Trump admin considering giving $10,000 to each person in Greenland to annex the island
(www.latintimes.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 16:42
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 16:42
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The plan would replace the $600 million in subsidies Denmark gives the island each year
The Donald Trump administration is reportedly considering giving about $10,000 to each Greenland resident as part of its plan to annex the island.
The possibility would seek to replace the $600 million Denmark gives the territory in subsidies every year, and has stopped being mere rhetoric to become official U.S. policy, according to The New York Times.
The outlet detailed that the plan already includes several cabinet departments and that the White House’s National Security Council has met several times to advance on it, recently sending specific instructions to different offices.
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No.
Shut the fuck up. Enough.
Not you, MicroWave. The Republican president.
$1m would be insulting.
$10k is beyond insulting. That’s probably one the cheapest entry fees to one of his disgusting Mar-a-Lago fundraisers.
Trump really has a knack for insulting people. He’s basically saying “You’re worth a fifth of a Tesla car”. How cheap can you be…
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Cheap and tacky.
More up to date:
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Red tie to match all them red stocks
the fucking plastic boxed salads and soggy burgers on ornate silver trays is just sooooooooooooo… i don’t even have the words
Apparently Trump is absolutely fucking terrified of people poisoning his food. It’s why he eats like shit - random fast food is harder to poison.
How about if he threw in the Tesla’s with poor quality and no craftsmanship? Y’know to boost all those American manufacturing jobs, and the mechanics, and Elon’s tax subsidized billions.
Even for free I honestly don’t think I could do it. And I live in California where fucking everyone has a Tesla. I’d sell it if I thought I could I guess.
That’s a visit to a US hospital
A single visit
for a warm blanket and a Tylenol
Lucky
1This demonstrates how he thinks - He’s obviously getting paid by Putin to destroy America, so he thinks everybody else is just like him. Offer enough money, and theyll sell out their country, too. He has no conception of patriotism or loyalty to his country.
I’d promise him anything he wants, take his money (after jacking it up to a million bucks), then immediately betray him. Everybody in his country should do that. Whats he going to do, sue me for not being a traitor? He can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.
I got cold-called by one of those “We’ll buy your house!” scam outfits one time asking if I was interested in selling my modest single-story, two bedroom / one bathroom house.
And I just really hope that I wasted a little bit more of their time that day, but if someone were to make a horrible paperwork error and accidentally offer me five million dollars for a house worth a fraction of that, that’s really on them, I’d say.
And we’re paying for it.
Ten thousand US dollar as personal money for leaving democracy and entering a dictatorship (or at least an autocracy)? Err…
I’m in the US, where’s my $10,000?
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Whoops! You misspelled serfs!
This would be funny if it wasn’t so depressing.
For giving up public healthcare for one
They already get $10k from Denmark every year, so they’d get nothing in comparison.
Art of the deal 🥴
Explain to me more about this $10k from denmark. Does denmark have some amount of UBI?
They run a large budget deficit each year which Denmark subsidises out of historical obligation, since they subjugated Greenland. Fair enough I say.
Greenland is largely independent on internal policies and have their own laws, but still technically part of Denmark.
This is my laymen’s explanation.
I think that’s pretty accurate
My understanding is that these are government to government subsidies, not government to people subsidies. That’s quite different from what the usa is offering
Better than Hawaii
“We’ll give you ten grand for the opportunity to be deported to an El Salvadoran prison if we don’t like you. It’s a great deal!”
One could even say that’s an art of a deal, ay?
The money isn’t for you to spend though, it’s for your relocation. Because you WILL be sent to El Salvador.
And don’t forget to say “Thank you”.
And wear a suit.
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this shit is funny af LOL
Even flight ticket is free.
10k to live in a dictatorship, or wait 6 months and stay in a sane country? He’s stupider every day.
It’s a get lost payment, not a welcome to the USA bonus …
A quick google tells me Greenland has a population of ~57,000. At $10k per resident, that’s $570 million.
