Regular Canadians sure, but are the other parties saying it? Because if the cons want to keep the contract and the Liberals are quiet, the the NDP is indeed standing out.
The US is no longer a reliable partner. With everything they’ve done over the last year why should we trust them with this deal? That they won’t change it or put restrictions, or exit tariffs on any of this? How do we know there won’t be spyware in the jets operating system, or a kill switch, or an override routine?
Choose the vendor who is willing to work with us. Saab is willing to give us the source code for the jets operating system. They’re willing to manufacture the jets in Canada.
The US will keep their operating system and be able to modify it with impunity. ‘Did your plane fall out of the sky? Our bad. Our latest patch had a bug and we didn’t find it until it was too late.’
They already have terrible reliability and need a constant stream of parts to keep them in the sky. The US doesn’t even need a kill switch. They could just stop supplying parts.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 05 Feb 02:10
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They were never a reliable partner.
NAFTA being a trade agreement that they can tariff but we can’t should have been the end of it.
I assume he’s not committing to it either way until CUSMA is renegotiated. It’s probably a bargaining chip. On principal I do agree that we should scrap the entire F-35 contract in favour of Gripens though.
“This is not just a fictional fear. Donald Trump did this to Ukraine. He threatened to withhold, and did withhold, parts to the F-16 fighter jet radar and left the Ukrainian Air Force in a lurch,” he said.
Yup.
Trump is loosely adopting the subscription model. Agree to the new TOS or have services withheld. On top of F-35s being far too costly than the USAF had ever wanted, as a JSF it’s a confusing jack-of-all trades; master of none, and so there’s obviously much more sensible options elsewhere.
When the end goal here is national defence, one needs to consider how it will be ultimately impacted by entering into a “deal” with the current USA. It’s entirely expected nations will browse on by and shop elsewhere
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 05 Feb 05:28
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As an American that’s certainly what I’d do
SabinStargem@lemmy.today
on 05 Feb 11:32
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It would be the prudent thing to do. Regardless of whether there is an actual killswitch, the logistics chain is too big an issue if the USA decides to follow through with being a fuckwit against Canada.
For the long term, I guess the question for Euro-NATO would be: “Do we make our own JSF program, or should we have a bunch of specialized aircraft?”
lechekaflan@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 11:41
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In my country, the local air force would prefer the Gripen because it’s cheaper to keep them flying.
So do most of the Canadian citizens but, regardless of the national temperature, we’re still heavily tied into the uber-complicated economic and cultural relationship we have with a superpower that is now a dying beast.
US fighters: stealthy, cost like hell, require good airfields and fancy maintenance (US assistance)
Swedish fighters: cheaper, not stealthy, but fire missiles that hit halfway across a state, land on straight roads, low maintenance
If the buyer is Canada and their threat model involves Trump wanting to attack them, it’s a foregone conclusion. Get Gripen, equip with Meteor, get ready to kill AWACS.
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So do I!
Most Canadians do as well.
lol for real did the NDP write this headline?
Regular Canadians sure, but are the other parties saying it? Because if the cons want to keep the contract and the Liberals are quiet, the the NDP is indeed standing out.
Carney directed his finance minister to look into other options, specifically if they could be built in Canada. www.cbc.ca/news/…/f35-blair-trump-1.7484477
My other comment was more of a jab at the NDP trying to stay relevant.
But… not the pilots and brass, apparently, they want the power platform promise that hasn’t been demonstrated yet.
Sure, but that means nothing at all if the enemy can just neuter your offense with the flip of a switch
Yeah, obviously. So, are they in denial or do they know something we don’t?
I will support any move that takes money out of the US economy.
The US is no longer a reliable partner. With everything they’ve done over the last year why should we trust them with this deal? That they won’t change it or put restrictions, or exit tariffs on any of this? How do we know there won’t be spyware in the jets operating system, or a kill switch, or an override routine?
Choose the vendor who is willing to work with us. Saab is willing to give us the source code for the jets operating system. They’re willing to manufacture the jets in Canada.
The US will keep their operating system and be able to modify it with impunity. ‘Did your plane fall out of the sky? Our bad. Our latest patch had a bug and we didn’t find it until it was too late.’
They already have terrible reliability and need a constant stream of parts to keep them in the sky. The US doesn’t even need a kill switch. They could just stop supplying parts.
They were never a reliable partner.
NAFTA being a trade agreement that they can tariff but we can’t should have been the end of it.
I’m amazed how the top minds didn’t see this threat after 2016
If john deere can brick tractors that Russians stole I bet these jets could be grounded without a boubt
I assume he’s not committing to it either way until CUSMA is renegotiated. It’s probably a bargaining chip. On principal I do agree that we should scrap the entire F-35 contract in favour of Gripens though.
Yup.
Trump is loosely adopting the subscription model. Agree to the new TOS or have services withheld. On top of F-35s being far too costly than the USAF had ever wanted, as a JSF it’s a confusing jack-of-all trades; master of none, and so there’s obviously much more sensible options elsewhere.
When the end goal here is national defence, one needs to consider how it will be ultimately impacted by entering into a “deal” with the current USA. It’s entirely expected nations will browse on by and shop elsewhere
As an American that’s certainly what I’d do
It would be the prudent thing to do. Regardless of whether there is an actual killswitch, the logistics chain is too big an issue if the USA decides to follow through with being a fuckwit against Canada.
For the long term, I guess the question for Euro-NATO would be: “Do we make our own JSF program, or should we have a bunch of specialized aircraft?”
In my country, the local air force would prefer the Gripen because it’s cheaper to keep them flying.
I appreciate them saying this but NFP need to get their own house in order.
So do most of the Canadian citizens but, regardless of the national temperature, we’re still heavily tied into the uber-complicated economic and cultural relationship we have with a superpower that is now a dying beast.
Realistically speaking:
If the buyer is Canada and their threat model involves Trump wanting to attack them, it’s a foregone conclusion. Get Gripen, equip with Meteor, get ready to kill AWACS.