U.S. Troops Were Told Iran War Is for “Armageddon,” Return of Jesus
(jonathanlarsen.substack.com)
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from postmateDumbass@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 03 Mar 04:25
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A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God’s plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.
From Saturday morning through Monday night, more than 110 similar complaints about commanders in every branch of the military had been logged by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF).
The complaints came from more than 40 different units spread across at least 30 military installations, the MRFF told me Monday night.
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Lolwat?
People like this are literally going to cause the end of the human race with their “beliefs”. We have a bunch of religious fanatics killing at the behest of a demented pedophile and his genocidal buddy.
Religion is a cancer.
There was a really interesting article posted the other day about the Antichrist. Religious folks are really wacky.
That’s a very interesting article but does 2019 qualify as “the other day”?
*Insert Saving Private Ryan Meme here*
Those were better times …
They probably meant it was posted on lemmy the other day, not that the article was released the other day.
Lol! I didn’t even look at the date. It was posted in another instance just yesterday or the day before…I can’t remember which.
America is cancer
They are not religious people. Unless you take paedophillia as a form of religion. I mean, they seem to have been in some crazy paedocult.
Of Catholicism isn’t a pedocult idk what is
At what point does it become socially acceptable to say to these people, “Fuck your god”?
I’m not sure when that point was but it’s solidly in the past.
Someone needs to interrupt these fucking monsters and tell them nobody cares about their imaginary friends
Jesus fuck can these arseholes just get raptured already …
They’re trying to, and they want to take us all with them.
MAGA seem to be on a one way ticket to Jonestown and they are happy to take all of us with them.
The rapture already happened, that’s why people are calling themselves Christians but never actually following Christ’s teachings. The actual believers are long gone.
All three of them!
It was a very small event on November 3, 1973. Interestingly one of the three raptured made big news, but it was covered up. He was a pilot.
I don’t know if you hinted on this, but the story is wild:
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1973#3
I was actually talking about Pan Am flight 160 the same day. This would have been a better story. Wow, that’s crazy. Looks like 2 of them made the news.
I read the Wikipedia article and it looks like the NTSB concluded that conversation and the subsequent “test” they did were inconclusive as the root cause of the engine failure. That specific engine had numerous problems reported prior to the flight and had been taken off and replaced before having even more reported after. It seems to be just coincidental. What’s just as wild to me is that the passenger that was ejected from the plane was even wearing his seatbelt. Explosive decompression still said nuh uh and ripped him out the window.
It turns out that Harambe is the only who got raptured.
On the plus side maybe we can finally put the whole Revelations part of the Bible into the trash can where it (and the rest of it, frankly) belongs
Is this dude on substack a legitimate source? Honest question. We live in the times of lies
I have similar concerns.
What are you looking for? Direct quotes? This has been the MO for decades
I‘m not seeing mention of this on the MRFF site.
This made me think that MRFF might not be reporting objectively about this
You’re not wrong, but the only thing there that’s not arguably correct is calling hegseth little and I guess misspelling his name.
That, and the MRFF site uses AI generated photographs, which always makes me question the veracity of everything associated with it. It’s not an unbelievable claim for me, I’ve been hearing people call for holy war since 9/11, but the way it’s being presented is setting off all kinds of red flags.
It just feels like I’m eating the onion here.
According to the authors profile he’s worked at a bunch of known places in the past
I’ve heard of a bunch of known places…
“I’m an independent journalist whose reporting is made possible by reader support. As a former executive producer at MSNBC, I helped create Up w/ Chris Hayes and previously was a senior producer on Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann.”
See also www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanlarsen
I really hope this photo is real.
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Tiny hands confirmed
It’s not. Or at least it’s not a recent picture.
Proof: old.reddit.com/r/AngryCops/…/angrymemereview/ “submitted 2 months ago”
And most probably was AI slop also back then.
Slop gonna cost elections
How is that link proof of anything?
It doesn’t matter anyways. If the Whorehouse can use AI to prove trump is a viral young soccer player, we can also use AI to prove he’s an unstable maciac who screams at Kegsbreath everyday.
Nothing is real, everything is permitted.
I don’t understand your question. Can you elaborate? Are you implying that reddit fakes submission dates to protect Trump?
he looks like matt gaetz.
Pretty sure that bit about rapture also mentions the antichrist proclaiming himself as savior, right?
Trunp really did see all those god emporer memes.
Religion is a cult.
This is literal proof.
Jesus was not real. The bible is fiction.
Grow up.
Jesus most likely existed though.
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The persona of jesus is more likely a representation of a variety of different characters from different stories and fables that were retold and well known at the time, as well as contemporary characters from the first few centuries AD.
"most likely" is not actual historical evidence. And there is no historical evidence that the 'jesus' referenced in the christian bible ever lived. As a matter of fact, he was called Yeshua (which translates to Joshua) in the bible stories. Jesus is a greek/latin translation.
Finding historical facts outside of the bible is necessary to verify fiction from fact. We all know that Methuselah could not be 969 Years Old, humans cannot live that long, and 2000 years ago mortality rates were 20-45 years old, not 969.
