U.S. Troops Were Told Iran War Is for “Armageddon,” Return of Jesus
(jonathanlarsen.substack.com)
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from postmateDumbass@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 03 Mar 2026 04:25
https://lemmy.world/post/43790529
A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God’s plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.
From Saturday morning through Monday night, more than 110 similar complaints about commanders in every branch of the military had been logged by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF).
The complaints came from more than 40 different units spread across at least 30 military installations, the MRFF told me Monday night.
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Lolwat?
People like this are literally going to cause the end of the human race with their “beliefs”. We have a bunch of religious fanatics killing at the behest of a demented pedophile and his genocidal buddy.
Religion is a cancer.
There was a really interesting article posted the other day about the Antichrist. Religious folks are really wacky.
That’s a very interesting article but does 2019 qualify as “the other day”?
*Insert Saving Private Ryan Meme here*
Those were better times …
They probably meant it was posted on lemmy the other day, not that the article was released the other day.
Lol! I didn’t even look at the date. It was posted in another instance just yesterday or the day before…I can’t remember which.
America is cancer
Yeah definitely no religious fruitcakes in any other parts of the world.
They are not religious people. Unless you take paedophillia as a form of religion. I mean, they seem to have been in some crazy paedocult.
Of Catholicism isn’t a pedocult idk what is
I would never conclude something as reductive as this, but certainly, the Catholic church won’t get any apologetic comment from me.
At what point does it become socially acceptable to say to these people, “Fuck your god”?
I’m not sure when that point was but it’s solidly in the past.
Someone needs to interrupt these fucking monsters and tell them nobody cares about their imaginary friends
Since the creation of the “God hates gays” picket signs. Probably before then.
A little before that, i think? Maybe since The Crusades?
Religion can certainly be problematic but I think its worth bringing up how monotheism specifically acts as a mind virus at its worst. It’s inherently exclusivist and closed minded, priming people to see those that don’t believe in their god as not human and can even act as justification to bring pain, suffering and death upon nonbelievers. It’s also inherently centralized and authoritarian which is why it to works synergistically with oppressive forms of governence.
Polytheism is riddled with mystical thinking but, generally, beleiving in more than one god makes it more difficult to use it as a justification to hurt people that don’t believe in your god. By having a wide variety of divinities it is naturally decentralized.
Christianity wiped out Roman polytheism with relative ease and ushered in a millenia long dark age. Politicians/Rulers of long past and even today recognize the coercive and unifying power of monotheism and are often keen to wield it to stamp out dissent and concentrate power.
Monotheism is also effective at priming people to accept autocracy. If you believe in one supreme all knowing deterministic god then it’s not that hard to believe in a human ruler wield absolute power as god’s chosen one.
Democracy and monotheism in many way incompatible phiosophies. It’s why the Greeks, South Asian and indigineous confederacies were able to arrive at democractic systems at various periods in history (they were not monotheist) and also why the West had to institute seperation of church and state to become democratic.
I say this not to disparage spirituality as a whole. I personally have been made better by it and believe that it’s core to the human experience but acknowledge that some do not feel a need for it. What we need to be wary of is monotheism. It has brought great civilizations to ruin and promotes conformity of thought which stifles human ingenuity.
Jesus fuck can these arseholes just get raptured already …
They’re trying to, and they want to take us all with them.
MAGA seem to be on a one way ticket to Jonestown and they are happy to take all of us with them.
The rapture already happened, that’s why people are calling themselves Christians but never actually following Christ’s teachings. The actual believers are long gone.
All three of them!
It was a very small event on November 3, 1973. Interestingly one of the three raptured made big news, but it was covered up. He was a pilot.
I don’t know if you hinted on this, but the story is wild:
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1973#3
I was actually talking about Pan Am flight 160 the same day. This would have been a better story. Wow, that’s crazy. Looks like 2 of them made the news.
I read the Wikipedia article and it looks like the NTSB concluded that conversation and the subsequent “test” they did were inconclusive as the root cause of the engine failure. That specific engine had numerous problems reported prior to the flight and had been taken off and replaced before having even more reported after. It seems to be just coincidental. What’s just as wild to me is that the passenger that was ejected from the plane was even wearing his seatbelt. Explosive decompression still said nuh uh and ripped him out the window.
It turns out that Harambe is the only who got raptured.
On the plus side maybe we can finally put the whole Revelations part of the Bible into the trash can where it (and the rest of it, frankly) belongs
Is this dude on substack a legitimate source? Honest question. We live in the times of lies
I have similar concerns.
What are you looking for? Direct quotes? This has been the MO for decades
I‘m not seeing mention of this on the MRFF site.
This made me think that MRFF might not be reporting objectively about this
You’re not wrong, but the only thing there that’s not arguably correct is calling hegseth little and I guess misspelling his name.
That, and the MRFF site uses AI generated photographs, which always makes me question the veracity of everything associated with it. It’s not an unbelievable claim for me, I’ve been hearing people call for holy war since 9/11, but the way it’s being presented is setting off all kinds of red flags.
It just feels like I’m eating the onion here.
According to the authors profile he’s worked at a bunch of known places in the past
I’ve heard of a bunch of known places…
“I’m an independent journalist whose reporting is made possible by reader support. As a former executive producer at MSNBC, I helped create Up w/ Chris Hayes and previously was a senior producer on Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann.”
See also www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanlarsen
I really hope this photo is real.
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Tiny hands confirmed
It’s not. Or at least it’s not a recent picture.
Proof: old.reddit.com/r/AngryCops/…/angrymemereview/ “submitted 2 months ago”
And most probably was AI slop also back then.
Slop gonna cost elections
How is that link proof of anything?
It doesn’t matter anyways. If the Whorehouse can use AI to prove trump is a viral young soccer player, we can also use AI to prove he’s an unstable maciac who screams at Kegsbreath everyday.
Nothing is real, everything is permitted.
I don’t understand your question. Can you elaborate? Are you implying that reddit fakes submission dates to protect Trump?
I’m not really surprised.
Did you just double down on your mistake? Impressive firmness! Very good!
he looks like matt gaetz.
Pretty sure that bit about rapture also mentions the antichrist proclaiming himself as savior, right?
Trunp really did see all those god emporer memes.
Religion is a cult.
This is literal proof.
Jesus was not real. The bible is fiction.
Grow up.
Jesus most likely existed though.
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The persona of jesus is more likely a representation of a variety of different characters from different stories and fables that were retold and well known at the time, as well as contemporary characters from the first few centuries AD.
"most likely" is not actual historical evidence. And there is no historical evidence that the 'jesus' referenced in the christian bible ever lived. As a matter of fact, he was called Yeshua (which translates to Joshua) in the bible stories. Jesus is a greek/latin translation.
Finding historical facts outside of the bible is necessary to verify fiction from fact. We all know that Methuselah could not be 969 Years Old, humans cannot live that long, and 2000 years ago mortality rates were 20-45 years old, not 969.
Imagine being sent to the other side of the world so you can die in the hopes of fulfilling a Doomsday Prophecy from somebody else’s pedophile religion.
It’s just so stupid, so embarrassing. You guys need to get rid of these clowns ASAP.
These people need to be stopped.
Wow…what a way to divorce the US military from reality and play into a fantasy conspiracy that Israel is somehow central to some scheme by the Illuminati, the Jesuits, the Freemasons, and the Zionists.
Western leaders folks…these champions are losing their marbles all over the floor.
I mean, I’m not convinced yet, but… Just saying, recent events have made me more open to the idea.
