think you need to consider an appointment with a mental health professional.
It just wasn’t an important issue when they looked at the polling data. The average American cares more about a lot of other stuff over ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
The incumbent administration looked weak in so many ways, that taking a stance against Israel would not have made a difference. Politically, it was just a wedge issue on the left. They needed to win the voters that moved from Biden to Trump, and the DNC was (and probably still is) entirely incapable of taking any big swings.
They lost because they actually expected to. Neither party actually gives a shit about democracy; power is just a mantle they pass back and forth. They are in a “you win this time” holding pattern waiting for the Republicans to fuck things up so badly that they can come back and win in '26 and '28.
I think the ghoulish cartoon you paint of Democrats foaming at the mouth at the ongoing genocide in Gaza is inaccurate. Let me be clear, there is genocide happening as part of ethnic cleansing for the entire promised land of Israel. I expect Israel to attempt to expand into Syria next, all the way up the coast to Turkey.
And yeah, USA will sell arms to whomever has the money to buy them, no matter who controls what branch of government.
Ok I am making assumptions about internal polling done by the DNC or the Harris campaign, but Pew and Gallup published poll data before the election.
It’s the cynicism that is bred by and fuels the political furnace. Cynicism can be understood and respected by your opposition.
Those decades have been spent working to keep progressive and leftist voices out of their party, especially ones that threaten their scaffolding of seniority and stability. They have actively prevented the DNC from what the right pulled off with the Tea Party Movement by tightening the reigns on primaries, disenfranchising and ignoring grassroots movements showing good faith, selling out to corporate lobbies, keeping fresh ideas out of policy by manipulating committee appointments, and so much more.
And are they sorry at all when their machinations play into the hands of fascists? No, they actually seem fucking proud of it.
I don’t think it’s as unilateral across the party, but the leadership certainly have let Israel and AIPAC too far up their ass. For politics it’s all just money imo.
Also, a lot of people do not care, especially older folks who remember Israel being scrappy in the 60s, or just care about how to pay for their health care or mortgage. Gaza and West Bank genocide is really important to the internet, but a lot of people in their 40s and up are not online much.
Yeah no shit, they fucking ass. I still voted for Harris with puke in my mouth, though. For me to back another Dem for president in the future, it needs to be someone I want to vote for. Otherwise, I’m voting for whatever candidate aligns most closely with my values.
I think we agree on the broad points, I just don’t think that the Harris campaign position on genocide was a big enough factor to swing the election either way. I believe all of their policy positions were calculated to protect party funding streams as much or more than winning the election.
The problems with Dems are so systemic, that it reaches far beyond that single campaign. How many congressional seats did they also lose? How many state legislatures are Republican super majority?
I’m not very clever on solutions, but involvement in local politics is where it starts. This is where I honestly think we are truly well fucked, though. People are too fucking busy and scraping by to get involved. Even though the people doing it for the Democrats are super old and burned out in most cases, they want young people to get more involved and will appoint them to positions and run them for councils and shit.
That’s what the right did. Grass roots shit, school boards, party committee headquarters, etc. I just assume someone else who is smarter, more qualified, and motivated is taking care of that shit, but that’s probably not the case.
Although not voting was the wrong move, It’s important to hold the democrats accountable imo. They essentially lost the election because they considered genocide more important then their consituents.
The fact is that Gazas fate would have been the same under both party. The way forward is to demand change from the democratic party to avoid such scenarios. Blaming voters implies it wasnt the democrats at fault in the first place for pushing apathy and genocide as their main platform. Even worse, it implies genocide somehow shouldnt be a voting issue.
The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.
Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.
It’s our fault and fuck y’all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.
Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.
If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.
Over it.
Edit: I’m not responding to any more of you kids who are trying to justify sitting on your asses. None of you have helped save a single Palestinian life.
You’re just spoiled Americunts who think you’re superheroes for doing nothing
There’s absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.
Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.
When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.
Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That’s the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of “not being Trump”.
Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.
I will blame people for a moral failing all I want. Y’all decided to latch on to ONE issue and didn’t give a shit who was harmed because of it, because suddenly, after over half a century of genocide, NOW you gave a shit
You did what the algorithm wanted you to do, and you don’t care who got hurt or is currently in El Salvador, because hey, at least your shit don’t stink
My trans son says “fuck you”.
You are a wannabe. You don’t give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you’d do everything you could to save lives.
But instead you decided it was morally superior to let Trump in.