On money alone, his offer is less than what they already receive, and unless he’s pitching for some sort of UBI it’ll be a one-time payment instead of annual. Is this the art of the deal they keep talking about?
Also, Denmark subsides are probably in Euros. So it’s already 5% higher just on Trump’s first 3 months.
Denmark actually isn't part of the eurozone and uses its own currency, Danish krone
Interestingly, the value of the Danish krone is pegged to the value of the euro, meaning the job of the national bank is to ensure a more or less constant exchange rate of 1€ = 7.45DKK.
So when the euro performs well, the krone performs well.
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The right-wing tactic of dismantling a program or getting a discount by offering lump sum cash up front, instead of better value in programs and services.
They prey on desperate, uneducated people who see the money in front of them.
Desperate is the right word, and I think they’re intending to make people more desperate in order to exert control.
I’m not saying a $10k gift would be life-changing, but it would pay off a significant amount of my debt, freeing up a lot of my monthly cash flow.
Ok so as a nation Denmark accepts the offer and let’s assume everyone gets their $10k, pays off some debts, buys some luxuries, has a holiday, banks a decent amount. What about the negatives? For example now healthcares no longer free. Seems like it would cost more than you’d gain.
Oh definitely. I think they’re being offered a horrible deal. But I can see how some might be inclined to take the shitty deal if their current financial situation is in fact one of desperation. I hope their citizens are in better shape than Americans.
It’s like Brexit…didn’t matter how much time people spent pointing out the negatives, there’s still people that bought into it, for numerous reasons.
I have very little debt and no savings, but a 10k gift would only pay for like 2-3 months of living. That’s not enough for me to sell out my fellow countrypeople and give up my most basic rights.
Hell even a million wouldn’t be enough for me to agree to be American at this point.
Not gonna lie, this is kinda how I’m watching the subsidies on chinese EV.
Now, would I want to pay taxes to export European cars to the rest of the world? Hell no.
So I’m quite confused
10k to get lost, it’s unspoken but the money is to leave the country because that is then owned by Trump.
This is a typical Trump deal, Trump gets what he wants and the other side gets ripped off. There never will be equal footing between trading partners in a Trump deal.
It’s going to cost more than that just to hire movers that will transport outside the country. It doesn’t even come close to what it would cost to set up a new life somewhere else.
On top of this, Denmark had been doing this every year. The only thing you can count on Trump doing every year is to change his mind and ask you if you’ve said thank you for it.
That’s assuming that they pay out.
I haven’t read Fart of the Meal or whatever it’s called, but I feel like asking Greenlanders what it would take for them to want to be annexed may be a better (but still not good) way to broach the subject. And, if they say there’s nothing at all the US can offer them, then take that as a blatant hint to back the fuck off.
Given what Trump is doing to the American economy, it might be better to offer Chinese Yuan.
Greenland should say “we’re interested, but we’d need statehood and voting representatives in the house and Senate” - which would effectively end GOP control of the Senate for a generation.
If he tries anything like this in Canada I very much hope our leaders don’t say that. Those of us who haven’t fallen into the MAGA black hole don’t ever want to be part of the USA, even with representation in their rotten system of government. I’m fairly sure Greenlanders would feel similarly.
Hey but you get to live under the control of the Orange Turd! What a deal.
WTF!!
What a moronic proposal, as it is, Denmark is helping them with much more than that each year.
Greenland only has 56.669 inhabitants, giving everyone including children would only amount to 567 million!!
In direct Regional financial support alone Denmark is sending about 600 million USD per year.
And that’s apart from paying for instance police and military support.
And Greenland is tax exempt too!!
What a demeaning cheapskate offer.
I believe Greenland should have the right to decide for themselves.
But as a Dane, I find that offer insulting!
You don’t even need to be Danish to find that offer insulting.
DOGE gonna cut this waste?
Why is he so interested in Greenland? Is it just the natural resources?
The natural resources, a tacit admission that Global Warming is real, continued control over a strategic area even after completely fucking over the perfectly good allies the US has now, and even though it’s under the second largest ice sheet in the world, the island is just a tiny bit larger than the Louisiana Purchase, so I’m sure there’s a huge ego factor.