Seconding… Especially for those interested in esoteric/occult texts.
Labelling something as a definitive: “play into a fantasy conspiracy” is manipulative bias. You do not know with certainty either way.
I’m pretty sure Israel doesn’t feel that way.
And they believed it?
Murricans always telling us we should be afraid of the mad militaristic, totalitarian theocracy
Tell me again what’s the difference between this and when you called “dangerous barbarians” to those islamic countries calling for a yihad?
Oh, right… they had the wrong color of skin and the wrong god…
Well… Pretty much the same god, the christians just deny the relevancy of the 3rd book in the series.
For those who haven’t seen the depths of christian nationalism, check out Jesus Camp which came out 20 years ago (those kids are adults now)
Another relevant documentary: Praying for Armageddon
Why do are these people doing it in such a complicated way? They have thousands of nukes, they could immanentize the eschaton today. Just launch all nukes into Russia and China. Problem solved, armageddon achieved.
That’s exactly what they’re talking about. It’s too overt to be called foreshadowing, this is more like fiveshadowing.
They need everything they’re doing to line up with the prophecies in their magic books
So does that mean Donnie is going to go to Iran personally? To light a fire on the ground? With his own manly bear hands?
Seems likely. I wonder who will play the part of Jesus. Russell Brand?
he is a homless wife beater look, who is also has the crazy eyes.
I vote for Bill Bailey.
What was it we were talking about?
Putin never goes to frontline himself, unless its under russian control. likely not for bonespurs.
Tell me it’s a Russian/Chinese bot. Because if real, it’s some Daesh level motive, so it’s pretty concerning
yank does the most yankee thing ever
Omg russians!!! China!!!
allchronology.com/…/trump-the-rapture-and-the-rea…
Last year a lot of those crazies proclaimed via social media, that the rapture was imminent and prepared themselves by undressing, writing last messages to the sinners who’ll be left behind or they even sold their homes. Can’t remember but it could actually have been when the 12 days war with Iran happened.
This rapture thing already should’ve happened a few times, just like with every end times prophecy. The fact the orange menace is in bed with the ultraorthodox christian movements (Dominionists, Seven Mountain Mandate) is well know since his first presidency. Same with their believes about the end-times. That he seems more like the anti christ is no problem for them as they believe, as stated in the article, that god will choose a flawed vessel for the mission.
LOL!!! 'Cause they’re gonna need that money in heaven. These people have absolute shit for brains.
They’ve completely infiltrated the military. Or maybe the sick ass military welcomed them and was looking for them. Fucked either way.
Yay! Death cult is doing death cult things!
once the 7 trumpets and angels return you, they will smite humans instead.
Killing girls going to school. Good plan, God. Well done, you fuckin idiot.
Don’t pin it on God, he doesn’t exist. This is purely human levels of evil.
I know that, you know that, and I think they know that. Their idiot followers (or whatever you want to call them) don’t though, so pinning things on God is an age old scam that always works.
Republicans version of God doesn’t like educated women. They get all uppity and start wanting things like equal rights. Gotta stop it at the root.
This is what cultists do when they see their reckoning coming. Rev Jones made his followers drink Kool aid (flavor aid actually) when US Senators visited and found he was keeping people against their will. Trump and his crazies will do the same. Remember … Trump could have just been impeached, or not elected in the first place.
Couldn’t even be bothered to splurge on the good stuff on the way out. Bet he skimped on the sugar as well.
No, MAGA doesn’t have the “embrace of death” ideology that much. I feel they’re trying to “score points” with Jesus by simply killing as many “undesirables” as they can get their hands on, and some MIGHT kill themselves when they realize He ain’t coming back.
There is no way MAGA actually believe in any decent version of religion.
Don’t forget his people fucking shot the senator and his people. He knew it was over after that.
God is all powerful. Also, God needs you to commit war crimes to win this illegal war that he really wants to win. Like, you’re the only way he can win this war. Do it for our all powerful God.
I’d like this “god” to come down and say it themselves. Thanks.
Best I could find:
theonion.com/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule…
Why does God need a starship?
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I don’t know how much of a religious person i am, but i am also quite sure that none of this in the Bible, not at all. I should know i i own two versions of the text.
Do you want to fight another ‘holy war’? I think not.
Revelation is vague enough they can get anything from it
Jesus thought he was coming back in a few years.
Matthew 16:27-28 “For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Revelations was written after Jesus’s death. John of Patmos was not an apostle. Both Nero and Domitan (latter most likely epoch/context of Revelations) were widely hated and flawed, and meant as a call to rise up and overthrow these dictators. The Romans exiling him to Patmos, specifically did so because it seemed an imminent threat to them rather than a 2000+ years later threat.
Yes, the romans (from the known documentation survived from the period) saw these movements and uprisings as political-administrative threats. It is know that, of the roman representatives cited in the bible, these actions aren’t cited in the documentation. We also know that romans had a thing foto writings and documents for such procedures. They used to be a violent bureaucratic centralised power. The archeological evidences seem to prove that the gospels were written with many real places in mind, but the key details are interpretative or missing. 2000 years might be a lot in terms of human lives, but archelogical evidences work on a different time frame, and 2000 years isn’t enough to undo so many evidences. With that in mind, i don’t think any of that can be proven so rigidly if you understand what i mean.
As soon as you can get the ~40,000 different denominations of Christianity to agree what “the important parts” are, which atrocities to heed, and which to ignore, you let us all know
Okay, what these people need is not death sentence, but a life sentence in an asylum.
Ah yes, the good ol’ loving God wants you to slaughter his own childr---- WAAAAAIIIITTT A MINUTE!!
“No one knows the day or the hour except for my Father. And this orange pedophile who shits himself. That’s gonna make sense in a few thousand years.” - Jesus, probably.
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Christians always looking for new and fun ways to make the world a worse place. At least theyre on brand.
Israel know about this? I mean Jesus, they don’t recognize him as a son of God. Why Israel is fighting for someone they don’t give a shit?
Lunatic calls leader already doing land grab genocide.
Says he’ll give access to largest military in the world because it will
distract from the filesbring about the end times from his weird death cult prophecy.“Sounds good, bud”
Of course Israel knows about this, these people are the main reason that the US has supported their genocide for decades
The Crusades 2.0
I would like our nobles to get lost in a desert and be massacred by the locals.
Well, I think it’d be like the 7th(?) Crusade but this time it’ll work out!!
These people are mentally ill
And they hold power.
Correction, the people that hold power are cynical bastards that are playing these mentally ill evangelicals and other religious crazies.
Actually, a fair number of those that hold power are high on their own supply. They’re just also smart enough to use that supply to manipulate others too.
Neurotypicals will blame anything on illness rather than admit they too are capable of systemic evil.
Trump is mentally ill.
And liberals will blame everything on the figurehead rather than admit the system is what the system does.
SOME liberals. MOST liberals know the system is fucked. We just can’t fix it because there is a disease in America that, rather than fighting it, we feed it. It’s called billionaires oligarchs. It’s form of societal cancer. These leeches feed on the work done by others - just look at Musk and Bezos…these c#nts are total parasites who provide no valuable service with their own hands. They’re less productive than middle management…but, they figured out the system…who to fuck when…literally or figuratively. They used that knowledge yo build a cult of personality. You want to fix this system…destroy the cancer that’s killing it. Until then? You’re just blowing smoke, my friend. This system isn’t getting fixed while certain men live. I’m NOT calling for violence, so MODS, pay attention. The cancer can be removed without violence. It’ll be harder…but it can be done.