You’re all bastards who have put my loved ones in danger.
Voting doesn’t mean I support genocide.
I guess I support school shootings too? Guess I suppose privatized healthcare as well.
You’re fuckin reaching.
I would be too if I assisted Trump regaining power
She didn’t support it and stated so multiple times.
Y’all just pick and chose what you decided to pay attention to.
Her campaign was fuckin tight. Y’all acting like it was just a bumbling shit show.
That’s the voters who stayed at home.
Cause Biden supported a two state solution and acknowledged Palestinians right to sovereignty?
Shit. I missed that one, kiddo
Be less gullible
Crab, we’ve been over this before, EVERY MONTH from becoming the candidate to the election Harris was advocating for an immediate cease fire, the release of hostages, and a two-state solution. Over, and over again.
Polar opposite of Trumps “sweep them out and take over.”
July: the-independent.com/…/kamala-harris-says-two-stat…
August: www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/…/index.html
September: pbs.org/…/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-en…
October: www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/…/3372480
Could she PERSONALLY negotiate it as VP? No, the VP has no real power unless the Senate is stuck on a 50/50 vote.
Could she PERSONALLY negotiate it as a candidate for President? No, US civilians are blocked from engaging in diplomatic action.
So a) not a function of her job, b) not a function of her candidacy.
ALL she could do was talk about what she would do if elected 1) Immediate cease fire, 2) Hostage release, 3) Two-State solution. July, August, September, October.
The “BUH BUH GENOCIDE!!!” crowd completely ignored what she was saying because they didn’t want to hear it, they are so crawled up inside their own assholes they can’t hear anything.
Harris is not Biden. Again, read her statements, month after month, after month. July, August, September, October.
She was far more likely to treat Netanyahu as the dishonest broker that he is. Biden was blinded by the history of Israel, Harris did not have that same handicap.
HER handicap was not being able to publicly diverge from Biden policy, she should have, but couldn’t afford to alienate the Biden machine.
thehill.com/…/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/
“No no trust us, I’m against Israel’s genocide, I’m just not gonna use any influence to stop it, I’m not going to make it part of my campaign, I’m going to tell people protesting the genocide to shut up and that I’m speaking. I am clearly anti-genocide, just let me keep with Biden’s pro-genocide polices.”
Whether you “believe” it or not is irrelevant. It was her position as stated publicly multiple times. That problem is yours, not hers.
In the end though, the desire to “save” Gaza will result in the extermination of Gaza because you simply wouldn’t listen. Good jorb!
And again, Harris is not Biden. Two different people.
4 consecutive months. Cease fire, hostage release, two state solution. Everything the anti-Genocide people wanted.
“Buh buh wE dOnT bElIeVe YoU!!!11!11”
And so we get Mr. “Do it faster, it’s making you look bad.”
Biden was NEVER selling weapons for genocide.
Biden believes, correctly, that Israel has the right to defend itself from repeated attacks by Iran, we will continue supplying weapons to do that, what Israel chooses to do with those supplies is on them, not us.
Should Biden have cut the supply when Israel proved to be a bad actor? Absolutely, but that doesn’t change the fact that Israel, as a soverign nation, has the right to defend itself and the US will 100% support that as we always have.
What they are doing in Gaza is not defensive, it’s absolutely offensive in every sense of the word, but that’s on Israel, not Biden.
I’m saying Biden did not sell them weapons with the intention of committing genocide with them.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvne94v1rdo
"The president has made clear Israel has a right to defend its citizens, consistent with international law and international humanitarian law, and to deter aggression from Iran and its proxy organisations.
“We will continue to provide the capabilities necessary for Israel’s defence.”
At no point, none, did Biden go “Sure, kill all the Gazans you want.” That was never his intent.
Biden, naively, believed supplying the weapons with good intent, the defense of Israel, would result in them being used with good intent.
They weren’t, but the bad intent is NOT why Biden supplied them.
Tired of your repeated bullshit crab. I’ve explained my position thoroughly, sourced with links.
You’ve engaged in enough misinformation and repeated flame wars here. You’re done now.
timesofisrael.com/harris-says-she-wont-change-us-…
Liar liar pants on fire
Weapons shipments aren’t part of the deal, as I said, she repeatedly called for a cease fire, a hostage release, and a two-state solution.
Israel has the right to defend itself from repeated attacks by Iran, we will continue supplying weapons to do that, what Israel chooses to do with those supplies is on them, not us.