I suppose it’s a relief they’re not talking about invading (for now), but Jesus what beatdown this all is.
Fucking LOL.
Greenlanders: if he’s handing you money, take it I guess, and then in the referendum I assume would be required here, vote “fuck no”.
lol … as if … he’s the kind of scam artist that would tell everyone that would agree to this deal that the money is in the mail and will appear at their house in a month … then the next month, then next year … then once they take over the country, no one is getting any money
Anyone that believes a word coming from this orange bean bag salesman deserves to be ripped off
For anyone who voted for Trump because your cost of living is too high… How y’all feeling about this?
Trump wants to give everyone in Greenland $10k. Where’s your $10k? What the actual fuck has this guy done to help you out so far?
How is it that DOGE has to force your grandma to walk to an office for her social security because a phone line was too expensive, but Trump has money to throw $600m a year at this?
Nobody said per year. That 10k is so they can get the fuck off americas new playground. One time.
Granted, I assumed yearly, because this is apparently supposed to replace a yearly benefit that Greenland receives from Denmark.
Even if it is only one time, that’s still a lot of money that Trump seems to want to throw at something completely frivolous, rather than making a difference to the lives of Americans. Can’t see how that feels good for anyone who is struggling with the price of eggs.
Right-wingers never agree to annual payouts except for the rich. It’s absolutely a one time thing.
Buying votes that’s what it is
Hang on, so it’s literally to get the people of Greenland to leave Greenland?
You’re asking that question, but you probably won’t find many Trump voters here.
How much do they hear anyways? Do they actually know what people other than Trump say?
At my last job, I started shortly after the union had negotiated a one-time payout of $500 for every associate, at the cost of the $2000+ bonuses department heads received yearly. The savings for the company were immense of course, because the recurring cost of paying bonuses was gone. And the masses were happy to vote for a free (as far as they were concerned) $500 payment. I still find myself wondering how many yay votes ended up as department heads down the line and realized how utterly stupid that was. But most won’t have done, and simply got free money.
I’m not sure that tactic could possibly work here - there would have to be a contingent of people who actually wanted that in the first place - and as far as I can tell, no Greenlander even wants to touch the US with a 1,300 mile pole.
Denmark’s Novo Nordisk had $44.1B revenue last year ($15.2B net), largely from us fatass Americans and Ozempic.
I think they can outbid the fatass with his own money (he’s on it).
Unlike himself, he won’t follow through
It would be to be per year to match Denmark’s contribution and I don’t believe anyone would trust to pay his debts.
A Trump NEVER pays his debts.
My price is $1 million, and Skum’s public execution streamed on the Internet.
Then I’d vote against it.
So, Greenlanders…is this your price? A one-time $10k pay-off, to purchase your loyalty to the King of America?
10k is a car repair bill.
10k of MY FUCKING TAX MONEY, you stupid ape!
McDonald’s do your job already. This is getting ridiculous.
The Simpsons predicted him dying tomorrow.
That was fake, unfortunately.
www.snopes.com/…/simpsons-predict-trumps-death/
Fuck sake, I’ve been waiting for tomorrow.
Make tomorrow today
But a UBI would be economically unviable.
Lmao ok.
Well, yeah, it would be.
We would need to drastically increase taxes in order to have UBI for the poorest people in the US. Right now, across the board, all of us are paying some of the lowest income taxes since income taxation was introduced. After you consider things like the EIC, a lot of poor people have a negative tax rate. As it is, we’re running a budget deficit every single year, and most of that deficit is entitlement programs (I’m not using that in a pejorative sense) like social security and Medicare.
(No, social security is not fully funded; people pay in far less than they end up getting paid back, and the system relies on a constantly expanding pool of people paying into it to fund the people that are currently drawing from it. To fix that, we would need to increase social security taxes, end the cap on those taxes, and probably set the retirement age higher.)