Imagine being sent to the other side of the world so you can die in the hopes of fulfilling a Doomsday Prophecy from somebody else’s pedophile religion.
It’s just so stupid, so embarrassing. You guys need to get rid of these clowns ASAP.
These people need to be stopped.
Wow…what a way to divorce the US military from reality and play into a fantasy conspiracy that Israel is somehow central to some scheme by the Illuminati, the Jesuits, the Freemasons, and the Zionists.
Western leaders folks…these champions are losing their marbles all over the floor.
I mean, I’m not convinced yet, but… Just saying, recent events have made me more open to the idea.
Seconding… Especially for those interested in esoteric/occult texts.
Labelling something as a definitive: “play into a fantasy conspiracy” is manipulative bias. You do not know with certainty either way.
I’m pretty sure Israel doesn’t feel that way.
And they believed it?
Murricans always telling us we should be afraid of the mad militaristic, totalitarian theocracy
Tell me again what’s the difference between this and when you called “dangerous barbarians” to those islamic countries calling for a yihad?
Oh, right… they had the wrong color of skin and the wrong god…
Well… Pretty much the same god, the christians just deny the relevancy of the 3rd book in the series.
For those who haven’t seen the depths of christian nationalism, check out Jesus Camp which came out 20 years ago (those kids are adults now)
Another relevant documentary: Praying for Armageddon
Why do are these people doing it in such a complicated way? They have thousands of nukes, they could immanentize the eschaton today. Just launch all nukes into Russia and China. Problem solved, armageddon achieved.
That’s exactly what they’re talking about. It’s too overt to be called foreshadowing, this is more like fiveshadowing.
They need everything they’re doing to line up with the prophecies in their magic books
So does that mean Donnie is going to go to Iran personally? To light a fire on the ground? With his own manly bear hands?
Seems likely. I wonder who will play the part of Jesus. Russell Brand?
he is a homless wife beater look, who is also has the crazy eyes.
I vote for Bill Bailey.
What was it we were talking about?
Putin never goes to frontline himself, unless its under russian control. likely not for bonespurs.
Tell me it’s a Russian/Chinese bot. Because if real, it’s some Daesh level motive, so it’s pretty concerning
yank does the most yankee thing ever
Omg russians!!! China!!!
allchronology.com/…/trump-the-rapture-and-the-rea…
Last year a lot of those crazies proclaimed via social media, that the rapture was imminent and prepared themselves by undressing, writing last messages to the sinners who’ll be left behind or they even sold their homes. Can’t remember but it could actually have been when the 12 days war with Iran happened.
This rapture thing already should’ve happened a few times, just like with every end times prophecy. The fact the orange menace is in bed with the ultraorthodox christian movements (Dominionists, Seven Mountain Mandate) is well know since his first presidency. Same with their believes about the end-times. That he seems more like the anti christ is no problem for them as they believe, as stated in the article, that god will choose a flawed vessel for the mission.
LOL!!! 'Cause they’re gonna need that money in heaven. These people have absolute shit for brains.
They’ve completely infiltrated the military. Or maybe the sick ass military welcomed them and was looking for them. Fucked either way.
Yay! Death cult is doing death cult things!
once the 7 trumpets and angels return you, they will smite humans instead.
Killing girls going to school. Good plan, God. Well done, you fuckin idiot.
Don’t pin it on God, he doesn’t exist. This is purely human levels of evil.
I know that, you know that, and I think they know that. Their idiot followers (or whatever you want to call them) don’t though, so pinning things on God is an age old scam that always works.
Republicans version of God doesn’t like educated women. They get all uppity and start wanting things like equal rights. Gotta stop it at the root.
This is what cultists do when they see their reckoning coming. Rev Jones made his followers drink Kool aid (flavor aid actually) when US Senators visited and found he was keeping people against their will. Trump and his crazies will do the same. Remember … Trump could have just been impeached, or not elected in the first place.
Couldn’t even be bothered to splurge on the good stuff on the way out. Bet he skimped on the sugar as well.
No, MAGA doesn’t have the “embrace of death” ideology that much. I feel they’re trying to “score points” with Jesus by simply killing as many “undesirables” as they can get their hands on, and some MIGHT kill themselves when they realize He ain’t coming back.
Don’t forget his people fucking shot the senator and his people. He knew it was over after that.
God is all powerful. Also, God needs you to commit war crimes to win this illegal war that he really wants to win. Like, you’re the only way he can win this war. Do it for our all powerful God.
I’d like this “god” to come down and say it themselves. Thanks.
Best I could find:
theonion.com/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule…
Why does God need a starship?
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I don’t know how much of a religious person i am, but i am also quite sure that none of this in the Bible, not at all. I should know i i own two versions of the text.
Do you want to fight another ‘holy war’? I think not.
Revelation is vague enough they can get anything from it
Jesus thought he was coming back in a few years.