If the dems had not known they could count on their base for being cowards, they might have considered the electoral implication of bombing civilians.
For what it worth i don’t even think you’re an asshole. You have been propagandized. Deprogram yourself man idk
So she publicly stated that Israel should stop, would fight to stop it more than Biden, and was pro-Palestine.
Right?
Exactly, she wanted a two-state solution and argued for it on multiple occasions as cited above.
Trump wanted waterfront real estate.
reuters.com/…/trumps-gaza-riviera-echoes-kushner-…
She said she wanted a two state solution.
She did fuck all to work towards it. The “two state solution” is a trope to enable Israel and has been long since before the genocide. It is not unique to the US. We hear it in Germany all the time followed by crickets when asked what the government wants to do, to actually move towards it. Fact is Harris denied an advocacy group for Palestinian rights to even speak at the DNC event, while Zionist lobby groups were welcomed to speak. It shows that the “two state solution” of Harris means to not even let Palestinians or people advocating for their rights speak, while amplifying Israeli propaganda.
Anyone who is serious about a two state solution would amplify Palestinian voices and provide the means to establish a Palestinian state while gutting Israels abilities to sabotage that, first of all by cutting all military and financial aid and enacting an arms and dual use embargo.
Harris has been lying the same lies like the US and other western countries governments have been lying for decades now. It is as obvious as the guys with the clowns mask and duffel bags entering a jewelry store not going to be there to make balloon animals.
Again, the VP HAS NO REAL POWER. The only role the VP has that has any effect whatsoever is when the Senate is stalled at a 50/50 tie. Other than that, the role is largely ceremonial.
So going into the election you had 2 candidates:
Who argued repeatedly for a cease fire, hostage release and two state solution for 4 consecutive months.
Who argued that the only thing Israel was doing wrong was not killing people fast enough.
We elected candidate #2.
timesofisrael.com/harris-says-she-wont-change-us-…
Liar liar pants on fire
Weapons shipments aren’t part of the deal, as I said, she repeatedly called for a cease fire, a hostage release, and a two-state solution.
Israel has the right to defend itself from repeated attacks by Iran, we will continue supplying weapons to do that, what Israel chooses to do with those supplies is on them, not us.
When she was presidential candidate she could have allowed people speaking about Palestine at the DNC event. She chose against it. It is that low of a bar she chose to ran into instead of stepping over it. Not even letting people speak about the atrocities that are committed. Not even letting them say that Palestinians are also humans who deserve to life and that the US should not aid in annihilating them.
Also when she became presidential candidate she could have said she will do things different form Biden, instead of emphasizing that she will do more of the same. She could have told the DNC to stop arming Israel immediately and demand a full ceasefire and access for humanitarian aid. This would also have been nothing more than demanding that the US administration should uphold the law of the US, which prohibits arming people attacking and interfering with US aid. She could have threatened to step down, saying she would not be the face of more atrocities.
She didn’t do any of that. She chose to repeat the same tired rhetoric while ensuring that not only the genocide machine stays well oiled, but the propaganda machine in the US too.
She could have, and watched the $100M AIPAC dollars turn against her in a heartbeat. She’s not stupid.
theguardian.com/…/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elect…
The Palestinians are on the right side of history, but they don’t have the money to run a political campaign. AIPAC does. Not saying it’s right or preferable, it’s simply the fact of American politics.
So she took the AIPAC money and lost. Instead of taking side with the people and have millions of people come out in support for her, which would have been worth more than anything AIPAC could afford.
She would not have had millions of people supporting her, she would have lost millions of Jewish voters and lost even harder.
It doesn’t matter what she SAY she want if she commited to sending bombs to one party.
Look mate I know it must be hard for you to realize you don’t have a voice in this but maybe you should direct your outrage at the people in charge instead of policing what can be said about your favorite genociding party.
The people in charge are the Israelis and they absolutely need their asses hauled up before a war crimes tribunal in the Hague.
Blame the correct people. Israel isn’t using US sniper bullets to kill kids, they have plenty of their own.
You also said Biden just had to send those bombs to defend america against Iran. Why would anybody takes what you seriously?
She was lying, fucking duh
You’re rewriting history. People stayed home because they refused to vote for genocide, and that’s what Democrats offered unapologetically. You don’t get to blame the voter for not choosing between genocide or genocide plus, you’re not morally superior for voting for Harris.