The world doesn’t fit into smart quips and summaries.
You speak too broadly to be considered serious.
And fake progressives will blame everything on (((the system))) rather than admit that their cynicism is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Religion literally is a set of persistent delusions, if you go by psychological definitions, that do not have a specific carve out for religious beliefs.
All religions are cults that just got really popular and/or lasted for a long time.
Plot twist, Jesus is an alien and that’s why Trump wanted to release the alien files
I mean we have adults who identify as MAGA and believe anything Orange Jesus tells them, so I am not surprised some of them found their way into the military
25% or more of his base is evangelical, and believes war in the middle east will bring about the second coming of (angry,) Jesus, whom will bring the faithful to heaven and drown the world in lakes of blood and fire. Finally, right?
Orange Jesus doesnt work anymore.
The leader of the most powerful nation that sets off Armageddon, is the anticrist in their book.
You know, believing oneself to be the antichrist DOES mean you are pretty much the most important and impactful human on the planet. Like Time Person of the Year multiplied by Jesus.
That sounds like peak narcissism.
That makes me think it could be true. :/
He matches up to revelations a little too well. It could only have been deliberately manufactured. They literally think they can trick God into kicking off the end times.
Anti-christ still has christ in it.
Checkmate libtard!
Cheeto Antichrist
It’s a doomsday cult.
Trump and God. The two true Gods. /s
How much more stupid lies will the world accept? This is insanity.
How many kids have to die for the lies of USA? For the lies of Israel?
Bravo USA, Bravo Israel.
From Abraham’s first hallucinations that the god El promising him the Levant, to Moses admitting that a demon Yahweh impersonated El to fill Abraham’s head with such warmongering delusions, to King David’s victory took 1700 years. No matter how passionate your belief in every schitzos voices in their head’s call for war, when it takes that long to gain control, coincidence rather than divine power to make things/miracles happen, becomes a better argument than the existence of either divine intervention at all, or of a chosen people.
Christianity, turned back into Divine right of Kings in first millenium. Criminal heresy to suggest that Jesus’s humanist points should ever contradict Empire’s warmongering or authoritarianism. That military hierarchy would rely on Old testament demonism is tradition that gives them more power.
The only possible interpretation of Jesus defeating the forces of evil, is that the evil side is the Epstein warmongering regime. The punch line, is that demonic Abrahamic supremacists are converted to Jesus in the end, and so military should interpret this order as attacking Israel and their corrupt hierarchy.
Oooh, I’m not familiar with this lore - where it’s from?
Remember kids, if you’re pro-King, you’re pro-Christianity!
exodus 6:3 (moses narrative) Yahweh tells Moses that even though Abraham thought his commandments were coming from El, that it was secretly Yahweh impersonating El.
Abraham, like other tribes/cities in Levant, believed in El. But he didn’t believe in the polytheist 70 sons and pantheon of El. Yahweh was one of these sons. Bible has no story of a coup against El by Yahweh, just that Yahweh is transported to the father role, and is Jealous of his mother, but due to teleportation to throne, now his wife, Asherah. Under David, Yahweh sentences the 70 sons to death.
What could be worse than incompetent, racist lunatics? Incompetent, racist lunatics that are also religious fanatics.
You forgot to mention the whole dictator plans, that’s the pressing concern here.
The fascism almost means less when you acknowledge that they are literally trying to destroy the world, well, other than that’s how they plan to do it. But that’s what they’re trying to do, destroy the world with fire like “god” said “he” would do. They are trying to force “god’s” hand by lining up all the prerequisites from their fucking fairytale. Religion is the worst cancer on the planet.
All religious fanatics are incompetent, racist lunatics.
And we gave them the keys to everything.
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Trump would suffer no political fallout from holding up a baby to keep from getting shot. Unfortunately, real life is much worse than that movie.
I didn’t see this shit on GameFaqs! That’s all it takes to kick off the end of the world?
I am trying to think of how we would have responded to this when I was in the military
We already had a 1st Sergeant who used soldiers to pick up trash at his church and gave soldiers on extra duty the option to go to his church on Sunday to avoid extra duty
That 1SG got forced retirement pretty quick
But a commander? Not sure how to handle that one
There’s no easy solution, because it’s like trying to treat a cancer that has already been growing for generations and is already metastasizing. Ironically, the best bet from a wide perspective is probably a combination of supporting religious diversity (more institutions who don’t share their views), and even moreso a healthy, science-respecting educational system. These groups thrive most in rural areas with the poorest access to education. They perceive college as a threat for good reason - because their entire worldview is a hot garbage house of cards that immediately crumbles under the slightest scrutiny.
Free public college is the biggest threat to them.
I figured Jesus would be the last person Trump would want to meet.
Matthew 18:6
Given this entire administration’s relationship to children, and their hijacking and warping of the Gospel and manipulation of naive belivers to create a doomsday death cult, I’d say we’re far overdue for millstones to go up in demand as much as RAM has.
I’m sure we will be able to vote our way out of this.
Any sources for this? I don’t trust substack stuff
This is the right question. This doesn’t sound unlikely given what we know about Hegseth, but I have no clue who Jonathan Larsen is or why we should trust him.
Another aspiring journo in the age of microblogs.
That said, MRFF has their post about it, and they seem legit…
I’m not surprised if it’s real, as it’s exactly what they believe and been fueling for a long time. It’s just that substack tends to be filled with right wing idiots, poor quality self proclaimed journalists and people trying to get popular with clickbait and fake news bullshit. So anything on there I see as (in Intel terms) highly untrustworthy and mostly unlikely in general. Doesn’t mean some things can be true, or partially true.
I don’t know if Hegseth would be inclined to do this, but I could imagine there being a subculture among some commanders that would manifest this way.
These people are not fit to lead. This is insane…
Even the Bible says no human will know the hour or the day.
Who an I kidding, no one involved here read the Bible.
While that’s true, it did give a year. We’re just over 180 years past that particular year.
Source?
Googling seems to indicate it did no such thing.
It’s somewhere in Numbers. There’s a prophecy that refers to the last great census of Jerusalem. It refers to time in days, but had previously mentioned that days in this context refer to years. There would be a certain number of years before the Messiah would appear, though they use a flowery title to refer to him, and another number of years before he would be struck down. It then goes on to say that he would return after X number of years. If you do the math, those years come out to 5BC, 27CE, and 1844CE.
Ah yes The Great Disappointment
Not clear what makes this particular set of assumptions about how some numbers might be the date of apocalypse any more special than the many, many others, though.
en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_dates_predicted_for_ap…
Also started The Baha’is who don’t seem to be disappointed at all.
Former Christian here: I can confirm that no verse directly specifies a date. However Revelations folk are a special breed.
The best one I can find is the 7000 year old earth theory.
Basically it hinges off Genisis saying Man lives for 120 years, and if you multiply that by the amount of Jubilee years (every 50 years in Hebrew tradition) you get 6000. 4000 till Jesus, 2000, till his return, 1000 years of sabbath. Than god will remake the heavens and the earth. For a total of 7000.
It’s a bunch of conjecture that would make biblical numerologists proud.
www.reddit.com/r/Bibleconspiracy/…/lo0vbhx/?share…
No, it gave a bunch of feverish hallucinatory bullshit that was so vague across thousands of years that it could mean anything.
Source: I grew up with christian apocalypse preppers.
I’m referring to a specific timeline set out in numbers that most Christians totally ignore, especially apocalyptic Christians.