Matthew 16:27-28 “For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Revelations was written after Jesus’s death. John of Patmos was not an apostle. Both Nero and Domitan (latter most likely epoch/context of Revelations) were widely hated and flawed, and meant as a call to rise up and overthrow these dictators. The Romans exiling him to Patmos, specifically did so because it seemed an imminent threat to them rather than a 2000+ years later threat.
Yes, the romans (from the known documentation survived from the period) saw these movements and uprisings as political-administrative threats. It is know that, of the roman representatives cited in the bible, these actions aren’t cited in the documentation. We also know that romans had a thing foto writings and documents for such procedures. They used to be a violent bureaucratic centralised power. The archeological evidences seem to prove that the gospels were written with many real places in mind, but the key details are interpretative or missing. 2000 years might be a lot in terms of human lives, but archelogical evidences work on a different time frame, and 2000 years isn’t enough to undo so many evidences. With that in mind, i don’t think any of that can be proven so rigidly if you understand what i mean.
As soon as you can get the ~40,000 different denominations of Christianity to agree what “the important parts” are, which atrocities to heed, and which to ignore, you let us all know
Okay, what these people need is not death sentence, but a life sentence in an asylum.
Ah yes, the good ol’ loving God wants you to slaughter his own childr---- WAAAAAIIIITTT A MINUTE!!
“No one knows the day or the hour except for my Father. And this orange pedophile who shits himself. That’s gonna make sense in a few thousand years.” - Jesus, probably.
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Christians always looking for new and fun ways to make the world a worse place. At least theyre on brand.
Israel know about this? I mean Jesus, they don’t recognize him as a son of God. Why Israel is fighting for someone they don’t give a shit?
Lunatic calls leader already doing land grab genocide.
Says he’ll give access to largest military in the world because it will
distract from the filesbring about the end times from his weird death cult prophecy.“Sounds good, bud”
Of course Israel knows about this, these people are the main reason that the US has supported their genocide for decades
The Crusades 2.0
I would like our nobles to get lost in a desert and be massacred by the locals.
Well, I think it’d be like the 7th(?) Crusade but this time it’ll work out!!
These people are mentally ill
And they hold power.
Correction, the people that hold power are cynical bastards that are playing these mentally ill evangelicals and other religious crazies.
Actually, a fair number of those that hold power are high on their own supply. They’re just also smart enough to use that supply to manipulate others too.
Neurotypicals will blame anything on illness rather than admit they too are capable of systemic evil.
Trump is mentally ill.
And liberals will blame everything on the figurehead rather than admit the system is what the system does.
SOME liberals. MOST liberals know the system is fucked. We just can’t fix it because there is a disease in America that, rather than fighting it, we feed it. It’s called billionaires oligarchs. It’s form of societal cancer. These leeches feed on the work done by others - just look at Musk and Bezos…these c#nts are total parasites who provide no valuable service with their own hands. They’re less productive than middle management…but, they figured out the system…who to fuck when…literally or figuratively. They used that knowledge yo build a cult of personality. You want to fix this system…destroy the cancer that’s killing it. Until then? You’re just blowing smoke, my friend. This system isn’t getting fixed while certain men live. I’m NOT calling for violence, so MODS, pay attention. The cancer can be removed without violence. It’ll be harder…but it can be done.
The world doesn’t fit into smart quips and summaries.
You speak too broadly to be considered serious.
And fake progressives will blame everything on (((the system))) rather than admit that their cynicism is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Religion literally is a set of persistent delusions, if you go by psychological definitions, that do not have a specific carve out for religious beliefs.
All religions are cults that just got really popular and/or lasted for a long time.
Plot twist, Jesus is an alien and that’s why Trump wanted to release the alien files
I mean we have adults who identify as MAGA and believe anything Orange Jesus tells them, so I am not surprised some of them found their way into the military
25% or more of his base is evangelical, and believes war in the middle east will bring about the second coming of (angry,) Jesus, whom will bring the faithful to heaven and drown the world in lakes of blood and fire. Finally, right?
Orange Jesus doesnt work anymore.
The leader of the most powerful nation that sets off Armageddon, is the anticrist in their book.
You know, believing oneself to be the antichrist DOES mean you are pretty much the most important and impactful human on the planet. Like Time Person of the Year multiplied by Jesus.
That sounds like peak narcissism.
That makes me think it could be true. :/
He matches up to revelations a little too well. It could only have been deliberately manufactured. They literally think they can trick God into kicking off the end times.
Anti-christ still has christ in it.
Checkmate libtard!
Cheeto Antichrist
It’s a doomsday cult.
Trump and God. The two true Gods. /s
How much more stupid lies will the world accept? This is insanity.
How many kids have to die for the lies of USA? For the lies of Israel?
Bravo USA, Bravo Israel.
From Abraham’s first hallucinations that the god El promising him the Levant, to Moses admitting that a demon Yahweh impersonated El to fill Abraham’s head with such warmongering delusions, to King David’s victory took 1700 years. No matter how passionate your belief in every schitzos voices in their head’s call for war, when it takes that long to gain control, coincidence rather than divine power to make things/miracles happen, becomes a better argument than the existence of either divine intervention at all, or of a chosen people.