Yes I do. And yes I am.
You said “I don’t care what the trolley does because this test isn’t moral”
The rest of us actually made a choice.
Get fucked. You helped put my trans son in danger and I don’t fuck with ANY of you fucks cosplaying as revolutionaries.
You’re children.
Quit using your trans son as an excuse, you supported a pro-genocide party because you were willing to trade the lives of innocent palestinians to secure your own security and comfort.
“I can’t be pro-genocide, I have a kid I only care about when it wins me a victory on the internet aginast people with consistent morals.”
Quit assuming literally everyone who voted blue loooooves genocide.
I’m sorry you don’t have a sense of nuance in your life. Must be easy having a black and white existence.
Get fucked, kid.
There’s no nuance to be had, you’re comfortable trading the lives of countless palestinians for your own comfort and safety, it’s actually just that simple. You deserve Trump and worse.
When people stop saying you’re a fool for being a “single issue voter” against genocide and that Harris had to support genocide to win, I will.
I’m trans. I voted for Kamala, but I have zero hate on anyone who didn’t due to Gaza.
The Democrat’s problem isn’t just Gaza. It’s what the enabling of a genocide signals and means. If you will enable a literal ethnic cleansing, what won’t you do? You’ve literally already elevated things to full-on Hitlerian levels. If you’re willing to do that for political power, there is nothing you won’t do.
And as we’ve seen recently, Democrats have frequently thrown trans people under the bus. Even Kamala didn’t even try to refute the endless barrage of anti-trans ads thrown by the Republicans.
When asked if she supported trans care for inmates, do you know what she said? She said, “we’ll follow the law.” She was defending her past actions as California attorney general to provide trans prisoners gender-affirming healthcare. But when given the perfect opportunity to stand up for trans people everywhere, she said that she only did it because it’s what the law required of her.
Someone who actually gave a shit about trans lives would never say something like that. Instead they would say, “of fucking course prisoners get trans healthcare. Trans healthcare is medically-necessary care. It saves lives. To deny someone that care or to force them to detransition is literal torture. We sentence people to prison. We don’t sentence them to torture. We give inmates gender-affirming healthcare because to do otherwise is cruel and unusual punishment.”
That’s how you actually answer that question if you have an ounce of empathy in your soul for trans people or any understanding of the issue at all. If you make trans care some frivolous thing that can be denied to prisoners, then all trans identities are frivolous and undeserving of legal recognition or respect in any context.
And there are far worse Democrats than Kamala. Plenty of centrist Dems are willing to throw trans people under the bus if they can earn cheap political points. It turns out that if you’re willing to support a literal genocide, then persecuting a small minority group isn’t that big an ask. Once you’ve committed murder, shoplifting isn’t something you think twice about.
Side note: while the Gaza genocide was absolutely a factor for many people, I really don’t think most of the voting base used that as the basis for their vote (or for staying home). Americans by and large have become wildly selfish and egocentric, as a society (and I say that as an American who does their best to be an outlier in that regard). I really do think that the biggest determinant of a person staying home was fatigue at the status quo, and a couple of years of 10% inflation alongside the fact that everyone in the DNC was trumpeting about how great the economy was doing, while a VERY large percentage of the populace had lived through at least two “once in a lifetime” economic crises, and the playing field continues to get visibly worse as time goes on.
Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.
They already realize it and don’t care.
What evidence do you have for your claim that things are worse in Gaza under Trump than they were under the Biden/Kamala path?
Note, rhetoric is not evidence. Trump lies all the time. Biden lies all the time. Trump says he would like the US to ethnically cleanse Gaza, but he’s taken no actual steps towards that end. And Biden also tried to negotiate resettlement of the Gazans to other countries.
All I’m seeing here are vibe. You see someone who is objectively a bad human being, and you decide that they must be the worst possible person on Earth for every conceivable category. Trump can be far worse domestically than Biden while still being equivalent to him in terms of Palestine.
So again, don’t quote me rhetoric. I don’t care about Trump’s verbal diarrhea. What actual material things can you point to that are different from what Biden was allowing without any resistance? Because I think you’re mostly just going on vibes.
You’re asking me to compare Biden and Trump.
Was Biden or Kamala talking about how great it would be to have a resort on the beach there, oh wait. That’s rhetoric, and in no way is that a reflection of their actions or intentions.
Where y’all at now, anyway? Haven’t seen any of you protesting lately. Don’t you still give a shit, or has the talking point you used to stay at home done it’s job?
