from HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works to world@lemmy.world on 15 Jun 2025 19:23
https://sh.itjust.works/post/40229128
This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.
This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.
Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?
Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.
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Angry old men … ruling the biggest countries in the world … and all of them not caring what they are going to do or not do because they’re going to be dead or senile or incapable to do anything within the next ten years.
blaming the top government officials only is stupid. Thet completelyignore that they got voted in and have majority support among their population. At least Iran has less of a choice, and even then was negotiating a deal and agreed to one in the past!
Putin has a day off?
He’s too busy begging these three for help.
Illegal, maybe. Unjustified? Maybe the author is unaware of Isreal’s recent divulgence of Iran’s plan to sprint for a nuke while its militant religious zealots in Hamas and Hizbullah are hobbled? Or how openly the mullahs state that they will use it?
citations needed!
Yes the mullahs want nukes. Source? I am Iranian.
I’m sorry but that is the most insane reply I have ever read in response to a perfectly valid question for citations. “Trust me bro! I’m Iranian!”
The mullahs have never shown the people any actual usage of the nuclear program. We are having planned blackout outs everyday for almost 1 hour and a half. So they don’t use the nuclear infrastructure to make up for the electricity shortage. From the day I was born Iran was sanctioned for it’s nuclear program but I have never seen an actual usecase of it outside of regime propaganda.
From the beginning of the regime they made many enemies. But Israel was the one they vowed to earase from the map. So if someday Iran makes nukes Israel will be the most in danger.
Khamenei seems to legitimately believe that he is some kind of chosen person to make things ready for the 12th Imam (Mahdi) to come. Yeah it sounds wild but remember, Khamenei is the leader of a theocracy. So to “make things ready” they tried to intervene and influence in the middle east. Assad in Syria, Hashad al Shabi in Iraq, Hezbollah in Lebonan, etc.
More like “Trust me bro I’m on the Iran desk at Eglin Airforce Base.” There are Iranians yapping on Facebook etc, even the critical ones don’t use US State Department lingo to refer to the Iranian government like “the mullahs” lol.
I mean, given the attacks I can see why they would feel nuclear weapons are necessary.
Nobody is pulling this shit on North Korea.
Never thought a lemmy.ml user would not be campist and see the evil of the leaders of Iran. Thank you my friend. It’s good to see that not everyone on Lemmy is supporting Khamenei and his regime. It’s though watching people white washing the regime that has ruined my homeland, Iran.
I remember when Americans purged Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria of Evil.
Funny how Khamenei’s regime has also done their share of intervention in the same places.
Afghanistan: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liwa_Fatemiyoun
Iraq: …wikipedia.org/…/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(20…
Syria: …wikipedia.org/…/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Syri…
Lebonan: …m.wikipedia.org/…/Iranian_influence_in_Lebanon
I am not pro Isis. I am an exmuslim Atheist. Isis happened to get in the way of the regime and that’s why they fought it. They wanted themselves to influence and rule. Arguing with you seems to be pointless. You accused me of supporting people who would kill me because I am queer and also left Islam. I’m blocking you.
Bruh when Israel can just do a genocide and bomb countries left and right with no consequences AND they have nukes, it’s perfectly normal to want nukes to even the odds. Nothing justified about any of Israel’s crimes.
Israel has nuclear weapons, its neighbours that it threatens have every right to nuclear weapons. You just want Israel to achieve its expansionist goals with no pushback.
Despite having nuclear weapons and not being a party to the NPT, Israel has never threatened to use them.
Unlike Iran and most of its neighbors which threaten to destroy Israel every chance they get.
Since before its founding it has been engaged in ethnic cleansing, massacres and expansion. Right now it illegally occupies the West Bank, parts of Lebanon and Syria, enforces a brutal siege on the Gaza Strip and is guilty of genocide. You are talking about it as if they are victims and not a violent and racist settler colonial project based on apocalyptic and messianic ideologies.
en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_United_Nations_resolut…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantura_massacre
en.wikipedia.org/…/Israeli_occupation_of_the_Gola…
www.972mag.com/second-nakba-mainstream-israeli-ri…
mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-pla…
news.un.org/en/story/2024/07/1152296
With Zionists, every accusation is a confession
Surely nobody has ever lied about the military capability of a country it wanted to attack…
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Khamenei maybe an angry old man considering his country is facing an existential threat but Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal and Trump is a rapist with nefarious ties to the notorious Epstein
My Iranian ass spending minutes to get my VPN working so I can access lemmy and watch people whitewash the man responsible for all my misery only to shit on Netanyahu and Trump:
I mean screw the men responsible for your misery, but Iran is objectively the good guy when it comes to Palestine. We don't have quite as much opportunity to shit on Khomeini now that Assad isn't around, but we still hate him don't worry.
From what I understand from your message it looks like to me that this is all something like a game for you people to virtue signal.
Edit: Funny how you got Khomeini and Khamenei mixed up. It shows how much you know and care about the matter.
No? What do you even mean by whitewashing him? The atrocities he commits just aren't relevant to the topic at hand, so they're not brought up.
Wow, TIL. I thought their names were both Khomeini but that makes more sense.
Not every conflict has a good guy, there are no good guys, the Khamenei regime is evil and so is the leadership of Isreal. Just because the latter attacked the former does not make them innocent, let the bastards burn and pity the civilian.
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Ali Khamenei.
Had nothing to do with the overthrow of the Iranian democracy in 1953.
So it justifies the crimes of the mullahs? Why do you want it to seem that America is the devil and the mullahs are OK? Can’t them both be bad in your mind?
Didn’t the CIA do that
To install Pahlavi as Shah, absolutely.
This was in an effort to keep Iran from selling oil to the USSR.
The exiled government of Iran have more in common with Taiwan today. You seem to think that they would force a monarchy, which isn’t true.
Khomeini hijacked the revolution that ousted the Shah and turned it from a triumphant moment and chance for change into a “under new management” situation.
Khamenei now presides over this theocratic regime and continues to oppress Iran.
The lion’s share of the proletariat were religious conservatives. He didn’t hijack the revolution, he was a foundational pillar of its execution.
Show me a Middle Eastern government more liberal than President Masoud Pezeshkia’s Independent Reformist coalition. Half their neighbors are Kingdoms, ffs. The other half are military dictatorships. Iran is one of the few proper democracies on the continent. It’s theocratic because the majority of its constituents are conservative theocrats sending up religious politicians to the parliament. Iran is no more theocratic than Pakistan or Mississippi.