The Jehovah’s witnesses were set up specifically because of this prophecy, and even they decided he was late by the end of the 1800s
There’s almost certainly a reason. I can’t google fu the verse but if you find it please lmk.
I’d imagine the answer to why it’s not generally accepted can be found by comparing translations. Likely it’s the King James or one of the less colloquial ones being ‘misinterpreted’ to suggest a timeframe. But I am speculating here.
The main reason is that it is really obscure. I’ll see if I can find it.
Edit: yeah, I’m not finding it. It basically says that from the time of the last great census of Jerusalem there would be a certain number of days (days mean years in this part of Numbers.) until the firmament was restored, referring to the Messiah, another number of days before it would be shattered, referring to his death, and a third number of days before the glory of God would appear. When you do the math, those years become 5BCE, 27CE, and 1844CE
That’s what leads me to believe you read it in a specific translation. Old English does a lot of heavy lifting for those revelations folks.
Could be, I dunno. I’m not Christian, but my parents sent me to Catholic school because it had better rates of higher education among its graduates than the local public school. The Catholics took me not being a Christian personally and only let me read the Bible. So I read it, and started confronting priests and religion teachers with questions they couldn’t answer because I’m an obstinate little shit like that.
I went to a protestant private school, and a bit of a looney one at that. (Charismatic Christianity)
So like you’re 100% certain it was in the book of numbers? IIRC Catholics have other books protestants don’t. "Deuterocanonical (Apocrypha) Books google says "
I’m certain it wasn’t in the apocrypha that’s a separate book at least at the school I went to. I am certain it was Old Testament, and not New Testament. Other than that, I’m pretty sure it was one of the books that got separated into parts I and II, but I couldn’t tell you if it was the first or second part.
I got turned onto that particular passage by a Baha’i I was talking to outside of the school, now that I think about it. They used it as proof that Christ had already returned and the Christians missed it as hard as the Jews missed their Messiah.
If by that you mean, prehistory’s Q-anon scraping together vague gestures towards barely discernable timelines and a massive knob polishing for the people of Israel, then yah.
From this they decided that this was a “key” for translating the other vague messages that deal with timelines. It was entirely assembled and patched together in the imagination of men who needed hobbies.
This is a weird vulnerability in the human condition that our minds developed faster than our actual innate sense of reason and logic. We are the same species we were 5000 years ago, and the same species we were 100,000 years ago, just with more fancy tools around us. Still searching for meaning in abstraction, still trying to find some personal validation in a cold, uncaring and basically random universe.
The verse I am referring to is in numbers it gives the last great census of Jerusalem as the starting year. It says x number of years would pass before the firmament was restored, referring to the Messiah, y number of years before the firmament would be shattered, referring to his death, and z number of years before the glory of God would appear.
We know when that census occured. When you do the math those years are 5BCE, 27CE, and 1844CE.
It’s okay lots of people who believe in God believe they can trick god.
When I reflect back on my evangelical upbringing this always stands out. Somehow they think their omnipotent deity can be tricked by a loophole in his own rules which in and of itself would at least prove he’s not omnipotent
“Ah that rascal put it in her butt, ah well have fun kids.”
My evangelical parents got wrapped up in this line of thinking in the 90s right around the time teenage me was becoming disillusioned with the indoctrination I’d been raised in. Classic “end of the Millennium” fears and the hope they could jumpstart Armageddon convinced them to send money to Christian charities who supposedly then paid to move poor Jewish people in former Soviet states to Israel. Sure God was going to destroy the Earth in 10000 years, but oops, guess y’all forced his hand!
You should check out the book Hell is a World Without You.
It’s not gonna change your world or anything but with that upbringing you’ll really enjoy it
There’s a story I heard from Judaism, where the rabbis were arguing about whether god was cool with something or not. One rabbi was against all of the other rabbis, and asked god to prove him right. God personally spoke up, and was like “yeah, he’s entirely correct” - but the rabbis end up telling off god. They point out that they only have the rules he sent down to work with, and having to call him for help every time they need a ruling wouldn’t be fair or reasonable.
It happens in many faiths. Jewish people are famous for arguing god’s law and finding loopholes. I used to work with a Palestinian guy, who grew up in Jordan. He told me that it was relatively common for a group of men to put liquor in a teapot and drink it out of teacups so god didn’t notice.
The Bible also says life begins at the first breath and has instructions for an abortion ritual.
People still underestimate the role of christian fundamentalism in this ongoing trainwreck. When you have a religious institution whose image of God is quite literally an abusive father, who all worship power above all else, whose church policies are to spread as far and wide as possible and systematically “train”(ie., abuse) their own children into actively seeking out every position of power possible to force their worldview onto everyone - it was only a matter of time before this all happened.
These are people who genuinely believe the war on terror is a holy war. Their entire social network is meticulously designed to draw a dichotomy between themselves (apart from the world), vs everyone else (the worldly), to isolate their own against outside views, and indoctrinate their children throughout their entire lives to vigorously proselytize on the one hand, and be ready to eliminate anyone who opposes their worldview on the other. And many of them are bloodthirsty.
Best case scenario these nut bags wipe themselves out. Worst case scenario nuclear armageddon.
They WANT the world to be wiped out in Armageddon, they don’t actually believe in death, they think if nukes turn the world to ash and cinders that Jesus will come save them and it will be fulfilling prophecy. They want maximum damage and they want the whole world to burn. And I’m not even exaggerating.
A lot of people really don’t get this, that evangelical christianity is a fucking death cult, this is why they’ve wanted Israel to literally blow up the entire middle east and spark WW3 for decades now, because to them it would mean prophecy is being fulfilled. And these people work in the highest levels of our government right now.
I grew up in a family of Christian apocalypse preppers, they wanted Israel to take control of Palestine and the entire middle east for their entire lives until they drank themselves to death.
Anyone returning named Jesus would be deported to El Salvador.
At least these psychopathic Christian evangelical Zionists are being honest about their goals. They want the Rapture or end of the world because they think that forcing ww3 will make Jesus return. This is why Christian evangelicals support Israel no matter how depraved their policies because they believe they will start ww3 and that’s what they want. Christian nationalism is dangerous. It’s been bad for a long time and people like Mike Huckabee have been working towards this goal for decades. We used to regard these people as crazy but now we put all the crazies and narcissists in charge and that’s why everyone sane is depressed with crippling anxiety.
Canada needs to arm ourselves. These people are fucking crazy and are gearing up take everything from everyone else.
Against a military with a $T budget?
Oh well, when you put it like that maybe we should just roll over and bite the pillow then
That seems to be the answer for everything on this site. I left reddit because I didn’t like all of the doom scrolling, nihilistic, bullshit posts, yet they’re here too now.
Beat me to it. I would love to have some place where I could go without having to read anything about US related.
I dont mind the presence of these articles. I like to be in the know. I like the opportunity to engage in a constructive nuanced discussion that you can no longer find on Reddit, and can be found in abundance on Lemmy.
What effects me most is that, whether honest (human), not (bots) or covert (intelligence agencies), the defeatism, acceptance and obeyance in advance is the fundamental barrier to meaningful change. It catches, it spreads and it demoralises. It is the boot on our collective necks.
We need to be more mindful of spreading our nihilism to each other, unless we’re happy being part of the problem. More solutions, more raising each other up, less wallowing.
I agree with you, but the usual “absolutely nothing can be done except armed insurrection” you see here is just another flavor of the same doomerism.
That might be where we have to go. But even that will fail without solidarity, organization and clear ideas of what will replace the current, evil and corrupt system.