Christianity, turned back into Divine right of Kings in first millenium. Criminal heresy to suggest that Jesus’s humanist points should ever contradict Empire’s warmongering or authoritarianism. That military hierarchy would rely on Old testament demonism is tradition that gives them more power.
The only possible interpretation of Jesus defeating the forces of evil, is that the evil side is the Epstein warmongering regime. The punch line, is that demonic Abrahamic supremacists are converted to Jesus in the end, and so military should interpret this order as attacking Israel and their corrupt hierarchy.
Oooh, I’m not familiar with this lore - where it’s from?
Remember kids, if you’re pro-King, you’re pro-Christianity!
exodus 6:3 (moses narrative) Yahweh tells Moses that even though Abraham thought his commandments were coming from El, that it was secretly Yahweh impersonating El.
Abraham, like other tribes/cities in Levant, believed in El. But he didn’t believe in the polytheist 70 sons and pantheon of El. Yahweh was one of these sons. Bible has no story of a coup against El by Yahweh, just that Yahweh is transported to the father role, and is Jealous of his mother, but due to teleportation to throne, now his wife, Asherah. Under David, Yahweh sentences the 70 sons to death.
What could be worse than incompetent, racist lunatics? Incompetent, racist lunatics that are also religious fanatics.
You forgot to mention the whole dictator plans, that’s the pressing concern here.
The fascism almost means less when you acknowledge that they are literally trying to destroy the world, well, other than that’s how they plan to do it. But that’s what they’re trying to do, destroy the world with fire like “god” said “he” would do. They are trying to force “god’s” hand by lining up all the prerequisites from their fucking fairytale. Religion is the worst cancer on the planet.
All religious fanatics are incompetent, racist lunatics.
And we gave them the keys to everything.
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Trump would suffer no political fallout from holding up a baby to keep from getting shot. Unfortunately, real life is much worse than that movie.
I didn’t see this shit on GameFaqs! That’s all it takes to kick off the end of the world?
I am trying to think of how we would have responded to this when I was in the military
We already had a 1st Sergeant who used soldiers to pick up trash at his church and gave soldiers on extra duty the option to go to his church on Sunday to avoid extra duty
That 1SG got forced retirement pretty quick
But a commander? Not sure how to handle that one
There’s no easy solution, because it’s like trying to treat a cancer that has already been growing for generations and is already metastasizing. Ironically, the best bet from a wide perspective is probably a combination of supporting religious diversity (more institutions who don’t share their views), and even moreso a healthy, science-respecting educational system. These groups thrive most in rural areas with the poorest access to education. They perceive college as a threat for good reason - because their entire worldview is a hot garbage house of cards that immediately crumbles under the slightest scrutiny.
Free public college is the biggest threat to them.
I figured Jesus would be the last person Trump would want to meet.
Matthew 18:6
Given this entire administration’s relationship to children, and their hijacking and warping of the Gospel and manipulation of naive belivers to create a doomsday death cult, I’d say we’re far overdue for millstones to go up in demand as much as RAM has.
I’m sure we will be able to vote our way out of this.
Any sources for this? I don’t trust substack stuff
This is the right question. This doesn’t sound unlikely given what we know about Hegseth, but I have no clue who Jonathan Larsen is or why we should trust him.
Another aspiring journo in the age of microblogs.
That said, MRFF has their post about it, and they seem legit…
I’m not surprised if it’s real, as it’s exactly what they believe and been fueling for a long time. It’s just that substack tends to be filled with right wing idiots, poor quality self proclaimed journalists and people trying to get popular with clickbait and fake news bullshit. So anything on there I see as (in Intel terms) highly untrustworthy and mostly unlikely in general. Doesn’t mean some things can be true, or partially true.
I don’t know if Hegseth would be inclined to do this, but I could imagine there being a subculture among some commanders that would manifest this way.
These people are not fit to lead. This is insane…
Even the Bible says no human will know the hour or the day.
Who an I kidding, no one involved here read the Bible.
While that’s true, it did give a year. We’re just over 180 years past that particular year.
Source?
Googling seems to indicate it did no such thing.
It’s somewhere in Numbers. There’s a prophecy that refers to the last great census of Jerusalem. It refers to time in days, but had previously mentioned that days in this context refer to years. There would be a certain number of years before the Messiah would appear, though they use a flowery title to refer to him, and another number of years before he would be struck down. It then goes on to say that he would return after X number of years. If you do the math, those years come out to 5BC, 27CE, and 1844CE.
Ah yes The Great Disappointment
Not clear what makes this particular set of assumptions about how some numbers might be the date of apocalypse any more special than the many, many others, though.
en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_dates_predicted_for_ap…
Also started The Baha’is who don’t seem to be disappointed at all.
Former Christian here: I can confirm that no verse directly specifies a date. However Revelations folk are a special breed.
The best one I can find is the 7000 year old earth theory.
Basically it hinges off Genisis saying Man lives for 120 years, and if you multiply that by the amount of Jubilee years (every 50 years in Hebrew tradition) you get 6000. 4000 till Jesus, 2000, till his return, 1000 years of sabbath. Than god will remake the heavens and the earth. For a total of 7000.