I don’t have time or will to dive into all of this but this one part: “It is theocratic because the majority of it’s constituents are conservative theocrats” There are no non-theocratic politians in Iran, they do not get approved for standing in an election. Every candidate, on every level, has to be approved by the Guardian Council. Who elected that council? Well, half of the council are clerics, appointed the Supreme Leader. The other half are jurists, who are selected by the Majilis from list approved by the Chief Justice. Who appointed the Chief Justice? The Supreme Leader.
Meaning all 12 positions of the body that decides who can stand for election are either appointed by the supreme Leader or appointed by someone with direct allegiance to the Supreme Leader.
Take the president for example: Pezeshkian would legally not be able to stand for election if he wasnt a Shia Muslim or didn’t affirm that the Supreme Leader is the ultimate authority in matters of religion and social issues. Meaning by law, both social and religious reforms can only be done with the consent of the supreme Leader.
The constituents send up theocratic politicians because there are no other politicians. A theocrat has the ultimate power of determining who is and isn’t a viable candidate.
Ahmadinejad has taken a number of opportunities to take subtle swipes at the clerics, including Khamenei, questioning in public for example whether their edicts are directives or suggestions. He has also tried to consolidate more power for the presidency, trying to create a parallel foreign ministry and by making political appointments he’s not entitled to make.
Hardly the only President to wrestle for power against the Leadership Council, but this was such an obvious historical bullet point it was easy to find citation on. These are not Theocrats in any meaningful way and they break from religious leadership as they see fit. What’s more, Khamenei himself came to his office over the objections of numerous members of the Assembly of Experts, having to argue for special dispensation precisely because he was neither a marja’ or ayatollah prior to assuming office. It does not seem as though Iran lacks for partisan wrangling or strict adherence to religious dogma.
Such weasel words. You might as well claim no one in the US can stand for election without being approved by a sitting President or someone with direct allegiance to a sitting President. Then wave your hands at the national party apparatus and the various partisan elected county clerks.
No politician rises on their own accord. They all require networks of supporters and compatriots to climb into higher office.
I asked you to show me a Middle Eastern government more liberal than President Masoud Pezeshkia’s Independent Reformist coalition.
All you could rebut with is whining at the nomination process being not to your taste.
I don’t think you actually know or care for the state of Iranian democracy one way or another. All you seem to care about is that they’ve replaced a Western friendly military dictatorship with a religiously inclined elected parliament.
Pick up a copy of John Locke’s Social Contract and hit yourself with it.
In the United States, the president does not approve candidates and he doesn’t appoint anyone who approves candidates.
| A government more liberal than Iran in the middle east.
You might as well ask for the most slave friendly state in the antebellum South. They’re shit. The 2009 elections might have yielded a more liberal parliament, but those elections got fudged and when people took to the streets, the state murdered 1.500 of them. If there ever was any democracy, it died that year.
Not a single man will ever be able to run in Iran on a platform that doesn’t rely on the Shariah to dispense justice, that does not demand the subjugation of women or liberalizes society in any meaningful way. Iran had a democracy. It got couped, replaced with a monarchy and now Iran lives under a theocracy with a democratic theater in front.
Stacking the antebellum South against Bleeding Kansas and asking which state is the most slave friendly? It’s an easy answer. One of them had men and women fight the encroaching slavers off at gunpoint and declared itself a free state. And they did it while waving a few bibles, which I’m sure is the real sin involved.
Those damned abolitionists were too fucking religious. Therefore, they were just as bad as the slaughterhouses full of mutilated slaves next door.
How did the far more secular Iraq fair when the Texas-born Southerner George W. Bush came calling?
It’s so crazy to see you bring up the American slave system, in the midst of a US-backed jihad on Iranian soil by their proxies in the ethno-nationalist state of Israel. Gee, why would Iranians be so hostile towards these foreigners and so intent on policing themselves against their influence? Is it because every attempt to reach out a hand in pursuit of peace and prosperity, the response is another bombing run?
Iran had a secular democracy. Then all the secularists got butchered and purged by the Shah. The survivors were the Islamists. And when they regained their strength and revolted, the nation that emerged was a sectarian state, born out of the blood and fire of a western backed civil war.
The west is still at war with Iran for all the Iranians’ efforts at peace. And it seems the western raison d’être for this half century of butchery is “Damn, y’all are too Muslim”?
Fuck off.
Didn’t know the people in bleeding Kansas started executing slaves, but hey, what’s a little repression of Kurdish and Arab rebellions in an empire eh?
And why, if no other possible party was there and the Islamists achieved their goal totally unopposed, did they feel the need to massively purge their own revolutionary government within the year?
Framing a fucking Shariah state as “trying to keep western influence out”, while said State encodes the legal discrimination of women and non-shia Muslims into law, retains apostasy laws and oppresses the shit out of it’s Kurdish and Balochi minorities, is the most “West bad” type of shit I’ve seen in days.
I don’t hate the Basijis and Mullahs because the western media told me, I hate them because of my Iranian friends. I am sure, Nika Shakarami, Mahsa Amini and Hadis Najafi can rest easy knowing that the Regime that murdered them at least isn’t a disgusting westernized one.
Fuck off. Go suck basij dick somewhere else.
They executed slavers.
So they have nothing in common with the IR.
So? US foreign policy has done a number of the whole world. It’s not an excuse for Khamenei and his goons to uphold this regime.
If you don’t want to be governed by conservatives, quit lining all the progressives against the wall and shooting them.
Blaming Khamenei for governing like a conservative Muslim, when you’re in a region absolutely choked with religious conservative governments, seems to miss the forest for the trees. Especially after the US was instrumental in undermining and dismantling all the modernist secular democracies from the first half of the 20th century.
You are out of touch if you think Trump is worse than Khamenei
EDIT: Lemmy, wake me up when Trump orders to kill the protestets, because by every passing day most of you look more and more delusional to me, lost in your own hate. Feels weird defending trump, but there is a day and night difference between the two. See what Iranians themselves are saying.
Trump is actively helping to exterminate hundreds of thousands in Gaza. He is orders of magnitude worse than Khamenei
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/…/ar-AA1GHwj1
I’m not sure what did you mean by this. Violently attacking police officers usually results in the same thing anyways. Read the first lines from that article, he’s not talking about normal protesters and neither was that government official. Very poorly worded and stupidly timed.