It’s not even just US related subjects though. There was just a post the other day about physical media(photos, dvds, etc.) and I posted a comment detailing pricing out a local NAS so you can backup your shit to it(because physical media can get destroyed) and replies I got were the whole “digital stuff can get destroyed too”, “ransomware”, “it’s about the experiences! you can’t have that with digital!”, “prices are CRAZY for computer stuff!”(even though I linked products at reasonable prices and people said it isn’t that price anymore, CLICK THE LINK DUMBASS!).
And it’s all an asinine argument because you can DO BOTH. Have your physical photos AND back them up digitally.
It’s all or nothing with some people and it’s infuriating. It feels like I’m arguing with children over ice cream flavors. Yeah, chocolate is good, but I prefer strawberry and then it devolves into “CHOCOLATE ONLY FOR EVERYONE!”.
Stupid either/or thinking seems to be getting increasingly prevalent. I think it’s being promoted to train us to not think in a nuanced, resilient way. It’s like their goal is learned pseudo-autism.
I’m convinced it’s part of state sponsored propaganda and influence campaigns. The tactic is to always belittle any idea, frame everything as pointless, and divide opposition.
So many comments like, “if you can’t even get people to go vote, how do you think they’ll resist?”
I’m tired of it. I think the only way to combat it is to set up heavily moderated areas where cynicism is flagged and removed. But man, even that’s a slippery slope, to easy for mods to take over to enforce discussion only around what they want.
But however it’s going to be done, I want people ready to act. And stop with this cynical, defeatist BS.
Exactly. And ideas don’t have to be perfect to be functional. Or at least a good starting point.
Cynicism seems smart even when it’s not. That seems to be the way it works, and I think I read it’s been shown scientifically.
I’m deeply cynical in the ancient meaning of the term (and not in the ancient literal meaning of living like a dog): based on long experience, I am convinced that people are largely motivated by their (self-perceived) self-interest. I’ve met a few people with other motivations, but they’re prominent in my memory because of their rarity.
But that doesn’t mean I’m checked out: I just know that there’s a continuing struggle to counter that pro-nihilist brainwashing.
For big decisions, it always boils down to MICE. Money, identity, coercion and ego. One can think of exceptions, but you basically have to look at medical pathologies.
For little decisions, what about empathy? People will genuinely show it when confronted by something on the spot.
It’s definitely aimed at promoting learned helplessness.
Make the USA bleed for every centimeter of land. Get even the MAGAts to be tired of the significant losses they reconsider. This didn’t stop with Venezuela and won’t stop with Iran. If the USA starts coming to the negotiating table you strike first. Because we just showed we cannot be trusted at all.
Very little has actually changed in Venezuela, besides some manipulation of the oil market.
Here’s the thing. Regardless of where Trump is attacking, the US can inflict state terror by aerial bombardment, which is costly in money terms but doesn’t lead to many US casualties. But if the goal is actual regime change, rather than just destruction of infrastructure and a high civilian body count, that requires occupation. Boots on the ground lead to high casualties and Americans coming home in body bags. So far, Trump hasn’t gone there, because (despite his incompetence, narcissism and greed) he is also very concerned about his popularity.
As opposed to what?, taking on the largest military force in world history with a few guns, a dozen fighter jets?
Not you of course, other people.
It would be a slaughter and the US would be done day one by lunch. This is reality, not Hollywood.
Fucking Toronto collapsed into depression and inactivity two weeks into COVID lockdowns.
People the world over have been showing that a huge military budget can be fought with guerilla tactics for decades. Canada absolutely can resist the US.
I’m actually going for the droning-their-fucking-legs-off angle but yeah you fight however your pretty heart wants to.
That’s not how budgets work. The US has a massive air carrier fleet where do you think they got that from did it just spring into existence no they paid for it.
the world is using moving away from using the US dollar as the world’s default currency. They’re not going to have unlimited amounts of money for much longer.
Thats also the reason why they could get bankrupt. USA is doing Hitlers war economy at this point. Get loan for war, rob other countries (in this case oil) and try to pay off the debt.
We will see if this will work out in the end… I do not know much about state financials, but this seems insane to me: www.usdebtclock.org
unless they invade other countries and take it. See Venezuela.
“Taking” Venezuala cost us money and won’t net a profit for decades, if ever. GTFO with your doomerism BS, bot!
So you just pointed out the reason why you SHOULDN’T capitulate. Because you’ll just be another piggy bank that the USA will bleed dry too for endless wars. Then you’ll be worse off than the average USA citizen.
They haven’t taken anything. The US oil companies have zero interest in Venezuela primarily because setting up operations would be prohibitively expensive.
Cost benefit analysis is a thing and the Trump administration are far too stupid to be able to cope with it. Essentially it may not actually be worth exploiting another country, this being a concept that Trump cannot understand because he has the brain of a chronically depressed fruit fly.
a budget indebted of chinese, arab, russian, etc. holders of U.S. dollars and assets? have you tried to wake up a little?
Running the country into military debt is how the US broke down the Soviet Union.
Worked for Afghanistan. No one thinks that we have a chance in a conventional warfare scenario, and we absolutely don’t, which is why we will not make it a conventional warfare scenario. It will be an insurgency where everyone looks just like them. And that insurgency will 100% spread south.
Pretty sure our military budget is higher than Al-Qaeda’s.
Ignorant comment. 176,000 Afghanis died and they are still at war. This thread is a bunch of clueless keyboard warriors.
I believe they’re talking of the Russia-Afghan war not the USA-Afghan war. But if you think many lives wouldn’t be lost under occupation you’re obviously not arguing with a full deck.
Yeah, not OP, but I’m well aware of how much it would suck. This should be plan Z. It’s still an important one, though.
Lol pot meets kettle, film at 11.
Finland won the winter war outnumbered 100 to 1
Their deadliest sniper was subject to more air and artillery strikes than some military units and he kept fighting.
Yeah they are built different. And so are we. Imagine these southerners invade us in the winter lol
What’s Canadian for sisu?
They asked someone in the Greenland government how they’d counter a winter invasion: “We won’t go out and rescue them.”
Then promptly allied with the Nazis when they knew they could not beat them, and only got rid of them when they were in retreat late in the european war.
Yeah, but it’s run by absolute morons. All the guns in the world won’t stop you from shooting yourself in the foot.
Partisan warfare. They need to train as many people as possible and arm them. Have a ready made resistance force.
This is also why all information sharing on Canadians to the Americans must stop.
What budget? It’s all just debt.
We can shut down those pricey hospitals and schools.
I suppose Franch and Poland shoulda done the same.
Likely hundreds of thousands of lives were saved by surrender. Read some history. Most of those armies would have countered the Nazis with swords and horses.
Pretty sick of keyboard warriors advocating we spend like the US for war toys, to end up exactly like the US, a nation of people in crippling debt, no health care, with a huge number of war machines.
Also, Franch is not a country, it is an experimental French-Ranch dressing from Madrigal Electromotive.
People are advocating not turning over for the fascists like they did in the 1930s. But I can see how it’s appealing to let concentration camps, public executions, and a country that will bleed you dry do so.
We just have to be at least as strong as the Taliban, if it comes to that.
How much of that $1T is actually translating into anything useful on the battlefield, versus lining Trump cronies’ pockets? And how many of the expensive systems that are actually purchased are vulnerable to attacks by cheap drones or other asymmetric tactics?
Guess who Canada buys arms from?
If you mean small arms then surprisingly enough its mostly Canada made or European.