Even if we took every single penny that every billionaire in the US had, that would fund the federal gov’t for something like eight months. Total. And then it would all be gone. (Plus the stock and bond markets would crater, but eh.)
Yeah, we need to bring back the highest marginal tax rates for sure. And we need to increase corporate taxes and eliminate a lot of the corporate cash giveaways. But we also need to increase taxes on the middle class. I’m saying this as someone that’s at the lower end of middle class; I’m not paying enough in taxes for what i think this country should be doing for the citizens of the country. But man, if you told me my tax bill was going to go up by $8k, but I’d also get national single payer health care? And national public transit, and free public universities? I would cream my panties.
Taxing the extremely wealthy and corporations at 90%+ would go far.
I was skeptical of your numbers, so I did the math:
Taking the first article I found newer than 2022, US billionaires have about $6.22 trillion of wealth ± recent stock market changes. UBI of $1000/month is most commonly estimated to cost $4 trillion/year.
US budget in 2024 was 6.8 trillion, but 1.87 trillion is in social security and income security programs UBI would replace, so the net change would raise the budget by 2.17 trillion to 8.39T. So 8.896 months - more like nine months than eight, but surprisingly close.
Of course, that assumes all other taxes are wiped out, which nobody has ever proposed. I can’t find a number anywhere for total income tax paid by billionaires, so we’ll be generous. OMB estimates billionaires pay an average tax rate of only 8.2%. Their wealth increased 2.9 trillion over 7 years, so ignore compounding and call it 414B/yr. And pretend it’s all taxed (which it isn’t - most isn’t considered income). That’s 33.9B in income taxes the IRS doesn’t collect after wiping out the billionaires. That reduces IRS revenues collected from 5.1T to 5.06T (being generous again with the rounding). That buys us another 7 months of government funding.
Alternatively, doubling the effective tax rate on the top 1% earning over 3.3M/yr from 26.09% to 52.18% would balance the budget including the new UBI. Get the effective tax rate on billionaires to match and you can start paying off the national debt. All without touching the middle class or even lowering anyone’s income below 1.65M/yr.
Don’t get me wrong - taxing billionaires out of existence is certainly a moral imperative - it just isn’t necessary to fund UBI.
Sounds like a one time payment.
Even $5 million would probably be cheaper than what it would cost to take it by force.
I’m sure the French nuclear sub siting off the coast of Canada won’t have anything to say about the USA invading a NATO ally.
We don’t have any boomer off the Canadian coast, please look away and have some of this nice bread.
10,000 * 56,583 ~= 566 million < 600 million.
Bruh, he doesn’t even want to pay out the annual subsidy once
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“A Trump never pays hus bills”
He will take most of it away in taxes.
And deport to forced labor colonies.
Trump is notorious for stiffing people he owes money to
Not when it’s the public’s money…
Why do we need Greenland? Is it so we can easily attack Russia or something? Isn’t Alaska pretty fucking close? Like what is the reason for annexing Greenland?
Mineral rights and control of what will be a major shipping route as the North opens up due to climate change.
Fuck that’s insane. Makes perfect sense but holy shit. I fucking hate this planet and this country even more.
No it doesn’t make sense. Unless there is a grift.
Because in the past a company could negotiate for passage and minerals.
But this time a countrys leader wants to get in on that wealth and grift.
So it makes sense only if some asshole abuses their power for greed.
This all sucks.
I meant fucked as in our politicians are, despite what we think, thinking generations ahead to the point they’ve accepted the consequences of our actions and know there’s no going back and therefore looking for ways to monetize the future bleakness that is our world.
I worded what I said poorly. I agree with you, it makes no sense. Short term thinking. I was trying to say that they could do all sorts of horrible things in the old fashioned way, not draw much attention and not much complaint. They could accomplish their short sighted plans without all the drama and scrutiny.
Especially since some of Greenlands resources would replace resources the US military purchases from CHYNA.
Do we really need to repeat trumps limp humor here? Its spelled ‘China’, Brad.
