Ukrainian military analyst Oleksandr Kovalenko commented that he believes the Volnorez system’s capability to be overstated, describing it as practically useless. He argues that it has been deployed on the battlefield for a year without significantly impacting on the success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine’s (AFU) kamikaze drone attacks.
I know nothing about this guy's credentials, but this was my first thought. I have seen so many tanks getting destroyed by drones. Are these systems not getting deployed or do they not work?
Probably a bit of both. I’m sure Russia has been overstating how many operational systems they have. “Appear strong when you are weak”, and all that. But claims and appearances only go so far.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 2024 16:54
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It would not surprise me if this is mostly a placebo to calm the nerves of the tank crew.
Presumably they don't post the ones where it works and the drone crashes
I suspect it is useless just because of the pace of technological development on the Ukraine side vs. the Russian side, but just the existence of some videos where the EW isn't working doesn't mean it's not working.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 2024 15:58
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Look at that, a fantastic find! Even if Sudzha is retaken, the knowledge of Russian anti-drone tech is now revealed. And it’s so stupid. Like, is Russia undergoing an active internal rebellion to help make things worse? Because it’s hard to imagine any effort being so constantly countered - and so effectively!
BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 2024 17:20
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This system is considered one of the most advanced and secretive in Russia’s defense arsenal. It works by emitting radio frequency (RF) interference disrupting the control signals between the drone and its operator, forcing it to either land or hover in place until it is brought down, or its battery fails.
Am I reading this wrong, or, are they in fact saying that Russia’s most advanced defensive technology is an rf jammer?
Ordo_Bellatores@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 2024 18:01
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Well compared to wood blocks and chicken wire cages, a simple RF hammer does seem pretty high tech …
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 2024 19:54
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Given the massive distance these drones fly, I think an RF jammer is the best they could come up with.
And it doesn’t appear to be very effective judging by the footage of drone attacks.
Ansis100@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 2024 22:41
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Isn’t an RF jammer basically the only defense against a drone? Apart from shooting it down?
BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 2024 23:32
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Laser bearing attack eagles are pretty standard in most modern warfare.
I didn’t think about that but I’m certain I’ve seen a video of an eagle trained to hunt drones.
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 2024 11:56
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Lol so they stuck a rf target on their tanks…
lemming741@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 2024 17:37
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Give the drone a few directional antennas and have it aim for the jammers
SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 2024 18:16
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Jammers are great, what HARM could they possibly cause
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 2024 00:02
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Cancer. All ruzzians driving these tanks are going to be getting cancer.
0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Aug 2024 02:45
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why would this cause cancer? isn’t it non ionizing radiation?
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 2024 04:56
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Ionization is not the only way RF can affect the body. You can generate plasma at low RF energy that is not ionizing. Yet the plasma is bad for you. So if you can generate plasma in vacuum with non ionizing RF, imagine what it can do to anything it can couple to.
MartianSands@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Aug 2024 11:06
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HARM is a category of weapon which seeks things like radar or jammers. They weren’t suggesting that the jammers are literally harmless.
In unrelated news: the jammers are, in fact, harmless unless you’re making a habit of riding on top of the tank. The radio energy isn’t going to penetrate a significant thickness of conductive material, such as armour plating. Or unless you’re the person being jammed, in which case they’re a different category of harmful
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I was expecting this counter-drone system was destroyed by Ukrainian drones… but this is even better.
I know nothing about this guy's credentials, but this was my first thought. I have seen so many tanks getting destroyed by drones. Are these systems not getting deployed or do they not work?
Probably a bit of both. I’m sure Russia has been overstating how many operational systems they have. “Appear strong when you are weak”, and all that. But claims and appearances only go so far.
It would not surprise me if this is mostly a placebo to calm the nerves of the tank crew.
One tank has the real one. The rest are spray painted kitchenware
Shhh! That’s the secret!!
Presumably they don't post the ones where it works and the drone crashes
I suspect it is useless just because of the pace of technological development on the Ukraine side vs. the Russian side, but just the existence of some videos where the EW isn't working doesn't mean it's not working.
Look at that, a fantastic find! Even if Sudzha is retaken, the knowledge of Russian anti-drone tech is now revealed. And it’s so stupid. Like, is Russia undergoing an active internal rebellion to help make things worse? Because it’s hard to imagine any effort being so constantly countered - and so effectively!
Am I reading this wrong, or, are they in fact saying that Russia’s most advanced defensive technology is an rf jammer?
Well compared to wood blocks and chicken wire cages, a simple RF hammer does seem pretty high tech …
Given the massive distance these drones fly, I think an RF jammer is the best they could come up with.
And it doesn’t appear to be very effective judging by the footage of drone attacks.
Isn’t an RF jammer basically the only defense against a drone? Apart from shooting it down?
Laser bearing attack eagles are pretty standard in most modern warfare.
I didn’t think about that but I’m certain I’ve seen a video of an eagle trained to hunt drones.
Lol so they stuck a rf target on their tanks…
Give the drone a few directional antennas and have it aim for the jammers
Jammers are great, what HARM could they possibly cause
Cancer. All ruzzians driving these tanks are going to be getting cancer.
why would this cause cancer? isn’t it non ionizing radiation?
Ionization is not the only way RF can affect the body. You can generate plasma at low RF energy that is not ionizing. Yet the plasma is bad for you. So if you can generate plasma in vacuum with non ionizing RF, imagine what it can do to anything it can couple to.
HARM is a category of weapon which seeks things like radar or jammers. They weren’t suggesting that the jammers are literally harmless.
In unrelated news: the jammers are, in fact, harmless unless you’re making a habit of riding on top of the tank. The radio energy isn’t going to penetrate a significant thickness of conductive material, such as armour plating. Or unless you’re the person being jammed, in which case they’re a different category of harmful
Wouldn’t you not want to tell them you have one so that they keep wasting energy and manpower thinking it works?
Or you tell them you have it and they immediately stop using it, even before you crack how it works.
Sounds like it doesn’t really work though.