I’m sure according to the iranians their victims deserved it too 😊
Because someone didn’t wear a gender discriminatory dress that the president enforces upon it’s population? Dude, get reality checked. Trump is a piece of shit, but he’s pretty far from such extreme levels of evilness. When I’ll see news like “Trump administration executes Harvard students for protesting”, then I’ll re-consider my views
EDIT: Lemmy, please stop supporting radical islam. Not even muslims like you. Wtf is wrong with you people?
Bitch please trump is a litteral rapist.
Funny how westerners suddenly care a lot about women and gays when it comes to bombing muslims
Lots of people in this site are sympathetic to any tyrant as long as they aren’t ruling over a western country.
Stop pretending like Khamenei isn’t a criminal. He’s not just an angry old man because they’re “facing an existential threat” he’s a fuckwad through and through and no Iranian would shed a tear if he was shelled. Israel certainly started this iteration of the conflict but Khamenei and the regime has a rap sheet far longer than Trump’s.
What do you know, you’re danish
What do I know? My parents came to Denmark fleeing from this shitty regime. What do you know?
Are you?
Coz I noticed a few astroturfing account posing as iranians.
I am, but I won’t claim that I’m not first and foremost Danish - apart from when it comes to food… But I do feel like I’m allowed to have a strong opinion on the regime.
Do you still know people in Iran? Aren’t you concerned about them getting firebombed like people in Beyruth?
Of course I have family in Iran, even though I don’t know them too well. How are you reading that I’m happy that terrorist (Israeli) bombs are falling on people? Regular people are always the losers in warfare, no matter the circumstances. Just wouldn’t be sad if it happened to fall on Khamenei - nor if a missile landed on Bibi’s house.
My wife would be sad
Right now iran is the only country that’s standing up to israel. Let the west put a puppet regime there and they can just genocide arabs all they want
Israel is undoubtedly the most evil regime in the world but upholding another evil regime oppressing 90+ million people just because they lay claim to standing up to Israel - without producing any particularly strong results - doesn’t seem like the tradeoff to go for. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Iran can still be on the right side of history without Khamenei and his goons.
yeah go tell her that her friends got firebombed. Where else do you look for hope?
What, you think you’re gonna get democracy through western bombing. Just look at iraq and lybia. Both great democracies now lmao
Again, what does that have to do with not supporting the regime? They’re not there to protect the people.
Of course not, USA and Israel won’t ever let Iran thrive - but it can’t be any worse, like in Syria. New crappy regime to replace the old, but a slight improvement nonetheless.
It’s so hilarious how they try to spin any criticism of the IR as blind Zionism. Gotta love it.
Khamenei is a priest. 'Nuff said. Israel is a theocratic state. Religious people attacking each other, with normal people in the middle. Once more, Rome did it first, 900 something years ago.
In any other country, Khamenei would be considered a pedophile.
You know, the whole marrying children business.
Apparently defending yourself is the peak of insanity now.
I think many people learned the wrong lesson from GWB’s Iraq War. It was presented as (among other things) a way to stop an enemy of the USA from obtaining nuclear weapons and it was a mistake, so they conclude that using force to stop enemies of the USA from obtaining nuclear weapons is a mistake. However, using force (if necessary) to stop enemies of the USA from obtaining nuclear weapons is a prudent idea and the problem with that Iraq War was that it was not actually fought for that purpose. GWB was the boy who cried wolf but real wolves still exist.
Zionists being pro-imperialism. Who woulda thunk?!
Imagine arguing that people thinking you shouldn’t launch unprovoked wars of aggression, is a bad thing
Why should Israel have nuclear weapons but not Iran?
Israel is an ally of the USA but Iran is violently hostile to the USA.
This article is fine, but kind of superfluous.
We get it. Everyone can see this. If you don’t have actionable advice or some additional insight, you’re really just reporting that water is wet.
Unfortunately not everyone is aware that water is wet. And often there are groups who try and convince people otherwise.
I agree that more ideas need to be put into action that can actually accomplish change for the better, but that requires that people be informed first.
Akkshually
So… by a highly common definition it is wet. That’s not much of a debate.
There are plenty of words that mean different things in scientific contexts that are different from common use. It’s like saying “the sky is blue” is a false statement. Yes, there are contexts where the sky isn’t blue. At night. On other planets. Perhaps earlier periods in our planet’s history. But are we in those contexts right now? And is my meaning ambiguous?
There are a lot of times where language is unclear, and we must work to bridge communication barriers. But to insist on debating things when no genuine confusion is present is just an a bizarre antisocial practice.
Tldr
Water is not wet
That’s a fun song (but also obviously silly and wrong).
I guess you go around calling fire burned
This is silly.
First, I don’t know why you’re using the past tense. I don’t call water “wetted” I call it “wet”. And while I wouldn’t call fire “burned”, I would call it “burning”.
But here’s the thing: you’re welcome to have your idiosyncratic opinion on this. The fact that you seem to want me to argue my side when I feel perfectly comfortable letting you have a subjective opinion most people consider ridiculous says to me that (A) you know which one of us holds the broadly agreed upon position and (B) this isn’t about resolving a dispute. It’s just online debate for sport.
Enjoy believing a hotdog is a sandwich. Sleep well in your claims that cereal is a soup. I’m not going to explain to you why water is wet because it’s a waste of my time.
Better men than these shitmuppets have tried
Don’t forget Putin…
Fuck thes old, power-hungry war-mongering pieces of excrement. Their death will be celebrated by millions.
Please put an age restriction on politicians, it would solev sooo much nonsense.
Yeah, people who are young enough to actually have to worry about the future.
Grumpy old men.
Putin is by far the worst one.
Neither Netanyahu nor Khamenei have the capacity for war the way the other 2 have.
And Putin already has achieved what Trump wants to achieve: being a dictator with full control of the state.
Oh how much the world would improve if all 4 of them suddenly get a bullet between the eyes.
How is Putin worse than Netanyahu? Just compare the children death toll in Palestine vs. Ukraine.
Don’t mistake Ukraine’s ability for self-defense as Putin’s mercy.
Who knows for sure? But we can assume that Putin had something to do with Hamas launching the strike just by the fact how much it helped him. It did cause half of the world to turn their eyes away from Ukraine, to believe that Gaza is now the most important crisis on this planet.
