Trump and Israel killed Iran’s moderates. Now the more hardline military has stepped into the power vacuum (www.independent.co.uk)
from throws_lemy@reddthat.com to world@lemmy.world on 21 Apr 12:54
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 21 Apr 12:58 next collapse

By design…

Bibi doesn’t want peace, he wants constant war because that’s the only thing keeping him in office and out of prison.

trump also wants to stay in office and put of prison, so he’s gonna follow what’s working for Bibi.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 21 Apr 18:29 collapse

There’s an even wider material explanation. Israel’s territorial ambitions are only threatened by the resources coming from Iran. A moderate Iran would have sanctions lifted and would generate much more real reosiurces than today. Its economy grew 7% per year during the partial reprieve of the JCPOA. An extremist regime means more sanctions, more repression and therefore as little resources as possible spared for resisting Iarael’s territorial gains. And that’s in the in the interest of a lot of Israelis.

zedgeist@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 00:31 collapse

reosiurces

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 22 Apr 00:35 collapse

The joys of Unexpected Keyboard!

Gsus4@mander.xyz on 21 Apr 14:06 next collapse

I skimmed the article and did not find one name of a moderate who was killed…anybody? Is this metaphorical as in “discredited” the moderates?

belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Apr 14:08 next collapse

It’s more like hardliners being replaced with even harder hardliners, who often have personal reasons to be hardliners. Mojtaba Khamenei witnessed his Wife and daughter being murdered in an airstrike. He is not going to be thrilled about the US

krashmo@lemmy.world on 21 Apr 14:28 next collapse

And this is in comparison to the more moderate hardliners who killed ~40,000 protestors a few months back?

couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip on 21 Apr 17:31 next collapse

These people would have killed 50k

krashmo@lemmy.world on 21 Apr 18:20 collapse

I don’t think desire or intent was the limiting factor in the 40k number

couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip on 21 Apr 18:42 collapse

They were moderates

theolodis@feddit.org on 22 Apr 00:09 next collapse

As far as I am aware of, the estimations range from 6500 to about 36k, but no serious source I’ve seen so far mentioned 40k. Do you mind sharing where you got that number from?

Lower end (german platform) statista.com/…/iran-number-of-fatalities-during-t…

Higher end (Saudi funded, supports the crown prince in exile) www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198

belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Apr 07:55 collapse

Yes.

gigachad@piefed.social on 21 Apr 15:40 next collapse

You are speaking of harderliners aren’t you

antisoumerde@quokk.au on 21 Apr 16:51 next collapse

Harderliner

Eric@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Apr 10:40 collapse

No, it is too late and the hardestliners have seized power

theacharnian@lemmy.ca on 22 Apr 11:06 collapse

And his father.

frongt@lemmy.zip on 21 Apr 18:27 collapse

I think so. The first link suggests it would have more info on that topic, but it doesn’t.

nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Apr 14:22 next collapse

Same playbook bibi ran in Palestine, no ones more responsible for the rise of Hamas then him.

OpenStars@piefed.social on 21 Apr 17:12 next collapse

Except Hillary Clinton (/s btw 🤪)

Samskara@sh.itjust.works on 22 Apr 10:45 collapse

Palestinians have no agency of course.

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 22 Apr 11:09 collapse

They really don’t. The last time an election happened, the majority of them weren’t even alive. Israel wouldn’t let them vote in an actual government.

Samskara@sh.itjust.works on 22 Apr 11:10 collapse

Hamas are of course foreigners totally unconnected from Palestine.

vegeta@lemmy.world on 21 Apr 14:25 next collapse

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Malyca@lemmy.zip on 21 Apr 21:00 next collapse

Of course

Spacehooks@reddthat.com on 22 Apr 09:04 next collapse

I remember when Trump said “yeah we thought of ppl we wanted for regime change but we killed them”. Like wtf?

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 22 Apr 11:06 collapse

Or how he keeps hinting how they are working with someone they consider more reasonable, but can’t tell us who because Israel will kill them.

Spacehooks@reddthat.com on 22 Apr 11:24 collapse

Crazy how that’s a legit possibility. Not even “oh that’s conspiracy” talk.

finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 10:21 next collapse

See? He ams smat.

anon_8675309@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 11:18 collapse

How else would you perpetuate a war against a people.