I don’t owe you a god damn thing.
I voted for Harris and I blame the democrats. They knew the stakes, they know the populist moment we’re in, and they decided that their best strategy was to take all the excitement and buzz of the new Kamala candidacy and say “we’re not going to really change anything; if things suck for you, no they don’t, actually, you’re just stupid lol; anyway, look, here’s Katy Perry and Barack Obama lecturing down to a bunch of black men.” The DNC twisted Kamala’s arm to make sure she didn’t insult Biden by saying she’d do anything different, because protecting the feefees of long standing and well regarded party members is more important than winning or getting shot done. The DNC decided to stack Kamala’s campaign with the same staff that lost the HRC campaign. Nobody made them decide that celebrity guest appearances were more important than proposing actually good changes to get out the vote, but here we are.
With regards to Israel / Palestine, watching this unfold under Biden reminded me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the one soldier was going “shhh” while pushing a knife into the other soldier. And someone else watching but not doing anything about it.
Remember that Biden flat out lied to the American public. He will be remembered for his complicity in genocide, and there is absolutely nothing he can do to prevent this legacy. History is written by the victors, but younger generations get the last word.
Trump is certainly worse for Americans, and I voted with this in mind, but both sides are fucking awful for Palestinians.
Biden would have let his buddy BiBi literally kill every last one is us, don’t kid yourself.
Thank God we didn’t let that happen…
World opinion on Israel is deteriorating, and has been deteriorating for decades. Punishing democrats enabled the current administration.
Trump is an accelerant. He is currently helping BiBi kill Palestinians at a rate and scale that will bring him closer to his goals, faster than the world finally turns on him.
The Now is consequences of poor voting decisions.
So maybe harris shouldn’t have hitched her wagon to that particular horse.
What makes you think the Biden administration would have done anything differently?
Do you honestly believe they would have gotten in the way of what Israel wants?
Remember how Biden wasn’t running for reelection? Yeah no one else does, either.
My basic observation skills and low tolerance for bullshit.
I’ll go out on a limb here, and say that Kamala Harris would not be working to ship Palestinians to Africa.
You know what? I think that Netanyahu’s progress (murder rate) would be much much lower than it is today.
Mussolini or Hitler. Should I pick the least worse?
… Yes, yes you absolutely should.
There is literally no comparison there, you absolute grapefruit, Hitler killed something like 30 million people all told, mussolini killed maybe thousands max.
“haha, should I shoot myself in the leg, or in the head, hurr durr!”
Fucking children.
First one then the other.
Whichever was weakest to eliminate the strongest, then rinse and repeat.
Your insane childishness is thinking that either matters.
Both need to lose, the GOP should always lose and be destroyed, that’s the actual end goal.
Hitler was winning. He was exterminating Stalin who would have lost without our help.
And Stalin killed as many people as Hitler eventually had before the war even started.
I don’t care about Hitler or Stalin, but I’ll ‘ally’ with either to make sure both die painfully.
Destroying the GOP is my only goal, there’s time to think past that when it’s done.
Btw, in this metaphor, we beat both, and we did it well.
Edit: Stalin stronger than Hitler, hahaha.
Worthless dickless genocidal fuck got his ass handed to him by a handful of Finns, just like their great grandchildren are being made bitches by Ukraine.
Voting against them worked 3 times out of the last 5.
Should have worked more but people didn’t understand the only thing that matters is causing the GOP pain.
LOL. The end cracked me up
Yep either party will allow Israel to kill children which is a no-brainer. US needs a third or fourth party.
Or tenth?
Or have everyone who isn’t republican vote for themselves to split the vote further?
Honestly at that point just have them vote GOP, it has the same effect.
Pick the party that Benjamin Netanyahu wouldn’t be willing to give a solid gold pager as a gift/public relations gesture.
Considering they gave a silver pager to fetterman, that’s not the win you seem to think it is.
Let’s be real, the Biden administration didn’t achieve one single thing to slow things down. While they wagged a finger with one hand, they handed over billions of dollars of bombs with the other. They arranged peace talks that Israel super super promised they’d finally show up to this time and then didn’t for the seventh consecutive time in a row, and the Biden administration went “okay” and handed them more bombs. Maybe Trump is objectively worse, but it’s hard to imagine that a Harris presidency would be meaningfully better in this particular regard based on the actions, not the words, of the Biden administration.
