Ukraine said it captured a Russian position using only ground robots and drones, no infantry, for the first time
(www.businessinsider.com)
from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Apr 15:21
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from MicroWave@lemmy.world to world@lemmy.world on 14 Apr 15:21
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Ukraine said it took a Russian position using just drones and ground robots.
Zelenskyy said it was a wartime first, and no Ukrainian infantry was involved.
He said robots have done over 22,000 missions in three months, keeping many soldiers from harm.
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Begun, the drone wars have
This is some ultrakill bullshit
Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrakill?wprov=sfla1
Spoiler
The Final War led to the invention of blood-powered machines as mostly soldiers and an arms race. A climate catastrophe caused by the war led to the Sun being blotted out, ending the war. Humans during the New Peace discovered and then started expeditions into Hell, up until their eventual extinction.
That’s metal AF on so many levels. Gotta play this one.
“Sarah Connorska?”
Sarah Connorshenko!
Western Infantry officers will be in shambles if this could be repeated again and again. It has to be tough killing one UGV while quad copters are overhead let alone dozens of them rolling up.
Nah, infantry officers would be over the moon if they didn’t have to throw bodies at fortified positions anymore and could just be tasked with holding the AO that the drones assaulted.
The age of drone on drone violence will make war more palatable to citizens.
Possible. It does seem like drones fighting drones should mean less human casualties, which has both a humanitarian side and an escalation risk side.
Then again a lot of people have thought their weapons would make war less deadly, and been very wrong, including the case of WWI-era artillery.
They “accidentally” told the drones/robots to attack the schools and hospitals. “We would never do that on purpose”
“Well why were the terrorists using school children as human shields!”
I doubt it will ever stop
This, but also if you aren’t putting your soldiers at risk then war becomes more palatable (and thus more likely). For example, I doubt Trump would have attacked Iran if he had been quoted 1000+ American causalties in the first week.
No one will give a shit about robots dying. The drones will either be attempting to war crime civillians or intercept said war crime robots.
And drone intercept rates arent even close to that not being scary.
Yeah, destroying inanimate robots isn’t really going to get your enemy to capitulate. Like shooting Iran’s missiles out of the sky isn’t going to change their plan.
People need to die in warfare for it to matter. Economic and infrastructure targets are really only useful in reaching that goal of killing.
People will give a shit about the robots dying once their side starts running low.
When shit turns into Helm’s Deep, when the robots are taking out the last of your defenses, you’ll give a shit lol.
Think of the drones and robots less like soldiers/planes and more like a thousand points that make up a force field. As that field decays, so does your protection beneath it.
I think you’re overestimating the defensive capabilities we have. Drones has been so successful in warfare specifically because there is no good counter, and numbers can be used to overcome more effective countermeasures.
Helms deep had walls which were impassable before breaching. Drones leak through defenses like a sieve.
Dude, I am not talking about capabilities we have. We’re talking about massive drone-on-drone wars, not today.
So thank you for contributing to some other conversation, but your comment does not exist in the same universe as mine.
That world is here and now. The only futuristic or scifi element is the perfect defense.
Yes, but human soldiers doing atrocities is nothing new (unfortunately). There’s no obvious reason to think drones will make that particular aspect of warfare worse.
might lead to faster extinction via other methods tho…
Would be super interested to see the camera feed from all the drones involved.
Until the drones start getting used on civilians. Which is absolutely going to happen and soon.
It’s been happening for ages already. What reality do you people live in?
“Whaddya mean, ‘you people’?”
We should probably secure rights to EMPs for self defense.
It’s been happening for a good 20 years already. Do you think US drone strikes were all military targets? Do you think both russia and ukraine didn’t absolutely dronefuck multiple population centers? Do you think israel didn’t use drones to carry out its genocides? There are probably tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of dead civilians due to drone strikes already.
You’re not wrong but I was specifically referencing the ground based drones with my comment. Apologies that wasn’t clear.
Ah yeah, that makes sense. But I feel like it may be a bit easier to run away from a ground-based drone than it is from an aerial one. For one, they’re much slower so you’d probably have a more advanced warning.
The thing I fear is that this just becomes a ridiculously futile war of resource attrition. It all comes down to who has more metals and chips and armaments to keep throwing at the other’s pools of the same until one gives up. What a waste…
…But then again, writing this, I realize that’s almost already how they treat human soldiers so…what will change, I wonder?
Exactly. We’re already there with which side has more human resources. Meanwhile asymmetric warfare is an escalation of technology and the resources to produce them. Sure, you can tip the balance of power on the battlefield with very clever use of resources, but it’s ultimately a contest of who is willing to dump the most into the conflict.
It could also be argued that technological warfare in a global economy makes resource blockades even more important. Nobody is 100% reliant on their homeland resources anymore. To effectively siege your opponent, you have to cut off everything that can fuel their ability to make war. That can be a huge perimeter in some cases.
What will change?
It’s easier to convince young people to hump soldiers into their partners than it is to create more rare earth elements.
How long until inter-country conflicts are settled by robot battles and we’re basically living the plot of Robo Jox?
As hard as that shit goes, we will probably never see an age of human piloted robots.