Why would a population living under a military occupation since 1967 do such a thing? And why would the world see a genocide as the most important crisis?
Putin, of course.
You’re biased, based on your handle. You think Gaza is important.
I’m also biased, because I live next to Russia. I think defending against Russia in the current situation is much more important than anything that could happen in Gaza. And if you want to take the historical perspective, Russia has violated my country and the people of my country several times during the last 300 years at least, and probably more. Middle East obviously has the potential to beat us on the historical record, given how the whole of human civilization practically rose in that area, but still. It’s not like this is happening for the first time over here either.
It’s not that I don’t care about their tragedies, it’s just that it’s nowhere near a top priority right now. If Russia stops being a crazy asshole, things farther away from my country’s borders may become more important to me. Still, note that if what I’m suggesting is true, Putin and Russia are partially to blame about what’s happening In Gaza. With a handle like yours, you probably cared about Gaza already before Putin’s manipulations, but half of the eyes of the lefties in west were looking at Ukraine. They are not looking at Ukraine anymore, like they should be doing.
Truth to be told, geopolitically speaking it seems much more sane to be on Israel’s side because they’re against Iran, who’s on Russia’s side. And Palestine seems to be kinda on Russia’s side as well so remind me again why I should support them at all?
Well at least liberals are being open in their belief that only white people matter…
But you’re literally a Gaza genocide supporter, so maybe you’re more of a fascist than a liberal.
This is like a parody of what a BlueAnon liberal would say, my god
With all the awful manipulation putin and the Russian state have done in the world play, I would be surprised if they didn’t have a hand in Hamas.
Yup, that is indeed a Qanon tier conspiracy theory. Liberals literally just reinventing the Judeo–Bolshevik conspiracy theory to blame Russia for those dirty browns fighting back against being genocided.
putin just kidnaps children and converts them to be Russian to fight in his wars.
Which, while bad, is still vastly superior to just straight up exterminating them.
Good thing Israel never kidnapped children.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair
trtworld.com/…/israel-kidnaps-palestinian-infants…
democracynow.org/…/new_report_details_israels_pat…
They would immediately get replaced with someone just as bad if not worse. The world has an endless supply of power hungry warmongering assholes.
Only if you believe that white lives are far more valuable than non-white lives
Which non-white lives? The ones in Ukraine?
The ones in Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran. That should have been obvious, but you forgot that those non-Ukrainian people even existed.
While I partially agree on this, let’s consider some cases:
Youth is clearly not enough. Age limit + term limit might be a useful combination, but it all falls down when you allow somebody to just grab all power anyway and reset all the rules and limits, like Putin and Xi Jinping have done.
Yes agreed
Khameni didn’t want a war
So far also Iran only matched target groups after Israel targeted them first. E.g. Israel strikes MoD offices in Tehran -> Iran strikes back at the MoD in Tel Aviv. Israels strikes Iranian gas and electrical infrastructure -> Iran strikes back at Israeli Gas and electrical infrastructure.
Iran doesn’t want this war and keeps reiterating to go back to diplomacy, however the US and multiple G7 countries, especially UK, France and Germany are rattling the sabres more, defending Israels onslaught while condemning Irans responses. These countries claiming they would seek a diplomatic solution makes for rather cynical lies when they cover the attacker and condemn the defender.
No doubt Israel started this iteration but to say that Iran doesn’t want war is viewing the regime too favourably. Of course they don’t want war on Iranian territory - but they do want to directly sponsor Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, al-Assad (until he fell), and other mostly Shia militias while severely oppressing their own population - especially minorities. Fuck Israel but it’s not like Iran comes with peaceful intentions. My parents fled from this regime, and while virtually no Iranian supports Israel’s actions or wants war, most of us wouldn’t shed a single tear if the entire regime were wiped out.
No doubt Iran has acted in aggressive ways in other places. However it seemed to not have directed its aggression directly at Israel. People keep claiming that Iran would have orchestrated October 7, but if it had, Hezbollah, Houthis and Iranian proxies in Syria and Iraq would have joined in full force. So Iran wasn’t interested in a confrontation with Israel in the past years either.
Oh absolutely, this one is on Israel for sure. Just important to note that it’s not like the Iranian regime is made up of pacifists
Israel and the US would like my very much if it was made of pacifists
Now that the zionists cannot deny the genocide anymore they have to resort to slandering their victims. After all if israel didn’t murder palestinians the hamas and evil iranians would genocide them.
It was a pre-emptive genocide if you will /s
Did you forget that israel also backed the shah which was also oppressive and killed iranian? The west and it proxy israel always trying to control iranian natural ressources.
Iran provide weapons to resistance groups but do not control their actions. It’s not different than the united state selling weapona to it’s allies
Iran was forced to intervene in syria because the plan was always to put another regime that will protect israel and not because they love the butcher Assas butchring syrians
You can’t claim to not support israel when they are the one right now trying to change the regime right now. How many iranians do you think should die for a regime change that will be replaced by a puppet not chosen by iranians?
For me it’s about being realistic. Iran is never gonna defeat Israel as long as the Americans support them. You’re right that Iran will never flourish because the powers won’t ever allow it - Israel, USA, Western Europe, Saudi Arabia, sometimes Turkey… puppet or not, I’m not gonna support the devil I know just because I can’t know what happens in the time after.
So do you agree that Israel should stop the war then Iranians themselves decide to overthrow the regime?
Of course I do? My only statement is that I wouldn’t be sad if a rocket happened to hit Khamenei. Never gonna shed a tear for a tyrant, even if it was my other enemy that caused his downfall.
If Khamenei die , it will be replaced by another. In the process of trying to kill Khamenei ton of civilians will die. Are you ready for the rest of your family who are still in Iran to risk dying in the process?
I don’t even know my family because we can’t travel to the country 😀 so you tell me how unjustified my hatred for this regime is. I don’t want any civilian Iranians - and especially my family - to die from Israhelli bombs, but doesn’t change the fact I’m gonna smile if Khamenei catches one, replaced by another moron or not.
I am not critizing your hate for the regime. I am critizing your lack of empathy for all the iranians that will get murdred in the process of killing khamenei. How about wishing that he will die a painful natural death instead?