Climate could play a part, too.
thearcticinstitute.org/…/Arctic-Shipping-Routes-M…
There is a shipping route opening up that would enable Asian-Europen-American trade via a about 2/3 shorter route than currently possible. It would make any route through the Suez canals or around Africa pointless. This might not sound important right now, but it would fundamentally change the fortunes of countries and reshape the world.
thearcticinstitute.org/future-northern-sea-route-…
Greenland and all the areas surrounding it know this. They will not be giving Greenland to America.
If they pollute enough to finish melthing the north pole , it open a new trade route. And the pollution part is already plan with coal mining and fracking.
I think it’s strategic for when he pulls the US out of Nato, of course he will want the resources as well.
Trump definitely won’t attack Russia. Vladimir Putin is his bestie.
I think Putin is uncomfortable with a NATO country in that strategic position, so he has manipulated Trump into thinking that it would be a good “real estate deal” for the US to take it over.
Ressource deposits.
Probably many greedy reasons, but my personal favourite speculation: annexing Greenland surrounds Canada and stops any potential aid by its NATO allies in case of an invasion, since annexing Canada is one of the stated objectives of the US now.
In terms of strategy for actual national security, they already got all the access they wanted, if they wanted more all they had to do was ask. If they’re the ones doing the attacking of a common ally, though, they wouldn’t get that access. So it’s only of added strategic value to annex instead of maintaining the alliance if the goal is to attack members of the alliance.
Lol, literally fucking stealing from tax payer after crashing the economy so that he can pay off a foreign country to join the scam
What use is $10,000 if it destroys their economy?
Trump is a known liar and a thief.
Who in their right mind would trust the US right now? Or ever really…the US undid so much precedent over the last few months that it is laughable to even consider trusting them.
Even before that, who would want to be in part of America by choice? The health care horror show and massive inequality are but two reasons.
And…then?
Greenland still belongs to Denmark even if you give 99999999 gazillion to each Greenlander
I don’t think anyone in Greenland is dumb enough to sell out their country for 10k to then live in a country where you will pay out of your ass in taxes, handing those 10k right back to the IRS in 5 years tops.
Greenlanders would have to call themselves “Americans” henceforth, which is considered an insult and lower class of civilization world-wide.
I guess if the people of Greenland accept a measly 10k soon to be worthless USD in exchange to join a dying empire, they deserve to be part of that empire. Maybe Trump is actually smart and this is a hidden IQ test.
I had a feeling he would try something like this. If you only need to convince 57 thousand people, throwing money at them is a very real option. But I never imagined he would go so cheap. 2 million dollars for every man woman and child would only cost the USA 120 billion dollars. Not a bad price for Greenland. 10k is a fucking insult.
Even at 2 million that wouldn’t really be enough money to be above all the shitty laws the US inflicts on its own citizens.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, you’re correct and this is likely what the current administration will do. Hell, if 10k isn’t enough they could up it to 100k since there are so few people in Greenland. Maybe even more.
Denmark has stated that they will honor a referendum if it comes to that. That was before the US wanted to annex the territory but it’s still true.
The US can and will try to simply buy Greenland and it’s fairly likely to succeed in my view.
Lmao they want no part of America
Yeah. But I think you’re underestimating how much people like money dude.
That’s barely any worthwhile money. I think you really overestimate how much ten k means to people - especially when it means being sucked in by a failing capitalist system.
If you read my comment I said it will most likely be significantly more than that. If 100k isn’t life changing money to you then you should factor in your own privilege into this argument.
I think becoming part of America against your own will is more “life changing”
It’s like talking to a wall.
I agree
Denmark does recognize Greenland’s right to self determination. They can leave at any time they wish, but overwhelmingly voted to stay, several times.
Actually, greenlanders have polled and voted to become independent as a supermajority, they just haven’t started the process of independence yet.