It’s a bunch of conjecture that would make biblical numerologists proud.
www.reddit.com/r/Bibleconspiracy/…/lo0vbhx/?share…
No, it gave a bunch of feverish hallucinatory bullshit that was so vague across thousands of years that it could mean anything.
Source: I grew up with christian apocalypse preppers.
I’m referring to a specific timeline set out in numbers that most Christians totally ignore, especially apocalyptic Christians.
The Jehovah’s witnesses were set up specifically because of this prophecy, and even they decided he was late by the end of the 1800s
There’s almost certainly a reason. I can’t google fu the verse but if you find it please lmk.
I’d imagine the answer to why it’s not generally accepted can be found by comparing translations. Likely it’s the King James or one of the less colloquial ones being ‘misinterpreted’ to suggest a timeframe. But I am speculating here.
The main reason is that it is really obscure. I’ll see if I can find it.
Edit: yeah, I’m not finding it. It basically says that from the time of the last great census of Jerusalem there would be a certain number of days (days mean years in this part of Numbers.) until the firmament was restored, referring to the Messiah, another number of days before it would be shattered, referring to his death, and a third number of days before the glory of God would appear. When you do the math, those years become 5BCE, 27CE, and 1844CE
That’s what leads me to believe you read it in a specific translation. Old English does a lot of heavy lifting for those revelations folks.
Could be, I dunno. I’m not Christian, but my parents sent me to Catholic school because it had better rates of higher education among its graduates than the local public school. The Catholics took me not being a Christian personally and only let me read the Bible. So I read it, and started confronting priests and religion teachers with questions they couldn’t answer because I’m an obstinate little shit like that.
I went to a protestant private school, and a bit of a looney one at that. (Charismatic Christianity)
So like you’re 100% certain it was in the book of numbers? IIRC Catholics have other books protestants don’t. "Deuterocanonical (Apocrypha) Books google says "
I’m certain it wasn’t in the apocrypha that’s a separate book at least at the school I went to. I am certain it was Old Testament, and not New Testament. Other than that, I’m pretty sure it was one of the books that got separated into parts I and II, but I couldn’t tell you if it was the first or second part.
I got turned onto that particular passage by a Baha’i I was talking to outside of the school, now that I think about it. They used it as proof that Christ had already returned and the Christians missed it as hard as the Jews missed their Messiah.
If by that you mean, prehistory’s Q-anon scraping together vague gestures towards barely discernable timelines and a massive knob polishing for the people of Israel, then yah.
From this they decided that this was a “key” for translating the other vague messages that deal with timelines. It was entirely assembled and patched together in the imagination of men who needed hobbies.
This is a weird vulnerability in the human condition that our minds developed faster than our actual innate sense of reason and logic. We are the same species we were 5000 years ago, and the same species we were 100,000 years ago, just with more fancy tools around us. Still searching for meaning in abstraction, still trying to find some personal validation in a cold, uncaring and basically random universe.
The verse I am referring to is in numbers it gives the last great census of Jerusalem as the starting year. It says x number of years would pass before the firmament was restored, referring to the Messiah, y number of years before the firmament would be shattered, referring to his death, and z number of years before the glory of God would appear.
We know when that census occured. When you do the math those years are 5BCE, 27CE, and 1844CE.
It’s okay lots of people who believe in God believe they can trick god.
When I reflect back on my evangelical upbringing this always stands out. Somehow they think their omnipotent deity can be tricked by a loophole in his own rules which in and of itself would at least prove he’s not omnipotent
“Ah that rascal put it in her butt, ah well have fun kids.”
My evangelical parents got wrapped up in this line of thinking in the 90s right around the time teenage me was becoming disillusioned with the indoctrination I’d been raised in. Classic “end of the Millennium” fears and the hope they could jumpstart Armageddon convinced them to send money to Christian charities who supposedly then paid to move poor Jewish people in former Soviet states to Israel. Sure God was going to destroy the Earth in 10000 years, but oops, guess y’all forced his hand!
You should check out the book Hell is a World Without You.
It’s not gonna change your world or anything but with that upbringing you’ll really enjoy it
There’s a story I heard from Judaism, where the rabbis were arguing about whether god was cool with something or not. One rabbi was against all of the other rabbis, and asked god to prove him right. God personally spoke up, and was like “yeah, he’s entirely correct” - but the rabbis end up telling off god. They point out that they only have the rules he sent down to work with, and having to call him for help every time they need a ruling wouldn’t be fair or reasonable.
It happens in many faiths. Jewish people are famous for arguing god’s law and finding loopholes. I used to work with a Palestinian guy, who grew up in Jordan. He told me that it was relatively common for a group of men to put liquor in a teapot and drink it out of teacups so god didn’t notice.
The Bible also says life begins at the first breath and has instructions for an abortion ritual.
