Not sure how to rate a left-center Israeli source in this situation, but ‘high credibility’ does suggest that they do a decent job overall.
Maalus@lemmy.world
on 09 Jun 2024 23:06
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Mediabias check itself is very biased. It literally said “this outlet has never been known / shown to have reported fake news, but we still give it an untrustworthy label”. It’s done by one guy with a huge pro-Israel bias.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 09 Jun 2024 23:07
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I really do not know how else to check this site’s credibility. “They’re Israeli” is not enough of an argument for me to say this is not a credible source. How can its credibility be rated?
No, what I meant is checking media bias. Not the news site itself.
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Jun 2024 23:32
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Take that with a massive grain of salt, a lot of Israeli media is high factuality except when it comes to Palestine, where they turn into dehumanizing propaganda mills. MBFC has no mechanism to account for selective factfulness
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 09 Jun 2024 23:37
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Okay, so how do we judge this story’s validity? I do know Al Jazeera is denying it.
Literally read the article. Pay attention to the words they use when talking the people and groups.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 2024 00:11
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I’m not a mind reader. What words do you want me to pay attention to in specific?
idiomaddict@feddit.de
on 10 Jun 2024 06:45
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The article included baseless claims such as capturing soldiers in Jabaliya, which the IDF categorically denied.
This is a sentence from the article. If they were neutral towards the subject, they might have written it like this:
controversy surrounded the article, which described the IDF capturing soldiers in Jabaliya, something the Israeli government has denied.
If they were active supporters, it might have sounded like this:
his insightful journalistic work exposed the IDF’s capture of soldiers in Jabaliya, which they continue to deny.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 2024 10:00
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Sorry… you’re saying because they say IDF instead of Israeli Government, this article is ridiculously biased and can’t be trusted?
Because I see people here using IDF and Israel interchangeably all the time when discussing this war.
idiomaddict@feddit.de
on 10 Jun 2024 10:53
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No, it’s the word choice in the sentence as a whole. “Baseless claims” and “categorically denied” make it seem like the article was nonsense. “Controversy” acknowledges that there are different accounts of what happened, but doesn’t pick a side and “denied” feels like the most neutral choice to me, but I’m a layperson and there are entire classes in journalism programs dedicated to neutral phrasing. Calling the article “insightful journalism” is obviously biased and saying “continues to deny” sounds even more supportive of the journalist’s claims, because it implies that people are continuously asking Israel about it, which further implies that multiple people are unsatisfied with Israel’s account of the events.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 2024 10:56
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I don’t mean this in any sort of insulting way, but I think you’ve put far more analysis into this than the person who was writing on a deadline did into writing it.
Did the author have a bias? Quite possibly. But I think your implication that these were conscious choices is going a bit too far.
idiomaddict@feddit.de
on 10 Jun 2024 11:00
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I have no idea if they decided to write the article in a biased way, but I don’t know if that matters. The people reading it still associate the article with “baseless claims,” which colors their view.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 2024 11:28
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Fair enough. I guess up to now, it seemed to me like people were implying that this was a conscious bias.
phoneymouse@lemmy.world
on 09 Jun 2024 18:28
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And the Atlantic is run by an IDF soldier, who held Palestinians captive during the first antifada. Don’t seem to see the same accusations of bias.
RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
on 09 Jun 2024 20:49
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Comma horror
Paragone@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 2024 03:59
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Whether true or not, I don’t know.
I DO know, however, that humans are not institution-puppets without any internal-motivations.
IF they did do so, THEN that doesn’t mean Al Jazeera was in any way complicit.
Apparently there’s some problem at The Washington Post, now, with the guy in charge of the news-room having participated in a crime, & now is ejecting people who have journalistic-standards…
Does that mean they all are guilty of what he did?
How could it?
We’re in an age where considered-reasoning is being displaced by dogwhistle ideology/prejudice, & it’s required for humankind’s survival, that we get competent in journalism’s methodical & careful discernment.
All of us.
Our kind’s life IS at stake, this century.
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hash0772@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 2024 04:15
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Did you downvote yourself?
Cybermonk_Taiji@r.nf
on 10 Jun 2024 10:19
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From what i have read, it was a freelancer dude who wrote 1 article for Al Jazeera, 5+ years ago. I dont know why there is this need to make everything so biased/black and white.
AbdullahAl Jamal worked for Al Jazeera and published almost daily articles in English in the “Palestine Chronicle” since the beginning of the war.
From the linked article.
Meanwhile Al Jazeera says that the guy only contributed on a single op-ed in 2019 and that’s the extent of it. Here is an archive link to their response archive.is/EDOCN. Not only that, but ynet seems to have cut out the part where Al Jazeera says that the guy contributed only on an op-ed in 2019.
Checking an archive from the 9th of June of Al Jazeera’s website seems to confirm this information: archive.is/RypQP
So, even if this guy had kidnapped/held a hostage, I don’t see the connection to Al Jazeera. Certainly not the connection that this article is trying to paint here. And don’t forget that the IDF hasn’t even confirmed if this guy even held any hostages.