Most of Canada’s armoured vehicles are either Canadian made or German. For example, their main battle tanks are German (Leopard 2).
A lot of Canadian artillery is made up of French and British pieces.
It’s really just the Air Force that’s dominated by US equipment.
Oh I’m certain they will be as effective on fat white Americans as they are on the brown people the fat white Americans predominantly use them on. It’s less about who we buy them from than who we point the business end at when it’s business-doin’ time.
You’re certain?
Have you head of a “kill switch”? Check it out
Anyway, it’s ALL about ‘who you buy them from’. That’s the point, friend
Yes, true in certain cases.
Where is the kill switch on a claymore? Or an AR-15? Given that we are only buying token F-35s now, the compromised gear won’t comprise very much of our supply. Any resistance to a us invasion would absolutely have to be guerilla-oreinted, we would be curb-stomped in any typical theatre. Nothing we could use to make any kind of impact would be “modern”.
You don’t install a kill switch into analog, friend, all of that goes without saying.
But that targeting system for your howitzer? That’s another matter, there are CERTAINLY such vulnerabilities, it’s not science fiction.
That’s the one facet of detachment we already have well underway. The big debate right now is German-Norwegian vs. Korean subs. German self-propelled howitzers are also a shoe-in.
(Meanwhile, the big goal with trade is to get America down to just half of our business in a decade, and people seem to think that’s ambitious)
Edit: Oh, and the F-35 purchase is being gone through yet again, and Saab is trying to sell us their plane instead yet again.
French make really good howitzer trucks. I was considering one since they are designed to suit 4 operators and they’re roughly the same price as a house in Missisauga or Guelph. I figure you have to be able to finance one if you can live in it.
There are a lot of reasons to despise Trump, don’t get me wrong
… but I think his total disruption of our typical web of influence is a GOOD THING, in the long run.
The USA imperial beast (which is really just the UK imperial beast with a change in headquarters) has played the “good guys” for far too long, it’s nice to have the cards out on the table for all to see. Not the good guys. Haven’t been the good guys for a very long time. Those days are gone.
Nobody really looks at the past decades that way here, and even in the third world there’s plenty of America fans.
You tried to hedge that, but you’re basically just agreeing with QAnon, on grounds of a different conspiracy theory.
There’s ZERO conspiracy theory, friend.
Wacko s
Is there a reputable source for this? Smells like rage-bait…
MRFF has their post about it and they seem legit, but beyond that I dunno what t tell you…
Yes, I read that. That organization and this substack article quote and link each other, but I haven’t seen this story elsewhere. Which is weird, because it’s world news. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, just trying to get multiple points-of-view…
Same, I searched for an alternative source, and all of the sources were either unknown, or well known low quality tabloid like sites.
I can only hope after the fallout clears and the species survives that we outright ban all religions as a species.
Best I can do is a cult that worships and makes sacrifices to the only surviving Zoltar animatronic fortune teller after the nuclear apocalypse.
Mossad commanders laughing their asses off at people like this
Jesus fucking christ.
This is why you never let the extremist religious psychos take over your government, secularists have been screaming about this for literally decades
Hundreds of years. Many of the so-called founding fathers of the US were not christian. This is likely why the separation of church and state is in the Constitution.
Christian death cult gonna death cult. This is what we deserve for allowing these morons into power.
What part of thief in the night do these fuckers not understand?
The fucking hubris to think a human shithead can force His return.
Nice to see a Christian (I assume) push back on this bullshit.
So they admit that Trump is the Antichrist?
Religious fundamentalists in a death cult vs Religious fundamentalists in a death cult
The common people should just send all these lunatics to Mars.
Sending thlose lunatics to Mars costs resources we don’t have and cause pollution. IMO, running them through with a machinegun is easier.
I think studies from almost a hundred years ago show that the people with the guns do not fare well gunning down large numbers of people and it’s inefficient. I think they came up with some higher efficiency methods…
So wasteful. Feed them into a mulcher and use them to reseed the rainforests.
I feel like Musk has ingested chemicals that would poison the ground.
Fair point. I feel like the last thing we want is the bodily fluids of those pedophiles further violating the Earth as a final gesture.
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“friends”
They might actually be closing to getting it. Maybe.
Maybe they should read this: benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-sp…
On the other hand… “Those kids would be quite upset if they could read!”
This was even written before he got “shot”
Yeah they are literally trying to speed run the end so they can be mindless automotons in heaven. It’s real fucked up.
These stupid fuckers really think they can bring Armageddon fourth and still get an easy pass to heaven…goddamned morons
I really hope the comming insurgent attacks (like 9/11) target Republican states. Democrats voted against this, and the consequences need to be born by Republican states.
They wouldn’t be interested in penalizing the ‘right’ people, they would be more interested in maximizing damage… Which means the blue areas will likely bear most of the fallout.
Yeah, they target large population centers which trend away from Republican. When you are mixed in with millions of others and have to navigate as well as get along with each other you learn compromise isn’t a dirty word.
I dunno. Mar-a-lago is probably a prime target.
He’s like an Abra and flees every time something threatens him.
I remember in the time after 9/11 when Muslims and Islam were shown in this kind of light while the west was too modern, scientific, and secular to fall prey to this stuff.
Now… now everything they accused Islam of they are actually doing AND the worst of the wordt Muslims are being armed and propped up by them as they always have been.
I need a good strong whisky this weekend…
Anyone who grew up openly atheistic could have told you this was bullshit the entire time, at least in the US. The normalization of Christian lunacy did not start with 9/11.
COVID really did a number on us
Really wish these death cults would get on with it and leave the rest of us the fuck out of it.
I’d be happy to make them some Kool-Aid
To quote George Carlin… “Holy shit”
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These people are legitimately crazy. Like drowning their kids in the bath tub because the voices in their head they think are Jesus told them to “save them,” level of crazy.
Of course they would try and guilt trip the religious people who don’t know any better. I wish more people were aware of the thousands of complaints by military personel about pedophile trump and all his dumb orders. The parade in washington was an absolute disaster and made most of us laugh at donald for how weak he is, the military was pissed they had to stand around for hours.
So about that authoritarian religious regime…
how far would you follow anyone that ate up. lifer ncos maybe, troops not so much;
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Ah yes. The mentally ill are running the military.
You know the GOP are literal traitors to our nation when they just keep brazenly violating our Constitution.
Not sure what more it’s going to take for the general populace to accept that actual real life traitors are running our federal government.
‘GOP brazenly violating our constitution’
Friend, bOtH pArTiEs have been doing this since at least the 1970s.
The FED isn’t constitutional.
Our parties aren’t constitutional.
Going to war without congressional approval isn’t constitutional.
And so on, it’s a very long list.
I find this very hard to believe, especially as it’s coming from some random guy’s substack.
look it up
Some men with butterfly nets should have come and taken him away to a padded room for his own safety.
Christians are salivating for Jews to return to Isreal. I’ve known this since I was raised in the church.
Zephaniah 3:19–20 – God promises to gather His people and bring them home, giving them honor and praise. Hosea 3:5 – Israel will return and seek the Lord and David their king in the last days. Jeremiah 16:14–15 – A greater exodus than Egypt—the Lord bringing Israel back from all nations.
There are easier ways to do that. Just offer a subsidy and cooperation with Israel to fast-track Jewish migration and integration.
Of course, that isn’t why Israel is doing genocide, war, and evil in general. They do it because that makes their leaders feel funny in the nethers.