People still underestimate the role of christian fundamentalism in this ongoing trainwreck. When you have a religious institution whose image of God is quite literally an abusive father, who all worship power above all else, whose church policies are to spread as far and wide as possible and systematically “train”(ie., abuse) their own children into actively seeking out every position of power possible to force their worldview onto everyone - it was only a matter of time before this all happened.
These are people who genuinely believe the war on terror is a holy war. Their entire social network is meticulously designed to draw a dichotomy between themselves (apart from the world), vs everyone else (the worldly), to isolate their own against outside views, and indoctrinate their children throughout their entire lives to vigorously proselytize on the one hand, and be ready to eliminate anyone who opposes their worldview on the other. And many of them are bloodthirsty.
Best case scenario these nut bags wipe themselves out. Worst case scenario nuclear armageddon.
They WANT the world to be wiped out in Armageddon, they don’t actually believe in death, they think if nukes turn the world to ash and cinders that Jesus will come save them and it will be fulfilling prophecy. They want maximum damage and they want the whole world to burn. And I’m not even exaggerating.
A lot of people really don’t get this, that evangelical christianity is a fucking death cult, this is why they’ve wanted Israel to literally blow up the entire middle east and spark WW3 for decades now, because to them it would mean prophecy is being fulfilled. And these people work in the highest levels of our government right now.
I grew up in a family of Christian apocalypse preppers, they wanted Israel to take control of Palestine and the entire middle east for their entire lives until they drank themselves to death.
Anyone returning named Jesus would be deported to El Salvador.
At least these psychopathic Christian evangelical Zionists are being honest about their goals. They want the Rapture or end of the world because they think that forcing ww3 will make Jesus return. This is why Christian evangelicals support Israel no matter how depraved their policies because they believe they will start ww3 and that’s what they want. Christian nationalism is dangerous. It’s been bad for a long time and people like Mike Huckabee have been working towards this goal for decades. We used to regard these people as crazy but now we put all the crazies and narcissists in charge and that’s why everyone sane is depressed with crippling anxiety.
Canada needs to arm ourselves. These people are fucking crazy and are gearing up take everything from everyone else.
Against a military with a $T budget?
Oh well, when you put it like that maybe we should just roll over and bite the pillow then
That seems to be the answer for everything on this site. I left reddit because I didn’t like all of the doom scrolling, nihilistic, bullshit posts, yet they’re here too now.
Beat me to it. I would love to have some place where I could go without having to read anything about US related.
I dont mind the presence of these articles. I like to be in the know. I like the opportunity to engage in a constructive nuanced discussion that you can no longer find on Reddit, and can be found in abundance on Lemmy.
What effects me most is that, whether honest (human), not (bots) or covert (intelligence agencies), the defeatism, acceptance and obeyance in advance is the fundamental barrier to meaningful change. It catches, it spreads and it demoralises. It is the boot on our collective necks.
We need to be more mindful of spreading our nihilism to each other, unless we’re happy being part of the problem. More solutions, more raising each other up, less wallowing.
I agree with you, but the usual “absolutely nothing can be done except armed insurrection” you see here is just another flavor of the same doomerism.
It’s not even just US related subjects though. There was just a post the other day about physical media(photos, dvds, etc.) and I posted a comment detailing pricing out a local NAS so you can backup your shit to it(because physical media can get destroyed) and replies I got were the whole “digital stuff can get destroyed too”, “ransomware”, “it’s about the experiences! you can’t have that with digital!”, “prices are CRAZY for computer stuff!”(even though I linked products at reasonable prices and people said it isn’t that price anymore, CLICK THE LINK DUMBASS!).
And it’s all an asinine argument because you can DO BOTH. Have your physical photos AND back them up digitally.
It’s all or nothing with some people and it’s infuriating. It feels like I’m arguing with children over ice cream flavors. Yeah, chocolate is good, but I prefer strawberry and then it devolves into “CHOCOLATE ONLY FOR EVERYONE!”.
I’m convinced it’s part of state sponsored propaganda and influence campaigns. The tactic is to always belittle any idea, frame everything as pointless, and divide opposition.
So many comments like, “if you can’t even get people to go vote, how do you think they’ll resist?”
I’m tired of it. I think the only way to combat it is to set up heavily moderated areas where cynicism is flagged and removed. But man, even that’s a slippery slope, to easy for mods to take over to enforce discussion only around what they want.
But however it’s going to be done, I want people ready to act. And stop with this cynical, defeatist BS.
Exactly. And ideas don’t have to be perfect to be functional. Or at least a good starting point.
Make the USA bleed for every centimeter of land. Get even the MAGAts to be tired of the significant losses they reconsider. This didn’t stop with Venezuela and won’t stop with Iran. If the USA starts coming to the negotiating table you strike first. Because we just showed we cannot be trusted at all.
As opposed to what?, taking on the largest military force in world history with a few guns, a dozen fighter jets?
Not you of course, other people.
It would be a slaughter and the US would be done day one by lunch. This is reality, not Hollywood.
Fucking Toronto collapsed into depression and inactivity two weeks into COVID lockdowns.
People the world over have been showing that a huge military budget can be fought with guerilla tactics for decades. Canada absolutely can resist the US.
