Physicists Warn Earth Could Feasibly Descend Into Chaos (www.sciencealert.com)
from TokenBoomer@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 21:25
https://lemmy.world/post/7939045

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BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 07 Nov 2023 21:38 next collapse

😐

Gigan@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 21:41 next collapse

Vague doomerism

Krono@lemmy.today on 07 Nov 2023 22:54 next collapse

I prefer my doomerism to be vague.

Precise doomerism is just too depressing.

DarkGamer@kbin.social on 07 Nov 2023 23:48 collapse

We will all die of indeterminate causes.

chillhelm@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 00:05 collapse

Actually, no.

The science is quite precise, if largely theoretical. Neither the article nor the study it is based on are doomerism. If you’d read it you would have found the following paragraph:

Their results showed that we’re not necessarily headed for certain climate doom. We might follow quite a regular and predictable trajectory, the endpoint of which is a climate stabilization at a higher average temperature point than what we have now.

Basically they are saying “this new method (which is a very macroscale perspective) does not predict a stabilization at preindustrial climate given the amount of change the system already has experienced. Also if we really want to we can probably kick earth into a runaway greenhouse system”.

They do not claim that we are already at that point nor that we will inevitably cross it. Only that it is possible for us to do it.

Pretzilla@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 10:45 next collapse

Thanks for the gist.

but it’s not helpful that they just: ‘so you’re saying there’s a chance!?’

trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Nov 2023 13:38 collapse

Neither the article nor the study it is based on are doomerism.

The study that is the subject of the article has yet to be peer-reviewed. I am not an expert on doomerism, but that makes the article appear a bit doomerish.

angrystego@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 07:20 collapse

The title makes it doomerish for sure.

GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network on 07 Nov 2023 21:56 next collapse

🤘

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 22:03 collapse

Obviously a scholar. AND a gentleman.

postmateDumbass@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 16:09 collapse

Not a bowler however.

AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 21:59 next collapse

Skimming through the cited paper, it looks like their conclusion is based less on a detailed model of the climate as much as a general property of dynamical systems and how plausible it is that current climate processes could result in a chaotic state.

What I’d like to see is if the more detailed models used in most climate forecasts are able to capture the sort of dynamics they describe. (Not predicting the outcome, obviously, but maybe predicting the circumstances in which a transition to a chaotic regime could occur.)

cuibono@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 03:22 next collapse

…

gestures vaguely at everything

nexusband@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 07:59 next collapse

And that’s new/news exactly…how? And Why? I mean, that’s been what the tipping points have been all about. Earth could end up like Mars, like Venus or some entirely different planet we haven’t found yet. It could swing wildly from Mars to Venus as well… Chaos is all but a lazy definition of various states in this context. The Probabilities for that are also quite low, iMHO.

dasgoat@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 12:03 collapse

Your humble opinion being based on… what, exactly?

The rest of us aren’t too smug to read the article and take interest in it

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 12:45 collapse

Is this a real person you’re responding to? I swear these are some AI chat bot amalgamations. I refuse to believe that a large group of people think this way.

dasgoat@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 17:46 collapse

You’re probably right… damn

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 18:06 collapse

I hope I’m wrong ;/

trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Nov 2023 13:09 next collapse

I’m reading lots of good news this morning.

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 13:11 collapse

Sorry, it’s unfortunately necessary.

trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Nov 2023 14:55 collapse

I suppose I would have found out eventually.

dan1101@lemm.ee on 08 Nov 2023 14:03 next collapse

We could feasibly blink out of existence in one quantum fluctuation, so I just try to enjoy this life while I can.

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 15:58 next collapse

New fear unlocks.

dan1101@lemm.ee on 08 Nov 2023 16:00 collapse

It won’t hurt. Or at least not for long. ;)

Agent641@lemmy.world on 08 Nov 2023 16:05 next collapse

Start blinking

sheogorath@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 16:00 collapse

What if we’re already living inside a false vacuum decay? We’re only the result of a random arrangement of matter in an infinite amount of time. It’s similar to the infinite monkey theorem right?

hyper@lemmy.zip on 09 Nov 2023 06:19 next collapse

Ya think?

Additional_Prune@lemmy.world on 11 Nov 2023 08:17 collapse

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