Tattorack@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 08:22
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Please not another one…
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 03:26
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If it wasn’t for everyone dying and the schools closing another lockdown wouldn’t bother me much. Work from home for the most part, only drive in when I have to, no traffic when I do, see a lot more wildlife in my city, wear a mask so I don’t have to smell stuff and people, no one hugging me besides my family.
Luftruessel@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 08:23
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Ah shit, here we go again
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social
on 15 Jun 2024 08:31
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We had one pandemic, yes…
But what about second pandemic?
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 10:26
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Not until you finish the first one!
jupyter_rain@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 Jun 2024 10:36
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Alternative: “But we already have pandemic at home”.
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 08:46
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We turned the meat industry into a disease factory because that’s more efficient, make sure the financial system incentives everybody in the industry to shut up and remain uncooperative with investigations and measures, rolled out the ads for people to travel all around the world so things can spread and have such an unhealthy political climate that even mentioning a risk in drinking raw milk drives up the sale of raw milk. What’s the worst that can happen, right?
Meat industry + destruction of natural habitats forcing wild animals into contact with domesticated animals or directly with humans + general climate change making the spread of diseases more easy…
The rate and intensity of pandemics is increasing and we are doing barely anything to address the root causes. Because that would mean to reduce some individuals profits and make some small adjustments to our consumption routines, while restoring nature that is sustaining us. And that is out of the question.
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 12:14
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The rate and intensity of pandemics is increasing
And as usual, this was predicted, warned about, is happening and stubbornly ignored. One of those many cans kicked down the road until the pile is too big to kick and starts to blocks the road.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 03:20
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The rate and intensity of pandemics is increasing
Is it? I really don’t want to sound like I am downplaying this but is it increasing? People would get shit like polio and smallpox. We have had three pandemics in my life and two of them were isolated to 1-3 countries. Ebola and Sars.
Polio and smallpox were endemic. They were pretty bad, but as slowly evolving diseases once we got the vaccines down, we got them under control. Pandemics are new diseases w.o. efficient resistance / medical treatments or prevention
Russian and US propagandists are already on the loose, preparing to get people in the target countries not to follow practices like WFO or wearing masks in croweded places.
itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com
on 15 Jun 2024 09:46
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Pandemic 2: Electric Bird Flu Boogaloo
ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Jun 2024 13:02
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Flu-galoo
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 18:33
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shortwavesurfer@monero.town
on 15 Jun 2024 10:44
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Plandemic 2 here we come. Never let a good opportunity to impose tyranny go to waste.
Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 22:20
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Can I have your vaccine, since you don’t want it? Also, can you please let your friends know that Bill Gates made this one too? I think it has 6G trackers in it this time.
Etterra@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 10:44
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Oh boy, time to risk us all again. At least it’ll help cull the antivaxers out a little.
pixxelkick@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 13:20
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My understanding is risk is low on this one as we already have a prepared and tested vaccine, and we have a known medicative treatment.
So it’d suck if it spreads but we at least have the tools to fight it on hand.
Blum0108@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 13:42
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Unless a large subset or the population would inexplicably refuse to get vaccinated. 🤷
Chainweasel@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 17:32
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Vaccines don’t work when 1/2 the population refuses to take it.
rigatti@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 19:21
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They sure put a damper on the spread of COVID, even with a bunch of idiots refusing to take them.
Chainweasel@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 19:35
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Covid had a ~5% mortality rate at the peak, H5N1 has a mortality rate of ~56%, a damper won’t be enough
Rawrx3@lazysoci.al
on 15 Jun 2024 20:11
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So the ignoreant will perish and the rest of us will pick up after them. Kinda sounds like climate change tbh.
Chainweasel@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 20:13
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That’s unfortunately not how it works.
The unvaccinated people become mutation factories and create new variants that we don’t have a vaccine for yet, that’s why you need a booster every year.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 03:23
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I don’t really see the issue with getting a booster every year provided the government doesn’t fuck it up. I am already pretty much having to get a Covid and Flu each year this will just be another.
Something makes me think people would be more willing to take vaccines when facing down a life or death coin flip. At that point their “concerns” over long term effects don’t matter as much.
Chainweasel@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 23:22
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They were facing life or death and they chose horse dewormer…
slackassassin@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Jun 2024 01:32
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Yes, they do, wtf. It just may not achieve herd immunity.
Chainweasel@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 01:49
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The unvaccinated people become mutation factories and create new variants that we don’t have a vaccine for yet, that’s why you need a booster every year.
If you’re vaccinated and surrounded by unvaccinated people. You may as well be unvaccinated.
slackassassin@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Jun 2024 01:56
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If you’re vaccinated and surrounded by unvaccinated people. You may as well be unvaccinated.
This is exactly what anti-vax people say. Vaccination helps, regardless.
Chainweasel@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 20:24
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Are you retarded?