I expect that the process towards independence for greenland is going to be delayed in light of recent events though. I can’t imagine they’d want to go through with it right now
Either way, Denmark has come out and said in the past that they will respect the wishes of greenland
Edit: here’s a recent poll I believe euractiv.com/…/virtually-no-greenlander-wants-to-…
Yes Greenland wants to be independent under the terms that Denmark continue to pay huge regional subsidies of more than 10k USD per capita per year. On top of paying for official functions like police and defense. While still being tax exempt.
They don’t want to pay for any of that themselves.
Apparently the only thing that keeps Greenland part of Denmark is money.
And AFAIK Denmark gets nothing in return.
If this support for more than a hundred years, doesn’t make Greenlanders feel as if they are part of Denmark, then I don’t see why we should keep supporting them.
Yes we made mistakes in the past, but good luck finding someone else to support you, that display greater respect for the autonomy of Greenland.
Well, yeah, obviously they wouldn’t get the subsidies anymore, I thought that was implied in gaining independence
Either way, they should still have the right to decide themselves
One should think that is a given, but that’s not how the people of Greenland see it.
Well, in that case I do agree with you. If they gain independence, the subsidies should stop. I mean, that’s only natural
And yes, I don’t think it would be a wise choice for greenland to do, but ultimately they should still have that choice, otherwise it’s just a glorified colony
It’s not the money as such but Greenland not being ready for full independence. They don’t want independence to leave them worse off, poorer, as a playing ball of larger powers, etc.
Basically Greenland is a 30yold guy living with their parents figuring out how to get their own place. They aren’t thrilled about the situation, but the parents are tolerable and it definitely beats being homeless.
Denmark gets a friend out of this, and a good conscience. Also, business opportunities. Applies to Europe in general, I very much doubt Greenland will go for independence without joining the EU. Not only would it provide safety, but it also means sovereignty while still being able to draw on cohesion funds.
Greenland actively chose NOT to be part of EU!
en.wikipedia.org/…/Greenland_and_the_European_Uni…
Support for re-joining increased form 40% to 60% from 2021 to 2024.
Main stumbling block has always been the fisheries policy, same with Norway, Iceland and the Faroer, and while truth be told the CFP really needs reform it also has lost much economical importance for the countries. Well maybe except the Faroer.
Greenlanders and Faroese are still EU citizens, btw, by virtue of being Danish citizens, with all the privileges that entails. That kind of special status won’t be possible upon independence, it’s going to be all-in or all-out. Ask Brits how losing EU citizenship feels like.
all of these fucking upvotes with no fucking context.
twist that shit all you want, just seems like you’re a Denmark nationalist with your comments. You’re whole fucking comment reeks
like a fucking toxic relationship with an abuser, holy shit.
My comment is not based on opinion polls. But on the political negotiations as they have been represented.
I’m not aware of any other example where a territory with an original population is treated with more respect and more reasonably than Denmark is doing with Greenland, including having representation in the Danish parlament. I’m all for that. And Greenland can have independence, but when they want us to keep paying after that, how is that reasonable?
Trump is going with step one in the art of the deal. Try and buy it for less than it’s worth.
I read someplace that theres about 17 trillion in minerals and oil in greenland. ~57000 population of greenland, so paying for just the mineral wealth not the land and other resources, he’d owe each inhabitant about 298 million. each. So he’s paying them 1 /30,000th of what he should be offering.
Whatever the actual net value is, it’s not that. There isn’t just a 17 trillion pile of minerals sitting somewhere on the surface.
Yeah Greenland is actually in a tough spot. It has a lot of economic potential, but it can’t unlock it without completely upending its own society. There are only 56,000 Greenlanders. If they wanted to expand mining enough to be economically self sufficient, they would need to bring in so many people that the existing population would become a minority. They would have to become an Arctic Dubai.
This is also why they don’t want to be annexed by the US. (Even if the US still had sane leadership.) Once you’re part of the US, any American that wishes can move there. Any American company can set up shop there. The existing society would be completely overrun.
And it would be an ecological disaster.
Not that the Trump administration nor mining corporations care about that, but it would suck for the Greenlanders and our planet.
