Finland to fine parents if their underage child drives an e-scooter (yle.fi)
from Pro@programming.dev to world@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 11:28
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Buffalox@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 11:44 next collapse

The first change to the law sets a minimum age for operating an e-scooter at 15.

I suppose that’s sensible, we have the same age limit for driving a moped.

RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 13:00 collapse

personally I think this needs to be enforced in the US too because a lot of stupid ass kids end up in traffic nearly getting hit by cars without a helmet on on those E scooters cuz they’re dumb

Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 15:12 collapse

True, they shouldn’t be allowed on the roads, but if you required an age limit of 15 for e-scooters why not e-bikes as well?

And then if you need an age limit for e-bikes why not regular bikes?

AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 15:57 next collapse

Regular bikes don’t have a motor. E-bikes and e-scooters do have a motor. Some regulation on e-bikes may be needed, but regular bikes have been regulated as much as is needed. Maybe a helmet law, but even that seems unnecessary.

catloaf@lemm.ee on 14 Jun 16:12 collapse

So what? They’re still governed to similar speeds. I have a regular bike and e-scooter, and I pass and get passed by people on both all the time.

AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 16:29 collapse

Most people cannot ride a bike at anywhere close to the speeds that an e-bike can hit. I pass professional cycling teams daily on my e-bike because I can do 20mph. The average professional cyclist seems to struggle to maintain 15+mph. I only get passed by a normal bicycle maybe once every few months, and those guys and gals have gastrocnemius’ that are about as big as my waist. My current e-bike has just under 2500 miles on the odo, my previous one blew up at just over 11,000 miles. Oh, and technically both e-bikes could do 25 mph, that just wears out the motor in less than 1000 miles.

Dhs92@programming.dev on 14 Jun 16:38 collapse

Because a kid on a regular bike can’t easily go from 0-30mph within a few seconds

hydroptic@sopuli.xyz on 14 Jun 11:44 next collapse

Good luck enforcing that shit

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 11:49 next collapse

IDK what country you are from? But most European countries already enforce this for other types of motorized small transport like mopeds. Here (Denmark) a moped requires a license.
We also have speed restrictions on e-bikes, here it’s 25 km/h that is also enforced.

I was never into it, but my brother has many stories of escaping police on his moped that could go twice as fast as the legal limit! 😋

hydroptic@sopuli.xyz on 14 Jun 12:01 collapse

Finland; our police force is already really overextended and generally doesn’t give a shit about small stuff like this.

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 12:20 collapse

It’s the same thing here, but still if there’s an accident, the parents will be fined and the scooter confiscated.
There are also periods that are less hectic than others, and then police will go for the lesser stuff.
Most police forces also have systems, where they allocate time to focus on things that are not everyday priority.

My guess is that Finish police is as well organized as most other European countries.
Obviously this isn’t a high priority, but that doesn’t mean the police will just let it pass if they spot a blatant violation.

hydroptic@sopuli.xyz on 14 Jun 14:43 collapse

if there’s an accident, the parents will be fined and the scooter confiscated.

Yeah, but that’s post hoc enforcement

al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com on 14 Jun 12:05 next collapse

Yes how would the police ever do their job. This right here is the excuse why they shouldn’t have a budget for armored vehicles tactical body armor and assault rifles. They can’t even enforce a scooter ticket. Acab.

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FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 13:02 next collapse

Oh, to live in a country where THIS is the most pressing legislative priority.

I’m jealous.

rabber@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 13:11 collapse

It’s basically impossible to find a job in Finland right now if that makes you feel any better

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 13:12 collapse

Oof.

Doesn’t Finland have UBI though? They’ve also basically solved homelessness.

rabber@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 13:15 next collapse

Yeah there’s support. But Finlands economy is really stagnant right now. Also they border Russia. And the country is politically swinging to the right like most places today

The grass is always greener lol

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 13:17 next collapse

Fair points.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, just that unemployment means something very different in more extreme capitalist countries. :)

rabber@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 13:22 collapse

Oh yeah I’d rather be Finnish than American right now haha

Chocrates@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 13:42 collapse

How are you and your fellow Finns with expats? I have dreamed of learning Finnish and trying to get a visa

rabber@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 13:43 next collapse

I’m not Finnish but I tried to move there a few years back. Finland is sadly quite xenophobic.

Chocrates@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 14:43 collapse

I think all the Nordic states are hard to get in to as well. Oh well.

rabber@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 16:24 collapse

Yeah my life dream is to live in Iceland but short of marrying someone there it’s probably never happening

Miaou@jlai.lu on 14 Jun 17:14 collapse

Expats? You mean immigrants?

Chocrates@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 17:20 collapse

They both kind of mean the same thing

MITM0@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 17:26 collapse

No, Expats is a made-up word.

Tonava@sopuli.xyz on 14 Jun 18:50 collapse

All words are made-up, that’s how they work! /j

MITM0@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 19:34 collapse

Made up as in a fake word with no real weight, kinda like rizz or skibidi

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 14 Jun 16:13 next collapse

All really cold countries have solved homelessness…

rabber@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 18:38 collapse

Come to Canada lmao

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FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 17:45 next collapse

You are objectively wrong.

They have solved homelessness, minus approximately 1,000 willfully homeless people. (Though I like to think of them as Nomads.)

MITM0@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 19:33 collapse

Suuuuuuure, which can be taken away at a moments notice, like when conscripting

rabber@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 18:39 collapse

Finland has unconditional housing lol

MITM0@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 19:33 collapse

& it also has conscription

rabber@lemmy.ca on 14 Jun 20:30 next collapse

The only thing I disagree with there is they force you to cut your hair lol

Guess how much gun violence there is in Finland thanks to mandatory basic training

MITM0@lemmy.world on 15 Jun 05:52 collapse

Gun control can do that

JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz on 15 Jun 01:01 collapse

Us sharing a 1000+ km long border with russia might have something to do with that.

And even then, military service isn’t actually required, you can do a siviilipalvelus (lit. “Civilian service”) instead.

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venusaur@lemmy.world on 14 Jun 14:20 next collapse

Love to see legal responsibility for children. Need more of it.

MetalMachine@feddit.nl on 14 Jun 17:20 collapse

That’s dumb

tal@lemmy.today on 15 Jun 03:31 collapse

I mean, if they fine the kid, realistically the parent is probably paying it anyway.