Anti-vax people depend on heard immunity bullshit. My argument is that not enough people are getting vaccinated and you think that means I’m Anti-vax?
Jesus Christ I’m glad stupid isn’t contagious.
Get fucked asswipe.
slackassassin@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 2024 00:37
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Getting vaccinated helps and is advisable, regardless of whether a mutation occurs in addition to the target strain.
And yes, anti-vax people say it doesn’t matter if you get vaccinated, just like you. But thanks for proving yourself to be as vapid as them, too.
Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 22:16
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I feel dirty admitting this, but this time I’m on the side of disinformation. More lives will be saved by saving our nation from the fascists. This time, I won’t be trying to talk any sense into them. I want them to ignore the science and distrust medicine.
Our nation’s most vulnerable groups as well as our planet’s normal (non-conservative) people are on the verge of being permanently oppressed and/or exterminated. If stepping aside and allowing the oppressors to kill themselves will prevent that outcome, then we need to grow a spine and do exactly that. Let’s encourage them to shrink their voting base while voting is still relevant.
There are people today dealing with serious complications of COVID even years later who were infected by stupid people doing stupid selfish things.
Everyone suffers if morons become willing petri dishes.
Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 01:57
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The thing about fascists is, they will kill and oppress more of us than a poorly managed disease. And it will be permanent.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 03:17
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I thought human to human transfer was very rare for this one.
kromem@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 03:50
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So far. But the thing with viruses is they are susceptible to mutations.
We’re already seeing it jump across several mammalian lines. Probably only a matter of time.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 03:54
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Well the jokes on the virus since global warming is going to take me out before that happens.
Cybermonk_Taiji@r.nf
on 16 Jun 2024 14:13
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Then it could never be a pandemic
Treczoks@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 2024 23:04
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Just wait until enough MAGA heads have drunk raw milk out of pure spite and turn the bird flu into the MAGA Malady pandemic.
The first pandemic caused primarily by human stupidity…
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 03:16
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The first pandemic caused primarily by human stupidity…
I was going to bring up the killing of cats right before the Black Plague of the 14th century but some searching online showed me that most historians think it was a factor but not the major factor.
So yeah I got nothing you might be right.
Treczoks@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 09:33
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Yep. Cats and the Black Plague. Actually, they were a complicating factor for some. The Christians killed (primarily black) cats, as they deemed them helpers of the devil and therefor complicit in spreading the plague. The Jews, on the other side, kept cats to keep house and storage vermin-free. So the Christians thought the Jews were in league with the devil, so they killed them, too - at least that was one of the “reasons” for pogromes. And it is also a reason why there are way less black cats in Europe than colored ones. It is a crazy topic…
But even if they had not killed those cats, the Black Death would have come. Maybe it would have spread a tad slower, but not much.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 2024 19:53
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Bad things are happening -> a minority caused it. All we have to is eliminate the minority and double down on ideas that failed us.
Guess humans haven’t changed much. On an unrelated note a friend of mine yesterday decided to tell me about the vast conspiracy of trans people to hurt girls and I am reconsidering our relationship.
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Please not another one…
If it wasn’t for everyone dying and the schools closing another lockdown wouldn’t bother me much. Work from home for the most part, only drive in when I have to, no traffic when I do, see a lot more wildlife in my city, wear a mask so I don’t have to smell stuff and people, no one hugging me besides my family.
Not until you finish the first one!
Alternative: “But we already have pandemic at home”.
We turned the meat industry into a disease factory because that’s more efficient, make sure the financial system incentives everybody in the industry to shut up and remain uncooperative with investigations and measures, rolled out the ads for people to travel all around the world so things can spread and have such an unhealthy political climate that even mentioning a risk in drinking raw milk drives up the sale of raw milk. What’s the worst that can happen, right?
H5N1. High five flu. No 1 left alive
Meat industry + destruction of natural habitats forcing wild animals into contact with domesticated animals or directly with humans + general climate change making the spread of diseases more easy…
The rate and intensity of pandemics is increasing and we are doing barely anything to address the root causes. Because that would mean to reduce some individuals profits and make some small adjustments to our consumption routines, while restoring nature that is sustaining us. And that is out of the question.
And as usual, this was predicted, warned about, is happening and stubbornly ignored. One of those many cans kicked down the road until the pile is too big to kick and starts to blocks the road.
Is it? I really don’t want to sound like I am downplaying this but is it increasing? People would get shit like polio and smallpox. We have had three pandemics in my life and two of them were isolated to 1-3 countries. Ebola and Sars.
pandemic != endemic.
Polio and smallpox were endemic. They were pretty bad, but as slowly evolving diseases once we got the vaccines down, we got them under control. Pandemics are new diseases w.o. efficient resistance / medical treatments or prevention
Well, surely we'll take the news of an incoming infectious disease with enormous spreading potential seriously this time(!)
Russian and US propagandists are already on the loose, preparing to get people in the target countries not to follow practices like WFO or wearing masks in croweded places.