Edit: to be clear, I voted for Harris, because I still wanted to reduce harm, but I really was expecting the older, more powerful, more pro-genocide voices in the party to be steering the wheel here, not Harris.
Maybe hurricanes are windy.
Ehh. Is there a meaningful difference between “we’ll help you do genocide and pretend to feel bad about it” and “we’ll help you do genocide and build a casino on top of the bodies”? One feels worse, for sure, but the functional distinction is marginal.
To me, this is an unscientific position. What actions on Gaza has the Trump regime taken that are demonstrably worse than what the Biden administration allowed? Are you forming your judgements based on faith or actual critical thought and observation?
Yes, Trump says a lot of things that are worse than those Biden said. But politicians lie all the time. Biden lied about trying to rein in Israel, and Trump so far has blustered a whole lot about mass atrocities he would like to do. But he hasn’t actually done those.
Again, forget the rhetoric. Trump is a dancing rage clown and you’re getting distracted by by the clown.
What has Trump done, MATERIALLY, in Gaza, that is any worse than what Biden did? Again, not rhetoric, actual real-world actions.
I often see this question asked, and I wonder if those asking have been asleep the past few months?
Under Biden:
Under Trump:
As a result people now face mass starvation and the prospect of being fully ethnically cleansed.
I understand Biden was extremely disappointing. I thought he was too. But we shouldn’t kid ourselves that he was in any way equally bad as Trump has been. And given what Trump and Israel have been saying, the worst is likely to come.
As I recall, Israel almost always said they would go to these, and then didn’t, without even telling the Biden administration they were going to miss it. They’d just dead ass no show and leave the Biden team twisting in the wind. Then team Biden would say “well, okay, I guess we have no choice but to give them more bombs.”
My dude, the way I remember it, we had to build a float dock because Israel wouldn’t allow any aid to come in by ground, and for the little bit they did, they murdered the people who tried to get it. Then, the float dock broke up, and we all just kind of shrugged.
I am one hundred percent convinced that you have zero interest in this, other than to be an agent of chaos.
If you cared at all in any capacity, you’d be intensely aware that Jared Kurschner has spoken about sales of beachfront Lebensraum.
I suspect that Donald Trump’s son in law discussing real estate sales of Palestine shows up nowhere in your online outrage.
I one hundred percent expect that you will pivot back to Democrats Bad.
If the US ever gets to have another presidential election, the account you are using here will never scrutinize what the Trump administration has done, but you will do your utmost to say Both Parties Same.
It’s the duty of every human being in the world not to support criminal rulers with blood on their hands and to call them out. Instead of accusing people who didn’t voted for murderers you should take your time to inform yourself and realize that the US government and many other government around the globe have been assisting and supporting israel government for decades
60000 had died in gaza by last year asshole. This shit right here. I don’t want to see this. This is horrible news and I find it so shocking that some dumb american makes it about their electoral choices. You’re a monster in my book. Fucking die.
PS sorry your favorite genocider lost, I’m sure it’s very hard for you
Send the Israelis to Libya instead
While I don’t think it does us any favors to front-load any plans for the future with “just send <group> to <place>”, it’s also good to point out that a chunk of them are originally from Libya in the first place.
Nah, they would colonize it. Send all the Israelis to America where they can suffer.
ItS nOt A gEnOcIDe!
Wow. He did manage to top what people said Harris would’ve done.
/s no maybe not
Harris said her support for israel was unweavering, whatever that meant.
Quit making this genocide about you. Sorry to say, your voice didn’t matter. Bad shit are done in your name, by both side of the political spectrum. You have all the right to be mad, but target your rage at the people in charge.
Dare I say… both sides?
It’s a lot easier for centrists to direct their anger at the left they actually hate instead of trump.
There’s a 0% chance democrats would do anything to oppose Israel.
Nothing btonsee here people, just a government working diligently on genocide, nothing to see here
Libya: “yeah sure we’ll home them…”
Sure am glad DOGE found all this money for the racist fucks to do things like this. Fuck Elon and the talking Cheeto.
They didn’t find all that much.
Enough for a packet of biscuits, I heard.
I haven’t seen any evidence DOGE has saved any money at all. Most if not all estimates say his cuts to the IRS increased the deficit despite all his other cuts.
The point of doge was to steal government data. Not to save money. The firing of essential workers was a distraction tactic to divert your attention away from the fact musk now has information about everyone who has had any contact with the government. They’ll have left a bunch of backdoors into the systems now as well.