So if that's valid, could some states get bought by other countries? Hell, I bet many residents in some states would pay to have it be part of a different country.
I need some brave Canadian MP to make this kind of offer on Vermont or Michigan.
First… we take Manhattan…
As a Californian, I hope we accept Denmark’s offer.
I'd hold out for Norway or Finland; have you SEEN the Danish language?! ducks
Oh gee Mr Trump a whole 10000, I can buy so many bubblegum with that
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Is that what 30 pieces of silver is worth in this market?
A roman story?
Why so much? 10 cent would be enough. That of course, is if you want to insult them.
Tax money?
Maybe Tariff money? Oh wait they are taxes on domestic importers.
Hey when are we gonna get our $5000 Donny? I really need it to start building my crypto factory in order to become a billionaire by the summer.
President Sundowner isn’t going to do shit.
Why so stingy? The Greenland population is about 56,000. You could offer every Greenlander a million dollars, and it would only come to $56 billion, still a bargain in the grand scheme of things. If you actually want to buy someone’s country out from under them, that’s the kind of money you need to be talking about.
This is the same government that brought us the Louisiana Purchase and Seward’s Folly, both of which were really cheap land grabs. They just need to find a quasi-official way for someone to accept the terms and then execute the terms by force. The $10,000 agreement is their legal shield for taking the land by force.
It’s not the same government though. The Alaska purchase was in 1867. The US has an entirely different kind of government than it did back then. And we’re in an entirely different historical era. You can’t just blindly assume what worked in 1867 is going to work or be remotely applicable in 2025.
Oh, jesus. Of course it’s not the exact same government, but it’s America and America is comprised of people and people are fundamentally the same as they were 200 years ago. Ignoring that, this will work because if anything Land Grabs are waaay more common now than they were back then.
Land grabs are more common now than in the 19th century? That’s just completely false. That was the age of Manifest Destiny and overt colonization by European powers. Conflicts like Russia’s invasion of Ukraine are so notable because they are so rare in the modern era. Today, global powers are more about economic influence, trading relationships, and economic spheres of influence. Turns out it’s a lot cheaper and more efficient to just trade with people than to pay for the huge expense of maintaining an old-fashioned colonial empire. Look at China. They’re expanding their influence through their Belt and Road Initiative, not through outright conquest and imperial subjugation. Or look at the US trade and influence machines it built after WW2 like the WTO, the World Bank, etc. It is very very rare for the great powers to outright seize land anymore. The US doesn’t need to conquer Congo and become responsible for its people in order to gain access to its resources. It can just cut a check for them.
And no, it really isn’t the same government. The federal government in 2025 has an entirely different relationship with the US population than it did in 1867. Hell, the entire way the US conducts military and diplomatic policy changed after WW2 and the dawn of the atomic era. The US hasn’t formally declared war on anyone since WW2, when previously it was the norm for every conflict. Programs like Social Security or policies like anti-drug laws would have been unfathomable to a US citizen in 1867.
And if you want to say it’s the same people, it really isn’t. We’re not the same people we were then, culturally or genetically. Even just ethnically, we’ve had so many waves of immigrants that our ethnic admixtures have completely changed. That’s to say nothing of how much our norms and culture have fundamentally shifted. Try explaining gender nonbinary people to someone from 1867.
Look, I get it. It’s tempting to adopt the old world-weary saying that nothing is new under the Sun, but I don’t see how one can possibly look at the monumental changes in global technology, history, and culture over the last century and a half and conclude that things are basically the same. If nothing else, the introduction of nuclear weapons fundamentally changed the way the great powers manage their affairs.
Yes, you can be incredibly pedantic and say that, “well, human nature is the same, so fundamentally nothing has changed.” But at that point you might as well be arguing that the US and ancient Babylon are the same country.
That’s a really scary wall of text without a single citation or hard fact. You went to a lot of effort just to say you’re really not informed on this matter at all.
I’ll point you to the work the Land Deal Politics Initiative has done over the past decade. Or even just do a simple Google search “are land grabs more common now”. Simple stuff.