Pandemic 2: Electric Bird Flu Boogaloo
Flu-galoo
Sponsored by Red Bull?
Plandemic 2 here we come. Never let a good opportunity to impose tyranny go to waste.
Can I have your vaccine, since you don’t want it? Also, can you please let your friends know that Bill Gates made this one too? I think it has 6G trackers in it this time.
Oh boy, time to risk us all again. At least it’ll help cull the antivaxers out a little.
My understanding is risk is low on this one as we already have a prepared and tested vaccine, and we have a known medicative treatment.
So it’d suck if it spreads but we at least have the tools to fight it on hand.
Unless a large subset or the population would inexplicably refuse to get vaccinated. 🤷
Oh come on, that would never happen!
Vaccines don’t work when 1/2 the population refuses to take it.
They sure put a damper on the spread of COVID, even with a bunch of idiots refusing to take them.
Covid had a ~5% mortality rate at the peak, H5N1 has a mortality rate of ~56%, a damper won’t be enough
So the ignoreant will perish and the rest of us will pick up after them. Kinda sounds like climate change tbh.
That’s unfortunately not how it works.
The unvaccinated people become mutation factories and create new variants that we don’t have a vaccine for yet, that’s why you need a booster every year.
I don’t really see the issue with getting a booster every year provided the government doesn’t fuck it up. I am already pretty much having to get a Covid and Flu each year this will just be another.
Something makes me think people would be more willing to take vaccines when facing down a life or death coin flip. At that point their “concerns” over long term effects don’t matter as much.
They were facing life or death and they chose horse dewormer…
Yes, they do, wtf. It just may not achieve herd immunity.
The unvaccinated people become mutation factories and create new variants that we don’t have a vaccine for yet, that’s why you need a booster every year.
If you’re vaccinated and surrounded by unvaccinated people. You may as well be unvaccinated.
This is exactly what anti-vax people say. Vaccination helps, regardless.
Are you retarded?
Anti-vax people depend on heard immunity bullshit. My argument is that not enough people are getting vaccinated and you think that means I’m Anti-vax?
Jesus Christ I’m glad stupid isn’t contagious.
Get fucked asswipe.
Getting vaccinated helps and is advisable, regardless of whether a mutation occurs in addition to the target strain.
And yes, anti-vax people say it doesn’t matter if you get vaccinated, just like you. But thanks for proving yourself to be as vapid as them, too.
I feel dirty admitting this, but this time I’m on the side of disinformation. More lives will be saved by saving our nation from the fascists. This time, I won’t be trying to talk any sense into them. I want them to ignore the science and distrust medicine.
Our nation’s most vulnerable groups as well as our planet’s normal (non-conservative) people are on the verge of being permanently oppressed and/or exterminated. If stepping aside and allowing the oppressors to kill themselves will prevent that outcome, then we need to grow a spine and do exactly that. Let’s encourage them to shrink their voting base while voting is still relevant.
The thing about disease is that it spreads.
There are people today dealing with serious complications of COVID even years later who were infected by stupid people doing stupid selfish things.
Everyone suffers if morons become willing petri dishes.
The thing about fascists is, they will kill and oppress more of us than a poorly managed disease. And it will be permanent.
I thought human to human transfer was very rare for this one.
So far. But the thing with viruses is they are susceptible to mutations.
We’re already seeing it jump across several mammalian lines. Probably only a matter of time.
Well the jokes on the virus since global warming is going to take me out before that happens.
Then it could never be a pandemic
Just wait until enough MAGA heads have drunk raw milk out of pure spite and turn the bird flu into the MAGA Malady pandemic.
The first pandemic caused primarily by human stupidity…
I was going to bring up the killing of cats right before the Black Plague of the 14th century but some searching online showed me that most historians think it was a factor but not the major factor.
So yeah I got nothing you might be right.
Yep. Cats and the Black Plague. Actually, they were a complicating factor for some. The Christians killed (primarily black) cats, as they deemed them helpers of the devil and therefor complicit in spreading the plague. The Jews, on the other side, kept cats to keep house and storage vermin-free. So the Christians thought the Jews were in league with the devil, so they killed them, too - at least that was one of the “reasons” for pogromes. And it is also a reason why there are way less black cats in Europe than colored ones. It is a crazy topic…
But even if they had not killed those cats, the Black Death would have come. Maybe it would have spread a tad slower, but not much.
Bad things are happening -> a minority caused it. All we have to is eliminate the minority and double down on ideas that failed us.
Guess humans haven’t changed much. On an unrelated note a friend of mine yesterday decided to tell me about the vast conspiracy of trans people to hurt girls and I am reconsidering our relationship.
“experts warn of potential” is journalist speak for “I didn’t actually read the paper”
Well, if this was 2018 or lower, I’d not be super worried. Post 2020 though…this is terrifying…