That’s not how budgets work. The US has a massive air carrier fleet where do you think they got that from did it just spring into existence no they paid for it.
the world is using moving away from using the US dollar as the world’s default currency. They’re not going to have unlimited amounts of money for much longer.
Thats also the reason why they could get bankrupt. USA is doing Hitlers war economy at this point. Get loan for war, rob other countries (in this case oil) and try to pay off the debt.
We will see if this will work out in the end… I do not know much about state financials, but this seems insane to me: www.usdebtclock.org
unless they invade other countries and take it. See Venezuela.
“Taking” Venezuala cost us money and won’t net a profit for decades, if ever. GTFO with your doomerism BS, bot!
So you just pointed out the reason why you SHOULDN’T capitulate. Because you’ll just be another piggy bank that the USA will bleed dry too for endless wars. Then you’ll be worse off than the average USA citizen.
They haven’t taken anything. The US oil companies have zero interest in Venezuela primarily because setting up operations would be prohibitively expensive.
Cost benefit analysis is a thing and the Trump administration are far too stupid to be able to cope with it. Essentially it may not actually be worth exploiting another country, this being a concept that Trump cannot understand because he has the brain of a chronically depressed fruit fly.
a budget indebted of chinese, arab, russian, etc. holders of U.S. dollars and assets? have you tried to wake up a little?
Running the country into military debt is how the US broke down the Soviet Union.
Worked for Afghanistan. No one thinks that we have a chance in a conventional warfare scenario, and we absolutely don’t, which is why we will not make it a conventional warfare scenario. It will be an insurgency where everyone looks just like them. And that insurgency will 100% spread south.
Pretty sure our military budget is higher than Al-Qaeda’s.
Ignorant comment. 176,000 Afghanis died and they are still at war. This thread is a bunch of clueless keyboard warriors.
I believe they’re talking of the Russia-Afghan war not the USA-Afghan war. But if you think many lives wouldn’t be lost under occupation you’re obviously not arguing with a full deck.
Finland won the winter war outnumbered 100 to 1
Their deadliest sniper was subject to more air and artillery strikes than some military units and he kept fighting.
Yeah they are built different. And so are we. Imagine these southerners invade us in the winter lol
Then promptly allied with the Nazis when they knew they could not beat them, and only got rid of them when they were in retreat late in the european war.
Yeah, but it’s run by absolute morons. All the guns in the world won’t stop you from shooting yourself in the foot.
Partisan warfare. They need to train as many people as possible and arm them. Have a ready made resistance force.
This is also why all information sharing on Canadians to the Americans must stop.
What budget? It’s all just debt.
We can shut down those pricey hospitals and schools.
I suppose Franch and Poland shoulda done the same.
Likely hundreds of thousands of lives were saved by surrender. Read some history. Most of those armies would have countered the Nazis with swords and horses.
Pretty sick of keyboard warriors advocating we spend like the US for war toys, to end up exactly like the US, a nation of people in crippling debt, no health care, with a huge number of war machines.
Also, Franch is not a country, it is an experimental French-Ranch dressing from Madrigal Electromotive.
People are advocating not turning over for the fascists like they did in the 1930s. But I can see how it’s appealing to let concentration camps, public executions, and a country that will bleed you dry do so.
Guess who Canada buys arms from?
If you mean small arms then surprisingly enough its mostly Canada made or European.
Most of Canada’s armoured vehicles are either Canadian made or German. For example, their main battle tanks are German (Leopard 2).
A lot of Canadian artillery is made up of French and British pieces.
It’s really just the Air Force that’s dominated by US equipment.
Wacko s
Is there a reputable source for this? Smells like rage-bait…
MRFF has their post about it and they seem legit, but beyond that I dunno what t tell you…
Yes, I read that. That organization and this substack article quote and link each other, but I haven’t seen this story elsewhere. Which is weird, because it’s world news. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, just trying to get multiple points-of-view…
Same, I searched for an alternative source, and all of the sources were either unknown, or well known low quality tabloid like sites.
I can only hope after the fallout clears and the species survives that we outright ban all religions as a species.
Best I can do is a cult that worships and makes sacrifices to the only surviving Zoltar animatronic fortune teller after the nuclear apocalypse.
Mossad commanders laughing their asses off at people like this
Jesus fucking christ.
This is why you never let the extremist religious psychos take over your government, secularists have been screaming about this for literally decades
Hundreds of years. Many of the so-called founding fathers of the US were not christian. This is likely why the separation of church and state is in the Constitution.
Christian death cult gonna death cult. This is what we deserve for allowing these morons into power.
What part of thief in the night do these fuckers not understand?
The fucking hubris to think a human shithead can force His return.
Nice to see a Christian (I assume) push back on this bullshit.
So they admit that Trump is the Antichrist?
Religious fundamentalists in a death cult vs Religious fundamentalists in a death cult
The common people should just send all these lunatics to Mars.
Sending thlose lunatics to Mars costs resources we don’t have and cause pollution. IMO, running them through with a machinegun is easier.