Moreover, Kennedy has already set up his database of neurodivergents and the rounding up of undesirables will start when Congress goes into recess this summer. Also they’ll use the data they’ve taken from 23 and me etc to try and round people up based on their genetic profile. I’m not sure it matters to them whether they get it right.
Y’all need to get out before the end of July. IMHO
What gives them the authority to “plan” the lives of 1 million people halfway across the globe?
Who’s gonna stop them?
The first line (diplomacy):
Several factions in the Libyan government have warm relations with Turkey. Turkey has so far antagonized with Israel over the matter of Gaza. It’s not hard to predict that factions in the Libyan government, upon Trump’s likely blackmail (he can do little else) to accept the deportation of million ethnically cleansed Palestinians, would receive a phone call from their Turkish, Quatari, Algerian and Pakistani backers, telling them to “stop discussing that nonsense” and asking them to reject Trump. So, most likely the Libyan government will fail to reach a consensus.
The second line (politics):
The Libyan parliament will not support it. Parliament may remove the government if it’s doing something unpalatable
The third line (war):
Libyan people will not support it. Various factions may rebel again and restart the civil war if they see the government acting seriously against their wishes.
The US Military was a well-oiled machine before January 20, 2025. Now it’s a machine whose oil is driving more than all other machines and is about six months past its due date for an oil change. They’ve announced a bunch of plans for more trips, but nobody’s changing the oil anymore.
77,302,580 stupid assholes and the world’s most powerful military.
Exactly. I want to know how and why anyone would think that this is ok.
Take the Palestinians in and we will release your own money.
This is genocide. What’s more is that even if Israel annexes all of Gaza and the West Bank, people are kidding themselves if they think they’re going to stop there.
It’s almost like Israel needs Lebensraum…
Germany will give Israel Poland to “appease” them. I know this probably won’t happen, but given their recent video taped treatment of localized Palestinians, I don’t think it’s a 0% bet.
I’m betting this isn’t even about Palestine.
This is to give the US military experience with mass deportations/genocide (look up the definition of genocide, mass deportations are included in the definition) and to dull them to the idea of doing it domestically.
If the USA has any hands in this other than administrative/diplomatic then it’s probably an excuse to genocide them directly instead of just selling ammo to Netanyahu.
Jesus christ how self-centered can you be
Does this means that they plan to leave only 1 million survivors put of the 2 millions+ inhabitants in the Gaza strip? That means 1 million deaths, not 52K something as we´re being told.
Literally taking notes from the nazis…
You’re now banned from feddit.org
Sounds like a good thing.
…and the fucking Russians. Those bastards changed the European borders and murdered anyone who disagreed.
Not so fun fact, but the nazis based a lot of their shit on the US’s treatment of native Americans, and slaves!
More not so fun facts: Israel is also asking, you Europeans did it in the Americas, Australia and Russia, and sit pretty on top of stolen land but now you have yours are playing holier than thou? It’s quite the sinking feeling that we had some moments when we thought we’ll escape our fucked up nature. I hope we can find a way to put the genie back in cause I’m hating this.
Yup, a lot of cultures are guilty of doing this. In this day and age, we should know better and live and let live.
Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away. It’s of course a shitty thing to do, but I’m getting kinda annoyed by how often people use nazis as an example for something when they were far more evil than anything that exists today, essentially downplaying or borderline normalizing nazis because of how commonly it’s now used for real life examples.
This is false. The Nazis originally planned to deport the Jews. They changed to extermination once their deportation plans stopped being practical. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan#Plan_abando…
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In other words, by focusing on the end point of the Holocaust and ignoring its starting point YOU are normalizing nazi-like plans that have every potential to escalate.
…dude, I literally talked about what happened, not what was theoretized. Do you have any idea how brutally evil things have US or other countries theoretized? Thinking and doing are two very, VERY different things. Didn’t know this needs explaining.
I responded to what you actually wrote:
You described intent, i.e., “thinking”.
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PS. Genocide is not a single event in time, it’s a process. An easy way to educate yourself on the matter is by searching YouTube for interviews of Omer Bartov, world renowned Israeli scholar on Genocide and the Holocaust, prof at Brown.
I mean, they were doing it and would have finished doing it if it wasn’t for a world war, so definitely not just thinking
This is also false. The mass killings started in the middle of 1941 after the invasion of the Soviet Union. The systematic policy of extermination was decided in January 1942 in the Wannsee Conference.