If god is all powerful, why does he need any amount of humans to do shit for him? Do it yourself, you omnilazy bastard.
American Djihad
he said she said propaganda of the day. next you are going to tell me the co is a chaplain
God ain’t got nothing to do with this, keep him outa your bullshit drunky.
Religion has plenty to do with this unfortunately.
The perversion of religion maybe. None of the abrahamic texts justify this insanity.
I mean, you can interpret them to justify pretty much anything.
This isn’t even a hard case. The Israelites massacre people of other religions, and Iran is at a slightly higher latitude than Isreal so you can shoehorn it into gog and magog.
Im jewish. Im fully aware of the pervervions the Zionists have projected onto the Torah. However, there is a reason that a large portion of the Hassidic community is anti-zionist. The Torah explicitly states that if we have to break any of the rules of Torah to establish Israel, it will never last because it isnt true. That is why they are trying to cause enough chaos for the Messiah to come. And that is why they have been able to get western evangelical christians on board.
I’m an atheist, and ethnically Jewish, for what it’s worth.
I could come at you with all the typical atheist arguments, if you want, but this is Lemmy and that feels repetitive.
And i appreciate that. Then, you should know better than most that lumping jews together with zionists is a dangerous game. I was raised pretty secular so i am only learning the deeper parts of things the last few years. But from what i understand, that is why there is such a massive riff in the orthodox communities. Some jews take those passages literally and forsake the rules ahead of them. Some, like torah jews and certain sects of hassidics, look a it more metaphorically and the rules of YHWH take precedence
Hey, off topic, but do you know any good ways I could get back in touch with the community, as an anti-Zionist atheist?
Honestly, i wish. Ive been struggling to find a safe place to reconnect with that heritage myself. A lot of the standard temples are pretty heavy on zionism. Thats why i was so happy to find out about Torah Jews. I dont know of a Torah specific temple near me though. The most luck ive had is at Unitarian Universalist churches and the internet but that is not the same as having local community of your people
Deuteronomy 20:16-17
1 Samuel 15:3
Hosea 13:16
torahjews.org/our-beliefs
Okay and?
Have you ever read any of the Abrahamic texts?
Deuteronomy 32:40-46 40. For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. 41. If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me. 42. I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy. 43. Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people. 44. And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun. 45. And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel: 46. And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.
Quran 9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
torahjews.org/our-beliefs
Do Torah Jews reject the quoted parts of Deuteronomy 20 and 32, and the other blood-thirsty commandments in mostly Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy?
I mean, yeah. Thats my understanding anyways. Its considered more metaphorical than literal.
Wouldn’t it be better to make a new redacted book that removes all the psychotic verses, and name yourself after this new redacted book rather than the original fairy-tale book?
Maybe but thats kind of what they already did. Modern day zionism was invented to push the jewish people out of europe and destabilize the middle east. That has literally always been its utility
What are the odds nukes start flying once the bunkers finished?
Hmm… I wonder if nuclear winter would slow global warming.
Fucking nutcases. At this rate troops might actually just mutiny
It bet it would work in America, too. The military is popular, and the civilian federal government is not.
Religious people are so easy to manipulate lol
How they don’t see it, when their “pastors” are driving Porsches and living in manions while telling you if you don’t skip a meal so that you can donate to the church you’re gonna go to hell… it’s beyond me.
We had a babysitter whose husband was a pastor and would always talk about being scared for our souls. In her eyes, being a good person and having a private relationship with God was inadequate to avoid going to hell. She truly felt that church attendance and renouncing other religions was the only path to salvation - belief, prayer, and following the teachings of Jesus would be inadequate.
Now I can’t claim to know what God wants. But I can’t see how paying the church and excluding people with different belief systems outweighs kindness.
God has a tendency to want whatever the politically powerful people in whatever religion do, for some reason.
It’s hilarious that these offshoots of Protestantism basically went so deep into the sauce that they became Catholics again. Martin Luther spinning in his grave.
I’ve dated non American Christians. When I tell them I’m agnostic they more than understand my relationship with God is personal but I do have one. I wish Americans could understand this
There is such a huge difference between American Christians and global Christians. If you’re American all that good you’re missing is by and large in the global Christians because by and large the global Christians come from poverty. What America has done to Christianity is disgusting.
Religious people and americans who are famously pretty fucking stupid.
What the actual fuck?
Jesus take the STRATCOM
what the actual fuck
Ah great just another so-called holy war
I wonder if the first one were fought for the pedophiles as well
Yes, they were, on both sides.
I really hope Republican states are the ones that will suffer the consequences of their voting.
what the actual fuck?
Pretty sure being that stupid should prevent you from any job other than jizz mop
This is what Evangelicals actually believe.
Trump’s been groomed by the Heritage Foundation to be America’s perfect president, the Antichrist. He followed orders and fulfilled all the prophecies so we should all believe in Jesus Christ’s return, in the form of AI.
benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-sp…
This is what the billionaires are doing with their money. No doubt the revolutionary AI religious emperor of the world won’t be AGI but something convincing enough and controlled by them.
Words fail me right now, all I can think is: AaaaahhhAAAAAAAAHHHHH!
Can we just launch all the nukes and get it over with already? That’s how this all ends, we already know that, we aren’t going to become better at being people, things are not going to improve. It would be the path of least suffering, at this point.
Strongly disagree. Don’t lose hope.
I doubt people are going to change, short of becoming cyborgs or genetically engineered or something. Things already have, though.
Hope is precisely what landed us in this mess. Reason, pragmatism, and being willing to compromise on ideals is what will get us out, but guess what humans have never shown the capability nor the desire to do as a species throughout literally all of documented human civilization? All we do is escalate, it’s all we’ve ever done, and it has only one possible way of ending. We burned down the first society the moment we made up organized religion, that has been the template ever since. Society is global now, destroying it this time around isn’t something that even the atmosphere will survive.
Not trying to get too much into semantics here, but yes, if you only hope and choose not to act, nothing will be improved. Conversely-ish, hope is needed for many to act. Being without hope will lead many to loudly announce that nothing can be made better, in addition to not acting. Again, we may only be disagreeing on definitions here.
I disagree based on human history, although I admit that our conflicts are much more well documented than our ability to work together.
Do you not think that people have worked together to prevent conflict and bring about a better world? Also, do you not think that we’ve ever worked to improve things, or are you saying that our ability to create conflict is louder than our ability to work against conflict?
Most importantly, what do you believe you’re doing, through your existence? I doubt that you’re going around trying to create conflict in your environment, but: are you?
As long as the planet isn’t absolutely destroyed, I assume the destruction of our species wouldn’t cause the ecosystem to fail entirely. Who knows, though.
Here’s the thing, we are going to destroy the actual planet. Not in that, “tHe pLAnEt WILl bE FInE!” Dumbass semantics shit, we have enough nukes to glass the surface, boil the oveans, and melt the atmosphere that is paired with a literal instinct to use them. The environment required to have an environment won’t exist.
Sure, we’ve “improved” things, and there has been “progress”, but literally all of it came at the cost of decimated societies and genocides for any non western white cultures, and for what boils down to nothing more than convenience that is only allowed to exist because it directly supports and maintains the structure that is a capitalist war machine that is fueled by hate and orphans. Not to mention the amount of species we’ve wiped from this planet with no notice nor regard simply with our basic existence and viral consumption as an unstoppable biomass, let alone those we killed on purpose.
Oh, yeah, I forgot to apply the concept that I’m at the center of all of this. Forgot that I can single handedly fight all of this, like the main character in some short sighted fantasy storybook. Fuck off with this self-centered, woo woo, narcissistically detached, masturbatory nonsense. Pull your dick out of your mouth.