I think studies from almost a hundred years ago show that the people with the guns do not fare well gunning down large numbers of people and it’s inefficient. I think they came up with some higher efficiency methods…
So wasteful. Feed them into a mulcher and use them to reseed the rainforests.
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They might actually be closing to getting it. Maybe.
Maybe they should read this: benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-sp…
On the other hand… “Those kids would be quite upset if they could read!”
This was even written before he got “shot”
Yeah they are literally trying to speed run the end so they can be mindless automotons in heaven. It’s real fucked up.
These stupid fuckers really think they can bring Armageddon fourth and still get an easy pass to heaven…goddamned morons
I really hope the comming insurgent attacks (like 9/11) target Republican states. Democrats voted against this, and the consequences need to be born by Republican states.
They wouldn’t be interested in penalizing the ‘right’ people, they would be more interested in maximizing damage… Which means the blue areas will likely bear most of the fallout.
Yeah, they target large population centers which trend away from Republican. When you are mixed in with millions of others and have to navigate as well as get along with each other you learn compromise isn’t a dirty word.
I dunno. Mar-a-lago is probably a prime target.
He’s like an Abra and flees every time something threatens him.
I remember in the time after 9/11 when Muslims and Islam were shown in this kind of light while the west was too modern, scientific, and secular to fall prey to this stuff.
Now… now everything they accused Islam of they are actually doing AND the worst of the wordt Muslims are being armed and propped up by them as they always have been.
I need a good strong whisky this weekend…
Anyone who grew up openly atheistic could have told you this was bullshit the entire time, at least in the US. The normalization of Christian lunacy did not start with 9/11.
COVID really did a number on us
Really wish these death cults would get on with it and leave the rest of us the fuck out of it.
I’d be happy to make them some Kool-Aid
To quote George Carlin… “Holy shit”
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These people are legitimately crazy. Like drowning their kids in the bath tub because the voices in their head they think are Jesus told them to “save them,” level of crazy.
Of course they would try and guilt trip the religious people who don’t know any better. I wish more people were aware of the thousands of complaints by military personel about pedophile trump and all his dumb orders. The parade in washington was an absolute disaster and made most of us laugh at donald for how weak he is, the military was pissed they had to stand around for hours.
So about that authoritarian religious regime…
how far would you follow anyone that ate up. lifer ncos maybe, troops not so much;
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Ah yes. The mentally ill are running the military.
You know the GOP are literal traitors to our nation when they just keep brazenly violating our Constitution.
Not sure what more it’s going to take for the general populace to accept that actual real life traitors are running our federal government.
‘GOP brazenly violating our constitution’
Friend, bOtH pArTiEs have been doing this since at least the 1970s.
The FED isn’t constitutional.
Our parties aren’t constitutional.
Going to war without congressional approval isn’t constitutional.
And so on, it’s a very long list.
I find this very hard to believe, especially as it’s coming from some random guy’s substack.
Some men with butterfly nets should have come and taken him away to a padded room for his own safety.
Christians are salivating for Jews to return to Isreal. I’ve known this since I was raised in the church.
Zephaniah 3:19–20 – God promises to gather His people and bring them home, giving them honor and praise. Hosea 3:5 – Israel will return and seek the Lord and David their king in the last days. Jeremiah 16:14–15 – A greater exodus than Egypt—the Lord bringing Israel back from all nations.
There are easier ways to do that. Just offer a subsidy and cooperation with Israel to fast-track Jewish migration and integration.
Of course, that isn’t why Israel is doing genocide, war, and evil in general. They do it because that makes their leaders feel funny in the nethers.
If god is all powerful, why does he need any amount of humans to do shit for him? Do it yourself, you omnilazy bastard.
American Djihad
he said she said propaganda of the day. next you are going to tell me the co is a chaplain
God ain’t got nothing to do with this, keep him outa your bullshit drunky.
Religion has plenty to do with this unfortunately.
The perversion of religion maybe. None of the abrahamic texts justify this insanity.
What are the odds nukes start flying once the bunkers finished?
Fucking nutcases. At this rate troops might actually just mutiny
Religious people are so easy to manipulate lol
How they don’t see it, when their “pastors” are driving Porsches and living in manions while telling you if you don’t skip a meal so that you can donate to the church you’re gonna go to hell… it’s beyond me.
What the actual fuck?
Jesus take the STRATCOM
what the actual fuck
Ah great just another so-called holy war
I wonder if the first one were fought for the pedophiles as well
I really hope Republican states are the ones that will suffer the consequences of their voting.
what the actual fuck?
Pretty sure being that stupid should prevent you from any job other than jizz mop
Words fail me right now, all I can think is: AaaaahhhAAAAAAAAHHHHH!
Can we just launch all the nukes and get it over with already? That’s how this all ends, we already know that, we aren’t going to become better at being people, things are not going to improve. It would be the path of least suffering, at this point.
Strongly disagree. Don’t lose hope.
Holy Wars… The Punishment Due
fuckin’ actual HUH-WHAT now’zzles ?? :P