I personally call bullshit. Either that or ynet are too incompetent to prove their claims that this guy wrote for Al Jazeera every day.
Or the title has been written like that on purpose to confuse people and conflate Al Jazeera with whatever this guy was writing god knows where else.
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Yep, and al jazeera is nothing but a propaganda machine. This isn’t the first time they’ve been caught with their hand in the cookie jar
This source seems extremely biased.
FWIW:
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: Israel
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
mediabiasfactcheck.com/ynetnews/
Not sure how to rate a left-center Israeli source in this situation, but ‘high credibility’ does suggest that they do a decent job overall.
Mediabias check itself is very biased. It literally said “this outlet has never been known / shown to have reported fake news, but we still give it an untrustworthy label”. It’s done by one guy with a huge pro-Israel bias.
I really do not know how else to check this site’s credibility. “They’re Israeli” is not enough of an argument for me to say this is not a credible source. How can its credibility be rated?
Just read their wiki article and the sources there. It allows for subjective errors and is no way based in science.
Their Wikipedia article doesn’t really appear to say anything different from what I can tell…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ynet
No, what I meant is checking media bias. Not the news site itself.
Take that with a massive grain of salt, a lot of Israeli media is high factuality except when it comes to Palestine, where they turn into dehumanizing propaganda mills. MBFC has no mechanism to account for selective factfulness
Okay, so how do we judge this story’s validity? I do know Al Jazeera is denying it.
Literally read the article. Pay attention to the words they use when talking the people and groups.
I’m not a mind reader. What words do you want me to pay attention to in specific?
This is a sentence from the article. If they were neutral towards the subject, they might have written it like this:
If they were active supporters, it might have sounded like this:
Sorry… you’re saying because they say IDF instead of Israeli Government, this article is ridiculously biased and can’t be trusted?
Because I see people here using IDF and Israel interchangeably all the time when discussing this war.
No, it’s the word choice in the sentence as a whole. “Baseless claims” and “categorically denied” make it seem like the article was nonsense. “Controversy” acknowledges that there are different accounts of what happened, but doesn’t pick a side and “denied” feels like the most neutral choice to me, but I’m a layperson and there are entire classes in journalism programs dedicated to neutral phrasing. Calling the article “insightful journalism” is obviously biased and saying “continues to deny” sounds even more supportive of the journalist’s claims, because it implies that people are continuously asking Israel about it, which further implies that multiple people are unsatisfied with Israel’s account of the events.
I don’t mean this in any sort of insulting way, but I think you’ve put far more analysis into this than the person who was writing on a deadline did into writing it.
Did the author have a bias? Quite possibly. But I think your implication that these were conscious choices is going a bit too far.
I have no idea if they decided to write the article in a biased way, but I don’t know if that matters. The people reading it still associate the article with “baseless claims,” which colors their view.
Fair enough. I guess up to now, it seemed to me like people were implying that this was a conscious bias.
And the Atlantic is run by an IDF soldier, who held Palestinians captive during the first antifada. Don’t seem to see the same accusations of bias.
Comma horror
Whether true or not, I don’t know.
I DO know, however, that humans are not institution-puppets without any internal-motivations.
IF they did do so, THEN that doesn’t mean Al Jazeera was in any way complicit.
Apparently there’s some problem at The Washington Post, now, with the guy in charge of the news-room having participated in a crime, & now is ejecting people who have journalistic-standards…
Does that mean they all are guilty of what he did?
How could it?
We’re in an age where considered-reasoning is being displaced by dogwhistle ideology/prejudice, & it’s required for humankind’s survival, that we get competent in journalism’s methodical & careful discernment.
All of us.
Our kind’s life IS at stake, this century.
_ /\ _
Did you downvote yourself?
The extremely gullible morons?
No, you’ll be just fine.
From what i have read, it was a freelancer dude who wrote 1 article for Al Jazeera, 5+ years ago. I dont know why there is this need to make everything so biased/black and white.
Meanwhile Al Jazeera says that the guy only contributed on a single op-ed in 2019 and that’s the extent of it. Here is an archive link to their response archive.is/EDOCN. Not only that, but ynet seems to have cut out the part where Al Jazeera says that the guy contributed only on an op-ed in 2019.
Checking an archive from the 9th of June of Al Jazeera’s website seems to confirm this information: archive.is/RypQP
So, even if this guy had kidnapped/held a hostage, I don’t see the connection to Al Jazeera. Certainly not the connection that this article is trying to paint here. And don’t forget that the IDF hasn’t even confirmed if this guy even held any hostages.
I personally call bullshit. Either that or ynet are too incompetent to prove their claims that this guy wrote for Al Jazeera every day.
Or the title has been written like that on purpose to confuse people and conflate Al Jazeera with whatever this guy was writing god knows where else.
The Islamist propaganda tool actually has members holding hostages…yeesh. Al Jazeera really has fallen all the way.