You wrap it ip perfectly there at the end, though with a “Who knows, though?” We do. You don’t, that doesn’t equate to some objective truth. You are literally saying “ignorance is bliss, everything will be great for everyone and everything, tralalalala!” as you ignore blatant realities. You just spent like six paragraphs explaining the joys of being a detached, oblivious, deliberate moron.
Grow the fuck up.
Why are people on forums so mad all the time? I’m trying to talk about the points you raised up - I’m not trying to attack you. If you don’t want to have a productive discussion online, and prefer to have a cathartic release: I can’t stop you.
You’re not psychic and this hasn’t happened yet. We should do everything we can to work against that.
You’re not, but you are human, and therefore a puzzle piece in it all.
Never said that.
If I was that flexible, I probably wouldn’t be on the forums.
Do we?
Where did I say that?
You spent a lot of effort to disparage someone you don’t know who was trying to talk to you respectfully. Have the last word if you want, now.
You just love jerking off up there on your soapbox, huh?
You spent a lot of time there to say absolutely fucking nothing other than reality is too much for you to dane contemplate on a realistic level.
Have fun blowing yourself, there, Chuckles.
Yea, this is gonna be the big one. I can feel it in my bones.
Holy Wars… The Punishment Due
fuckin’ actual HUH-WHAT now’zzles ?? :P
And they are definitely not on the side of god.
I’ve been saying for a while now that the biggest threat facing humanity isn’t climate change but religion. By far.
Capitalism is the sword, religion is the shield. Climate change is the consequence.
Greed is the fuel
When you can justify your actions due to a fuzzy theological belief it’s quite silly. I am an atheist but if there is a god, he gave us the power of reasoning and logic. Then if there is that, why is there any logic to disobey one of ten major rules for humans to live by? He put them in a rock according to the story, wasn’t like hidden words needed to be seen by lemon juice or something. They are quite pronounced in the Bible, so why can thry think don’t kill people doesn’t apply to them?
God sent one kid, why not another if an amendment was needed in the killing but?
I’m a Christian, have been all my life and am proud of it and what I believe. Whatever the F the US is doing is insane, unbiblical, and wildly dangerous.
I’ve said for years that religious power is appealing to narcissists because it is the most absolute form of power you can wield over a person. There will always be someone trying to wield it, because convincing someone your will is God’s will, divine and unquestionable, is power more absolute than any other. Combining that power with the power of government is psychotic. It’s why I’ll always advocate for the absolute separation of church and state.
If you’re a religious person, please be extremely cautious with who you let influence you, and everyone else? Absolutely keep fighting to get religion out of politics and keep it out. It has no business there. Get it out of schools, get it out of laws, get it out of political campaigns. It doesn’t belong there, and having it there is corrosive to both State and Church.
The Bible warns against exactly this sort of thing too, but that’s not the part of the book they like.
Actually its very on-brand with whats in the Bible. Doesn’t make it less bat shit insane.
Climate change is a real threat that will affect the lives of billions of people. The only difference is that it doesn’t happen overnight and people are normalizing its effects.
I do agree with you that western religions seem to be another dividing factor and are used by certain individuals to control their own populations with populist bullshit.
The problem is not the religion per se, but the people who are using it to control the population. And this comes from an atheist.
What the akshuall phuk
The scary thing is not just that commanders may be saying this, but what an extreme outlier the citizens of the USA are when it comes to not being able to differentiate between reality and fairy-tales: csmonitor.com/…/Do-countries-become-less-religiou…
Even when the specific fairy-tales oppose these actions: quotes from Jesus according to the gospels:
“If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.” Matthew 5:39
“Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,” Luke 6:27
The fucking MAGA clowns, their Jewish allies and their Islamic opponents share a lot in fucking common. All of them are religious nutters and should NOT be involved in politics and the military.
Most Israelis aren’t particularly religious. The problem there is extreme, brainwashed nationalism, not religion.
Surely I just ate the onion, yes?
No, but you’ll wish you had.
All powerful deity exists outside of space and time
Needs Donald J Trump
Got it
Hitchens had a book(2007) religion poisons everything. every few years they whip the faithful into a frenzy hoping to make their delusions real. ‘if we don’t reach our money goals, god will take me home’ said another faith leader. this seems like successful Russian propaganda, today anyway. obscure blogger fans flames. army guys don’t go to church a lot.
Hitch was awesome. Thanks for bringing this back to my mind.
I kept reading and reading hoping there was a punchline somewhere.
The punchline was all of us that knew this was happening and got called crazy.
Well now we know what the new Nazi ideology is. I guess it is different than making a blue eyed blonde haired race but I think that was possible with inbreeding.
I guess the billionaires finished their bunkers…
The bunkers aren’t finished until we fill their air vents and encapsulate their blast doors with ready-mix concrete.
Yeah, I know they probably have air-scrubbers, but those won’t last forever.
Billionaires check in. They never check out. Just like roach motels, but far more expensive.
You’ll have to get past their robot protectors to even get close to the bunker. They could even drone strike the bunker if you get too close.
So the Epstein distraction became an Epstein connection. They pretty much believe they’re the descendants of archons ready to bring yaldabaoth here through the end of world scenarios
Wow. America really is fucked.
I’m not very Jesusy but if he existed I doubt he’d annoint that sad old bag of hamburgers.
This time I think the whole world would be fucked thanks for the America.
I’ve been saying Jesus already came back, and he’s been killed or deported to ice concentration camps hundreds of times.
These pshychopaths have never read their own book.
So these ignorant, murderous heretics think they can force God’s hand?
Their hubris knows no bounds.
That’s why these Zionists established Israel in 1948 in the first place
You’d have been called antisemitic for saying this exact thing yesterday.
The reason every Christians nation has turned a blind eye to the Gaza genocide is to fulfill a biblical prophecy of Jews controlling the entirety of Biblical Israel.
Anone here seen “The Brink”?
America is Satan
Nah. Satan was all about gaining knowledge. America is doing the opposite.
Satan had an endgame
TaliTrumps
How can you go in front of your mixed troops and start waxing lyrical about your specific religion? Like what sort of brain disease leads to this? Even if you are religious, you have to know that other people take their other religions just as seriously and recognize that perhaps it’s better not to sow discord between them if they are supposed to battle together.
Well it let’s you know who to kick out
You are expecting these sycophants to have a basic human empathy.
Which is expecting too much.
Its called insanity. Or stupidity…
Just… What is even going on? I don’t remember people being this stupid and cruel. This is after 2 world wars. How could people not see that they’re doing the same things that the other dickheads did to gain enough power to butcher people? People are mad and stupid
Christoid brainrot is going to kill us all jesus fucking christ
I want to get off Mr. Reagan’s Wild Ride.
I want to get off Mr. Reagan’s Wild Ride.
I want to get off Mr. Reagan’s Wild Ride.
I want to get off Mr. Reagan’s Wild Ride.
Isn’t this the point at which you stand up and walk out of the room?
So Jesus anointed a shit covered pedo rapist begin a war with Iran by way of marking his return? Got it, no follow up questions.
THIS SUMMER
God Works In Mysterious Ways.
My fix for the world.
eradicate religion (with education and critical thought), and billionaires.
Its very simple.
Hey, Kegsbreath, does Jesus know about it?
Religion is a mental illness, a personal defect, an intellectual flaw, and the biggest threat facing humanity right now. By far.