I’m a bit too angry, I agree with you, especially with the clear escalations in Israhelli attacks now. I don’t want any Iranians to die due to Bibi and his fascists. I’ll reconsider by rhetoric in the future and just wish for Khamenei and Bibi to get sudden heart malfunctions.
I agree
Would you smile if Macron or Starmer caught an Iranian rocket?
Don’t know if Starmer’s been directly terrible enough yet that I have such a negative view on him to directly smile, but I won’t shed a tear for any warmongerer.
He’s actively supported the genocide in Gaza, for one thing
Then why would I be sad if he was hit?
You shouldn’t, I’m just not used to people being consistent about this kind of thing.
Fair enough. I may be a jerk sometimes or have edgy takes, but I’m consistent in my contempt for repressive regimes and authorities.
Would you take the same view if Iranian rockets started killing Zionist politicians in Europe?
And it doesn’t hit regular people to a significant degree? That’d be great actually. Could they potentially hit some oligarchs and far-right morons as well?
Yeah, not a significant degree, just a few families.
You’re supporting the devil right now.
Empire has been attacking Iran for centuries. The current state is a direct result of imperial violence. Iran has had no choice but to defend itself for decades.
Because they know they’ll lose it as things currently stand.
That’s why they’ve been trying to build nukes.
First of all: It’s not clear that they want nukes. Like, seriously, they have been accused of almost having nukes for thirty years, it’s much more plausible at this point that they are much more interested in the ability to acquire them quickly in case they need them.
But even then: It makes no sense for them to use them aggressively, but it makes an unbelievable amount of sense for them to want them for defensive purposes. Like: They have time and time suffered from western interference, including the extremely bloody Iran-Iraq-war and have a hostile, nazi-run rouge state running a genocide and storing nukes without NPT-approval that is receiving unlimited support from the US in their vicinity.
The fact of the matter is that there is no country on earth that is as justified in pursuing a nuclear deterrent on earth as Iran.
And none of that changes anything about the government being made up from horrible tyrants that are almost as bad (but definitely not actually as bad, let alone worse!) as the one in Israel. They absolutely should be overthrown, but that’s not the job for the genocidal nazis in Israel.
They never tried to build a nuke
Yes, I’m sure a nation with huge oil and gas reserves wants nuclear just to have very expensive energy.
They want nuclear weapons to prevent regime change due to external interference. Russia can’t protect them. There’s no NATO style protection for Russian allies. I think we’re only seeing this now because of how weak Russia is on the global stage.
We heard this dumb argument for decades
I think you mean western imperialism and genocidal zionism which have been attacking Iran for decades/centuries.
Sounds like they should have a nuke
Gotta be a complete idiot not to build nukes when a rogue genocidal cult is constantly threatening to nuke you.
A nuclear Iran is one of the only hopes for peace.
This freaking assholes are going to do the thing that the last string of Putin’s morality didnt allow him to do and give a white card to any future psycopath to use nuclear weapons.
Russia and the USA created this monsters. We need to deweaponize the fuck out of all of them before it is to late.
damn they just pretend the UK is not the country that fuel Jets over Iraq to facilitate the bombing. Or it is not the UK base in Cyprus and vessels that provide a command center and communication tool to facilitate the mission.
If you want to attack Iran and accelerate to a wwiii don’t shy from telling the truth about your involvement, we know it, you know it …
The Zygon Inversion - A Transcript of The Doctor’s Speech [edited for brevity]
The Doctor: You just want cruelty to beget cruelty. You’re not superior to people who were cruel to you. You’re just a whole bunch of new cruel people. A whole bunch of new cruel people, being cruel to some other people, who’ll end up being cruel to you. The only way anyone can live in peace is if they’re prepared to forgive. Why don’t you break the cycle?
Bonnie: Why should we?
The Doctor: What is it that you actually want?
Bonnie: War.
The Doctor: Ah. And when this war is over, when – when you have the homeland free from humans, what do you think it’s going to be like? Do you know? Have you thought about it? Have you given it any consideration? Because you’re very close to getting what you want. What’s it going to be like? Paint me a picture. Are you going to live in houses? Do you want people to go to work? What’ll be holidays? Oh! Will there be music? Do you think people will be allowed to play violins? Who will make the violins? Well? Oh, You don’t actually know, do you? Because, just like every other tantruming child in history, Bonnie, you don’t actually know what you want. So, let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you’ve killed all the bad guys, and it’s all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers. How are you going to protect your glorious revolution from the next one?
. . .
The Doctor: This is a scale model of war. Every war ever fought right there in front of you. Because it’s always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who’s going to die. You don’t know who’s children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered! How much blood will spill until everybody does what they’re always going to have to do from the very beginning – sit down and talk! Listen to me, listen. I just – I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It’s just a fancy word for changing your mind.
Trust The Guardian to “both-sides” a blatant war of aggression and just completely fail to mention the massive genocide Israel is carrying out.
Yeah lmao the idiots who spent the last year doing lib shit are now very concerned about iran human right track record. How convenient
Seriously. The Guardian has had no problem with Muslims being killed up till now. So long as it was Israel doing it.
Huh? I have seen tons of articles in Guardian calling Israel’s actions a genocide. This is much more than what one can say for the rest of western mainstream media. And before someone says something along the lines of “yea only after everyone started saying it” there are many articles in 2024 and some of these articles go as far back as 2023 Nov, Dec (the Hamas attack was 2023 Oct and Israeli genocide started in October right after this) saying that dehumanizing language used by Israeli state ministers and events unfolding in Gaza are genocidal. I wonder what do you base these comments on when there are dozens of articles in Guardian calling this a genocide.
A consensus is emerging: Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Where is the action?
Israel committing genocide in Gaza, says EU’s former top diplomat
Israel’s leaders committed genocide in Gaza and must pay for it. Their political and media allies must too
Israel’s war in Gaza amounts to genocide, Amnesty International report finds
Military intervention must be used to stop the genocide in Gaza
What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?
We’re anti-Zionist Jews and we see genocide unfolding in Gaza
There is even an editorial one laying out how inhumane and aggressive Israeli state is:
The Guardian view on Israel and allegations of genocide: a case that needs to be heard
They call the Gaza genocide a “war” to this day. Opinion articles and quotes from others are not Guardian editorial.
Here is what actual news calling it a genocide looks like. Not hiding behind opinion articles and quote marks.