There was quite a lot of thinking before doing. And there was quite a lot of doing smaller steps before doing bigger steps. Just like there was quite a lot of thinking smaller steps before thinking bigger steps.
Give it a rest buddy, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Says I’m false
Proceeds to tell me I’m true.
Look buddy who knows it all, when Israel actually decides to kill those million Palestinians instead of moving them, get back to me abd I’ll apologize for my ignorant statements, but as of things stand now, I cannot take you seriously when you push for extreme comparisons while nit-picking how it all started.
Your argument somewhat reminded me of the “weed is a getaway drug to stronger drugs” argument. No, that’s not always the case.
You’re not engaging with what I’m actually saying, so this is the last you hear from me.
You said: “Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away.” I pointed out that’s historically inaccurate. They started by trying to move them. They ended by killing them. That evolution of intent matters. Genocide isn’t a light switch, it’s a dimmer. And it always starts with the “just move them away” stage.
This isn’t about scoring points. It’s about understanding how atrocities actually unfold.
You keep insisting I’m making “extreme” comparisons. But all I’ve done is point to a well-documented historical pattern: the Nazis didn’t begin with gas chambers. They started with deportation plans, ghettos, and forced removals. That’s not hyperbole: it’s basic historiography.
You’re also still conflating intent with outcome. You said the Nazis “wanted to kill them all,” as if that was the plan from the outset. It wasn’t. The policy evolved over time. That’s the entire point — and it’s exactly why early-stage actions do matter.
When people defend or downplay proposals to forcibly remove an entire population (not in the chaos of war, but as formal policy) the comparison isn’t extreme. It’s cautionary.
You can roll your eyes if you want. But history doesn’t start at Wannsee. And it doesn’t repeat itself with a neon sign saying “genocide incoming.” It creeps.
And that “weed is a gateway drug” analogy? It’s off. A better one would be: “Heroin addiction doesn’t start with heroin — it starts with normalized misuse of something seemingly minor.” That’s the progression I’m talking about.
Anyway. I’ve said my piece. History’s just not on your side here, buddy.
Historically inaccurate in early years when barely anyone paid attention to nazi germany.
Historically accurate in relevant years.
But do you not see how this argument is flawed? Evolution is not a one way street. It takes different routes. Just because something starts with x does not 100% mean it will always end with y, especially in vastly different timeline where I highly doubt this can happen with masses in a country that got all eyes on them. They’d be done and they know it.
Your historical documentations about what happened in country X is NOT a prophecy about country Y. Politics is not a mathematics that follows a formula.
Also, please stop using ChatGPT to refine your answers.
I am not making prophecies. I am not predicting the future. I am specifically writing:
Do you understand what that phrase means? Do you understand what the word “cautionary” means?
I understand, but what I’m saying from my perspective is that I do not see that happening in any way possible, even if the beginning phase looks like startup nazi ideology. One can be cautious about new nuclear reactor in France exploding because one exploded in Chornobyl, while others, like me, will try to assure you it’s quite impossible under new designs (new world order).
Like I said before, if Israel actually goes ahead and kills those millions Palestinians instead of displacing them, get back to me and I will write an apology letter for my ignorance and short-sightness, but as of things stand now, I simply don’t see how is it possible for Israel to do this without causing their own destruction.
If you look at our discussion you might notice that at no point have I singled out Israel as the only possible perpetrator. We are literally discussing this in the thread below an article about the American government making genocidal plans. Between Trumpist USA and the far right current Israeli government, an escalation is not inconceivable. It is true however that thankfully there are multiple actors, from the Europeans to the Egyptians and Jordanians for example, who would not easily allow something like this to happen. But then again, if the world order is blown up in WW3, anything is possible and these kinds of plans would become much less unworkable… Which is why calling them out and not letting them be normalized now is very important.
No, the orginal plan was to ship them all to Madagascar. It is well documented
And the original plan for country X was to do Y but since it never happened, it’s irrelevant and people almost never speak of it, except when it suddenly fits their narrative, no matter how stupid/disconnected it is
In other news, USSR and Gulag is exactly the comparison you were actually looking for, but no, gotta always use “nazis” because of how catchy it is to you guys
Nazis started by moving them further away. How do you think israel started.
Trail Of Tears mk2? Mk probably much more than that by now.
This is quite literally genocidal intent. The US is a rogue state at this point.