Good day, sir.
Wow, if you’re not a troll you’re a real idiot
You’re the fool if you think I can’t be both.
Trump hasn’t hasn’t had a unique thought in his entire life, where do you think he got the the idea? These kinds of land grabs happen often, you just don’t pay attention because it is mostly people of color being taken advantage of. Now it’s white Europeans and you’re all like “it will never happen here”.
We talking about 19th century land grabs? There’s a really interesting (to me) law called the Guano Islands Act of 1856. The United States needed fixed nitrogen, and therefore could just take it?
The history of the US—the real history—is wild.
A million? In this economy? I’d want at least $100m to sell out my own country.
No one wants America
Why do you assume they are ‘Merican?
And, at this rate, definitely not denominated in USD… In between ink drying, and checks paid, it would likely be worth half as much at the rate we are going.
Take the money and tell him to fuck off. He’s a con artist. Have him lose at his own game.
If it was taken seriously, Trump would promise the million after annexing them. Then would never pay and say he did. (Also absolutely insane that this is even a conversation)
He will never pay them either way. A Trump never pays their bills.
When Greenlanders don’t want to vote on it? Also if there was a vote does a simple majority count. Maybe 2/3. Or 90%? Or 100%? Does the US constitution allow for separatism despite Texas?
Would that even pay for the first year of medical insurance that you will need?
No lol not even close the way they charge for private insurance
The insurance? Sure, it would easily cover that.
The cost of medical care, even with insurance? Not even close.
My employer paid 26k last year, for their portion of my insurance.
I paid 235/month for it.
No, and you would still have out of pocket costs.
“America First!” -> garbage $600,000,000 bribe to Greenland citizens
[edit: whoops, you’re right, I left off three 0s]
600k? You dropped some zeros there. It’s $600,000,000.
He’d have to go a lot higher than 10k p.p. to even make them consider it, so that’d be billions. Luckily he has millions of tax payers who can fund his little obsession!
If he doesn’t actually know how much a hamberder costs any amount above the cup of covfefe is just as imaginary. Don’t know why everyone’s so upset about the value of the currency dropping, just release a meme coin and sell it all off.
“The party of small government”. Tries to gobble up neighbours and allies.
The fuck?! As if Kalaaliit culture is worth only 10K to each person. US can get stuffed. Culture is priceless.
Think about all the fucking starbucks you can buy with $10k! That’s like a coffee and bagel everyday for a year. Fucking startbucks man! C’mon it’ll be great
Right? I’m American and even I wouldn’t take that deal. Mind you I’d take the money, but then if you want me off my land you’re going to have to have a conversation with Mr. Glock.
Mr Glock, Mr FAL, Mr M2 Browning… choices could be endless :)
Nice. I just have a G19gen4, a heavily-customized AR15 that a gunsmith friend built and tuned specifically for me, and a Saiga 12g (with the crazy Latvian slugs that shoot through engine blocks.) I feel like they cover all the bases. ;)
If it makes you feel any better, America doesn’t care about their culture and only wants their natural resources and strategic location. Oh wait, that probably won’t make you feel better.
The culture will be immediately outlawed, too woke. What you’re confusing for culture is actually South American gang activity.
He spent 250k for banging stormy Daniel’s.
fotgot legal fees, so x10 that.
Fuck you revolting jackass. How’s about you spend 10k per person on healthcare and housing subsidies.
That won’t even cover the costs of moving to a non-fascist country.
Lol yeah 10k in american healthcare is like 1 insulin shot 💀
And he’ll totally get that money out to you any day now. The check is in the mail.
two weeks, tops
Typical out of touch rich boomer thinking. That anyone can be bought. That everything is a matter of cost.
Or that 10k is remotely enough.
US should pay at least 5 million to each person. That is how much Trump is selling his gold card visa anyway.
Real pro move is Greenland makes completely open borders, offers to bring anyone up there who wants to move to the US and make them citizens of Greenland and then get an agreement that every Greenland citizen has to immediately become a US citizen.