You mean tens of articles published in a main stream media since the genocide started all calling it a genocide has no impact? It has more impact than a smaller scale news site publishing similar editorial pieces. It has more reach and it contributes more. Having an editorial article with the same tone is the ideal situation but I will take the former any day when other media fire their long time employees for just a single comic for god’s sake. And we know how much international bullying there is to call writers of such articles anti-semitist. So creating an environment where people can publish such articles in a mainstream media outlet takes a lot of effort, resources and shielding. If we are going to race quotes here you go:
Israel’s leaders committed genocide in Gaza and must pay for it. Their political and media allies must too
There was a palastine support march in London about a month ago with almost half a million people joining it and a kilometers long line of people. I would like to think that main stream media allowing opinion pieces calling genocide a genocide has some contribution to that.
Try posting them here or anywhere else and see what the mods do with opinion articles if they are critical of Israel.
Is written by Owen Jones who heavily pushed for this himself. TheGuardian did not decide to publish that out of their own free will. Owen is one of those “tiny guys” you are talking about. He makes videos against the Palestinian genocide almost daily.
If the Guardian did not decide to publish this opinion piece and tens of others from Owen and other authors with similar tones how did all these get published? Did they blackmail Guardian into publishing these? How is it not their free will?
TheGuardian readers started getting turned off because they started noticing the paper is a propaganda rag.
Why do you think it took TheGuardian more than a year to finally shift tone against Israel and allow some opinion articles?
More than a year? There is a 2023 article calling it a genocide and zionism. I have linked tens of articles above ranging from 2023 to 2024 with similar tones. I have not seen any links from you that support your claims.
I never saw that 2023 article before. Must have been buried in the back beneath TheGuardian their fake rape claims of october 7
Here is the actual news which you will NEVER see TheGuardian publishing:
No rape allegations filed from 7 October, reveals Israeli prosecutor
I agree the tone of the article is extremely biased (the same author (Guardians Jerusalem correspondent I believe) did at least went on to document many civilian deaths on the Palestinians side as well at least). Guardian also reports on the other side of the story too:
Claims of Israeli sexual assault of Palestinian women are credible, UN panel says
and many others. So this is to me more a case of bad individually biased journalism rather than a reporting that is enforced by general journal policies. Were it the latter case, we would not be able to see all the other articles I linked and the same author would not be able to write articles such as
theguardian.com/…/new-details-on-killing-of-param…
theguardian.com/…/gaza-palestinians-israeli-aid-b…
This is not what a completely biased media is. What you linked looks more like a hastily written article without waiting for resolution of all the evidence, perhaps because the author took the supposed description of events too emotionally. I agree though, it would have been much better if that news was presented in the form of laying all the facts neutrally and leaving it there such as:
…wikipedia.org/…/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence…
The fact that Israeli government tried to created a distorted perception of what happened during the Hamas attacks or is committing genocide in Palestine does not clear Hamas of killing (in some cases violently) and kidnapping civilians though. So there is that. Fuck state of Israel and zionism but also fuck Islamist terrorist organizations who forces their msoygnistic world views on the populace the moment they get control of a city. So there is that just to clarify my perspective on the matter.
Yes but these other reports did not make their front page.
Furthermore, what matters is TheGuardian gave their own reputation to spread lies about seeing video evidence of tape. This did not exist. Thus TheGuardian has no reputation left and is an Israeli propaganda outlet. Placing a few pro-Palestine posts after Gaza is flattened does not undo their previous lies…
I think we have all seen what Israeli propaganda outlets look like. People get fired and labelled anti-semitist at the slightest mention of war crimes by Israel let alone mentioning the genocide. An Israeli propaganda outlet does not publish articles that help form a public consensus that what Israel is doing is genocide. I agree such news definitely cost Guardian its reputation but I disagree that Guardian is a full on Israel propaganda outlet. In fact claiming this after seeing all those articles about genocide and zionism (all of which by the way can be reached by just a one click on the Israel-Palestine link at the main page) is absurd in my opinion.
One of them is not like the others
False equivalencies.
The thing is, there are people who need to be killed, and we just can’t agree on who. And the people who say no one are the worst of all. Let’s make some progress in this world.
Peak liberal both sidesism. Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good, Iran bad. This is a big part of why we have genocide against palestinians and trump in office.
You are either being dishonest or have bad reading comprehension. The OP clearly labels Trump as part of the problem, alongside Netanyahu and Khameini. They also blame Israel for escalating with Iran when talks were still ongoing. They are not saying what you claim they are.
I think it’s probably that Americans only do this “both sides are to blame” when their side is the one to blame
Where did you read “USA good” in that post?
Ah yes, blame all three even though its been clearly israel and Netanyahu who have been beating the war drums for 30+ years. Israel has been talking about Iran developing a nuke for 30 years and saying that “its around the corner”. Israel did the same with Iraq btw and dragged the US to war.
You mean unlike the islamic dictatorship that was founded with an objective to destroy Israel?
Oh no, another “we are the victim” comment
I’m definitely not a victim. But pretending that Iran is somehow morally superior to Israel is fucking laughable.
The Iranian regime is also criminal. When it comes to civilians however, the Israelis are far more criminal. They are settlers who steal other peoples land, they participate and actively endorse genocide. 82% of them want to ethnically cleansed Gaza.
We need a de-zionisation like we had de-nazification.
Yeah, i wouldn’t be happy if people came and took my land. The difference between them is that Iran has already done the deed and taken everything from those that aren’t Muslims.
Morally superior, probably not. Causing less geopolitical problems and starting less unprovoked wars, definitely. At least right now.
They learned from USA and the soviets how to invest in proxies that does the work.
Lol. What about the millions that got them into office in the first place? It’s not a gender issue. It’s a human nature one - acting out their insecurities by lashing out at the perceived enemy.
You forgot the worst one: Putin, age 72 years.
Trump and Netanyahu are both worse.
If anyone needed further evidence that “tankie” just means “anyone to the left of the US Democrats”, I present the above.
How is defending one fascist leader as less evil than two others left of anything?
So the person defending Trump and Netanyahu as less evil than Trump is a tankie as well? Or are you just a hypocrite?
No, theyre likely leaning towards overly focusing on American pain.
Someone overly focused on Netanyahu as evil, honestly like fair, he’s doing some hardcore genocide at the moment.
If someone is overly focusing on Khemini as evil, they’re likely an Islamophobe, gender reducionist, or Iranian.