I really, honestly hope you are right. Sadly, I think you are wrong. I’ve recently been exposed to the concepts of “human safari” and “drone siege” and they aren’t pretty. “Drone on drone” might be just the preamble of these.
No preamble, unfortunately. The Russians are doing these “human safaris”, which are, of course, clear as day war crimes, to train their drone pilots.
Also to terrorize and wear out the civilian population of course, which is the Russian way of war.
AI drones are coming along, but these won’t only be used on other drones or robots, that much we can know already.
Indeed, I meant that in a hypothetical “drone vs drone” war, after the drones win the attacks on civilians and sieges will most likely come after.
I do not mean it will be tolerable to be near. I mean citizens of nations who choose war will tolerate it more if their own soldiers are not dying in war. If war requires less people and more “stuff” to wage, citizens will feel less motivation to speak out against it. It will make waging war more of an option not less of one, if only equipment is being lost.
What a time to be alive, male and between 18 and 50 🫡🫠
crazy stuff, now twinks will win wars not 7 feet chuds
I’ve seen some videos about drone operators. They are right next to the front lines, under constant observation by enemy drones, in the range of artillery, getting in and out during the night, spending most time underground. They may not be 7 feet tall but they are still chuds.
Let’s let capitalism intervene until they’re all in a call center in India
That’s not where you get the top progamers nowadays!
The more remote the comms, the higher the ability to interfere. And someone will always have to be close to launch drones with limited range.
Maybe the Ukrainian ones, ours sit in an air conditioned room in the Vegas desert then go to the strip club after their shift
That works for expensive drones, but not so much for the tiny ones that are ubiquitous on front lines.
Different types of drones. Ukraine uses mostly fiber wire drones (earlier WiFi) due to jamming. High altitude drones use some sat links.
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Praise the Omnissiah!
What an amazing entrée to untold horrors
This is nothing but an amuse-bouche compared to the future I foresee.
Wait, I’m on the side of the robots for this one?
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As always, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
things are going to get really weird
Good intentions and human skulls.
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Haha first thing I thought of reading that headline,shit we’re going terminator. Well one day they’ll realize they don’t need us I assume. Just have to blot out the sun to go Matrix…
So many exciting possibilities!!! NGL, I was hoping they’d bring dinosaurs back before the machines killed us. Maybe the Matrix will decide to incorporate them. I can live with that.
You want to live with fucking dinosaurs?? Didn’t you watch that movie?
Yeah. But I was a kid in the 80s so I’m also partial to this scenario:
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Lmao, that was before my time. That’s badass.
Looks more like that road is paved with Russian corpses.
May there be mercy on man and machine for their sins…
Ah, a fantastic quote, well done :-)
So… we got two ways to go. One the robot on robot wars end up wiping us all out by exhausting all or resources and of course killing civilians. Or we take to space and have the robot wars stay on earth. Mars at least I figure. For a few at least.
Or… send the robots to mars to fight…
Or Geonosis
Yeah, but the resources they want to fight over are on earth… for now. Humans will just have to keeping moving to stay out of the robots way.
I think I’ve seen this somewhere ….
Well, the future looks bright enough. We may work to death in captailist states, but at least robots will fight each other, so no need for soldiers.
…until one of the warring countries runs out of robots anyway. That’s when the real fun starts!
This can fill the void that Battlebots’ cancellation left behind.
Robots will fight each other over the burnt remnants of our homes.
Ukrainian remote operators are killing Russian soldiers today.
In another few weeks, a Russian advance will take territory containing Ukrainian operators. At which point, well…
Can’t wait for one of them to be chasing me down for the crime of “thinking unfavorably about Peter Thiel”
If it makes you feel any better, these are all being remote controlled.
So while you’re off from your day job of piloting the robot that hunts down dissident Filipinos, some Filipino operator is driving the drone that bombs your car for its “Impeach President Newsom” bumper sticker.
Something Something Just Like Communist China.
Ukraine has started using some AI drones. Probably (my guess) with the AI set to “if you lose connection, try to hit any humans in this area”. So no, not necessarily.
That would be a war crime.
How so? If the Ukrainians has previously determined that the area contains no civilians, then how would it be different from firing an unguided missile at the same area.
Or a landmine…
Because if no human being is on the trigger it is letting a cold steel killer decide over our races ability to continue living
What could go wrong there?
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One small step for man, one giant warning siren for mankind.
It’s also a pretty big step for man.
Yeah… I really don’t like the changes that the Russian Invasion of Ukraine are making to war.
Cheap Kamikaze drones, unmanned roving gun turrets, etc etc… Removing men on the ground feels like its gonna make it easier to pursue and lust for wars as these technologies continue to advance further and remove the human components.
well said. No boots on the ground doesn’t seem to mean less wars, just more wars with less boots on ground.
Yep.
it doesnt mean less wars.
It just means more innocent/civilian suffering.
What happens when it’s an occupying force? i.e. mainly around civilians.
It’s going to be a special kind of hell.
Robot Wars was a documentary
sudo make the Russians retreat
You are not in the sudoers file, this incident will be reported
Sudo delete the incident report
Surrendering to a machine sounds humiliating but still a better option than going back to the Russian military.