Ok, so you’re just a hypocrite
That’s literally what got me called a tankie!
What got you called a tankie was downplaying putin in regards to Netanyahu and Trump. Similar but people on here are very sensitive to people downplaying putin because there are people on this website who think putin is the lesser evil in the Ukraine war.
And I still don’t see where this position has anything to do with being left of anyone.
So what about the people downplaying Trump and Netanyahu in regards to Putin? Are they tankies?
And there are people who think Israel and the US are the lesser evil in the middle east. Far more of them. And some of them are mods. Why aren’t people sensitive about that?
You only have to scroll up to see a literal genocide denier getting upvoted.
Because the position that Gazan lives are worth as much as Ukrainian is to the left of most people here
Wrong.
Only wrong if you think white lives are more valuable than non-white lives
Oh yes. I forgot that ukrainians are black. How silly of me.
Lol. Nice Edit of the post.
They aren’t, that’s my point
No, you’re right. Putin is much worse.
More than 1 million dead in the war.
As bad as the war against Hamas is, it pales in comparison.
Sure, if you believe only whites are human.
Lol. Where did you get that number from?
Oh, you’re a genocide denier and a fascist, never mind.
…wikipedia.org/…/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainia…
Sorry that you had to find out this way that you are biased.
And where did Wikipedia get that number from? Or are one of those people who doesn’t understand how wikipedia works think it’s a source?
You also apparently don’t understand how bias works.
You’re also a genocide denier and a fascist.
If i’m a fascist for pointing out that you are biased towards a genocidal maniac, then what are you? As opposed to me who doesn’t side with tyrants.
No, that’s you.
Except that you do. In fact, you even engage in genocide denial to side with tyrants.
I really think you need to go back and read again and think a little bit. I don’t condone genocide.
I do, however, call out people for being biased and leaving out information on purpose.
Except for Isreal’s genocide in Gaza
You call yourself out?
Yup, there’s that genocide denial.
Lol
Yep, Netanyahu
Hard for a genocide denier like you to ''go numbers". You still haven’t revealed where your numbers come from, by the way.
Answer the question. Is there a genocide in the west bank which ISN’T controlled by Hamas?
All of the sources are listed, I imagined it would be easier for you to have a look att the article rather that wade through a list of various estimates from here. But ok:
wsj.com/…/one-million-are-now-dead-or-injured-in-…
kyivindependent.com/a-very-bloody-war-what-is-the…
france24.com/…/20250217-ukraine-war-death-toll-hu…
reuters.com/…/over-12300-civilians-killed-since-s…
hrmmu-3-year-update.my.canva.site
Just because you don’t consider soldiers as people, doesn’t mean that the rest of us doesn’t. They are likely fed so much misinformation that they might aswell be civilians that have been tricked to fight.
So you’re doubling down on that genocide denial.
Damn, you really are going to a lot of effort to avoid actually saying where the one million number actually comes from. Is it not a credible source?
Interesting that you’re even going so far as to post articles that give numbers an order of magnitude or two lower than what you’re trying to claim. I guess you were hoping no one would actually read them and would just assume that the links backed you up? Probably should have tried not to have the numbers show up even in the link text.
Answer the question. Or could it be that you can’t face the fact that you’ve been lied to?
You haven’t asked any questions, you just call me names without thinking.
Is there a genocide in the west bank which ISN’T controlled by Hamas?
That implies Hamas could stop the Gazan genocide and they absolutely cannot. Even if they gave in to all Israeli demands, the genocide would continue.
So you remove my comment but leave theirs? Are you not even going to pretend to be impartial?
I also didn’t realise genocide denial was allowed here
They aren’t denying the genocide, they are failing to recognize who is complicit, you’re already on thin ice with me for multiple false reports, they are not.
No, Putin owns Trump. Everything Trump does is literally at Putin’s request. Same with Bukele. Assad. And yeah, possibly Israel/Netanyahu, it’s hard to know how much they know. Because BRICS united those countries to do this to weaken USD globally and thus US control. And each country that helped BRICS will get a military objective from the west, and Iran wants Israel apparently (it’s likely Saudi Arabia is a secret member who will get part of Israel along w maybe Egypt). Russia wants everything the arctic ocean touches. China wants Taiwan, the South China Sea, and probably Australia (gold). I habe write ups in my history about it with links proving Trump/Russia connection. Iran and Russia worked together to get Trump elected in 2024:
home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766
Bibi got Trump elected same way as Iran Contra hostage situation, by holding the hostages against Biden by proxy so he couldn’t resolve the Gaza issues. It’s likely Epstein worked for Maxwell whose father worked to fly Jewish kids in bad situations from Europe to Israel. I have a link in my posts from a news article at the time.
So both Russia and Israel have blackmail on Trump, and it seems likely Russia has something on Netanyahu to get him to betray his own people like this. Or maybe he just wants money and power. Idk.
But they are seemingly pawns of BRICS/Russia/China, selling out their own people for greed. My guess is that China will come out ahead. And before you give me a bunch of rich authoritarian propaganda about actually China is great, remember the Uyghers? They had gold. The first genocides of BRICS (called “gold BRICS” in China) were over minority groups that lived on land with gold. And the reason they live there, is bc land that has gold is usually volcanic and dangerous, and usually has severe mercury contamination from the 1800s practices of gold mining. So they coralled these people off to deadly shitholes, and now they are genociding them and enslaving us and moving us to random countries so we can’t escape and live outside to make us work those deadly shitholes so they can be entombed in liquid gold while climate change eats us. Sorry, I mean, their bunkers and space ships to save them from bombs will totally work and the Titanic sub wasnt a testament to the wealthy’s ignorance of science and deadly hubris
www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adh2458
Ok, but I’m talking about the real world, not the fevered conspiracy theory world of Qanoners painted blue.
I gave reputable sources.
I mean, Putin is a pretty big sponsor of mayhem, corruption and autocracy in nations of all average skin tone.
Sure, but less than Trump or Netanyahu
You’re from .ml, so we might not be working from the same facts, but I’d put Putin ahead of Trump at the moment for sure. Trump has more long term evil potential basically just because he’s in a very vulnerable but powerful country.
Gaza vs. Ukraine is the obvious comparison for Netanyahu, and it probably depends on how you measure it. I’d expect there’s more actual deaths in Ukraine, but it’s a more populous country, they’re more likely to be military casualties and the non-lethal misery dealt is much lower. It’s even harder to factor in Russian operations in Africa and the rest of the world, although they’re a significant source of brutality as well.
Great man theory nonsense. Was Netanyahu in power during the Sabra and Shatila massacre? During the Nakba? During the June 1967 war? Was Trump president when the US invaded Iraq? Was he president when the US sent billions of dollars in military aid to Israel to commit their genocide with? It’s the countries, not the leaders. They’re just the personification of a system. You could shoot each of these men in the head today, and nothing would change.
There are actually some differences here. After the Cold War ended Israel was making some peace deals. The Oslo Accords(1993 and 1995) and a deal with Jordan 1994 were big parts of that. In 1996 Netanyahu came to power and basically all of that stopped. There was a bit with Ariel Sharon being in power, when Israel gave up its settlement in the Gaza strip. Netanyahu was not prime minister all the time, but he was in government and more often then not in position to sabotage that. The only time he failed was Ariel Sharon ordering to close the Jewish settlements in Gaza. He is really the main reason there is no somewhat working two state solution today.
Trump currently sents billions of aid to Israel to commit genocide AND fight a war within Iran. So yes he is that president. Biden at least used the US military to send some food to Gaza, Trump stopped that.
Khamenei is the leader of Iran since 1989. He is hardly innocent of supporting the Assad clan, destroying democracy in Lebanon by supporting Hezbollah, massive war crimes in Sudan happening right now, with the biggest starvation crisis in the world, although not as hard as Gaza, the huge civil war in Yemen and so forth. Keep in mind that before the Iranian revolution Israel and Iran were very close allies. They even developed fighter jets together. Point is that both countries are not natural enemies.
At least two of those men have formed their respective countries and systems for decades. If you killed Netanyahu today, then it would mean a new election and likely a win for the liberals, which is usually good news for Palastinians. If you killed Khamenei today, then there is a pretty good chance, that the infighting would end the Islamic Republic. Iran has had some massive protests in the last couple years. If you kill Trump, then the Vance ends up president and he lacks the charisma of Trump and is not even directly elected.
Do you really think Trump’s supporters would suddenly support Democrats, and, do you really think a power vacuum in Iran would make the Middle East more peaceful?
Similarly, don’t skip over the part where the Oslo process ended when Netanyahu’s current cabinet had Rabin assassinated. Natanyahu is a linchpin, but the right exists independent of him, and the left is still pretty anti-Palestinian.
Never said that Trump supporters would switch sites. I said that Vance is less popular, which means less likely to get as many people to activly vote for him.
A power vacuum in Iran would have a good chance of ending the civil war in Sudan. So I believe the odds are pretty good,especially if it is a short one.
Every Iraeli and Palestinian has experienced violence from the other site. Clearly Israel is occupying the West Bank and not the other was around, but it would be foolish of me to presume that the Israeli left loves Palestinians. Thankfully they do not need to, but just need to make a deal. Without shooting at each other relations will improve. Obviously the right is independent of Natanyahu, but current polls still show them loosing power.
I’ll admit my knowledge of Sudan is fuzzy. It’s a huge catastrophe, but it just seems unlikely to spread the way the other crises can. Doesn’t the UAE have a big hand in it too?
I’m skeptical inspiring middle-of-the-road voters is really that important anymore in the US. Most likely, future elections will not be fully free and fair.
Trump, definitely. He’s at least too dumb to be evil effectively, I shudder to think where Vance would take things if he decides to keep the MAGA line going.
Netanyahu dying would lead to a collapse of his government and a more moderate faction coming to power and probably ending the wars… for now.
I know less about the internal politics of Iran, although this war they didn’t start obviously wouldn’t end.
There is broad support in Israeli society for the ongoing genocide in Gaza. There are polls showing as much (I think one of them showed a rate of 82%). This is not one man’s whim, this is not the will of some small shady elite, this is a consequence of material conditions in Israel. If you don’t take those away, some other face will lead the charge.
Plus I’m not convinced that an assassination of Netanyahu would lead to a different party taking charge. I can’t imagine their system of governance is set up this way. But this is entirely beside the point. The point is that one man’s death doesn’t change history. The allies didn’t win WWII because Hitler killed himself, Hitler killed himself because the allies won WWII.
I did say “for now”.
I’m guessing “genocide” wasn’t in the wording of the poll question, but a two-state solution is just as fringe as a one state solution at this point. The vibe of the average Israeli is that they want Palestinians gone and don’t want to talk or even think about how.
How much do you know about the system?
It’s a party list parliament with a pretty high degree of political fragmentation, comparable to the Netherlands. Netanyahu started with a slim majority propped up by the far-right parties, and his party has polled poorly since they let Oct 7 happen. Security was his main thing. He’s globally famous for his skill holding together coalitions, which he couldn’t do while dead, and it’s pretty typical to hold snap elections after something like that anyway. His successor also wouldn’t need to worry about being thrown in jail for corruption the moment they’re out of office.
Great man theory is indeed dumb, but “leaders don’t change anything even in the short term” is too far in the other direction.
What an insanely stupid article. Israel bombs Iran completely unprovoked. Khamenei and Iran are incredibly responsible and measured in their response. Meanwhile Israel is flailing around like a wild bully with their American big brother behind its back, threatening Iran that they are not allowed to strike back
And the liberals from TheGuardian write a both sides article about it as if all parties share blame.
The Ayatollah regime that has been building and funding terrorist proxies for years, that has a bloody countdown timer for the destruction of Israel in the middle it Tehran? The same regime who is, pretty obviously, rushing toward military nuclear capabilities in order to fulfill said countdown? You’re saying that they haven’t provoked Israel?
And you really think that firing drones and ballistic missiles at civilian populations is a measured response?
Fuck off with that bullshit.
Cool whataboutisms. Yes, Iran is shitty. No, Israel didn’t have to do this. Yes, it’s a great strategy to regain support for the Likud coalition government and not go to prison for corruption.
Pardon, which county are we talking about here?
Iran at least has the excuse that their missiles can’t aim that well.
If Israel has a right to defend itself, what does (still awful government of) Iran have?
I guess blaming Netanyahu and Trump only would have lead to too much blowback. The Guardian really doesn’t seem like it’s the same anymore.
you know it’s bad when western MSM is both-siding it
And Putin (72), and Xi Jing Ping (72)